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WTC7 Collapse to be Discussed by Experts on The View
This was posted on Rosie's Blog tonight:
http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/
Posted by ro on May 14th at 10:39pm in ask ro
Evie writes:
Dear Ro, I would love to see a show with experts on both sides to discuss WTC7.Silly to always talk about it but never realy pursue the truth once and for all, don’t you think? Please?the show has been booked
Update from prisonplanet.com:
We have now come to understand that prominent 9/11 film makers and other activists within the movement are scheduled to appear on The View in upcoming weeks, as well as debunkers like Popular Mechanics, but that the two camps will appear on separate shows and not engage in a debate of any kind.
Expect a week long orgy of ad hominem attack pieces from Neo-Con attack dogs like O'Reilly, Hannity and the rest of the usual suspects.
http://tv.netscape.com/story/2007/05/15/wtc7-collapse-to-be-discussed-by...
HOLY S**T !
I would have lost money betting that would NEVER happen!
AMERICA THANKS YOU ROSIE !
Lets just hope and prey it's
Lets just hope and prey it's a legit discussion and they get Steven Jones along with a structural engineer.
I would get David Ray Griffin on the show with Steven Jones
David Ray Griffin is a "must" participant on "The View". Especially considering he has just written a book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" that rips the Popular Mechanics' and other 9/11 OCT suppositions to shreds. DRG and Steven Jones would be a great 9/11 Truth team.
"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey
It's going to be
Steven Jones and Willy Rodriguez on one show, and then PM on another.
DRG would be PERFECT to have on after PM gets to offer their lies, having just written a book about it.
P.S. I hope they bring on James Miegs from Pop Mech when or if that show runs.. Rosie would trounce him in a debate.
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Agreed... DRG needs to be on the View
It is too bad that this will not be in a debate format between representatives from Popular Mechanics and DRG/Steven Jones. DRG would eat them for breakfast. Rosie could also have his new book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" available as a free handout for their audience. Better yet, give away DRG's other books including "The New Pearl Harbor", "Omissions and Distortions" along with the Popular Mechanics book and the 9/11 Commission Report. "Read for yourselves, people and come up with your own conclusions with the available evidence at hand. The goal is to gain agreement that a new, truly independent 9/11 investigation is warranted.
"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey
I Will believe it when I see it
There has to be a catch here somewhere, like probably Judy Wood & Fetzer showing up as 9/11 truther representatives and given 3-5 mins total time all the while being attacked by that little Reich wing lunatic Elizabeth, meanwhile the next day every lying ass SOB paid shill gets 25 mins to present their lies.
Lets hope that it is honest, like equal time for all and have Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Ryan and at least one 9/11 family member along with at least one structural engineer Vs whatever lying POS the Treasonous bastards can scrounge up the next day.
I really don't think this is going to happen though, something is fishy.
Experts
In my opinion - Steven Jones is the best representative of the truth. Also - bring someone to represent the family members (preferably someone who filed a request with the NIST)
And if you want to call Jim Meigs of popular mechanics an "expert" then I guess he is an expert of lies. Either way - make sure to bring up Hearst publishing and yellow journalism. (Pop. Mechanics is published by Hearst - the definition of yellow journalism)
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That would be Bob McIlvaine
That would be Bob McIlvaine.
Michael Chertoff
I think I heard something about Michael Chertoff being related to a high up person in Hearst Publishing or Popular Mechanic? Does anyone remember the facts on this? Aha - here it is.
Chertoff's Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece
Chistopher Bollyn for American Free Press | March 7 2005
Dictators like Saddam Hussein have always used nepotism to protect their secrets and maintain control. Like a dictatorship, the inner cabal that directs the actions of the Bush administration uses the same tactics to confuse the public and conceal the truth of 9/11.
Dictators have always employed nepotism, the placing of family members in key positions, for one simple reason: only loyal family members can be trusted with the secrets that keep them in power. For this reason the shameless nepotism of the Bush administration should alarm Americans because it indicates that a dictatorship is encroaching upon the United States.
The Defense Department defines nepotism as the situation when relatives are in the same chain-of-command.
An egregious example of dictatorial-style nepotism occurred when George W. Bush won the White House ? twice ? thanks to the key "swing state" of Florida, where the presidential candidate's younger brother is governor. In 2000 and 2004, against all odds, Florida swung decisively, the Bush way.
With high federal offices being given to the wives, sons and daughters of senior members of the Bush administration, the Hearst Corporation executives that publish Popular Mechanics magazine probably didn't worry about the ethical considerations of hiring a cousin of Michael Chertoff, a former Assistant Attorney General and the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as senior researcher.
But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.
"Conspiracy theories can't stand up to the hard facts," the cover reads. "After an in-depth investigation, PM answers with the truth," it says. But the article fails to provide evidence to support its claims and doesn't answer the key question: What caused the collapses of the twin towers and the 47-story World Trade Center 7?
The Chertoff article goes on to confront the "poisonous claims" of 16 "myths" spun by "extremist" 9/11 researchers like myself with "irrefutable facts," mostly provided by individuals in the employ of the U.S. government.
But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn't respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine's "senior researcher," directly.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist ? the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
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DRG or even alex jones are
DRG or even alex jones are quicker with the facts than steven Jones. Alex might not be that great an idea in that he would scare women, but whoever gets in there has to really be able to regurgitate facts and make the points. Alex can really, really regurgitate. He's a regurgitationista.
considering we have a lot of
considering we have a lot of anti-alex jones types here that comment will likely get voted down but you are right on. say what you will about Alex Jones but even people who cant stand him were forced to admit how well he did on Showbiz Tonight. he stuck to the facts and came off as rational and extremely well informed.
it was literally the most explosive 5 minutes to ever air on CNN Headline News, 1 fact after another in rapid succession. still though, if he was to go on The View i would be worried that he would veer off from 9/11 and go into one of his "pet" issues/theories that he should probably keep to himself and his hardcore fans.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
i always give credit when it is due
AJ has his moments and that is great when he does and no doubt he has brought lots of people into the movement. My problem is when people assume that no one who does what AJ does could POSSIBLY be disinfo. I have a problem with groupthink--it's dangerous as hell when people feel that anything is off limits because that leads to self censorship. If I have to take shit for crapping on some people's favorite truth personalities I am happy to take that hit even if it means I will not be the most popular truther. Not to spin myself into a martyr but there are some issues here that transcend individuals and anyone who can't take the heat doesn't belong in the kitchen. I would rather risk being wrong and offending ten people than risk letting by a single disinfo agent. If I end up being wrong in my speculation so be it. My apologies will be forthcoming and heartfelt and I seriously doubt that my lonely voice is going to turn the world against someone who is legit.
Anyway Chris I take it we've agreed to disagree on this point so I'll stop stalking you now. Actually I do apologize for the comment about you "stalking" me over my criticism of AJ--it was frustration more than fact. I no more want to be the source of groupthik than I want anyone else to so I'm glad there will always be someone to disagree with me on those rare occasions when I'm wrong. :)
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RT, 2 times i typed out
RT, 2 times i typed out these long eloquent responses and 2 times they got scrubbed because this site frequently goes haywire coupled with my shitty computer,haha. so i'll keep this one shorter. of course its possible that Alex Jones is disinfo. i wouldnt deny that, i just happen to think that he isnt. i think that he truly believes the bullshit that he spews(yes he spews some bullshit but i feel the good outweighs the bad with him) and the conclusions that he comes to. despite the fact that i defend him i actually disagree with Jones more than i agree with him. his style hurts his message,he jumps to conclusions that fit his views/theories,he focuses on illegal immigration and "the global warming myth" entirely too much, he pushes his religious views on people and hes a bit too paranoid. just because Alex Jones ignores certain info or comes to certain conclusions doesnt mean im going to ingore those same things and come to those same conclusions. though i know that some will and thats probably part of your point. point taken. criticism is fine, but when you call someone disinfo, to me, you should have specifics. i only "stalked" you because you kept taking vague shots without being specific. i asked you to be specific not because i was trying to draw out a certain answer or get under your skin but because i was genuinely interested. believe it or not RT i respect your opinion. but yes, we'll have to just agree to disagree on this one. and your apology is accepted, just let me apologize for my harsh tone the other day and for questioning your motives. truth is i agree with you MUCH more than i disagree with you. you'd be surprised how many times ive stuck up for you when the usual trolls cry "holocaust denier" and all that other bullshit about you. but tell me RT, you dont think im a victim of groupthink do you? :-)
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Jones and Rodriguez Confirmed?
Jones and Rodriguez will make an excellent combo on the View, but wouldn't it be even more effective for Bill Doyle or Bob McIvaine to join Jones on the show. It is IMPERATIVE that the American public realize the families of the victims are the heart of this movement. The family members are who average Americans will connect with. In light of their recently submitted petition to NIST, Bill Doyle or Bob McIlvaine along with Jones would be perfect, if the show is going to feature a non-expert with an expert.
I don't mean at all to get down on William Rodriguez, he is truly incredible, but perhaps he should consider offering his position to Doyle or McIlvaine.
Coup at Popular Mechanics
I followed the link to this blog entry and began reading the comments. Somebody made a short post there advising Rosie to google "Coup at Popular Mechanics." So I did this- basically,so the story goes, a large portion of the PM staff, including editor in chief Joe Oldham, were ousted and replaced by James Meigs and his gang of OCT-friendly goons in Sept. 2004. Shortly thereafter, the famous debunking article came out.
Google mostly turns up links to an article by one Christopher Bollyn from Rense.com; most other references to "coup at popular mechanics" I found simply seem to link back to this original article. I wonder how much truth there is in it? Can anybody corroborate that there was indeed a purge at PM just in time to start debunking?
If true, this would explain a lot...
Truth
Of course it's true. A similiar and smaller occurrence happened at the NIST before they released the final report.
The NIST situation is troubling, not because of their findings, which are incorrect, but primarily because they are the consumer testing company who were hired to certify the steel in the first place. Back in the sixties, out of all the companies performing tests, NIST was the company selected to test WTC steel. NIST could not possibly be entirely trusted to give us an unbias report today. They might put themselves in jeapordy. It's simple, another testing company should have been given the 9/11 testing job; and on those grounds alone the report should be considered lacking credibility. Regardless, the old NIST told us the original steel was certified to withstand the heat intesity that the WTC fires produced, which the new NIST report estimated the fires at 800 degrees. How? What? The old NIST report certified that the steel would not weaken at 800 degrees. The new NIST report doesn't deny these test results, it simply ignores it. Notice one of the problems with the new NIST report? In one test they estimated the WTC fires at 800 degrees. In another test, seemingly unrelated, they managed to weaken one beam of steel causing a two inch sag. Yet they don't make reference to fact the WTC tempature test does not apply to the experiment which resulted in a sag. They also basically guessed two inches would be enough to cause the collapse of one floor, and totally disregared a formula which would compare the results to a total, unviversal collapse of 110 story collasal steel towers weighing 400,000 tons; they also failed to report their success required about five hours. They managed the entire experiment in a controlled environment ideal for optimum desired results, as well as ignoring the scale of the building and the easily measurable heat dispersment steel produces by conductivity. The NIST report is trash. Popular Mechanics is distorting the results further with a pulicist style spin in some pseudo authoritarian voice - as if. The magazine and everyone associated with it have been left hollow for the rest of their days.
For the real story on NIST, Kevin Ryan's experience working for the company says a lot about the truth:
Kevin R. Ryan Terminated at Underwriters Laboratories
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Kevin-R-Ryan22nov04.htm
Kevin Ryan's personal story: Underwriter Speaks Out On WTC Study
http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_u...
Kevin Ryan debunking NIST...
A NEW STANDARD FOR DECEPTION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=718236659434732032
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Excellent video CattleRustler...
One that always try to recommend, gives excellent insight into the NIST "experts" and the cover-up.
Another good one is Steven Jones recent (14-Apr-2007) presentation in Austin, Texas.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4549750234983943323&q=Steven+Jones
Best wishes
Yep, and
the one you posted is another late and great one as well.
Having also seen Richard Gage's presentation, and hearing his interview with Cosmos, I have no doubt that a grandslam team for the View would be Kevin Ryan, Richard Gage, and if a third is allowed I'd say Steven Jones. That would be a killer team for tv.
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View's Average Audience - 3.4 million !!!
I'd like to know the date this show is booked for and who the guests are... but here's a sample of the potential audience numbers.
O'Donnell brings big ratings to 'The View'
Daytime talk show nabs best-ever November sweeps
"The View" also scored record ratings in the total viewer category, attracting an average aud of 3.4 million viewers -- up 15% vs. the same frame in 2005.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117955333.html?categoryid=14&cs=1
Eh... I'd be more excited if
I agree
I agree, its better to attack w/ facts than speculation (at least perceived speculation).
But it's not a debate
It's not a debate. They are coming on the show on different days.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
I bet my last dollar that the shills made the stipulation that
....there NOT be a debate, and required a separate show to parade their smoke and mirrors.
I hope they have that "275 degree collapsing stove" demonstration, Elizabeth is so keen on.
ROSIE, PLEASE PLAN AHEAD.
Make sure your "experts" are up to the task of debating and answering questions on the fly. Tell them to rehearse!! We want better results than we've had out of other MSM appearances!! The bedunkers will use doublespeak!!! Get your "experts" to study this propagana mumbo-jumbo and be ready to twist words back to the side of truth! Their own doublespeak can backfire and make them look dumb if you are prepared to subvert it. PREPAREDNESS. Proactive approach to the debate, NOT reactive.
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You are the man. You ALWAYS hit the nail on the head. Every F'in time. Good work brotha.
We have to look at this info war the way our enemies see it: as a match-for-match chessgame. If anyone is not familiar with Meria Heller, I'd suggest googling her presentations in Arizona and Chicago, especially Chicago. Her delivery is as sharp as a whip which is exactly what is needed.. I'm sorry to say, many of our spokespeople do not possess this ability to get "right to the point", with the exceptions of David Griffin and Alex Jones, the latter of whom definitely screams too much, and...well, I'm not even so sure about Webster Tarpley anymore after that abysmal appearance on H&C. And now it's being said on the Loose Change forums that Webster is supporting Dennis Kucinich who is seeking to destroy the 2nd Amendment and playing footsy with the 9/11 truth movement, or was...I'm not too sure where that ever went. Of all people, "anti-shadow gov't" Tarpley should be the FIRST one to spot this apparent hypocrisy of supporting a shady democratic candidate who hasn't made one promise to the people he supposedly represents. What is he thinking?
Thanks for the kind words.
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in Kucinich too, but it really doesn't matter that much. The elections will be tampered with, and the office of president only has as much power as the shadow-dwellers allow it. We need to put the idea of some candidate-savior completely out of our heads. Not that we shouldn't be pushing for fair elections and good leaders, but we must realize that is only one small element in this battle. We have much to do to repair and strengthen democracy, and this will demand constant effort from WE THE PEOPLE, most likely for the rest of our lives. We are witnessing the re-emergence of feudalism, adapted to the 21st century and puffed up on steroids. We are facing a global fascist dictatorship. Sounds crazy, I know, but just look at all the trends and all the facts.
Tarpley has done a lot of good, but I wonder about him... He is pushing the global warming and peak oil "hoax" message almost as hard as 9/11 Truth. Cui bono? Oil companies maybe? These are non-issues!! We've have to get off oil for a million reasons!! GW or no GW, peak or no peak!! And then this "Angel is next" business. Cui Bono? BUSH!! Why on earth would he be trying to absolve Bush of guilt?
Marvin B. + Wirk Walker + Securacom, Jeb + PNAC, Jeb + elections, Dubya was conveniently hiding out in his bro's state on 9/11, hijackers were training in FL, Bush clan/bin Laden clan, Carlyle group, Bush Sr. + CFR, Bush Sr. + Regan assassination attempt, Bush Sr. + Kennedy assassination?, Prescott + the Nazis... THEY'RE GUILTY WEBSTER!!!!!!!!!!
Plus, "Angel is next" is a HIGHLY SPECULATIVE piece of evidence. That could mean a thousand different things! We have plenty of solid evidence, why would we want to get sidetracked into heavy speculation? And how did Webster authenticate that statement again?
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Tarpley goes in and out of
Tarpley goes in and out of nutty stuff that nobody knows about. He did that on the infowars thing that c-span covered and it looked bad. He's not fast enough on his feet. Who said up above that there is a female who really gets the facts out quick? That would be perfect if it's true. Housewives would eat this up. Anyone got a link to this lady spitting out the facts? Who is this Meria Heller? The Jersey girls would make people walk on eggshells. View viewers would like them, but they wouldn't want to go "inside job" very much.









bunch of other great
bunch of other great questions and responses on there too:
http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/
nice find!