UPDATE -- Webster Griffin Tarpley booked for Hannity & Colmes TONIGHT
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Webster Griffin Tarpley, author of 9/11: Synthetic Terror is tentatively booked for an appearance on Hannity and Colmes tonight - Wednesday, May 9th, 2007...
9 pm Eastern (8 pm Central)
FOX News - check your local listings.
To talk about John Kerry's WTC7 comments, and various related 9/11 topics.
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John Kerry's WTC7 statement?
Coming on the heels of the LC Final Cut press release this morning, this looks like a pre-emptive strike by Fox to force the presidential candidates to 'pick a side' in the 9/11 truth debate. Why else introduce the Kerry WTC (non)statement. Kerry couldn't have been more wish washy. As was Edwards the other day. Look for Fox to slam Kerry, Rosie, Mark Cuban and the LC guys at length. I just hope Webster gets some good one liners in between Hannity's rants and Combs' gatekeeping.
As with most things done by Fox, this will surely backfire, so fear not fellow truthers. It's too big for ANYBODY to stop now.
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You have a point there.
Edited "statement" to "comments".
Arguably it could be changed to "obfuscation".
As long as Webster
doesn't get caught up in worthless arguments, and sticks in a few eloquent quips along the way, then our purpose will have been served, and we move truth towards the mostly mindless cretins that watch fox.
this is a good thing
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Webster made a lot of points
I think Webster did great.
I appreciated his performance even more after watching a second time. He cogently answered every point they made.
It might be hard for the average couch potato to absorb in 3 minutes, but that's the physical limitations you're up against in this medium.
He avoided some traps they laid for him, like asking who did it, they would have gone ape if he had named names. Instead he said the same people who brought you the Gulf of Tonkin. Good answer.
He also put paid to Hannity's demagogic rhetoric about the memory of the families by - calling a spade a spade and saying that's a "demagogic argument."
He answered the question about motive perfectly - the war of civilizations.
But I'd be glad to compare notes with other 911 Truth TV episodes on H&C or MSMTV if somebody thinks any other of our spokesmen have done better.
Kevin Barrett on Fox? That was pretty good, he got some good licks in, but maybe Tarpley got more facts across.
Fetzer? I guess Griffin hasn't been on Fox yet.
Maybe somebody can run a video reply to Webster's segment on youtube and we can compare notes and vote on the best one....
Oh and yes, they did show a brief clip of the WTC collapse.
Go, Webster,
go!
As long as Webster...
Doesn't spend half the time talking about how Peak Oil and Global Warming are hoaxes...
Watch out for this. I think after this appearance we should know whether or not we've got another Jim Fetzer on our hands.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
I also think that “Peak
I also think that “Peak Oil” and "Man-Made Global Warming" (not Global Warming) are manipulations. I'm not trying to pick a fight and I doubt Tarpley’s going to bring any of it up anyway, but there are valid ground for dissent on both of those issues.
Let's not attach it to 9/11 though...
I think the debate for this stuff might still be open (Man made GW, not so much...), but I think it is a distraction from and a possible discreditor of 9/11 Truth. Things like this new Kennedy (E. Howard Hunt) tape, or this new Kent State tape are more relevant, but I think even they should be held at arm's lenght.
Now BIRD FLU being a hoax... That is right up our alley, since we can prove that Rummy profits from "Tamiflu".
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
self-censorship? i disagree.
self-censorship? i disagree. i dont buy the argument that doing research or whatever on JFK or anything else for that matter is a "distraction". a distraction for who? from what? i dont get it.
We are in a serious, time
We are in a serious, time sensitive situation. 9/11 is highly relevant to out current predicament. JFK is not. We shouldn't be diverting time or energy away from saving our asses.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
i think i have enough energy
i think i have enough energy for both.
man made global warming? doubt it.
I am not trying to pick a fight, but I find it astounding that someone who is obviously clearheaded and brave enough to face up to the reality of 9/11 would have much trouble believing that man made global warming scare-mongering is almost certainly overblown if not an outright hoax. There are so many prominent scientists that believe the IPCC and Al Gore are full of crap and are not adhering to established scientific protocols in the their analysis. As for peak oil, that is much less clear, but also likely a hoax, or at least greatly exaggerated. I wouldn't doubt the peak oil theory for a second, but Richard Andrew Grove over at 8thestate.com is dubious of this theory, which set me to looking into it a little more and reading an article about deep well drilling that Russia has been doing for a while with some success (this is significant because they are drilling below the level where most crude has been found and the oil they are finding cannot be accounted for within the 'fossil' fuel theory), although this story itself might be a hoax. Anyway this really is off topic, and I doubt WRT will go into these issues when he likely won't have more than 30 seconds to actually speak, but I urge you to look into those things a little more, they are hardly in the same category as the beam weapon slicing through the towers theory.
Later.
Once we fully expose 9/11, and end all the Oil Wars, and restore the constitution, and reverse the process of NAU integration, and take back the media...
THEN I will relax, smoke some fine tobacco, and try to figure out whether or not we caused global warming.
Both of these are non-issues if we are thinking rationally anyway. We need to go to alternative energy NO MATTER WHAT. Continuing to burn stuff for energy is stupid. If we get off oil, we'd be taking great strides in the environmental area, and Peak Oil would be moot. It's like a community of morbidly obese people arguing about whether or not the scientists are sure that there are 4000 calories in deep fried bacon, as opposed to just 3700.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Spot on
Whether global warming/peak oil is "real" is irrelevant as the solutions are the same reguardless of which side one's on. There is absolutly NO GOOD REASON to let these issues divide us as far as 911activism is concerned.
BTW: at my local 911 yahoo group, someone popped up to push "oil is made from magma"--right as we're gearing up for our local DRG event. Maybe Jenny's being paranoid, but it looked just the sort of thing a "divider" would interject to cause discord. I nicely pointed out where he could be right but we don't have to be divided over it. I even added a smiley. ;-)
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Mumbo jumbo.
Magma is molten rock, so that theory sounds pretty weak to me. Oil is hydrocarbon... Anyway, I don't want to get this debate going!!!
Jenny is right. This is not something to be divided over. If we don't solve our political problems first, the other issues are inaccessible to us.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
All Tarpley needs to do to win the debate is...
Tell the fools at Faux to roll footage of WTC-7 falling down. But I guarantee he won't. What does that tell you about Tarpley.
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It tells me that he knows
It tells me that he knows there are other issues to discuss other than the ones that the MSM handpicks to scrutinize.
Makes me wonder WHY they pick these topics:
Bush did it
Controlled Demolition
Pentagon Whatzit
Maybe because they might not actually be proven?
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just wondering, but have you
just wondering, but have you EVER seen an HONEST discussion of controlled demolition(or even the Pentagon) on television? but CD is killing the movement right? obfuscation and lies are killing the movement, not CD or the Pentagon, some of our biggest recruiting tools for lack of a better phrase. if everyone in the movement all decided to drop CD right now, do you think the media would all of a sudden cover the aspects of 9/11 that you want them to? or would they completely ignore us instead of just mostly? would the movement have even gotten this far in the first place?
Exactly
If WTC-7 is brought up, Tarpley should tell them to show the footage of the building falling down and then read a couple statements from people like Indira Singh and Craig Bartmer. But I guarantee that won't happen. An honest discussion of controlled demolition on national teevee won't be allowed to happen.
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All he has to do is tell Hannity to roll the footage
And when he doesn't it will be obvious that FAUX is hiding something. Steven Jones did this with Tucker Carlson and it made MSNBC look like they were complicit in the cover-up.
WTC-7 has the best chance to wake people up. I say that based on my 4+ years in the 9/11 truth movement.
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If they refuse to run 7 footage.....
all he has to say is, "Why not, it will only take 6 and a half seconds of our time?"
I know everybody
I know everybody has got their favorite comment to wish Tarpley would voice.
mine might be...
Please roll the news footage of WTC 7 'Collapsing'.... Oh you won't the footage of an actual event on 9/11. Why is that? What are you afraid of? What are you so afraid of that you refuse to 'allow' the American public to see???
edit: [sorry, Altruist, I didn't know you had posted a simiilar thought above. But, in any case, it appears we are on the same page.]
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Ok I just watched the show and...
I retract my statement about Mr. Tarpley. Excellent job, sir! Although you did misspeak concerning the distance between the towers and Building 7, but that is understandable considering you were on live teevee. I'm sure you would have corrected your comment to "the building was several hundred feet -- not yards -- from the twins" if someone would have mentioned your error.
I am also surprised that FAUX played a clip of 7 falling down. It wasn't the best clip, but not the worst one either.
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to Webster:
DO NOT let them control the discussion. talk over them if you have to, they will do the same to you.
actually yeah
he should watch how Kevin Barrett handled them as a prep/reminder before doing the appearance.
I think he'll do fine in that regard, I just wonder where Hannity is going to try and steer the conversation. Webster needs to be ready for almost anything, and just steer them back to his agenda. Sort of like the debates when the candidates dont or barely answer a question and steer it to whatever they want. Use their tactics against them if necessary.
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exactly, Barrett handled
exactly, Barrett handled them well and when it was clear that Hannity was going to shape the discussion(your a Muslim, your teaching conspiracy theories to your students etc.) Barrett jumped right in and gave it right back and made some great points in the process.
Good Luck...
Webster.
My advice:
The list goes on and on... Most importantly, ask Sean Hannity when he covered ANY of this information. And the Eleventh Of Every Month Action. ;)
Edit: I didn't see they were going to talk about John Kerry's comments. According to Mary McElveen, whom I don't trust, she called Kerry's office, and "they denied the accusation and were angered that people were misinterpreting the senator’s comments."
As I said, I don't trust her (she apparently went from being a truther to not, and as we all know, once you start down the rabbit hole, there's no turning back), but I hope Sean doesn't put it to rest as simply as that.
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"Now...
Embracing John Kerry?" Did we do that? Webster should have declined. Whenever they're ready to "tackle" an issue, it's because they have something "up their sleeve."
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Mention
The discovery of abundant iron-rich spheres -- an indelible signature of thermite use --within the WTC dust as analysed and documented by distinguished physicist Dr. Steven Jones.
Jon Gold - You are the man.
Every single time you post, I find my head nodding in agreement. We have to let the people know who this struggle is about. It's not about loons and crackpots - it's about justice.
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Good Luck!!
Good Luck!!
I find this hard to believe.
Have the Fox people lost whatever sanity they had left? Webster Tarpley is the world's formost authority on False Flag Terrorism plus he is a brilliant public speaker. He will simply destroy Scam and his Shadow on the issue of 9/11. Could it be there is more to this than meets the eye? ................I wouldn't watch Fox News if you put a gun to my head so I hope someone posts the interview tomorrow.
They figure....
and they are probably right, that they can control the conversation dominantly inasmuch as they control the studio. I would never go anywhere to debate these cretins without strict guidelines of debate forum being agreed to and complied with. Wouldn't matter how 'good' I was at debate if debate were not allowed.
Tarply will have a hard time. I hope he is shrewd enough to get in a few lines........
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If I were appearing on Any MSM Show
I would bring with me lists of names of:
Military Leaders who question 9/11
Congress people who question 9/11
Leading conservatives and liberals who question 9/11
Scientists who question 9/11
Family members and first responders who question 9/11
Christians who question 9/11
Jews who question 9/11
911 Commissioners who question 9/11
Psychiatrists and Psychologists who question 9/11
etc. (my lists are compiled here: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/911-fact-sheet.html . but it is the names themselves which are important).
Then here's what I would say in response to their questions of "Do YOU believe" or "does KERRY [or the other person-to-be-ridiculed-du-jour] believe?:
"Well, high-level military leaders, congress people, scientists, Christians, Jews, family members, first responders, 9/11 Commissioners, and other highly-credible people believe 9/11 was an inside job"
And when they said "well, name a couple".
I'd pull out my lists and start reading and I'd calmly hold up the lists to the camera so that -- even if the host cut me off or talked over me -- the camera might get the names.
But that's just me.
Interesting...
Webster is brilliant and articulate, but does anyone else wonder why it is only left-leaning 9/11 truth people that get mainstream attention?
It think we need to be VERY wary that 9/11 trith will try to be boxed in and packaged as a "liberal" movement in order to widen and deepen the partisan divide in this country.
Please everyone stress non-partisanship in your efforts and by all means be careful that we stay away from the "Bush knew, it's all Bush" type of mantra.
9/11 was not a "Republican Op" Even if the Neo-Cons are primarily responsible, they are a small cadre that has infiltrated and hijacked what is otherwise a very valid ideology (conservatism) that many people identify with. People that could easily alienate from the truth if they percieve that 9/11 truth is about attacking their ideology.
do you really think thats a
do you really think thats a major problem for us with people like Alex Jones, Paul Craig Roberts, Steven Jones, DRG and other right leaning people on board? i know the Fox crowd will try to make it into a "liberal" issue but all you have to say is "former Reagan and Bush administration officials agree with me." end of debate. in fact, someone tried to do this on Fox sort of recently and Colmes actually smacked it down and mentioned Alex Jones by name.
Tarpley 'left-leaning'? DRG 'right-leaning'?
Where on earth are these desrcriptions coming from?! To characterize them this way doesn't indicate much familiarity with their political views, and I doubt very much that either would accept them (nor do I see any reason that they should accept them).
i didnt call Tarpley left
i didnt call Tarpley left leaing though if you had to pick a side he would be left and DRG has admitted himself that he was a republican before the 9/11 shit hit the fan.
They're already doing that...
Bill O has referred to us as the "loony left." They have to maintain the false division of Democrat and Republican. It helps people forget that we're Americans before we're D or R, and as a result, people argue the talking points from both parties, and ignore the real issues. It helps them maintain the two party (Corporate) system. It helps to maintain the idea that there aren't any good, reasonable, promising third parties out there, even though there are several.
One of the funniest things I've ever seen is how Republican boards jump on Sandy Berger as if to counter what we're doing, and the truth of the matter is, we want to know what he stole as well.
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I'm just happy that (arguably) the strongest
advocate for MIHOP in the movement is going Prime Time.
If they try to go left-right
then Tarpley should bring up Ron Paul (a Republican) and mention the landslide numbers regarding the debates (that fox and other mainstream try to avoid) and say that Paul couldnt have those numbers if it werent for people across all parties voting for the best American candidate. That means dems/libs/repubs/conservs/indies etc etc are behind a candidate together regardless of that candidates devicive label.
As soon as we dispense with the phony l/r paradigm, and wake up from the rest of the Truman Show we live in, the sooner we can get to the business of taking this republic back from the scum who currently have hold of it.
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That...
Would be funny... "What about Ron Paul? He's a Republican and from Texas. Doesn't that qualify anymore?"
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I think thats the point of letting him on
I heard that Medved (conservative radio guy) made a big deal of that last poll that came out (saying that 22% of people believe Bush had 9/11 foreknowledge, and 29% believe CIA had 9/11 foreknowledge) , because the poll showed that 35 % of democrats think that Bush had foreknowledge, and 30% on top of that weren't sure.
Basically, they want to tie 9/11 truth to the 'Bush-hating left'.
Tarpley knows..
the left/right thing is a sham and so should you.
Tarpley has spoken at length on this very topic.
But, you are absolutely right that it was not a republican op and you are absolutely right that if people perceive 9/11 truth as attacking their ideology, they won't listen.
Why they pick progressive 911 Truth spokesman
Reason is simple. Fox is playing to their base, with the usual demagogic nonsense, supposed to show how crazy the democrats are.
Tarpley set them straight when he said he has no use for Kerry
The other half of the reason is that the liberal mainstream outlets are more wedded to the official conspiracy theory than anybody and they don't like to give us airtime cause we could appeal to their base.
Off Topic Ron Paul
Ron Paul: Total Victory, Yet Censorship Continues
Texas Congressman trounces rivals in all polls but is deliberately pushed to margins by terrified corporate media
Prison Planet | May 9, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson
Ron Paul emerged from last week's GOP debate as completely victorious according to every available benchmark and yet there is still a deliberate ploy to push the Texas Congressman to the sidelines on behalf of a terrified corporate media.
Every single major online poll shows conclusively that Ron Paul won the debate by a mammoth margin, trouncing the bought and paid-for shill Neo-Con candidates that the establishment press are sworn to uphold.
After just over 18,000 votes, the ABC News poll shows Ron Paul with 15,568 compared with nearest rival Mitt Romney who is on a paltry 245. After initially scrubbing Paul from the poll altogether, ABC were forced to add his name after a deluge of furious calls and e mails.
Ron Paul led MSNBC's poll right from the start and before it had even been widely circulated. ABC News claims that activist voting and multiple voting by individuals artificially inflated Paul's numbers, but both claims are demonstrably false. Keith Olbermann reported that Paul was ahead before the link was spread around message boards and blogs and to vote multiple times is impossible - the poll only allows one vote per IP address.
At time of press, Paul currently has 40% approval and 25% disapproval, compared with 43% disapproval and only 22% approval for Giuliani.
Capital News, an arm of CSPAN, had Paul leading his nearest rival Mitt Romney by 60% shortly before voting closed. Rudy Giuliani garnered just 6% of the vote.
Yahoo! News is still censoring Ron Paul by not including him in the list of candidates on their 2008 presidential coverage page , despite the fact that he is wildly popular and has trounced every other Republican candidate in ever online poll.
After receiving a flood of angry complaints, Yahoo promised to review the situation, but 24 hours later their page is still absent any mention of Ron Paul.
This whole fiasco underscores the reality that the President of the United States is not elected by the popular will of the people, but instead is selected from a highly restricted gaggle of pre-approved establishment lackeys.
The corporate media offer the excuse that Ron Paul is not a mainstream candidate and has little chance of winning, therefore their decision to afford him little coverage is justified. But this is a chicken and egg scenario - if the media routinely ignore so-called marginal candidates then they are never going to attain the exposure of a Giuliani or a Romney, thus the media bias becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
If Ron Paul was afforded equal media coverage at every step of the way before the Republican nomination, and if America was still a free country with a democratic process that actually worked, then Ron Paul would be a shoe-in for the Oval Office.
But the fact remains, as is painfully underscored by the media's treatment of Ron Paul, that America is a banana republic where the president is not elected by popular will but selected by the corporate and military-industrial kingpins that for whom, upon inauguration, he becomes the puppet.
Something...
That's going to make me throw up is when the primaries are over, and the candidates are either Giuliani, McCain, Clinton, and Obama, even though the favorites were probably Ron Paul and Mike Gravel.
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That's why they're stacking all the primaries on 2/5....
......so the big money, the party machinery, and the voting machines ensure that the corporate candidates are installed for our false choice come November.
They're showing their hand really early and obviously. That ABC poll...what a giveaway.......
So many...
Things go on behind the scenes regarding the elections of this country, it's disgusting. All I know is that they do NOT represent the will of the people, and what's best for this country.
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Nobody can run
Nobody can run effectively, let alone win, if they don't have the sanction of the elites.... the CRF, Bildergergs, Carlyles, and the other crap evil that run this country.
TARPLEY? OMG!
I can't think of a better person to debunk the myth of 9/11 and the ... ahem - 'war on terror'.
Wow!
Tarpley will not
Tarpley will not be given the chance to do that. He is smart and knows what he faces and probably knows too that if he can get but two or three good thought provoking lines in there within the crap chaos that is Hannity, he will have done what he went there for.
Hope this gets
Hope this gets captured...and thank God it's not AJ - I'm gettin a little tired of his everything thing is a conspiracy rant - especially on Global Warming, an issue I've followed for at least 15 years. AJ comes in as a johnny come lately and dismisses the entire issue as rampant hogwash and conspiracy - the two young brit boys add their two cents by referencing a documentary which proves debunk GW but neglect to do their research to note that the participants have been entirely discredited as both being impartial and scientists due to their funding from big oil and lack of no peer -reviewed papers. I apologize for that little rant to all you AJ fans - he's just losing me more and more with his lack of composure. Anyone know what has happened to Dan Abrahamson and Tarpleys show?
Dan Abrahamson and
Webster Tarpley are now available on 'We the people radio network'
go here:
http://www.wtprn.com/listen.html
by the way.....
Dan Abrahamson is, by far, one of the best analysts of all the crap going on I have heard. I am an oldster in this but have learned a fair amount (I had the advantage(?) of starting out in SDS at Kent State years ago so I didn't have all the 'mind blocks' some others have been burdened with). But I learn much from Abrahamson because his analyses seem spot on and he covers more news from around the world than I can. Everything from analysis of Russia's response to Bush's missils being placed in bordering 'Nato' countries to global economics....
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Perfect timing
I'm in the middle of "Synthetic Terror" so this is perfect timing. I also bought my copy of "Debunking 9/11 Debunking today." Very interesting reading.
Rumsfeld Keeps Ghastly 9/11 Souvenirs
Rumsfeld Keeps Ghastly 9/11 Souvenirs
http://www.truthera.com/2007/05/07/rumsfeld-keeps-ghastly-911-souvenirs
Where to watch it?
I live outside the U.S. so I cant watch it on TV; is there any way to watch this live online or something??
Thanks in advance!
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one hour to go ....
One hour to go, and we'll find out.
any news? Have FUCKS NEWS broadcast a promo yet?
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hidden messages
The website says this about tonight's show -
Wednesday, May 9:
• Rosie Does it Again! 'View' co-host's kooky take on drunk driving
• Political Wordplay! As candidates campaign are there hidden messages within their words? We lift the verbal veil, tonight!
http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html
it is very disturbing how
it is very disturbing how they are playing this up as 9/11 skeptics supporting john kerry based on the video of him being questioned about WTC7.. he didnt even understand the question, and not a single person here supported kerry because of his statements.. very messed up - they are just inventing the news.
Yup...
And I think Webster should have declined like you did... or make an agreement with them to mention other things going on, etc...
Edit: Puke.
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wow, they just showed an
wow, they just showed an actual video of WTC7 - a good quality one at that.. i wonder how many americans just realized they had no idea a 3rd tower collapsed that day..
it was good quality
tarpley came out all guns blazing
colmes was a complete disgrace
nobody let him talk but talk he did.
he talked all the way through the interview.
they cut him off in the end.
I think it was a success for 9/11 truth, but the audience probably agrees with H&C that he's crazy and has "cockamame theories", because, well it's fox news viewers.
Good Job Webster!
He got them to play the WTC7 tape!
The more people who see WTC7 demolition the more progress 911truth makes.
Good job webster!
Peace.
Matt
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Not bad!!
It took Webster just a moment to get in the game here, but then he did some great stuff. And they showed his book! And he mentioned it again ("I've got 500 pages of proof!") And they showed an angle on the collapse of 7 I've never seen.
Obscured angle...
All you could see is one side of the building, then the cloud. You couldn't really see the profile or the roof-line, or how fast it went down. But you're right, about a million more people just went "What, a third building fell?"
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
building 7 collapse
"It took Webster just a moment to get in the game here, but then he did some great stuff. And they showed his book! And he mentioned it again ("I've got 500 pages of proof!") And they showed an angle on the collapse of 7 I've never seen."
Despite all that, they kept repeating phrases like "cockamamie conspiracies" and ridiculing Tarpley and the Truth Movement. Unfortunately I don't think any "Faux" regulars are going to be swayed. Anyone expecting a positive outcome has unrealistic expectations. (IMHO)
BTW I thought the video of the collapse was too vague because it was a closeup view. From a distance the collapse is unquestionably controlled demolition. Close up it could be any building.
It was pretty good.
The first few minutes wasted on John Kerry stunk, but rolling the videotape of Building 7 and Webster getting in blasts about fat and skinny Osama was great.
Reruns
Do you know if this will be shown again later tonight? Thanks.
Hey Ningen
Usually us West Coasters have a second chance at 9 -- check your local listings!
No...
They made him look like a complete nut who thinks there is more than one Osama. Colmes got the last word on that, and he twisted it. Still, the exposure will backfire some.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
That was a surprise
They actually showed video of WTC7 collapsing, with the video that follows the dust cloud as it billows down the street... hopefully people will realize the similarities in the dust clouds of WTC 1 and 2 and WTC 7.
Tarpley did as well as humanly possible under such a controlled setting.
I don't know...
I'm telling you guys... Watch Tarpley carefully. He just let them control the dialog completely, he spit out a bunch of wild sounding declarations that could easily be taken our of context, he really let himself be made to look "nutty". He didn't seem like he had prepared at all.
Is this the way someone would perform if they really understood the seriousness of this situation? Is this the way someone would perform if they really wanted to present 9/11 Truth as credible?
Watch him carefully. I'm telling you, he's another Fetzer. He's associated with the same people. Go on YouTube and look up "PaulaGloria". She has interviews with Tarpley and Fetzer in his full Star Trek glory.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
I disagree.
He got ticked when Alan wouldn't let him talk and really did well in the end. I thought he did better than most anyone else could. As much as I love David Ray Griffin, he wouldn't get a word in on this show. Yeah, I saw some interview of Tarpley, I think it was with that Paula Gloria chick, and they sounded like a couple of idiots bashing oil depletion. So he got that one wrong. Face it, he has a libertarian/Larouche background, but that is why he understands both parties are useless.
damn right
He looked and acted disorganized, and pardon me, he looked like a "kook"
H&C were virtually purring, and I wanted to throw a copy of Synthetic Terror at my TV.
I agree that he did look and
I agree that he did look and sound kind of like a nutty conspiracy theorist, and his talking points could have been much better... Personally, I would much prefer have someone like Alex Jones do this, but I'm pretty sure Fox News would never let him on, unfortunately.
he didnt...
he didnt let them do anything. OF COURSE they are going to take control of the dialog, thats what they always do, thats what propaganda does. and there is no way to prepare for that because H&C are going to talk about only what THEY want to.
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-George W. Bush November 11, 2001
Wrong.
He doesn't have to respond to their shit. Propaganda works both ways. DUH! Tarpley should have had several potent phrases rehearsed and ready to go, then twisted everything they said righ back into HIS talking points. Tarpley doesn't have to let a word pass his lips that he doesn't want to talk about.
THIS ISN'T A GAME!!!!
He should have been better prepared.
Insanity - "You don't have one shred of evidence"
Tarpley - "The laws of physics, scientific and chemical analysis are admissible as evidence in every other criminal case..."
Insanity - "You don't have it!! You're a moon-bat!"
Tarpley - "I'm not here to talk about moon-bats, I'm here to talk about Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission."
You just keep spitting out facts, you don't get drawn into their stupidity!!
Listen, this is exactly like what I was talking about in the thread with the Edwards Truth Squad... REHEARSE!!!! These idiots are not hard to handle. We know EXACTLY how they will behave. They can only behave one way, because that's how their propaganda works. Tarpley should have been fucking prepared!! He has every opportunity to study tapes of these monkeys in advance, and practice circumventing their bullshit.
This is not a game.
If any of you are planning on making on camera or audio appearances ANYWHERE, MSM or otherwise, REHEARSE. Do role playing. Think of possible arguments, and practice them over and over, so you can confidently handle whatever is thrown at you!!
Tarpley isn't an idiot. Why would he go on unprepared? If he is so convinced that we are on the brink of WW3, WOULDN'T HE TAKE THIS JUST A BIT MORE SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!
Keep an eye on him.
AND REHEARSE!!!! Get used to public speaking and debate, and study your opponent's tactics. Your services might be required. This should be a learning experience. The next person who gets face time better perform better than Tarpley. PASS IT ON.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
hindsights 20/20
its easy for all of us to say that. but rehearsal and the real thing (live) is completely different. im a terrible public speaker and rehearsing doesnt help because NOTHING ever goes according to plan. i know what your saying. im not necessarily disagreeing with you, of course he could of done this and he could of done that but the fact remains that he was in a controlled situation. Tarpley knows and understands what they are trying to do to him. he KNOWS that hes not going to convince H&C. what did you expect, for H&C to suddenly scream out, "OH MY GOD YOUR RIGHT, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" its not gonna happen, Tarpley has to take whatever they give him and assume that the American viewers use their brains in determining whose right and whose wrong.
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-George W. Bush November 11, 2001
Nothing to do with hindsight.
If you're thinking in terms of hindsight, you might as well start digging your own grave now.
Fuck hindsight. I'm talking about FORESIGHT here. I'm talking about preparedness. Any jackass can figure out that he should be prepared for a national TV appearance, ESPECIALLY when we are talking about matters of war, treason, torture, enslavement...
"...the fact remains that he was in a controlled situation. Tarpley knows and understands what they are trying to do to him."
EXACTLY. It is a controlled situation, and therefore PREDICTABLE. If they get off script and out of character, the curtain falls, and there is the Wizard with his pants around his ankles. So we take advantage of that!!! H&C will be the same every time. Rehearse, role-play, and you can beat their little game.
"...he KNOWS that hes not going to convince H&C. what did you expect, for H&C to suddenly scream out, 'OH MY GOD YOUR RIGHT, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB'..."
Let's not get silly. Of course that's not what I expect. I expect our representatives to maintain their composure, get as many facts out as possible, not get steamrolled, and maybe, just maybe to take control of the situation by being PROACTIVE instead of reactive. Start practicing debating and public speaking, people. Learn how to be on your toes, and how to neutralize this repetitive, predictable propaganda.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Trust but verify
It's an unfortunate reality that when you are in the spotlight that you become the subject of criticism. All of us should realize this and be willing to hear our critiques. I can't help but notice that it didn't seem that well prepared. "no fires" - was an exaggeration. The Bin Laden argument may have been overly-intellectual. I consider myself to be relatively smart, but I still had to learn exactly what a patsy was.
This is an infowar,
let's make every shot count.
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Dissapointed but not surprised...
Tarpley did a great job. I respect the guy alot. Met him in January at the D.C. rally. My boys from Temple 9|11 Truth were on his radio show. Philly 9|11 Truth adores the guy.
I do think that things could have been done better with talking points. However - how does any truther speak any sort of fact on a show like Hannity and Colmes? They don't.
The only awesome thing to come out of this: WTC7 video.
Kudos to Webster Tarpley.
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just watched Tarpley..
he did a very good job, both Hannity and Colmes tried spinning everything he said. they barely let him talk. again the neocons stand by the bullshit Popular Mechanics (Chertoff propaganda) analysis. i never watch Faux news unless i know they will talk about 9/11 and it just makes me sick that there are people out there that actually watch this shit.
Hitler would of loved to have a media outlet like Faux News in Nazi Germany.
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-George W. Bush November 11, 2001
Fox makes me sick
Webster's audio level was half that of Hannity and Colmes'. They also wouldn't let Webster finish a thought.
They used name calling and shouting and the WTC7 clip they showed was not convincing. They spewed insults and lies only moments after condemming Al Sharpton for some BS comment.
I hate these people - they should be tried for treason and murder.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.... The people cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."
Thomas Jefferson
Looking forward to seeing the clip..
I don't get Fox news on my cable here where I am in Canada.
Sad that he did somewhat poorly.. what an opportunity!
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He didn't do poorly...
It's just that he didn't even have a chance to finish a thought between insults and lies. It was all scripted on Fox's behalf. Tarpley was outflanked.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.... The people cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."
Thomas Jefferson
Should have been prepared.
Even with only a few hours notice I would ahve been more prepared than that. He knows what to expect from these monkeys. They don't know what to expect from him. Tarpley is in the position of power, not them. They can't veer from their script and their prescribed propaganda techniques, or the audience will begin to see "the man behind the curtain". This gives Tarpley the opportunity to study them in advance and formulate all kinds of ways to neutralize their propaaganda. WE CAN USE LANGUAGE AS A WEAPON TOO!!! We should just be using it in a more intelligent way, that STIMULATES logic, not destroys it.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Alright buddy, easy on the man...
Your enthusiasm's great, but go easy on the guy. He was the one in the hot seat, not you.
-"Johnny"
I thought Webster's audio was....
.....distorted or diminished/lowered also.....
He did well
I thought he did well. How crazy is it that we have to rely on Hannity and Colmes to show footage of Building 7 falling at freefall speed?
i only wish Tarpley had
i only wish Tarpley had mentioned what was in building 7.. most people will assume it was just ordinary businesses..
Indeed.
When Hannity asked the question about who could have placed the explosives, I was really hoping that Tarpley would speak about the agencies housed inside Building 7, but alas... He'd need to work on his talking points, just like the opponent does. They are our weapons in this war...
everyone knows the world is flat
I got a blog entry waiting.... but here is the clip
Thanks...
For doing what you do StopLying.
It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up
"Is this a filibuster or is it an interview?"
Great job Mr. Tarpley! That comment had me laughing. One more example of how the personal attack does not trump the logical argument.
Awesome.
Gotta love these new media technologies. From live TV to the web in less than 30 minutes...
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
My critique.
Overall - good job Webster. You stuck to the guns for the most part. Being able to stay focused during an onslaught of Ad-Hominem attacks is a challenge for anyone, and you did admirably.
My only critique would be that when they try and say that you are hurting the "victims families" you should counter that! Either quote someone - or tell them about patriotsquestion911.com - but don't let them get away with that lie anymore.
Also, with the Bin Ladens - it would have been good to simply say that the bin laden confession tape is obviously faked - writes with wrong hand - weighs 20 more pounds (you mentioned this, but it wasn't to say that it was faked)
Just some friendly critique- because this is so important. Like I said before - who knows what any of us would say under the gun - but it's important to be mentally prepared when we're on the front lines of the infowar. Thanks for your dedication and work.
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Tarpley flops
Webster was made to look like a "kook" by the rockem-sockem robot team of Hanity and Colmes,
Admittedly, a difficult venue to shine in, as they play double team and have the luxury of controlling the flow.
That said, he missed almost every opportunity to really put them in their place. They both attacked him for defaming the victims and their families - multiple times, and he never mentioned that 50% or so of the families belong to 9/11 Truth groups, and are actively demanding a new investigation. How could he miss the opportunity to not only say this, but give a web address? Shameful.
When they said 25% of WTC7 had been scooped out by falling debris, so it had to collapse, he went off on a tangent about WTC6 being closer to the towers, and it still stood - totally missing the opportunity to call attention to the SYMMETRICAL collapse of WTC7, a complete impossibility when damage was localized.
Then he wasted time on the possibility of multiple Bin Ladens, in his words, actors commissioned by the CIA, as H&C grinned like cheshire cats and rolled their eyes.
No wonder they booked him.
Where's Alex Jones when you need him?
You're right. I agree
You're right. I agree 100%!
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Sigh...
I agree.
excellent points, unfortunately
I agree that he should have pounced on H&C with their constant "hurting the families" bullshit. That was such an obvious opening, and I'm no debater but would have done better than that.
Your other points are well-taken as well, so unfortunately I have to agree that he flopped.
And, considering that the viewers who NEED to see this aren't the ones who watch H&C, this will probably only reinforce the Faux News viewership to keep their beautiful minds closed. Oh well. It's not a disaster.... and not a set-back either, just a blip on the radar really.
What surprised me most was the venom with which Colmes attacked Tarpley right out of the gate. Jesus, that guy was WORSE than Hannity, if that's possible.
WTC 7 Collapse Video Was Worth It
Looks like to me Webster knew they were going to show that footage of WTC7 in advance. As Hannity announced they were going to the tape, Webster was like, "show it". I was shocked that they actually showed it. Did Webster make this a condition of his agreeing to the interview?
Regardless, it demonstrates perfectly how little respect Fox has for its viewers. First they deny up and down that WTC 7 was a controlled demoltion, then they show a video of WTC7 being destroyed in a controlled demolition. Wow!!! I'm stunned by that!
Fox to its viewers: Who are you going to believe? Us... or your lying eyes???
And what the hell is up with Combs? I've never seen him that blunt in his attack on 9/11 truth. "Wingnuts???" Who the hell you calling a "Wingnut" you self-hating, gatekeeping, ass licking, son-of-a-bitch!?!?
Their strategy to combat Loose Change is clear now. Get all the damning video out early and condition the sheeple to NOT believe what their eyes are showing them. As I predicted in my previous post, this will all backfire!
It was obvious they were talking over Webster. It was obvious that they were in attack mode. And it was obvious from the video tape that WTC was brought down in a controlled demoltion.
People actually aren't as stupid as Fox news thinks they are. They may be a little slow... but they are not THAT stupid. No way!
As far as Webster, Douglas sums up my thoughts perfectly. Certainly would have preferred to see Alex Jones wipe his ass with Hannity and Combs!
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They've painted themselves into a corner on WTC7!
Soon LCFC will show ALL the clips and testimony regarding the demolition of WTC7, and it will be crystal clear that the building was intentionally demolished.
Because the focus was WTC7, and they SHOWED IT, gives our movement a net gain, even though Tarpley did come across as being a little nutty.
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Tarpley just one step in a long haul.
I agree Robert. I thought Webster could've done better of course, but I also thought that he did a decent job of addressing some of the topics that need to be discussed. I also thought of that saying "first they attack you, then they debate you or argue with you.. then you win (if the truth is on your side)." Hopefully this comes to pass. Hopefully we see more of these types of interviews in the future. I don't think it'll go away and that is good.
Here's to be glad Mark Cuban and his Dallas Mavericks got beat out of the NBA Playoffs. Now he has time to devote to the release and marketing of "Loose Change: Final Edition" coming to Theatres near you!!!
WTC7 Video may be a new strategy
WTC7 is their Achilles heel, the ultimate smoking gun.
Video of it's symmetrical collapse is available virtually everywhere on the web, and on every 9/11 Truth video CD that is being handed out by the thousands every day. They are very aware of this.
I think they are attempting to cut the legs out from under WTC7, or the whole thing collapses around their necks.
By having the "nutty professor" on while they openly show WTC7 come down, they discredit the reasons Tarpley gave that it had to fall due to controlled demolition, while the open showing of this on their "show" proves to the uninitiated that they are so confident that it was a natural collapse, they have no problem airing the video.
I can just hear the sheep around the water cooler tomorrow saying "yeah, I saw Building 7, or whatever, collapse, so what?"
It may not be the best tactic, but it is all they are left with.
Webster
Why didn't you mention that Sliverstein admitted THEY made the decision to "pull it" or that Marvin was running security. DAMMIT
Frustrating, isn't it?
It all boils down to strong talking points... That's the key.
Talking points?
This guy WROTE A BOOK on 9/11. He has been touring for several years giving talks on 9/11, and answering random questions in public on 9/11, and this was the best performance he could muster on a live nationally broadcast main stream show?
Now that's about as believable as 19 cavemen armed with flint chips blowing up our landmark buildings.
performance
It's not as easy as it looks.
Watch the video again and you will see Tarpley makes major points. He doesn't waste time.
They give you 3 minutes to change people's complete world view in a hostile interrogation?
I've watched a number of videos, like Kevin Barrett and others on Fox, and it just ain't that easy
I don't know what you expected, for the heavens to crack open and truth to reveal itself in full glory?
I say keep an eye on him.
He looked buffoonish and unprepared. He might have taken a dive. Read my earlier posts.
I think this movement needs more organization (still decentralized though), planning and strategy. We're just swinging blindly right now.
He definitely should have prepared better. This is a war. How can we be taking this to be such a joke or a social club???
Jesus, I don't want to spend the rest of my life in a gulag. I don't want a fucking RFID microchip stuck in me. I don't want to die young because some blue-bloods somewhere don't think I'm valuable enough to them. Can we please, please start behaving like this is important to us? Can we be a bit more organized, professional and active? I'm begging you guys, lets start actually thinking ahead here and strategizing. (But not all over the web for all to see!!)
I'm glad there are so many people out there who are fighting for our freedom and for the truth, but from what I've seen so far, it's just really sloppy. We are fighting against greater numbers, and a deeply entrenched system, no a deeply entrenched "reality" and worldview, that is FAR more organized than we are.
I want to have hope, people. Can't we do better than this?
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Sounds like
you're the man for the job. You've got the passion and obviously the confidence that you can do better.
So DO it.
I'll be finding my niche soon..
'Cause right now wasting a bunch of time on the internet is making me feel a bit neutralized.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
You seriously need to give
You seriously need to give up the attacks on Webster. He, in fact, did a fantastic job. I have a sneaking suspicion that if H&C had you on, you would start stammering immediately and wouldn't be able to get a single coherent thought out. Webster had it completely together throughout the entire interview, not once getting flustered under probably the most difficult debating conditions one can imagine. It's easy to sit there at the computer screen and talk all day about how you would steer the discussion this way or that way, but guess what, it doesn't always work like that.
Every single time I have to go to court and argue I have a great plan in my head on how I want to direct the discussion and where I want it to go, but guess what, it never goes like I plan in my head. Why? Because the courtroom is for the most part controlled by the presiding judge who controls the proceedings, and many times he doesn't want to hear about what I want to talk about. These cable talkshows are actually quite similar. The talk show hosts ask the questions and the person being interviewed has to respond. If the guest doesn't answer the question asked, the host will talk over the guest (because, as others have noted, the hosts' audio feeds are turned up higher than the guest) making it virtually impossible to get in any points that are too far outside the scope of the question.
You really need to humble yourself and recognize what a great job Webster did under extremely difficult circumstances. I'm getting sick and tired of all here that are bashing Webster's performance from the comfort of the chair in front of their computer. This man went on a nationally televised talkshow and was interviewed by two attack dogs and came of about as good as can be expected. There may be a valid debating point regarding the issue of *whether* he should have gone into such a forum at all, and constructive criticism about a point or two that he should or should not have addressed or how he addressed them may be helpful and instructive, but any wholesale bashing criticisms that completely discount and discredit his performance are totally unfounded and offensive.
Especially CONSCIOUSNESS - get over yourself. Stop wasting your purported gift for persuasive, compelling language here at 9/11 Blogger and go use it to spread Truth to the masses.
You must not be a very good lawyer.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if H&C had you on, you would start stammering immediately and wouldn't be able to get a single coherent thought out.
My public speaking skills are probably not up to par right now, as I haven't used them in about a decade. However, if I were taking a very public leadership role in something as important as the 9/11 Truth Movement, as Webster has, I would absolutely be ready for all manner of debate. Your sneaking suspicions are the product of your own over-active imagination. You are most likely making wild assumptions about me, based on some mental archetype of what a person behind a keyboard is supposed to be like. You'd be surprised. I have few insecurities, and I am more than willing to admit my weaknesses. I don't talk shit. If I profess confidence it is because I have a certain level of understanding of the topic. Where I am ignorant, I keep my mouth shut. Stammering is not in my repetoir, especially when I am confident in my knowledge of the subject matter.
Colms, I would shred. He is milk-toast. I could whip him into submission with two or three sentences and a cold stare. Hannity has enough confidence and ego to make him more challenging. It would be difficult to create the perception that you won a debate with him, because he will maintain the same cocky demeanor no matter what happens. However, if you craft your language properly as I have been suggesting, you could subvert his tactics and put a splinter in the viewers' minds.
The talk show hosts ask the questions and the person being interviewed has to respond. If the guest doesn't answer the question asked, the host will talk over the guest (because, as others have noted, the hosts' audio feeds are turned up higher than the guest) making it virtually impossible to get in any points that are too far outside the scope of the question.
This is only true for someone with a weak imagination or a weak intellect, who hasn't studied his enemies tactics and is generally not prepared. H&C is propaganda. It is propaganda that employs a limited range of tactics. As such it can be studied, understood, and subverted. You're simply wrong in assuming that H&C control the debate. The person who has the deeper mastery of language, and the greater understanding of propaganda tactics controls the debate. Webster should be controlling the debate. He could have studied tapes of H&C for days, and completely deconstructed their BS tactics. I would do this if I were in as public a role as he. Short of them actually turning off my mic, or literally yelling over me at full volume for the entire interview, I would get my points in. Language is a tool, and I understand how to use it to achieve my ends. Our enemy does it effectively, why can't we?
In our compulsion to argue and assert our egos, we seem to be missing the point of constructive criticism. My intention was to point out shortcomings and suggest that we in the movement strive to do better. You seem to be arguing that we should remain complacent in mediocrity. I only hope some of the other readers got the gist of my statements, and start to think more proactively and strategically. My intent wasn't to shit on Tarpley. My intent was to encourage the Movement to strive for better.
Especially CONSCIOUSNESS - get over yourself.
I'm well on my way, my friend. You see the first quote in my sig down there? I work on my ego each and every day. I'll tell you, these internet pissing contests are pretty counterproductive.
Stop wasting your purported gift for persuasive, compelling language here at 9/11 Blogger and go use it to spread Truth to the masses.
I'm planning on it. I'm relocating to another city, and will be searching out like-minded people when I get there. Right now I'm in a bit of a vacation limbo, and haven't had much luck in the area. I'm in a "red state". But I will definitely be active in the community I end up in, because preaching to the choir (more like bickering with the choir) here on the interweb is truly a dead end.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Sorry if my comment came off
Sorry if my comment came off as harsh, but some of your criticisms of Webster were completely out of line. And no, I'm not a bad lawyer for talking about what the judge wants to talk about. In fact, I would probably get sued for malpractice if I didn't talk about what the judge wanted to talk about.
I still maintain that it's easy to sit there and watch and talk about how great you would do on H&C. Being on the show is a completely different animal. Also, if you try and maintain that you could steer the discussion away from what they want to talk about, that is a naive statement. The host will continue to talk over you the entire interview and you would be lucky to get out one salient point over the host. Do you think it's worth getting out just one single point in an attempt to steer the discussion a particular direction? I don't. I would work with what they give you and get out as many good points as I can.
Constructive criticism is on thing...
...but the constant implication that Tarpley might be an agent or something ("keep an eye on him") is something else. People need to be very careful with this kind of language. It's all too easy on the internet to just throw this kind of shit around, and it usually makes me more suspicious of the commenter than the one they are commenting on, since provocateurism and the sowing of paranoid suspicions is a favorite tactic of COINTELPRO type operations.
If you have gifts that can be brought to bear to help the movement, by all means use them. Write books and give lectures and inspire people into action.
Warning us to keep a eye someone who has contributed so vastly to our knowledge and understanding of false flag operations and the like is certainly a waste of your CONSCIOUSNESS.
I have to agree with Douglas here
despite his comment being hidden. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say Tarpley gets about a 4. Now I'm sure we all can handle a bit of constructive criticism every now and again. None of us are perfect, and Tarpley is included in that. We don't need to be knocking eachother down for providing GOOD criticism about one of our movement's representatives. Tarpley didn't perform well in this interview, but that doesn't mean we don't retain the utmost respect for him. In fact I respect him so much that I'm willing to offer him tips on how to perform better "next time". Let's be kind to eachother while realizing we can point out eachother's faults, and we all have them. Douglas, I gave you a + point.
Seve, dramaqueen...nobody here attacked Webster.
Sorry
I did not intend my reply to you to appear so caustic, it really is my extreme disappointment and frustration with Tarpley's non-performance
Not to quibble
But, concerning the demolition of the Twin Towers and World Trade 7, when one is challenged to provide one "scintilla" of evidence in support of such a claim, the name and peer-reviewed studies of Steven Jones must absolutely spring from one's mouth like sparks from steel newly-rent, as it were.
Tarpley fared well enough, and should be commended.
FANTASTIC !!! Mainstream TV is in deep shit!!!
Tarpley was FINE!!
I swear to you:
MANY MANY MANY Fucks-News Gun-toting Patr-idiots Military Slaves will have been JOLTED.
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