Kia Baskerville (CBS) learns of both plane crashes in New York before President Bush?

The Longest Day

CBS News Producer Kia Baskerville Was With The President

WASHINGTON

(CBS) Kia Baskerville is a CBS News White House producer. She was traveling with President Bush when the terror attacks occurred on Sept. 11, 2001

"I went on the Florida trip at the last minute, replacing our White House Correspondent John Roberts. The day started out very early in the morning with the president jogging on a local golf course -- it was hot, muggy and too many mosquitoes. The most we were expecting from him was a brief comment on the day’s topic -- education, and hopefully taxes -- if we were lucky.

A couple of hours later, as the presidential motorcade headed to President Bush’s first event, I received a call on my cell phone from a producer who said that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center in New York.

I honestly couldn’t believe what I had just heard and fifteen minutes later I was standing in a second grade classroom with 20 students, who were getting ready to read for the president. He was visiting Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota. I received another phone call, this time from CBS Radio Correspondent Mark Knoller. "Kia, a plane has now crashed into the second tower of the WTC, so it looks like this is deliberate. You need to ask Bush about this."

Continues.......

Read her complete account here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/19/september11/main519119.shtml

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President Bush says he learned of the first plane striking the tower while "sitting outside the classroom".

"Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

- President Bush at a Town Hall Meeting December 4, 2001

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html

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(Kia Baskerville also seems to confirm that AF1 was "targeted" that day.)

"In our small, cozy cabin in the back of Air Force One, the 12 or so members of the White House travel pool did what millions of other Americans did that day: we turned on the news. As the plane flew on -- we knew not where -- we tuned into one local news report after another, using the plane’s satellite TV system. We were not prepared for what we saw. As I looked at the faces of my colleagues, I saw they were all filled with fear and terror. Then the steward came by and took our drink orders. There isn’t time to feel guilty about ordering a Bloody Mary at 10 in the morning, while you are flying on a targeted plane watching the World Trade Center collapse in front of your eyes."

Continues........

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/19/september11/main519119.shtml

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Are we really expected to believe that Kia Baskerville learned of both the 1st and 2nd plane crashes (via cell phone) before the President of the United States?

She learned of the first plane while on route to the school in the motorcade, but the POTUS did not?

She learned of the second plane crash (15 minutes later) as the students "were getting ready to read for the President."

Is this before Andy Card notified him via the whisper in his ear?

I have not seen any discussion of this account of events. Any thoughts?

DIGG BBC- WTC-7 STORY!! (NEW - TRYING AGAIN)

"I have not seen any discussion of this account of events"

I have proof Bush learned about what was going on in New York before he even left his hotel. More coming soon...
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Wow!!

That is some really heavy evidence, stallion4. I can't wait to hear it!! Are you going to break it here on 911blogger?? I hope so :-)

See below LOL

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W00T Alex Jones Just played the ABC Report on his show!!

At the end of the show I heard him play John Cochran's report about Bush learning about the attack back at his hotel! I only heard the last 10 minutes of the show and don't know if he talked about it earlier during his broadcast, though. I think this story is about to go super nova! Someone get this thread to the Watson bros and /or Aaron from the Jones Report to help them with any articles they may write about the ABC report.

EDIT

w00t

Bush Told Of First Attack On 9/11 Before He Left Florida Hotel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/040507bushtold.htm

I'm creating a blog for this now!

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I had never seen that account...

Before. VERY interesting. In regards to the "target" remark... couldn't she have meant because it was the President's plane, and that automatically makes it a target?

At a time when America is "under attack?"

Edit: Wasn't there a report of an ABC News Reporter asking Bush about the first plane as he was leaving his hotel?

Edit: Here it is...

Not surprising then, is this report by ABC’s John Cochrane, travelling with the President, here speaking to Peter Jennings not long after the President left his hotel:

“Peter, as you know, the President’s down in Florida talking about education. He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House Chief of Staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the President, “Do you know what’s going on in New York?” He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later. His first event is in about half an hour at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida.”


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Ok Jon just let the cat out of my bag :-)

Yes you are correct, Jon. But the report had only been in the form of a transcript - that many thought could have been faked. BUT I now have video of this and am working on a presentation to show people. I'm currently looking for a bad azz editor who can help me with this project. If anyone has "bad azz editor" qualifications and is interested in contributing to this project, please let it be known.

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Sorry...

Here's the transcript.

If you have video of that, that would be INCREDIBLE.

I only know how to use iMovie.


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No worries, Jon. This is good publicity for what's coming;-)

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This talks about...

Kia, and a lot of other things. So I guess I did read about Kia before because I KNOW I've read, "An Interesting Day."


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"An Interesting Day" to say the least

Even more interesting how ABC didn't challenge Bush's story about first learning "what was going on in New York" when he arrived at the Booker Elementary School after one of their own reporters said Bush knew back at his hotel. ABC is going down for this!

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Challenge him?

They were probably congratulating him.

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Good question...

My question is, what did Condi know/tell Bush?

Bush supposedly was told of the first plane hitting the tower by Condoleeza Rice when he arrived at Emma E. Booker Elementary School. He went into a room, and took a phone call from her. According to the 9/11 Report, "At 8:55, before entering the classroom, the President spoke to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who was at the White House. She recalled first telling the President it was a twin-engine aircraft—and then a commercial aircraft—that had struck the World Trade Center, adding “that’s all we know right now, Mr. President.”

Considering Condi is a known liar regarding the 9/11 attacks, it makes more sense not to trust her account than it does to trust it.

So, what did Condi know/tell Bush? That a plane hit the WTC? That a hijacked plane hit the WTC? That multiple planes have been hijacked, and one/two have hit the WTC? That multiple planes have been hijacked, one/two have hit the WTC, and we should dispatch planes immediately? That everything is going according to plan, and to go ahead with the photo op, and we'll take care of things from here?

The first few, depending on what Condi knew, sound like something a real National Security Advisor would say. The last one makes the most sense to me. That IS what he did isn't it?

According to Gwen Tose'-Rigell, the principal of the school, she said that when he came out of the room, he told her, "a commercial plane has hit the World Trade Center, and we're going to go ahead and go on, we're going on to do the reading thing anyway."

What did she tell him? I want her under oath, attached to a lie detector. Both of them.


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After the first plane hit the Secret Service...

would have been notified (it was known there were "hijackings" before the 1st plane hit) and Bush's trip to the Booker School would have been cancelled -- that is to say IF whoever they were getting their orders from wasn't 'in on it' and knew the Booker school wasn't a target.
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That's what should...

Have happened. Wasn't there a video clip of a secret service agent saying something like, "I got into the office at 7am, and I got a call. Someone mentioned there might be a hijacking this morning."

Or something like that?

What was Bush's official account?

Edit: This is what I'm looking for... From the 9/11 Report.

The President was seated in a classroom when, at 9:05, Andrew Card whispered to him: “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.”The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis.The press was standing behind the children; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.

The President remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading. He then returned to a holding room shortly before 9:15, where he was briefed by staff and saw television coverage. He next spoke toVice President Cheney, Dr.Rice, NewYork Governor George Pataki, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. He decided to make a brief statement
from the school before leaving for the airport.The Secret Service told us they were anxious to move the President to a safer location, but did not think it imperative for him to run out the door


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That does sound familiar

but I have no idea where I heard it.

As far as Bush is concerned, his official account is that he first learned about the attack when he saw a plane hit on an imaginary television as he was entering Sandra K. Daniels' 2nd grade classroom. He's on record at least twice stating this.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
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I found it...

Uploading now.

Edit: Here it is. It's a .swf file. dz, could you please host this? I did not make this video. I do not remember where I got it from. I don't know if it's edited or anything. One would have to buy the original documentary to be sure.

For those that don't know, a .swf file is a compiled .fla file. You need a flash player, or a compatible browser in order to view it.


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Thank you...

And um, can you change the original link up there? :D

Edit: Thanks again.


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WOWZA

So the Secret Service was on alert that there was a hijacking and they let Bush go to an unsecured location that had been reported in the press before 9/11/01???

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That's...

The impression I get from that video. But as I said, we need to make sure it's not edited, or find a transcript of that show.

Here's the show...

http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/channel/secretservice/


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Re your Edit, Jon

Ok yes the official account was that Andy Card told him that America was under attack in the classroom, BUT Bush said at least twice publicly that he didn't know about the first plane hitting the WTC until he saw it on TeeVee as he was entering the classroom.

This is a proven lie and he should be impeached for it IMHO.

According to several sources there weren't any teevees near that classroom.

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I find...

It is best to lay out the official story first, and then deconstruct it based on the other available information.


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There is a TV in this

There is a TV in this picture... but I do not know if this was taken before or after he entered the classroom. (Or if it matters since it would not change that he lied about how he "first learned" and chose to read about a goat instead of acting.)

 

Anyone seen this?

http://www.marist.edu/magazine/fall02/bush.jpg

I found this picture here: :

http://www.marist.edu/magazine/fall02/securing.html

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President George W. Bush was visiting Emma Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., when he learned that an airliner had struck the World Trade Center. Among those with the president (second from left) at the school were (left to right) Capt. Deborah Loewer, U.S. Navy, director of the White House Situation Room, National Security Agency; White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett; Blake Gottisman, personal aide to the president; and Thomas Herman 75, a U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and senior presidential communications officer assigned to the White House.

That was taken after Bush left Sandra Daniels' classroom..

That pic was taken in a nearby holding room after the 2nd plane hit. I believe there is even a link to it on the White House's website explaining this - and talking about how both towers can be seen burning in the background on the teevee - which proves it was taken after Bush entered the classroom to read my pet goat w/ school children. I also have proof that he entered the 2nd grade classroom before anyone in his staff at Booker Elementary knew about the 2nd plane hitting..

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Ok, thanks for the

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I look forward to seeing the clip when you get it put together.

You're very welcome

And to prove my point that there wasn't a teevee near the classroom and that Bush entered it before the 2nd plane hit....

New York Post, September 12th 2002
Teacher relives moment Bush- and her kids- got the news

"...at Emma E. Booker Elementary School, teacher Sandra Daniels recalled yesterday how she and her class learned of the terror attacks- when a Secret Service agent rushed into the room to inform the president of United States.

President Bush had been presiding over her reading class last 9/11, when a Secret Service agent interrupted the lesson and asked, "where can we get a television?".

"The President bolted right out of here and told me: "take over", Daniels told the Post yesterday...

The New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/09112002/56883.htm

And...

(9:03 a.m.) According to Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill, just after Bush enters a Booker Elementary classroom, a Marine responsible for carrying Bush's phone walks up to Balkwill, who is standing in a nearby side room. While listening to someone talk to him in his earpiece, the Marine asks, "Can you get me to a television? We're not sure what's going on, but we need to see a television." Three Secret Service agents, a SWAT member, the Marine and Balkwill turn on the television in a nearby front office just as Flight 175 crashes into the WTC. "We're out of here," the Marine tells Balkwill. "Can you get everyone ready?" [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02]
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

And...

I had the opportunity to talk with Principal Gwen Rigell of Booker Elementary school for about twenty minutes. ... I asked her if in fact the President had been watching the events of 9-11 unfold on TV before he went into that classroom and she told me "Absolutely not". There was no TV in the corridor or anywhere near that classroom
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/booker_principal.htm

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Yet another..........Sonya Ross

Flying With Bush

By SONYA ROSS
Associated Press Writer

It began as one of the most ordinary of trips with the president. He was talking about education at a time when everyone else wanted to talk about the economy. The stories out of Florida were hardly Page One material.

That all changed Tuesday morning. My cell phone rang as President Bush's motorcade coursed toward Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla. A colleague reported that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center in New York. No further information.

I called the AP desk in Washington, seeking details. Same scant information. But I knew it had to be grim. I searched for a White House official to question, but none was on hand until 9:05 a.m. Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, walked into S. Kay Daniels' second grade classroom, where the president was observing a reading lesson. He whispered something to Bush, and the color drained from the president's face. Bush looked at the children, at the cameras, at the children again. Card stood off to the side briefly, then left the room. Bush picked up a textbook in an attempt to follow the lesson, his concentration gone.

Continues..............

"For nearly two hours we speculated about where we might be, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, Kentucky. White House aides asked us to refrain from using our cell phones and pagers so the signals wouldn't alert terrorists to the president's whereabouts."

http://www.nabj.org/newsroom/special_reports/911/story/426p-569c.html

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Hmmm... What kind of terrorists could track down Air Force One using cell phone and pager signals of individuals (in the press pool?)

Could "terrorists" know who was on the plane in order to track them? Especially since there was only a small contingent allowed to remain on board.

I had never seen that quote before. It seems like an odd statement for a "White House aide" to make.

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"White House aides asked us to refrain from using our cell phones and pagers so the signals wouldn't alert terrorists to the president's whereabouts."

- Sonya Ross

 

 

 

 

 

 

That...

Actually makes sense to me. It sounds like a "standard operating procedure" on the part of the Secret Service. Something they would do to protect the Prez. I've always wondered if the Bush crew that day was told certain things to keep him out of D.C.

At what point did the "Angel warning" come into play?

September 12, 2001: Threat to Air Force One? Stories Conflict
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer explains that President Bush went to Nebraska because “[t]here was real and credible information that the White House and Air Force One were targets.” The next day, William Safire of the New York Times writes, and Bush’s political strategist, Karl Rove, confirms, that the Secret Service believed “‘Air Force One may be next,’ and there was an ‘inside’ threat which ‘may have broken the secret codes [i.e., showing a knowledge of presidential procedures].’” [New York Times, 9/13/2001 pdf file] By September 27, Fleischer begins to backpedal on the claim that there were specific threats against Air Force One and/or the president, and news stories flatly contradict it. [Washington Post, 9/27/2001] A well-informed, anonymous Washington official says, “It did two things for [Cheney]. It reinforced his argument that the president should stay out of town, and it gave George W. an excellent reason for doing so.” [Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001] By 2004, a Bush spokesperson says there was no threat, but Cheney continues to maintain that there may have been. Cheney also claims the Secret Service passed him word of the threat, but two Secret Service agents working that day deny their agency played any role in receiving or passing on such a threat. The threat was allegedly based on the use of the word “Angel,” the code word for Air Force One, but Secret Service agents later note that the code word was not an official secret, but a radio shorthand designation that had been made public well before 2001. [Wall Street Journal, 3/22/2004 pdf file]


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That very well could be

That very well could be true. It could have been a protocol.

I just find it suspicious when looking at it in a historical context of what was known at the time.

"Threats of a suicide skyjacking were known at the Genoa G-8 summit in July of 2001. The Italian government ringed the city of Genoa and the airport with anti-aircraft guns and missiles because of a known Al Qaeda plot to assassinate George W. Bush and other world leaders. (LA TIMES, September 27, 2001)"

It just seems like that request is pretty illogical given the PDB and the fact that "the system was blinking red" that "Al Qaeda" was "determined to strike".

Unless of course it was a "known known" that "Al Qaeda" had acquired sophisticated cave devices for tracking Presidential airplanes and furthermore had influenced the lottery pick of which reporters could have been on the plane to potentially be tracked by signals picked up with such devices.

Who knows? It may have just been a standard thing to say at the time... but it sure doesn't read that way now.

Absofrigginlutely...

The very fact that there is SO MUCH information that indicates they were WELL AWARE of what was going on, makes me question all of their, "we had no idea what to do, or what was going on, blah blah blah" rhetoric.


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Card could not have said that

I know this seems like a minor detail, but there is no way Andrew Card said, “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.” Watch the video. Time it. Impossible. He barely has time to say one of those sentences.

And for the life of me I can't make out Bush's response. Wouldn't you nod to indicate you understood what was said? Wouldn't you do something? Bush just has that frozen look.

Ever see this?

The commentary isn't complete, but this stood out to me.

MR. RUSSERT: What's the most important decision you think he made during the course of the day?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the--I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft.

MR. RUSSERT: And you decided?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time. It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate.

Intercept or shoot down? It seems to me an intercept should be automatic.


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Jon this too...

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Which turned out to be Flight 77. It left Dulles, flown west towards Ohio, been captured by the terrorists. They turned off the transponder, which led to a later report that a plane had gone down in Ohio, but it really hadn't. Of course, then they turned back and headed back towards Washington. As best we can tell, they came initially at the White House and...

MR. RUSSERT: The plane actually circled the White House?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Didn't circle it, but was headed on a track into it. The Secret Service has an arrangement with the F.A.A. They had open lines after the World Trade Center was...

MR. RUSSERT: Tracking it by radar.

VICE PRES. CHENEY: And when it entered the danger zone and looked like it was headed for the White House was when they grabbed me and evacuated me to the basement. The plane obviously didn't hit the White House. It turned away and, we think, flew a circle and came back in and then hit the Pentagon. And that's what the radar track looks like. The result of that--once I got down into the shelter, the first thing I did--there's a secure phone there. First thing I did was pick up the telephone and call the president again, who was still down in Florida, at that point, and strongly urged him to delay his return.

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Yeah...

That part of the Russert interview I've heard/read 100x. The other part wasn't as familiar to me.


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What Did Card Really Whisper to Bush on 9/11?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/card_bush.html

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After the first plane hit the Secret Service...

I thought the first plane hit WTC1.

< /nyuk>

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Yeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaawwwww!

Giddyup stallion4!

I'm looking forward to this one.

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Me too

But I really do need a qualified editor's help for this to do it right. Dem Bruce Lee Styles? Arie? Don't be offended if I left your name out. Speak up!

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How many hours are we

How many hours are we talking about? If it's not a huge project I'd be happy to help out. Email me at reocat@telus.net

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

SWEET!

No not hours, Danse. I'm thinking less than ten minutes (the length of the video that is. Put as much time into the project that you want). I'll email ya with details

EDIT:

OK I sent everything to that email addy. Lemme know if you didn't get it.

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Um...

Could you send it to me pretty please? So's I can see it? I won't show it to anyone.

Gold9472@comcast.net


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honway posted a link to the vid a few posts down, Jon.

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off topic......

im sorry, but does anybody know who William Veale is and what this is from?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7BSt9jhxPQ&mode=related&search=

on Veale...

...you could start with his blog here:

http://www.vealetruth.com/

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Off topic...sort of...

I have sent five emails to the hog (Michael Moore) and have yet to receive a reply with respect to acknowledging 911 Truth.

WTF? He got everyone on the bandwagon with F-911. Why has he been hiding behind the left-wing gatekeeper crowd?

The news here ties right in with the whole My Pet Goat joke. If he questioned Bush's actions then, why doesn't he do it now?

I beg you all. EMail him. Flood him. Goad him into action.

mike@michaelmoore.com

good luck!

You're gonna need it. Alex Jones asked Moore why Moore wasn't asking the tough questions about 9/11 and Moore answered that it "would be un-American". Footage is in one of Alex's movies; Terrorstorm, I think.

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I can guarantee

That she was the one to relay the info prior to the President going into that classroom. The news did not come from White House sources or via the Secret Service.

I'm betting that he was supposed to go into the classroom without a clue and Kia threw a wrench into the plan of unawareness. I'm guessing that he was supposed to get the news of both plane crashes while in front of National TV. When she told him before he acted in a calm manner but she ruined the plan of how he was supposed to find out.

She ruined the plan of reaction because he didn't react to the first news. In reality he should not have gone ahead with his appearance without seeking more information upon finding out that the WTC has been hit by a plane. If you consider the amount of foreknowledge that we know that they had it becomes that much more strange.

But with the plan interrupted, Bush shows his incompetence and lack of mind when he could not develop a contingency plan for this unexpected information. They had planned his response. They laid out the likely events of how and when he would receive the information. When she told him before it ruined their plan.

In reality he could have still responded like they had planned. Another possible show of his incompetence. He could have gone ahead as planned but he thought that by recieving the info too soon that he had to try and change the plan. Unfortunately he couldn't. Fell flat on his face.

Such a puppet that he couln't even muster the proper human response to this type of situation. More proof that he knew exactly what was happening. They had to plan his response instead of relying on real human response. If seems as if he has met something that they didn't expect: conscience.

It's clear that they wanted that exact producer with them when this happened. In a time like this is it common practice to take news producers with them on Air Force One? They wanted her there. I'm guessing Jon Roberts was in the right place too. Is he CFR?

They wanted where they were just like they wanted all those people on a secure Air Force base playing golf with Warren Buffet.
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Off topic

When explaining the why, where and how to a person new to 9/11 truth it's difficult to find a decent reference place - like a dictionary or wiki of 9/11 and all of the circumstances leading up to and surrounding it.

Does any know of anything like this ? the whole kaboodle in one spot - sure would be handy.

9/11 Timeline at CooperativeResearch.org

While there isn't a source with everything in one place, Paul Thompson's 9/11 Timeline is fairly comprehensive.

Your question, of course, is the classic problem for 9/11 Truth. Most people direct newbies to David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" and "Omissions and Distortions" as decent places to start. I don't accept everything DRG believes, but he's the best general source, well researched and written.

A 9/11 Truth Wiki

If it's generally agreed this is a classic problem for 9/11 Truth why not begin a 9/11 Truth wiki ?

Everyone can contribute both for and against - posted facts can be challenged by debunkers if they feel the need.

It would surely help move the entire movement forward and get unprecedented exposure.

Any thoughts ?

Video of John Cochran quote

For the recorded live video of the exchange, click the link below. The quote occurs at 4:13 into the video.

http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110912-0954

yep that's it

Now let's hope they don't 'pull it' like they did when the bbc/wtc7 story broke.

FYI to anyone, I'm looking for the best quality video download for this report. The above is a stream and the clip I have downloaded isn't the greatest of quality:
http://rapidshare.com/files/27684497/abc_archiveorg_clip.zip.html

I also downloaded the torrent from ConCen, but the video came out choppy. Not sure if it was on my end, though. Here's the link for others to check it out to see if the vid is good. I'm not going to try to DL it again because it took forever the first time I tried:

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.html?info_hash=d613699a36e8201b5...

Cochran's report aired on ABC at 9:17AM EDT 9/11/01

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S4, I believe arie has that footage...

He has his "contact email" turned off...


Maybe dz, SBG or Rep could contact him for you...


He rips from the Mpegs very well...

If you get him the file info, start rip from "N" mins in, for "X" mins length.

He should be able to get you a very high quality XviD clip...

arie are you around ?? anyone know how to contact him ???

He's your best bet for the high quality rip !!!

Great job S4, looking forward to your vid too...

That archive has proved a goldmine :-)

Best wishes and good luck with the project

Here's the high quality ABC footage

Here's the XviD (deinterlaced 640x480)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=28KDSX22

Here's the cut from the original MPEG2 (not reencoded 480x480 interlaced)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=02PZT9VT

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THANK YOU ARIE!!

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Could this also be the source of a LC2E error?

Peter Jennings referred to the Crash of the B25 in Manhattan at about 5:20 in that clip as a B52. If Peter Jennings made this mistake on live television, I can see why Dylan may have as well. Good rebuke when the screwloosechange crowd tries to make that point. ;-)

either way there is no

either way there is no reason to compare the b25 hitting empire state to the 767 hitting the twin towers.

totally different.

it's like comparing that bridge collapse to the tower collapse.

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Look

I saw an Air Force fueling plane leaving the local base the other day. It flew right over the interstate no higher than 300 feet altitude. I had to look and look at that plane before I realized that it was not a commercial airliner. The neutral grey paint was very difficult to get an accurate read of that actual color or paint scheme.
Looked just like any other large commercial plane.... but it did have 4 engines. Looked brand new.
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Nailing down the times...

...is exceedingly important. Looking at the SS response with Bush and Cheney and how it appears to differ SIGNIFICANTLY can be indicative of prior knowledge and potential threat (or lack thereof). I now believe this is especially true considering that the SS was aware of a hijacking threat early in the morning before one had actually occured.

Cheney has been quoted on several ocassions as to how the SS aggressively whisked him away to safety. To my knowledge, that was NEVER the case with Bush. Instead, Bush was initially left dangling and then later lollygagged at the school, significantly diminishing his safety and ANYONE near him as well.

This thread has added a number of previously missing pieces of the puzzle. I hope that they are not lost again on Danse and stallion4's cutting room floor.

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The military knew there were hijackings by at least 8:40AM EDT

http://web.archive.org/web/20011118192054/http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspe...

"Another response-time question involves American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to hit the World Trade Center. The New York Times reported that air controllers first knew at about 8:20 a.m. that there had been a probable hijacking of that plane. But the FAA didn't notify the military until 20 minutes later, according to a North American Aerospace Defense Command document."

More info here:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/01_31_02_911murder_sect3.html

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And another

I found this as well, probably just moments later.

More Bush on 9/11 

What's the caption on that pic

Something about both towers burning in the background right? It was taken after he was escorted from Sandra Daniels' classroom to a nearby holding room long after the 2nd plane had already hit.

Never mind. Here it is:

As Director of Communications Dan Bartlett points to news footage of the World Trade Center Towers burning, President George W. Bush gathers information about the attack at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., Sept. 11, 2001. Also photographed are Director of White House Situation Room, National Security Council, Deborah Loewer (directly behind the President) and Senior Advisor Karl Rove (right).
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/september11/

The clock on the wall also reads "10:25". And we know that Bush entered the classroom AFTER the 2nd plane hit:

(9:03 a.m.) According to Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill, just after Bush enters a Booker Elementary classroom, a Marine responsible for carrying Bush's phone walks up to Balkwill, who is standing in a nearby side room. While listening to someone talk to him in his earpiece, the Marine asks, "Can you get me to a television? We're not sure what's going on, but we need to see a television." Three Secret Service agents, a SWAT member, the Marine and Balkwill turn on the television in a nearby front office just as Flight 175 crashes into the WTC. "We're out of here," the Marine tells Balkwill. "Can you get everyone ready?" [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02]
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday
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That picture looks SOOOO Staged...

Is that Karl Rove to the right ???

Thanks

Bush Knew the First Jet Crash was an Attack

As ABC reported, Bush knew about the first plane striking the World Trade Center before he even went to Booker Elementary School. Yet the FAA knew almost immediately after the planes went of course that there were hijackings (since at any rate, that's the official default assumption when planes go off course and stop responding). Certainly after the first jet strike it would have been obvious to everyone of significance in the chain of command that the U.S. is under attack. And it's totally implausible that the Secret Service wouldn't have been immediately kept informed about such hostile air activity in the U.S. Indeed, Vice-President Dick Cheney unwittingly confirmed this very thing on NBC's "Meet the Press" on September 16, 2001.

In other words, President Bush, Jr. knew that the U.S. was under attack by jetliners and that the first jet crash was an intentional attack even before he went to Booker Elementary School.

The below is an excerpt from page 166 in Chapter 5, "The Collapse of Standard Operating Procedures on 9-11," of The War on Freedom by Nafeez Ahmed:

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George Bush Jr.'s response illustrated a similar indifference. The New York Press continues to note that meanwhile, in Florida, "just as President Bush was about to leave his hotel he was told about the attack on the first WTC tower. He was asked by a reporter if he knew what was going on in New York." ABC News has confirmed this. John Cochran, who was covering the President's trip, informed Peter Jennings on ABC TV:

"He [the President] got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it [i.e. a statement] later."[353]

As the Press reports, "He said he did, and then went to an elementary school in Sarasota to read to children."[354] Another statement from Vice-President Cheney provides further insight into this: "The Secret Service has an arrangement with the FAA. They had open lines after the World Trade Center was ..." Cheney never finished his sentence, but it is obvious that he had meant to say something along the lines of "hit."[355]
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Notes to the above:

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309. Szamuely, George, 'Nothing Urgent,' New York Press, Vol. 15, No. 2, www.nypress.com/15/2/taki/bunker.cfm
353. Special Report, 'Planes Crash into World Trade Center,' ABC News, 11 September 2001, 8:53 AM ET.
354. Szamuely, George, 'Nothing Urgent,' op. cit.
355. NBC, 'Meet the Press,' 16 September 2001.
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"ABC News Special Report: 'Planes crash into World Trade Center,'" ABC News, coverage begins 8:53 AM Eastern Time, September 11, 2001 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/abcnews091101.html

"Nothing Urgent," George Szamuely, New York Press, Vol. 15, Issue 2 (January 8, 2002) http://www.nypress.com/15/2/taki/bunker.cfm
http://www.nypress.com/print.cfm?content_id=5693

The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked, September 11th, 2001 by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, foreword and afterword by John Leonard (Joshua Tree, California: Tree of Life Publications, 2002), ISBN: 0-930852-40-0 (0930852400) http://www.williambowles.info/911/warfre-book.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/nafeez-mosaddeq-ahmed-the-war-on-freed...

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Transcript of the Cheney Meet The Press Interview

Transcript of "Meet The Press" interview of Vice President Dick Cheney by Tim Russert, NBC News, September 16, 2001 http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp2001091...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcript...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/attacked/transcripts/cheney0...
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/meetthepress091601.html

Below is the relevant excerpt from the transcript:

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VICE PRES. CHENEY: Didn't circle it, but was headed on a track into it. The Secret Service has an arrangement with the F.A.A. They had open lines after the World Trade Center was...
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look how early!

The New York Press continues to note that meanwhile, in Florida, "just as President Bush was about to leave his hotel he was told about the attack on the first WTC tower.

Was he perhaps "sitting" several miles "outside the classroom" -- at his hotel?

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Thanks, this deserves

Thanks, this deserves further emphasis!

The below is an excerpt from page 166 in Chapter 5, "The Collapse of Standard Operating Procedures on 9-11," of The War on Freedom by Nafeez Ahmed:

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George Bush Jr.'s response illustrated a similar indifference. The New York Press continues to note that meanwhile, in Florida, "just as President Bush was about to leave his hotel he was told about the attack on the first WTC tower. He was asked by a reporter if he knew what was going on in New York." ABC News has confirmed this. John Cochran, who was covering the President's trip, informed Peter Jennings on ABC TV:

"He [the President] got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it [i.e. a statement] later."[353]

As the Press reports, "He said he did, and then went to an elementary school in Sarasota to read to children."[354] Another statement from Vice-President Cheney provides further insight into this: "The Secret Service has an arrangement with the FAA. They had open lines after the World Trade Center was ..." Cheney never finished his sentence, but it is obvious that he had meant to say something along the lines of "hit."[355]

The point about Dubya

The point about Dubya claiming to have seen the first attack on TV isn't that there wasn't a teevee around.
The point is that it is impossible for this to be true because the first attack wasn't shown on TV until the next day when the Naudet-brothers
(who just coincidentally happened to be out checking a non-existent gas-leak with the FDNY)
footage was released.

Here's what Dubya said, taken from the White House's
website :

"you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works.I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower,the TV was obviously on.I said,it must have been a horrible accident."
George W.Bush claims to have seen the first attack on TV
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

and no, it can't be the second attack that he meant, as that was the one Andy Card told him about on camera ..

I hear ya Peter

But the apologists have always tried to say that Bush was confused and was talking about the 2nd plane and thought it was the first plane.

BUT since we can prove that the 2nd plane didn't hit until he entered the classroom AND that there wasn't a teevee anywhere near the classroom, he MUST be lying either way.

I think he made up the story about seeing it on teevee because it made him look worse than he already did - because if it was common knowledge that he heard about the first plane back at his hotel there would have been no exuse for him to not have immediately cancelled his plans to go to the Booker school where he had a scheduled television speaking engagement at 9:30AM - well over an hour after the first "hijacking".

That's where the stage was set -- at the school -- where the cameras were waiting for him.

I believe the original plan was to have him learn about the attack at the school and then to put himself in front of all those cameras to do his little spiel about the attack and then do his "moment of silence" routine.

The reporter who asked him about it back at the hotel wasn't part of the plan. The reporter prolly got a call on his/her cell about the first plane as Bush was getting into his limo to leave for the school and the reporter decided to ask him about it and Bush said he knew what was going on in New York and "would have something about it later" - at the school where he was already planning to speak about it..

It would be nice to have that reporters's name, but we don't. All we have is John Cochran who was at the hotel and witnessed the reporter ask the question.

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Or Bush saw it on "closed-circuit TV"

From a special camera "they" used to capture and view the events. (from the White House, or DOD, or wherever) This is a possibility. And I believe this is where the "I saw the first plane hit on TV" came from. But it's only a belief on my part, as usual (as beliefs go), without any corroborating evidence or proof.

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"The president's classroom

"The president's classroom visit started on schedule, but there was something terribly wrong, and you could read it on his face. Kia Baskerville is a CBS News producer.

KIA BASKERVILLE (CBS News Producer): We, at that point--I mean, we knew that at least one plane at that time had hit the World Trade Center.

PLANTE: As the horror unfolded, presidential counselor Karen Hughes watched from Washington.

Ms. KAREN HUGHES (Former Counselor to the President) : I thought accident, small plane. And immediately said, 'Have you--does the president know?'

Unidentified Reporter: Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of a plane crashing in New York? Is there anything...

Unidentified Man: All right. Thank you, sir. Won't you please step outside?

President GEORGE W. BUSH: We'll talk about it later.

PLANTE: Sonya Ross was the Associated Press reporter on the presidential trip that day.

When did you really know how serious it was?

Ms. SONYA ROSS (Associated Press): At first I was thinking this is an isolated type thing. It--just the World Trade Center. We're gonna go back to Washington and be here at the White House and figure out how things happened and went so wrong.

PLANTE: As the children read for the president, his staff learned that the second tower had been hit. Chief of Staff Andrew Card delivered the urgent message to Mr. Bush.

Mr. ANDREW CARD (White House Chief of Staff): When I walked up to the president in Florida and whispered in his ear, a second plane hit the second tower, America is under attack. And a lot changed that moment."

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:LSqn72BwjdsJ:www.nabj.org/newsroom/...

So Bush had knowledge before He entered the school.

He claimed to have seen the FIRST crash and seen it on TV.
Check; First crash not shown until the next day, and no TV was in the school at the time he said he had seen this. 2nd plane has not crashed yet.
Dick Cheney was whisked away to safety, while Bush was not.
The Secret Service had an open line to what was going on after the planes were hijacked, therefore at the time Bush walked into the school they had a pretty good idea what was going down. The SS must not like Bush very much....or they knew, via Cheney, that he was in no danger.
Notwithstanding in all this is the many previous warnings of immanent attacks, including Chevoneeza's PDB to Bush one month prior, the title of which stated: "Bin Laden planning attacks in U.S. with hijacked planes".
"What a terrible pilot??" What a terrible President.

The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

in the interest of accuracy:

The title was actually "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." The text did discuss airplane hijackings, but that was not in the title.

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Where did the other thread

Where did the other thread go ?