Subsitute CIA for al Qaeda and it makes more sense..

"Boss, the sheeple are waking up, its time to install alittle more fear into them to keep them in line"

assuming the truth about 9/11 is about to come out, the CFR realizes Mossad may go for broke. Since they don't WANT a war with Iran, they'll need to be able to explain any false-flag implicating Iran away as al Qaeda being bad again. that way you don't actually have to do anything about it because al Qaeda is in the shadows. That's the mindfuck for ya! it basically supports the thesis that it WAS Mossad behind 9/11--otherwise why give Iran this out? It just doesn't make sense any other way.

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the neocons and israel. it's beyond obvious at this point. frame al Qaeda, frame Iran, frame the saudis, frame Patsystan. all we ever hear is about arab and or muslim nations and people doing one bad thing or another. where is israel in all this? standing on the sidelines? my foot. In fact, look up Bernard-Henri Levy, the sole source for the Patsystani wire transfer story, and you'll see he is a pompous french zionist neocon. he has been criticized for a malicious portrayal of Paksitan in his book on Daniel Pearl, he even went so far as to dramatize the contents of Pearl's thoughts before he died. WTF? This guy is a journalist? Well yeah, AND France's "special envoy" to Afghanistan. Let's see, he also is quoted as saying "God is dead. But my hair looks great." and that "the veil is an invitation to rape." The man is in other words as sick a neocon psychopath as any Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, or Feith. Or the folks from www.saneworks.us. or www.iasps.org

It's time to face the ugly truth. 9/11 was a Zionist/Neocon plot, as have been the 9/11 wars. And it will end, one way or another. It's up to you to decide how much longer to draw out this farce.

Just remember--Israel has nukes, and is the one nuclear power that has not signed the non-proliferation treaty. It has never even admitted to having them. You can worry about the NWO all you want. Quite frankly? If you ignore the threat that Israel poses you are betraying the United States and you are betraying all peace loving people in the world, including innocent Israelis who are even more brainwashed than innocent Americans.

That's it. That's the story, and everything else is disinfo bullshit. Agree, disagree, it's your choice, and they will be your consequences as much as anyone else's.

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Hi RT,

I have no doubt both Zionists and Neocons are heavily involved in 9-11. The dancing Israelis, Mossad neighbors of the alleged hijackers and the subsequent propaganda alleging Arabs as the new "enemy" paint the Zionists in the picture. The Neocons are running the show in the GWB administration and have provided public documents that implicate them in the conspiracy. I think however of both parties as executioners, operators who planned and executed the deed.

I have doubts that the buck stops with them. I think of 9-11 as part of a continuing set of actions that stretch back to include at least the the Oklahoma City bombing. I think of that event as sort of a dry run, an experiment at executing mass deception using buildings destroyed by alleged terrorists from the outside while actually being felled by pre-planted explosives on the inside. At the time of this event, the Neocons had not quite reached their current strength and I think the non Neocons in Gov't would have blown the whistle if only the Neocons and Zionists were behind that plot.

In the Oklahoma City bombing, I do not see a clear interest for the Neocons or the Zionists to pursue this complex plot. I could be wrong however.

Given the case above, I think that a more powerful group was ultimately behind both 9-11 and Oklahoma City. This group is more influential than the Neocons which seem to be reliant on allies in the Republican Party. Whoever this group is, it is capable of controlling both Republicans and Democrats and clearly cooperates with the Zionists as well.

In any case, since you feel very strongly that Neocons and the Zionists are behind the whole 9-11 plot, please shed more light on what makes you think so. As I've said, I can be mistaken and would like a better picture of the whole conspiracy. Your informed opinion is highly appreciated.

The CFR is trying it's darndest to contain the damage being done by a bunch of Israeli/Neocon radicals who have hijacked their agenda.

A shadowy group of terrists, al Qaeda, fits in great with the CFR plan of having afictional enemy to use to manipulate people. The control of Iraq, fine. Iraq was not a real country it was a pastiche of three different peoples carved out to serve the interests of western imperialists even after receiving nominal independence. The CFR is cool with that, as it was with actions against the basket case that is afghanistan.

Iran is totally different. It's a real country with a real history. I have been told this by Iranians in America. They left Iran because of the revolution, but they are VERY attached to their homeland nonetheless. In fact I recently had a conversation about 9/11 with a very serious and obviously well to do Iranian who told me that when 9/11 happened his mother told him "wait and you'll see--this was not the work of muslims" He said he had been skeptical until learning about the issues from me. He seemed very concerned. He said"something along the lines of "Look, of course we hate the government in Iran now, that's why we're here. But we don't want to see another Iraq in OUR country."

The CFR understands this. They are realists. They may be arrogant but they are not insane. I personally know prominent CFR members--they are not satan worshipping jackasses. They are run of the mill elitists who believe in breaking a few eggs to make an omlette--NOT in stomping through the henhouse and choking all the chickens. The crazies, which is what the neocons were always known as, are known to be rabidly and irrationally pro-Israel, meaning that they will pursue absurdly destructive policies in the belief that these are necessary to help Israel. They are machiavellian and literally nothing is off the table for them. They scare the bejeesus out of the CFR folks. Why? Because they are gambling with the CFR's capital by doing crazy shit that they know the CFR can't bring itself to expose because of the damage it will do to Israel.

They now realize that the neocons and Israeli right wing are capable of anything, including sparking a disastrous regional war by implicating Iran in a false flag attack. So they HAVE to use their regular bogeyman, al Qaeda, to help prevent the fallout that such a reckless move would trigger.

As for OKC, Clinton was a weak president. He had affairs, obviously, and a shady past in Arkansas. He had come out of nowhere no doubt based on the support of those who knew they would have them under his thumb. If you see the reports from the day of OKC, you'll note that Clinton's response seemed genuine. Since we know the truth was ultimately hidden, it stands to reason that Clinton discovered, or was informed, that he had better help cover up the truth. The truth in that case, again, may have been so potentially damaging that the choice was--do the right thing by exposing it and face the conseuqences of having your shadiness revealed, or go with the cover story and save your hide. Don't make us make you another JFK (he took a hard line against Israel and its pursuit of nuclear weapons and paid the price for that, among other things)

The Clintons have always been sycophantic supoprters of Israel. Hillary takes gobs of money from Larry S. Israel does not control America, but they have done a fine job of infiltrating our government at the very highest levels. What do you think explains AIPAC and the groveling that so many do there?

When did A Clean Break come out? Right around the time of OKC. What was its premise? Shared values and more independence of action for Israel. AMerica suffers a domestic terror attack? Shared values. WIth 9/11 they upped the ante--maybe because arab muslims (Nation of Islam) were not blamed for the attack, but instead a safe right wing white guy was picked in order to partially thwart the ZIonists' plan in that case.

The definition of chutzpah according to Jews is killing your parents and pleading for clemency because you are an orphan. Doesn't it sound familiar?

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Thanks RT,

I am not yet completely convinced, but I get your train of thought.

I'll keep your angle in mind when I research the topic further.

It's much harder to decipher motives and intent. But this is a necessary exercise.

Thanks again.

basically it's failing. no one wants to live there, the Palestinian natives have a higher birth rate... extreme measures had to be taken by those who wanted to avoid giving up the whole "exclusively Jewish state" thing. as has become obvious, the creation of Israel on stolen land was a bad idea, does nothing to ensure the safety of Jews in the world--makes them more unsafe in fact by virtue of feeling compelled to defend the actions of a corrupt rogue state. desperate times, desperate measures. the Masada complex.

Not to long from now the Zionist experiment will be declared a failure and we will be able to move on. Since it won't make sense to kick anyone out who wants to stay and is willing to live in peace, perhaps we will see a rebirth of the region as a center of spirituality and global harmony. Anyone who hopes for peace in the world must realize that we not only need to clean up the act of the corporatist fascist elites but also of the neo-colonial fanaticism that the Zionist state represents. We will move forward, and we have true reconciliation within reach, but only if we are honest in our quest for the truth. There will be plenty of blame to go around, and as soon as we start moving in the right direction many of us will turn our attention to doing everything possible to make a peaceful and just solution work for everyone--Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, gays, blacks, whites, asians, latinos... EVERYONE. Except for liars and greedy amoral mofos...

Until then, a non-violent war for truth is the only appropriate approach. The old order must be exposed and discarded before we can begin to build a better world.

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RT,

1) BHL is not the sole source for the wire transfer story. In fact, he's not a primary source, at all. Here Chaim Kupferberg's old write-up (2002) on the transfer comes in handy as a resource;

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP209A.html

2) Levy had trouble swallowing the official spin that Pearl was murdered simply because he was an American Jew journalist. "Killed by evil jihadis!" So he traveled to Pakistan to find out why he was killed.

What he believes, is that Pearl had stumbled over provable operational connections between ISI and "al Qaeda", better than what was circulating at the time.

That's when agent Sheikh stepped in, to stop Pearl dead in his tracks.

Skip the word "blowback" in the first paragraph at this link;

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27d/084.html

CIA > ISI > "al Qaeda"

We wouldn't want bad information like that to get around.

"The Times says Ahmad lost his job only after India shared with the FBI evidence showing a link between the general and Sheikh's wiring of funds to Atta.

J-e-M's accounts were frozen not long after Dennis M. Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit, confirmed the $100,000 transaction, if not the source.

"They wired over $100,000 into Mr. [Mohamed] Atta a year ago," he testified in October, not identifying who "they" were."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26249

I'm done with this thread.

This "my way or the highway" mentality does nothing productive for us.

The truth is none of us know the truth, and to act like we have the answers is a blatant misrepresentation of what the 9/11 Truth Community stands for.

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I suggest you look carefully and objectively at who is proposing a "my way or the highway" approach when it comes to examining Zionist involvement in 9/11 (a mirror might be useful.)

The truth is that there is tons of information out there yet to be considered (like why in the world Larry S would consort with the kind of people who make websites like iasps.org and saneworks.us) The question is why some Truthers discourage others from looking at and speaking about this information.

DHS for a while now, and he has never forced a belief on someone. Never. The truth is your friend stated something false, and he was called on it. But feel free to defend him.

DHS certainly doesn't "discourage others from looking at and speaking about" information.

He does discourage people from coming up with narratives out of their ass to suit their needs.

So do I.

I believe my post had to do not with "forcing beliefs" on people but with discouraging research and discussion on some topics.

Speaking of pulling narratives out of one's ass, a COHESIVE narrative pertaining to the wire transfer, as described by RT above, has yet to be clearly and definitively sourced. That is, not just sourced in terms of bits and pieces of information that are then made to hang together as a over-arching narrative. This may be a distinction that is hard to grasp for some people.

Have you checked out saneworks.us yet? What did you think?

You didn't read Chaim's piece. Plenty of sources to go around, and the narrative those sources produce is not rocket science. Mahmoud Ahmed ordered Omar Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta.

That isn't some fabricated narrative like the one sprouted by your friend.

Sure, I've looked at saneworks.us, and I think it's disgusting.

BTW... None of the original reports of the wire transfer even mention Levy or Kupferberg, which further shows your friend was wrong. Also, three of the four Indian articles that were not the Times Of India, DO NOT cite the Times Of India as their source.

So many smart people fell for this "obvious" Pakistan ploy. People like Michael Meacher, William Pepper, Carol Brouillet, and MANY others.

As reprehensor said, I'm done with this thread.

I strongly encourage independent research, but what I do not encourage is when folks will speak their minds about something as if it is 100% proven fact when it is nothing but assertive speculation.

You are entitled and encouraged to research possible "Zionist Involvement" just as much as those who look into Pakistan, or Controlled Demolition, or many other facets of research.

I don't claim to have ANY answer. None. All I can say is that the official narrative and the 9/11 Commission Report are a gross misrepresentation of what appears to have actually transpired before, during, and after the first plane crash.

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Assertive speculation is the work of BHL and CK, which they do seem to present because they think it is fact.

Pointing out flaws in arguments that others seem to think are credible is called debate.

Speculation based on a preponderance of evidence can be helpful, and speculation based on dubious uncorroborated sources is usually a waste of time or worse.

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Assertive speculation is also saying 9/11 was done by Zionists, and that "of course Israel was involved", and "of course it was controlled demolition".

These are no different than those who fervently promote no plane at the Pentagon, or Shanksville, or even the WTC for that matter.

What "preponderance of evidence" would you provide to support your assertions that "of course Israel was involved"?

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that which is self-evident. It is self-evident to anyone with a basic understanding of physics that the towers and building 7 were demolished deliberately.

I think I laid out the preponderance of evidence for Zionist/Israeli involvement here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/8291#comment-138745

certainly we could argue about the relative preponderance of evidence viz Israeli and Pakistani involvement, but to be frank I think it has been done and that most people would agree that objectively speaking Israel is a stronger suspect than Pakistan.

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i totally agree. now how about you stop taking shots at people that want to look into Israel and/or physical evidence? lets not have a double standard here.

which doesn't say much of anything, and I'm assuming you're done because that's the one source for any of the numbers above. so I too am done with this thread. thanks.

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He showed you that your statement, "the sole source for the Patsystani wire transfer story" was completely false and misleading. He did not question whether it was stated purposefully, or by mistake. He just showed that you are wrong.

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