Barrett Heading to Morocco to Apprehend Suicide Hijacker
GeorgeWashington Fri, 04/27/2007 - 5:34pm
An email from Kevin Barrett.
(Press Conference outside the office of Wisconsin Rep. Steve Nass, Room 12 West State Capitol, Madison, Wisconsin, Thursday, May 3rd, 10:30 a.m.)
Dr. Kevin Barrett, the University of Wisconsin lecturer who was denied a tenure-track position at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, hounded by Steve Nass and 61 state legislators, and handed a death threat by Bill O’Reilly—all because of his political opinions and religious identity—has opted for a new career: Fugitive Recovery Agent specializing in the apprehension of still-living 9/11 suicide hijackers.
Dr. Barrett will be traveling to Morocco May 6th to apprehend accused 9/11 hijacker Waleed al-Shehri, who, after allegedly stabbing a stewardess on a flight that crashed into the World Trade Center, returned to Casablanca and has reportedly been working as a pilot there ever since.
Barrett voiced his outrage that such a brutal, ruthless terrorist has been allowed to commit mass murder and suicide—and walk away scot free. “Waleed al-Shehri, I’m coming to get you!” Barrett vowed. “I don’t know how you got out of that plane alive, but that was the last miraculous escape you’ll ever make. You’re coming back to the US in handcuffs with me to face charges of mass murder and terrorism.”
According to the BBC and other sources, al-Shehri visited the US embassy in Rabat, Morocco after the 9/11 attacks and protested his innocence, while admitting that the photo and biography of the accused suicide hijacker were indeed his. But Barrett isn’t buying it. “What a lame alibi,” Barrett scoffed. “The 9/11 Commission Report says Waleed al-Shehri is the guy who, along with his brother Wail, ‘stabbed two unarmed flight attendants’ shortly before Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower. Alive or dead, if the 9/11 Commission says he did it, this guy should be apprehended, tried, and, if guilty, convicted of his crimes.”
As a badge-toting Fugitive Recovery Agent, Dr. Barrett is authorized to carry unusual weapons and use reasonable force to apprehend and deliver fugitives from justice. (Note: Wisconsin requires Fugitive Recovery Agents to be licensed, but no law prevents unlicensed agents like Dr. Barrett from working in other states or apprehending fugitives in foreign countries.)
Dr. Barrett says he will use no weapons in Morocco. He intends to apprehend Waleed al-Shehri nonviolently and persuade him to return to the US to have his day in court and try to clear his name. “I will tell him that he has a very good chance of convincing a jury that he has stabbed no stewardesses and flown no planes into any buildings. Hopefully he’d like to see this whole thing cleared up, rather than spending his life under the cloud of an act of suicide terrorism that he says he didn’t commit.”
Questions Linger About Alleged Hijackers’ Identities
According to Dr. Barrett, strong evidence indicates that the accused hijackers Waleed al-Shehri and Wail al-Shehri are indeed the sons of the Ahmed al-Shehri (alternative Roman alphabet spellings include Alshehri, al-Shri, etc.) who is a senior Saudi diplomat in Bombay, India. One of Ahmed’s sons is Waleed al-Shehri who has been protesting his innocence from Casablanca. This Waleed says he, like the alleged 9/11 suicide hijacker, has a brother named Wail, attended Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida—and that the picture of the alleged suicide hijacker offered by the 9/11 Commission is indeed a picture of him.
These facts, Dr. Barrett says, makes mincemeat of the report that the actual suicide hijackers were a different pair of brothers named Waleed and Wail al-Shehri. “Excuse me, but I think this guy knows his own photo,” Dr. Barrett said. “And what are the odds that there were two guys with identical photos who not only had the same name, but also had brothers named Wail, and who trained at the same flight school at the same time? And what are the odds that, if this were true, the situation would not even be mentioned, much less investigated, by the 9/11 Commission? Anyone who believes the BS about a second pair of brothers might as well blame 9/11 on Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.”
Barrett went further, calling the reports blaming a second Waleed and Wail al-Shehri “among the lamest disinformation efforts ever produced by any intelligence agency, anywhere.” A brief, extremely general story about the allegedly guilty second pair of brothers surfaced in the Saudi media following September 11th. “It reads like an intelligence agency press release,” Barrett said. “No biographical details, no extensive interviews, nada. Just a couple of paragraphs replete with generalities.”
The report citing the second pair of al-Shehri brothers was never looked into by the 9/11 Commission, which pointedly ignored all of the many questions about the alleged hijackers’ identities. Its only “confirmation” is a ludicrous propaganda piece by military-contractor-owned MSNBC, which sent pseudo-journalist John Hockenberry to Saudi Arabia, where he reported that a family named al-Shehri believes that brothers Waleed and Wail are dead—but that they could not have been the alleged 9/11 hijackers, having disappeared shortly before 9/11 and thus having neither the time nor the English skills to have been the al-Shehri brothers who trained in Florida. Hockenberry apparently did not ask why this family thinks the brothers in question are dead. If he had, the likely answer—“disappeared by covert operators”—could never have been reported on a military-industrial propaganda network like MSNBC.
Barrett points out that most of the reports pointing to the second pair of al-Shehri brothers are blatantly ignorant and/or dishonest. For example, the former German Intelligence Minister Andreas Von Bulow, who charges that 9/11 was a CIA--Mossad operation, was “rebutted” on al-Shehri via incoherent generalities in Der Spiegal. Here is a paragraph from that article:
If Bülow had inquired with the airline, he would have discovered that the name of the pilot who lives in Casablanca is Walid al-Shri and not, like that of the assassin, Walid al-Shari. This minor detail makes a big difference, namely the difference between a dead terrorist and a living innocent man. But to conspiracy theorists, discovering the truth is like solving a crossword puzzle for children: What's a four-letter word for a domesticated animal? Hrse.
What a load of hrse-sht! The Der Spiegal writer, too cowardly to sign his name, is either too stupid to know, or too dishonest to admit, what any first-year Arabic student understands: The same Arabic name can be transliterated in various ways. Al-Shahri, al-Shehri, al-Shari, etc. are one and the same name in Arabic, and this name is transliterated as al-Shri in Morocco, where pronunciation and transliteration tends to be heavily elided. The Der Spiegal writer, like virtually all “debunkers” who have written on 9/11, is either a liar or a moron or both. But this has not stopped the myth of the “different names” to spread around the internet, where it is routinely employed by those who accept the official conspiracy theory on faith, citing any false fact they can find in support of their delusion.
The evidence that many alleged hijackers were alive after 9/11 is overwhelming (Kolar) as is the evidence that the whole “hijacking” story was concocted out of forged evidence and ludicriously impossible cell phone calls. Barrett has pursued indirect inquiries to high-level officials in Saudia Arabia, who discretely confirm that several of the 10 alleged hijackers known to have survived 9/11 are currently residing in their country, but that journalists’ access to these individuals will not be granted unless US-Saudi relations deteriorate significantly.
Bottom line: The Waleed al-Shehri in Casablanca says the 9/11 Commission’s photo and biography are his, and that he’s the guy who trained in Daytona Beach. Fugitive Recovery Agent Dr. Kevin Barrett plans to apprehend him, bring him back alive, and turn him over to lawful authorities so that a proper investigation, of the kind never even attempted by the 9/11 Commission, can be conducted.
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I can't even get past the first lines...
without comment. This is great fun!!!
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Kevin, this is a great
Kevin, this is a great idea... but don't tell everyone your plans in detail!
They guys we're up against are serious and evil people. Be careful...
This should be taken down.
Come on people. We have to be more careful.
Don't we all come here to Blogger first thing each morning?
So do "they".
No upcoming actions of this sort should be announced in advance.
I agree with all of you!
It would be an AWESOME way to end Final Cut, clips of the nine that are still alive going about their lives...that would be great.
I just don't think tipping people off beforehand is a good idea.
Just my less than 2 cents worth.
Awesome... But SHUT UP!!
You REALLY shouldn't be announcing this in advance...
REMOVE THIS BLOG POST!
You guys need to realize that we are endangering both of these people's lives. This is not something to brag about, yet. What if something happens to them?! They will then make it seem like an accident. Come on! Please. Am I rational here?
You need to talk to the mods or dz
If you're this concerned--and you could be right--, then click the "contact us" under our logo and email any of the mods. They might not see your post in a timely fashion.
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i dont know, if Barrett is
i dont know, if Barrett is ok with it(and the e-mail was sent by him) then i dont see a problem.
Barrett said this publically
on his GCN radio show today. I don't think he's worried and it was a bit tongue-in-cheek on the "bounty hunter" aspect.
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Publicity?
Sounds like Kevin Barrett is the one who wants the publicity as far as scheduling a Press Conference etc. I appreciate the caution, but if the Man wants people to know the man wants people to know? Kevin is the one to be talking to in my opinion.
If he's asking for publicity
If he's asking for publicity then there shouldn't be an issue. Besides, letting people know his intentions is insurance. Don't think that his movements aren't already being tracked by our government. Tha NSA can listen to every conversation he has on the phone and over the computer (unless he's using some heavy duty encryption or anonymizers). Announcing his intentions will simply act as insurance in case something happens.
My only concern about announcing his intentions is that the US may revoke his VISA to leave the country. Let them. That will be all over the internet the minute he gets word of it.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Hee, hee, hee!
But everyone right--keep shtum, chum!
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This is what Dylan Avery should be doing
But at least someone is. Kevin, send the video to Dylan asap! LCFC is in the studio, man!
I don't know about cell phone calls and such, but I have always been confused by the BBC's explanation for "misidentifying" the hijackers. How could this be a case of mistaken identity, if the guy's photo was published with the story? What, Waleed doesn't recognize his own face?
Nice work, Kevin.
Yes, it would be nice if a video interview
with that "hijacker" were to come in from Kevin in time to make the final cut of Loose Change with Charlie Sheen.
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It is possible
It is possible that that is the plan. Whats to say that the LC guys aren't a part of this or have sometihing similar up their sleeve? So many possibilities! I am excited for the movement!
Beautiful Idea!
And we could go after all the alleged highjackers and get them on tape, apprehend them, or whatever else can be done to expose the 9/11 Commission claims to be fraudulent. Beautiful Idea Kevin. HOpe you inspire others to do the same. Brave too.
GREAT IDEA,and about time
Its good that someone is finally going to do some groudn investiogation of the alleged hijackers, who turned up alive after 9-11. Nobody has done it so far.
The names and photos of these men are STILL on the FBI site:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa11/11.htm
Kevin, you can take this FBI page to Al-Shehri, and pointedly ask him: IS THIS YOU?
This sort of investigation in which the alive suspects are confronted with the FBI pictures of them, needs to be done and made public.
What about the Dynamic Duo?
Will it become the Dynamic Uno?
This is amazing. This should
This is amazing. This should have been done, by someone, years ago. Thank you, Kevin. God bless.
Hopefully
Hopefully they dont get the water-board treatment while waiting for their court date.
Im not sure about trusting the feds with them.
I don't trust them either.
I don't trust them either. If he does find him, he will not be safe. I hope that the situation works out perfectly for everyone involved.
“Waleed al-Shehri, I’m
“Waleed al-Shehri, I’m coming to get you!” Barrett vowed. “I don’t know how you got out of that plane alive, but that was the last miraculous escape you’ll ever make. You’re coming back to the US in handcuffs with me to face charges of mass murder and terrorism.”
Priceless
I was wondering who had taken points away from half the comments
That was you! Well, I suppose everyone's got to have a hobby...
If there's anything I've learned in the past week it's that when anyone screams something like "you're just trying to get attention" while at the same time ignoring any documented, valid concerns or complaints, what they're trying to do is SHUT YOU UP.
Piss off, bitch.
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Are you a troll that's been
Are you a troll that's been in hiding? Nuts are in psychiatric hospitals not teaching in colleges or making coherent arguments. What he is offering is basic detective work that our own government has decided not to do (gee I wonder why...false flag op?...naaaaaah!)
The truth movement would be better off with out trolls and hired opposition like you. How could you possibly think your argument is going to sway any of us?
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
You sound like the bedunkers, resipsa.
"...but simply someone with the same name"
Yep, just as moronic as the bedunkers, especially considering that we were not only provided the alleged 'hijacker's' names but also their mug-shot from day one.
http://www.danzfamily.com/pictures/pictures02/hijackers.jpg
The official story is
The official story is ludicrous, and Barrett is exposing that fact. Since day one, the identity of the hijackers has been in question and nobody in the government or the 911 Whitewash commission seems to care.
Any yet they (the media, the government, same thing) display the same images of these people when trying to up the fear ante and sell wars to an ignorant public knowing full well that these people are still alive.
“The 9/11 Commission Report says Waleed al-Shehri is the guy who, along with his brother Wail, ‘stabbed two unarmed flight attendants’ shortly before Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower. Alive or dead, if the 9/11 Commission says he did it, this guy should be apprehended, tried, and, if guilty, convicted of his crimes.”
Do you really believe that the 911 Ommission could actually come to any conclusion as to who did what in those planes??? Making statements that these specific people were stabbing people is nothing but fiction. They actually named these guys as the ones stabbing people on the plane!!! This is more than a case of mistaken identity, this is a case of government propaganda and story telling to sell their fable.
Press Conference May 3rd.
Hopefully we can get someone to tape the May 3rd Press Conference in Madison and get it posted here soon after. We also need updates on Professor Barrett's flight to Morocco May 6th and the results of his trip there. This is a story with a timeline that must be followed up on. Great timeline to stay interested in!
HA!
HA!
Actually, wait...
For Barrett's safety, he would want to make this as public as possible. However, this will still endager Waleed. If he tried to be all quiet about it, and cloak and dagger, the spooks could disappear BOTH of them quietly.
Waleed al-Shehri's
potential confirmation and description of the events relating to his stolen passport could be a problem for him..
That Dr. Barrett is in the public eye is perhaps his best protection.
This action by Dr. Barrett is mostly powerful theatre but it may spring a fount of information relating to the fake hijackers.
It is remarkable to be able to laugh in the context of these issues. Great stuff!
It is truely amusing! ;-)
So, what got you involved in 911activism?
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OKAAAAY--paranoid MUCH?
Guess what, it's a public forum. You make a pubilc post, people can respond to it PUBLICALY. Because otherwise you're saying if you post shite, I have to let you slide, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
God damn it, I have not had the best week, so DO NOT start with me. I asked you a civil question out of curriousty(you've never posted in dz poll about how we got started in 911activism)--and you decide I'm out to get you? WTF?
You couldn't have just said something like "I prefer not to discuss it now"?
Do not try to intimidate me. As a certain debunk wanker found out, not only does it NOT work, but it back fires. What you just said sounded too much like something casseia was told off-line.
Right. You don't want to talk about it, I'll let it go. BUT DO NOT EVER TRY TO TELL ME WHO I CAN PUBLICLLY RESPOND TO ON A PUBLIC BLOG.
And as long as you behave, I'll ignore you from now on.
Do not piss me off.
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Why give in to silly provocations
in the middle of a brilliant blogthread concerning the actions of Dr. Kevin Barrett.
You do deserve a reply to what you just said but I'm not sure this is productive.
It does concern me however that you compare some email possibly sent by someone unknown to my post.
I believe this is underhanded and that you should make yourself accountable for such despicable behavior. I will contact DZ over whether this breaches any protocols.
IGNORING YOU
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WOW! My first ever hidden post! That took some work!
And doing the math, that means there's at least 4 trollish sorts lurking about.
Oh well, C'est la vie! ;-)
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Sparks, A concise history of your bullshit...
You started tailing me since the time I criticized Dylan Avery on this forum for smearing Dr. Barrett as an anti-semite and holocaust denier. Dylan Avery to his credit retracted his remarks.
You pretend now to be an educator of "truthers" regarding the "Nazi smear ruse" in your handbook "Battling Trolls On Enemy Blogs. "
So where the hell were you when I confronted "The Big Smear" on 9/11Blogger?
Acting like a true internet coward. Crowding my posts and tarring me as an enemy of the "truthers". Oh yeah, I called you a coward then too for ducking the issue you champion now, for fear of offending Hollywood.
If you actually had to look in my eyes all this crap would fall away.
Not hidden anymore-I brought ya back up :-)
MrEguy
Why take sides MrEguy
What purpose does that serve?
Not taking sides
Just voting up the Col's comment from being hidden :-) I'm interested in what everyone has to say. Try not projecting your own sense of judgment on others.
In one of the posts in this sub thread
an improper suggestion was made by Sparks. I believe that the message contained within it is highly offensive not only to me but to anybody who frequents this site.
Its important that people not casually vote up posts that contain defamatory slurs in the place of argument.
More later because I think I can effectually set an example with this.
What the person I'm ignoring doesn't know....
...is I've already gone to a higher AUTHORITY.
And lame attempts at baiting me won't work.
Now I'm done with this subthread--everyone be good--or at least as good as I am...;-)
BTW: I would respond to some moderately good questions the person I'm ignoring has--except I am honor bound to ignore them as I have said--unless they misbehave.
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Aw, nuts! I was going to frame that! ;-)
Cheers, mate!
Well, ALL of you, actually--that also took some work!
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Dude, you don't make any
Dude, you don't make any logical sense. You claim that this is a brilliant thread regarding Barrett's actions and on another thread when I offer my experience at reading microexpressions, which are thoroughly documented psychophysical phenomena, you call me silly.
Please pass the pipe this way when you're done with it.
"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Whitey I thought that particular idea
the one suggesting using a movie of Theresa Kerrys figity fingers, Kerrys defensive arms folded over his chest etc to prove that his mind contained specific thoughts about the coverup of WTC 7, was funny.
It was late and the room was smoky when I posted the last comment (on page 6) of the Kerry video blog thread which nobody saw.
" I'm waiting for the movie
Twitches and ass scratching prove Kerry planted the bombs himself. Check his ass for thermate residue on the strength of the psychologists analysis of Kerrys peculiar ass scratching method. He's got to be guilty!"
So yeah it was a joke and no disrespect to your basic idea around microexpressions. I just dont think it qualifies as irrefutable proof in the strict sense of legal justice.
I see what you mean,
consciousness, but the beautiful thing about this movement is that we are HYPER aware of the possibility of "black ops" and "accidental freak incidents" so should anything (God forbid) happen to a prominent member of the truth movement, foul play will IMMEDIATELY be suspected, and probably accurately. So Barret's announcing this publicly is most likely a good decision on his part.
Danger
I can easily imagine Barrett showing up in New York City with Waleed
and both being taken into custody and flown off to secret incarceration in Gitmo. With utter silence from the MSM.
Correction on Der Spiegel Signing Names
The Dr. Barrett article states:
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The Der Spiegal writer, too cowardly to sign his name ...
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Below are the authors of the Der Spiegel article:
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DOMINIK CZIESCHE, JÜRGEN DAHLKAMP, ULRICH FICHTNER, ULRICH JAEGER, GUNTHER LATSCH, GISELA LESKE, MAX F. RUPPERT
Translated by Christopher Sultan
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From:
"Panoply of the Absurd," Dominik Cziesche, Jürgen Dahlkamp, Ulrich Fichtner, Ulrich Jaeger, Gunther Latsch, Gisela Leske, Max F. Ruppert, translated by Christopher Sultan, Der Spiegel, Vol. 37 (September 8, 2003) http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,druck-265160,00.html
For extensive documentation on the named "9/11 hijackers" training on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, see the below article by me:
"9/11 'Hijackers' Trained on U.S. Military Bases," James Redford, Infowars.net, February 24, 2007 http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/250207Hijackers.htm
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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf
Great Idea...
i have heard as well that up to 5 or 6 "hijackers" are still alive. these must be some very sophisticated terrorists...they are able to make NORAD stand down, make incredible maneuvers with jumbo jets, penetrate pentagon air space and crash into the most protected building in the world without being shot at, and to top it all off they commit suicide without dying. GOOD LUCK KEVIN, this would be huge for 9/11 truth.
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-George W. Bush November 11, 2001
Why didn't someone think of this sooner?
Kevin Barret has a good idea about "getting the hijackers", although I agree that telling the world about it is a stupid move, wait scratch that, I remember we are living in Orwell's wet dream, it's a DAMN GOOD MOVE.. I'm just wondering why in all these years nobody has ever thought of getting all the supposed still living hijackers get them all on film in the same room. Is it really that difficult to do?
Offer them some kind of reward....get them all on film with a super imposed mug shot (the ones the media splashed all over TV for years)...tell them to hold it next to their face in the video shot...get them to give their first and last name...let them tell their story..upload the video to YouTube... and PRESTO... a million jaws drop simultaneously around the world. I think that people should see it six years after the fact.
Additionally, when it comes to the Truth Movement I see a lot of infighting. Cut the shit out seriously! We are all we have in this opposition and pecking at each other over little individual likes or dislikes of certain "Truth Movement" Authorities is silly. Hell, there are times when I listen to Alex Jones and he'll say something that will make me eyes roll, its happened plenty of times. Then I remember that there is a bigger picture here and I take the FACTS for their worth knowing that I couldn't possibly agree with everything one signgle person says, God himself wouldn't get that from me.
Attacking other truthers and trying to out them as "infiltrators" or "trolls" is a waste of time. It also makes the subject matter seem like some high school locker room taunt over who is a bigger "fag". What needs to be concentrated on more is getting OUT THERE IN THE STREETS. I for one think that becoming some sort of "Cyber Warrior for truth" is playing itself out real quick. Seriously, how much "movement" does a "movement" have, if the "movement" is in cyber world? No disrespect to those who investigate, write, research and share, as I have done this myself since 2003, but it's seriously time to step this thing up to another level of dissent ( legal and non-violent of course :)
Sorry to drag down the rest of the class but I live in Los Angeles and talk about 9/11 almost every chance I get out in the streets, with family, strangers, friends, you name it. And guess what, Probably 1 out of 10 people I meet have even heard of the "movement", fewer than that have heard of someone like an Alex Jones or a Dylan Avery or Steven Jones. Remember, this is in Los Angeles too where ideas are shared from all ideologies and political belief. I know that forums and websites like this do great for sharing information, but when does it become action? How long can someone "chat" about the murder of 3,000 Americans? What good is solving a case when no Justice is served?
A lot of Truthers I've spoken to, that started back in "early days" of the movement, are getting so damn tired of talking about it that they completely walked away from it in apathy. They got tired of seeing nothing DONE while everyone compared notes about how dead the dead guy was, so to speak.
To make a long story longer, while I appreciate the great work and research all involved(including myself) have given, we need to be out there in the streets where "life" happens. After a few years in Cyber Land, people start to think that this is where life is, it isn't. Life is happening out there where people breathe, eat, work, congregate, love, fight, smell and hear. This is only a means of communication and knowledge, a part of life indeed, but not life itself. Out there is where "THEY" run things, the bad guys, the movers and shakers that kill off the common folk.
Guess what guys and gals, theyre LAUGHING at most of us on a daily basis. We pose no real threat to them...not yet anyway. Ask yourselves, would you be afraid of what a few hundred thousand say on a binary highway of digits and letters that most of the world isn't even keeping up with anyways? Do you think we scare them enough to sway them to change policy or retreat/repent from their ways? Now take that same amount of dissenting mass and put it on the streets at one time with one voice, then will I be confident enough to call it a "movement", with physical motion and being propelled FORWARD. Till that time it will be a "STAGNANT" in my eyes.
I hope that 20 years from now I don't hear the "youngsters" talking about 9/11 they way we did about J.F.K.in school, in passing and with a light hearted curiosity, a gossip to pass time. I hope that in the future we can say that we DID something and that Justice was served, tables were turned over in the Synagogue, good triumphed over evil, and good men did something instead of nothing.
To some of you I may be preaching to the choir. Others may tell me that "We are doing it ,have some patience!" or something to that effect. Some may call me an idiot, a moron, a blow hard, a bloviating critical outsider with nothing constructive to add, it's all been said before to much greater men than me and honestly if I needed to be liked I wouldn't be stating any of this in the first place. I have though, decided that I am thoroughly over the idea of "educating" people about 9/11or researching till my eyeballs sting and my neck gets stiff from staring at a screen. I've also decided that I will take more action myself when it comes to 9/11 truth, and ween myself off of the cyber pseudo activist role that I have played for too long, familiarity breeds contempt after all.
I pray that more Truthers speak about the world outside and remember who runs it. I also hope we remember that THAT outside world is what we are fighting for, not entirely our right to BITCH in cyberspace. To retreat in our safe homes, behind our safe keyboards, with our safe cozy chairs yelling "IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB!" in some larger than usual FONT, is not going to cut it anymore. They don't care...they have gotten away with the crime...they need us out of public view...they will attack again...time to step it up.
Onward to tomorrow!
VERY WELL SAID!
I totally agree with EVERY point you made Citizen Pawn.
I am somewhat of a newbie to the Truth movement, just woke up about a year and half ago, but I have burned and handed out over 200 loose change and terrorstorm videos and in the process of having a very big banner made so I can hang it off freeway over passes.
I dont speak much here, only when I feel an important post was made, but I totally agree that the movement needs more activism and less highschool infighting..
Beautiful.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what a real, thinking human being sounds like. Well said, Pawn. (I almost typed PWN.) This is true, it is most definitely time to step it up!!! The NWO is stepping their game up:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070426100430727
In case you didn't notice, it is getting VERY late in the game, people. This could completely prevent any mass gatherings, or it could just let Bush go ahead and declare the U.S. a military dictatorship. Which do you think he wants to do? This is real. This is serious. They intend to use force against us. You better figure out really quick whether or not you've got a pair. I suggest getting together with some of your friends and learing how to take a punch or two.
You know, our predecessors in the 1960's were so much better than us (so far). They were smarter, better informed, better organized, less brainwashed, they still had a good portion of the media on their side, the culture wasn't splintered into so many "cliques"... However, THEY FAILED. History has not judged us yet. We still have the opportunity to reach some of our goals. We also have a very powerful weapon that they did not, and that is the Truth of 9/11 itself. They didn't have a "smoking gun" on the pigs. We do. Also we have the benefit of hindsight. We can look back at that era to study the techniques of COINTEL, and the successes and failures of the '60s movements. I don't think we have their naiveté either.
Ok, if you are reading this, I'm ORDERING you to go out into the real world TODAY and talk to a minimum of 5 total strangers about 9/11. Getting blown off doesn't count, you must actually engage them. I suggest you use the Socratic Method ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socratic%20method ) rather than trying to TELL them 9/11 was an inside job. If you start trying to convince a person of something, their natural reaction is to take up an adversarial stance. Ask them if they know anything about physics. Ask them to help you figure out how a gravitational collapse could produce the effects we saw on 9/11.
Here is an excerpt from a letter I wrote to my uncle that puts some of the physics issues in laymen's terms. Use these ideas, or others that you feel confident in your understanding of. Shit, talk about whatever evidence you want, not just the science...
Excerpt:
Taking up adversarial positions and trying to prove each other wrong will accomplish nothing. Except maybe stroking our egos and getting us angry at one another. I was trying to illustrate a point by bringing up creationism, namely that cherry-picking facts and evidence to build theories and models that conform to a pre-determined position or belief, is a practice that amounts to an abomination of science and logic. Maybe I was digressing too far.
The fact that some questionable PhD scholars exist in the world has absolutely no bearing on the fact that physics can and DOES tell us definitively why three buildings collapsed in New York. The issue here is not how many PhDs are on one side or the other of this issue, or how reputable they are. The issue is: What does a serious qualitative and quantitative analysis of the forces and energies involved in this event tell us? What does a serious chemical analysis of samples from "Ground Zero" tell us?
Look at this photo: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1nenw.html
Every one of those rectangular pieces of debris is a massive segment of steel girder. My cursory examination of the photo puts the minimum size of those girders at about the same size as the distance between each floor of the building. Probably 10-12 feet? 9 feet, conservatively. This would be a reasonable guess, since logically steel elements would have to be at least as high as each floor. Now what does a 10 foot steel girder weigh? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22weight%22+%22structural+steel+gi...
From what I can tell, I good MINIMUM estimate for those pieces would be about 4,000 lbs. Ok, so how much energy does it take to toss a 4000 lbs. piece of steel 70 meters? Mind you, they're not gliding away from the building on the wind! Whatever distance those beams travel laterally, the energy to put them there has to have been generated at the point of origin. What is the energy source? Air pressure being squeezed out of the building? Laughable. Reaction to the downward kinetic force of the upper floors? This is the only real option if we remain in complete, irrational denial of the possibility of explosives. Well, the hypothesis that this energy was transferred from the downward kinetic (purely gravitational) energy of the upper floors CAN BE TESTED MATHEMATICALLY.
Here is another big problem with the gravitational collapse hypothesis. Steel and concrete account for nearly all of the mass of these buildings. Drywall is a small fraction, other building materials and office contents are negligible. Now look at these photos:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc2exp9.html
We see a significant fraction of the steel being ejected OUTSIDE THE PROFILE OF THE BUILDING. We also see the progressively growing dust cloud. (No that isn't smoke, we saw the black smoke of the fire, that is light grey dust.) This dust cloud is the pulverized concrete, drywall, furniture, bodies... Chemical analysis can verify this. Also, photos of the aftermath show that nothing but steel and this dust remained. Anyway, as I was saying, we see a significant portion of the steel ejected outside the profile of the building, and a huge portion of the other building materials pulverized to dust. Look at the cloud in the last photo. That is a MASSIVE amount of material suspended in the air. That dust contains much or MOST of the non-steel mass of the building. Look how much of it is outside the profile of the building. Also, even within the profile, dust doesn't provide any mass with which to crush a building. It floats in the air! Getting to my point... If much or most of the mass of the building is outside of the profile or pulverized to dust, WHAT IS CRUSHING THE REST OF THE BUILDING?!?!? If the mass going straight down the axis of the building is getting smaller, the crushing would slow, then stop. It didn't. It proceeded at nearly the speed of gravitational accelleration, all the way to the ground.
Please explain to me how this is possible. I don't want to hear anything about hijackers, or Osama, or conspiracies, or planes. I want to know how a gravitational collapse can produce this result.
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/index.html
Ok, now GO TALK TO REAL PEOPLE!
Notice How In 2007 We STILL Engage Naysayers?
I'm new to this site and it is astounding how many people engage the Naysayers into mindless drivel. Like I said in my post, the game is over, 9/11 has been PROVEN to be an inside job. There is no more "case" to make. People spend HOURS upon HOURS over one detail, wasting valuable time and energy.
Stop PROVING that 9/11 was an inside job and put it to REST. It is 2007 folks, the time for "debate" is over, onward to justice and action. The time of doing our fellow citizens homework for them is OVER. If an individual wants to spend all day throwing peanuts at you in text, move on to the next person. If you fight every guy that looks at your girlfriend funny, you will lose, and you become a fool. I cannot stress enough how important time consumption is in this regard.
We can not let others lead us around by our noses and spending hours trying to convince cowards of something their own eyes refuse to see. Wake up and focus on the progression forward, or else this all becomes a silly game of ad hominem romper room. No more "hey your fly is open" tricks. No more engaging fools which refuse to see logic and science. Cut it loose like a cancer and look forward toward real dissent and resistance, please.
Please elaborate.
Do you mean that this sort of argument is a waste of time? That was an e-mail to my uncle, who is usually a very rational person.
I think "waking" people is going to be an important part of the process until full-blown "inside jobbers" are over 50% of the public.
The Comment Wasn't Aimed At You
My Apologies,
I meant to put the comment somewhere else in the Blog. I got confused with how the structure works. But yes, I agree with what you said, and the info you posted was great. We spend so much hoping and praying that 9/11 truth will get more "Major Media" airtime. The fact that Rosie has come out gives a huge boost in 9/11 awareness, as a case in point. So yes, "waking people up" is still important.
I'm only trying to stress the need to balance information sharing with action. If major reputable polls show that nearly 40% of the American people believe that the government was INVOLVED in 9/1, but the murderers are still making policy, there is something strangely wrong here. Nearly 40% percent of 300 million believe this , and yet we are still having this discussion about "evidence"?
My apologies again, but I have become completely numb to the idea of "gathering intelligence" to share to friends in Cyber World.
1)Find a multi millionaire that shares our views or multiple sources that donate to one "Justice Fund".
2) Have Him /Her /Them contact a private security firm that has ex CIA, NSA, ATF,FBI guys that left the field because they also share those views.
3) Gather them together with carry and conceal licensing and other proper paper work in tow.
4) Make a citizen's arrest or file a class action on Larry Silverstein for Insurance fraud, lying about crucial evidence not included in the 9/11 Commission report (they don't have the final word by the way), or one of the various charges that can be bought against him.
5) Story gets picked up on Corporate Media by at least ONE anchor giving the people a cannon ball of a talking point to our cause.
6)The Justice phase starts and from there the rats all scurry while the veil comes crashing down.
That is the level we should be at as a nation, the current level is not acceptable. Certain key players in this need to have their day in court, and now. With all this evidence and no guilty verdict, we are living in a mob ruled dictatorship. You don't fight mobs with emails and animated GIF banners for "flare".
I grew up in Los Angeles for most of my life and one thing I know for sure is that you don't "play nice" with thugs. As soon as they meet you face to face, you had better pull your socks up and call on the inner warrior, or else you will get run over. They're playing a different game than we are. Guys like this play for keeps, and while we can summon the full equivalent of that( non violently) we haven't gotten it through our heads what "playing for keeps" means. Well I know what it means, I spent many years of my life being one of them and grew up surrounded by the thug mentality, and one thing I know is that you don't play "footsies" with these type. I don't condone violence or revolution because it usually causes a vacuum in which some other thug or tyrant wants to fill and you have a set of different problems.
Like I heard Alex Jones say one day, which I totally agree with, this is about the RESTORATION of America, not the revolution of it. So let us restore America then, because if we can't do that we will see what playing for keeps is really about, and 9/11 will be a cake walk compared to what's on the horizon.
With you 100%.
You're right, it is time to stop playing "footsies". I'm in an area of the country right now that is pretty much a moral and intellectual vacuum, so I haven't come across any like-minded people, and have been restricted to "footsies" so far. However, in a week I'm moving to a very progressive major city. I'm hoping to see exactly the type of activity you're talking about. (REAL organization, strategy, interaction with government and law enforcement.) The NWO thugs have "think"-tanks planning their strategy 24/7. They are gathering intelligence 24/7. They have hired muscle doing their dirty work 24/7. We need to work toward leveling the playing field, not acting like a bunch of teenagers. (No offense, teens. I was there once too.)
I have an extended family member who is a billionaire (maybe multi by now). This person could very well be one of the dreaded "elite", or at least be "in the know". This person's son told me about 4 years ago that dad/mom said there was going to be a major WORLD WIDE depression within the next thirty years. This info was presumably the result of doing "technical analysis" of stock market patterns. (Looking at a graph of stock prices, one can find certain repeating patterns, which can be used somewhat effectively to predict future market events. See: Elliot waves, Fibonacci numbers, the Golden Ratio.) Maybe this person had other "inside" information. I know this person has connections to at least one family in the upper echelon of industry, and at least one family in the upper, UPPER echelon of the entertainment business. I think I'll compile a presentation of the evidence, and confront this person to find out where he/she stands.
Truth Action
Kevin Barret is not the only one taking action. Many of us are taking to the streets, and the number can only grow.
www.truthaction.org
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
Citizen Pawn -
Most of the surviving "hijackers" are in Saudi Arabia and the Saudis are not currently allowing anyone to interview them. Dr. Barrett is going to Morocco to visit his in-laws and is combining his meeting with al-Sheri with that family holiday.
The 9/11 Truth movement is just about completely self-financed, so international trips to interview living "hijackers" are beyond the means of most of us.
I couldn't agree with you more about the pointless infighting over details. The primary goal of the movement is to get the investigations that will settle all or most of these questions and expose the real perpetrators, so everyone aside from the dedicated researchers should just chill out about the minutiae and get out in public and talk to people.
I also agree with you that the vast bulk of our work is public activism and that this HAS to be done in the streets and malls of America. Most of the people we need to reach now are NOT online. That said, education is always a major part of activism and we have to constantly be engaged in activities that educate and inform the public. When two out of five people I talk to have not even heard of building seven there is still a lot of basic educational work to be done.
I encourage everyone to go out as often as they can and engage someone new on the subject of 9/11. I spend one to four hours every day doing public outreach of one kind or another.
I find the best one-on-one or small group technique is to simply ask people what they think happened on 9/11, listening to their answer, filling in the blanks and debunking the government myth in a calm, factual way. However, this does take time and many people won't take the time.
I disagree with you when you say that the perps are laughing at us. They most definitely are not. It is quite obvious to me, and many others, that they consider us a serious threat and are actively trying to slow the growth of the movement down ( they know they can't stop it) until they can engineer a way to further control the American people.
The main problem I'm having in my area is getting the people who acknowledge that we need new investigations into 9/11 to actually work to get those new investigations. When we get 180 people out of 200 at an event to agree that we need new investigations, but NONE of them ask what they can do to help (many do thank us for our work) we still have a great deal of work to do. This is why many of us are trying to build bridges with the peace and impeachment movements.
I see the movement moving, not always as fast as I would like and sometimes a little off course, but we are moving forward every day. IMO, our main internal (online) focus should be on better organization and co-ordination of efforts and the 11th day campaign is an excellent step in that direction.
It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon and I need to get out and spread the truth.
I hope that you and yours are well.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
I Agree With Most Points You Made
I just read your post after a huge rant of mine. I'm still getting used to the structure on this blog. Please refer to my previous or current posts to see where I stand on the issue. I don't necessarily think that I am "right" on any one issue, these are mostly opinions which can change at any given moment.
Frustration is a key word here and there is no doubt that it shows in my writings. Let me be clear,while I am very proud of my fellow truthers in their efforts,and while I would have any of you by my side in the "trenches", I am not SATISFIED with the end result in 2007. I am saying nothing new though as I feel there is not one of us that is satisfied, so in a sense I'm stating the obvious.
As far as the part about them "laughing at us" goes, I have to disagree. These are Masters at the Theory of Games, and in their circles, Hangouts, Doublespeak, Straw Men, Slippery Slopes, and Plausible Denial are second nature to them, which we all know.That being said, the rest of us have to work 3 times as hard just to keep up with them.
Maybe you're correct, maybe they aren't laughing, maybe it's just a giggle for now, but I feel that we aren't a true "threat" YET, not like have the ability to be. I said before, 9 out of 10 people I meet have no idea what the "movement" even is, the same people have never even heard of Alex Jones or even know who Larry Silverstein is, or what a "Building 7" is.
I don't say these things to rain on anyone's parade or be a party pooper, but I for one am not going to pat myself on the back for being a "truther" and I will not pat any of you on the back while sugar coating the reality that we are "winning" some battle. We are making strides yes, but the time for celebration and wine glasses is far from here. A true friend will always motivate you to do more and realize your full potential, and with the ADMISSION that we are not satisfied, we have the MOTIVATION to move forward. So let's move forward.
Truth
Kevin Barrett has done an excellent job as a leader of the Truth Movement.
you really do have a thing
you really do have a thing for Barrett huh? almost every time he has a thread here you always seem to show up. why the hard-on for Barrett Mark the tour guide? its the Muslim thing isnt it? they scare you right?
Silverstein?
He is the servant of the f****ing satan bush!
Drummerboy
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You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.
JamesB
The guy from Morocco is certainly not the one described in the 9/11 Commission's biography. Where does Barrett claim that? The "official" photo, however, seems to be the Morocco Waleed.
Waleed Al-Shehri is a key figure in my eyes, he was not just a "muscle hijacker". He did some things that only the "leaders" Atta and Marwan Al-Sheehi did, like wiring money to the VAR. There are also reports that he met Atta in Spain on July 16, 2001.
I like Barrett's initiative very much, it's a hot spot, but he should be careful. This guy has very possibly links to the CIA.
Here's the best overview on Waleed Al-Shehri you can get, by John Doe II:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2482
freefall
speed.
haha, pwning you truly, CR
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
Oh, I see
This is cleary a mistake of Barrett and not a lie.
Here's his quote:
///The Waleed al-Shehri in Casablanca says the 9/11 Commission’s photo and biography are his, and that he’s the guy who trained in Daytona Beach.///
Barett mixes up 9/11 Commission and FBI here (but only in this sentence, not generally). It should read:
///The Waleed al-Shehri in Casablanca says the FBI's photo and biography are his, and that he’s the guy who trained in Daytona Beach.///
This is obviously a small, easily corrected mistake and not a lie.
Stop smearing Barrett.
You're very quick with your accusations
Have you even read the BBC article? The photo on CNN was given to them by the FBI. They are identical!
Quote:
///Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.///
It was, at this time, the ONLY known photo of Waleed, and it originated from the FBI.
Your link with the other photo didn't work for me. Do you have a better one? But I tell you at once: In case you continue with your baseless smear and impudent style, don't expect an answer from me.
Waleed saw the CNN footage with his picture himself...
ASAA: What are your thoughts about your photograph in the FBI list?
Waleed: I said before that I was astonished when I saw my picture on the CNN channel. I believe the photo was taken from the "Flight Safety" (= Flight CFT?) school when I was being trained there for two months. The photo looks like one taken at that time.
http://www.911myths.com/html/waleed_al-shehri_still_alive.html
I think this nullifies your argumentation, doesn't it?
Thanks for the link (911myths.com), by the way.
Please help me understand...
Im a bit confused...
The photo in the BBC article matches the photo that the FBI still claims was the hijacker:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa11/11.htm
So if the guy in the BBC article is still alive, then the guy pictured on the current FBI list is still alive...
right?
JamesB, You're Being Dishonest
You're here being dishonest, JamesB. As was already explained to you, you are also a conspiracy theorist. Yet you still hypocritically throw out that term as an ad hominem attack.
A conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in a plan which involves doing something unrightful or untoward to another person or other people (of which plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy).
Since obviously more than one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then *by definition* it is a conspiracy, even if one completely accepts the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, anti-historical, anti-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks. Hence, *by definition* the U.S. government's offical fairy tale is a conspiracy theory, as the U.S. government is putting forth a theory concerning the 9/11 attacks which involves a conspiracy.
Conspiracies are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. More than six times the amount of non-combatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million of its own non-combatant subjects. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own non-combatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)
All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government.
Needless to say, all of these government mass-slaughters were conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that.
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A truly vital piece of evidence that provides definitive proof that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by controlled demolition is the video of yellow-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower.
That piece of evidence isn't merely a smoking gun: it's a smoking nuclear cannon. That video, alone and by itself, is irrefragable *proof* that the South Tower (at the very least) had thermite-like ("like" in the sense of producing comparable temperatures) incendiary demolition charges with the ability to easily slice through structural steel going off within it. There is no innocent explanation for what that video records.
That is to say, the only way to get around that it is thermite which is causing that yellow-hot metal to cascade off the South Tower before its collapse would be to posit that we are seeing a different form of extremely powerful incendiary with thermite-like temperatures at work in the video. Of which, even if true, would be every bit as much damning, since no such powerful indendiaries can be accounted for without involving a sinister intent to plant them there.
Below are videos which contain some of this footage:
"Shot from street level of South Tower collapsing," CameraPlanet, February 24, 2003 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863
http://www.supportthetruth.com/vids/thermite.wmv
http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Molten%20Metal%20from%20WTC.mpg
"Wtc 1, impact site close up, tower collapse close up, long shot, people shouting," CameraPlanet, July 20, 2001 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151
From the color of the yellow-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower, it had to be at least over 1000 °C, yet jet fuel burns in open air at 260-315 °C; nor do burning office, building, or plane materials impart temperatures anywhere near that hot to structural members (indeed, it would present quite a hazard if such articles were constructed with such powerful incendiaries, and so designers of such objects go out of their way to make sure that they are not). Thus, if it wasn't molten iron from thermite that we are seeing come off the South Tower, then by necessity a reaction source with a heat intensity very much like thermite had to be present. Yet there is nothing in the U.S. government's account that can explain such a heat source; indeed, there's nothing innocent that could explain it, since it requires some sort of extremely powerful incendiary.
For more on this, see Dr. Steven Jones's above-cited paper, "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?"
Moreover, even the official FEMA scientists Jonathan Barnett, Ronald R. Biederman, and R. D. Sisson, Jr. bolster the evidence that thermate (i.e., thermite with sulfur added, which causes it to slice through steel even faster by forming a eutectic alloy with it) was used to bring down the WTC towers (see "C Limited Metallurgical Examination," FEMA 403--World Trade Center Building Performance Study http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf ):
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Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent inter granular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. ... No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown.
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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf
Please keep flaunting your ignorance.
Funny thing is, you freaks don't even realize you're the 'wackiest conspiracy theorists' ever.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8538813684596795513&sourceid=do...
huh?
Big D, who was that even directed at?
James Redford, that was Ace and should be printed in a publication. :-)
My money is on dirrected at James "Jimbo" Bennet of Screw Loose
I think "You freaks" refers to debunks in general--not these two arguing participants.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
New Truth Presenter:
Norcal folks and others:
The 9/11 week at CSU Chico went well. Last night, our local shill "Anthony" (shoulder length blond straight hair, thin, tan-keep your eyes out for him in Norcal!) sat throught Improbable Collapse but didn't stick around for Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Gage is good, has a great presentation to give after handing out a paper with the characteristics of controlled demolitions. Hard for anyone to logically challenge him. Molten steel and the facts about temperatures of burning hydrocarbon materials are impossible for the debunkers to confront.
Anthony is relentless, he was at a Wed. night meeting as well, got into arguments without making any clear points at all. He would not shut up, and it was impossible for deal with him in a logical manner.
To the debunkers, other "Anthonys" out there: Yeah, we're still at the mercy of your government, its military, intelligence, mercenaries, the police, sheriffs department, the mainstream media, corporations, politicians, -your sick, corrupt system of egotistical powermongering American Capitalism. But, we might wrest control someday, as the Truth expands. And I have no mercy for you traitors to humanity.
To you debunkers: My main issue of 9/11 is not just that our government murdered fellow Americans (but with the Odigo warning to the Jews, that was merciful!), that a government would turn on its people (now that has never happened in history, has it?).
No, this is about the sickness deep within the human organism. There is this potential within us to commit such disgusting acts. Like the guy that beat up the 101 year old lady on her way to church for 33 dollars. Maybe some humans are more likely than others to do such things due to cultural socialization. I hope that those of you who placed the explosives in the WTC buildings read these comments, but I suppose you were either murdered by the higher ups or are drunk at a girly bar in Phuket right now. You guys proved to the Universe what sickness the human animal is capable of, and at a time when we've polluted, overfished, deforested, wiped our numerous species, ruined the ozone layer...OK, we f*&%$#ed up our planet big time, and 9/11 wasn't exactly good marketing for the nobility of the human spirit. Humanity as a whole didn't exactly win any brownie points by your actions. And I believe the basis of 9/11 to be all about power and money. Hope you perpetrators enjoy spending that blood money. Gonna buy a bigger house? What kind of car do you guys drive, Porshes, Mercedes, or Hummers?
Perpetrators, intelligence agents in the know, and debunkers: I only wish I believed in a Hell for you to rot in, but I don't. I can only hope the the Truth comes out and you realize what scum you are and if you don't hang for your crimes then you spend the rest of your lives understanding what pieces of s*&$ you truly are and how you let down Humanity as a whole.
Ah, now I feel better. Just hope you trolls (especially Mossad agents here in the U.S) happen to run in to this comment. "Anthony", I'll see you at the next show!
Link from Rens.com: http://www.911revisited.com/video.html
Greed and...
9/11 wasn't just money and power. It was also about the "elite's" lazy, immature, unimaginative methods in dealing with society's problems. Namely, depopulation through war, famine, and plague. They are attempting to start WW3, Rumsfeld's bio-threat profiteer buddies will probably cook up a "bird-flu" pandemic, the WTO and IMF are starving the entire continent of Africa right off the Earth. Actually, it is their compulsive addiction to money and power that precludes any equitable, non-violent solutions. They won't entertain any ideas that decentralize wealth and power.
Last week I was unfortunate enough to be in a room where a television was shitting out an episode of American Idol. They were doing one of their big orgiastic, false compassion, con the soccer-moms out of some money "charity" drives. It's disgusting. These ignorant, decadent, obese westerners (us) contribute greatly to, or or outright CREATE these people's misery through our wasteful lifestyles and government policies. Then we send Simon Oral-Bowel-Movement Cowell over to their tin roofed hut to look at them like they're pieces of filth, which gets them all depressed and ready to be paraded in front of the camera. "Send us two dollars a day so little Sohari can get his injections. Then RUSH to your local Hummer dealership this SUNDAYSUNDAYSUANDAY so you can be the FIRST to get a SMOKIN' deal on the new 12,000 horse-power H4!!!!!!!! First 20 buyers get half off on Louis Vuitton leather interiors!!"
It occurred to me while I was watching this, what if this rumor about AIDS is true? I mean, there's no doubt that we ARE committing genocide in Africa through economic oppression. And supposedly Rumslfeld makes millions off "bird-flu" (if there is such a thing) vaccinations, so there is evidence of plague-profiteering. What if all those vaccination programs in Africa over the past decade or so have actually been INFECTING people, not immunizing them? Our policies starve them, then our media uses them to guilt us out of more money, which is in turn used to murder millions more through "immunization" programs. This certainly fits the NWO's modus operandi. What is happening in Africa is shameful anyway, but if they are doing this... It would unquestionably be the greatest crime against humanity in history.
It was directed at the intellectually stunted JamesB.
I used plural 'freaks' as the bedunkers always seem to run in packs.
Jimbo dishonest? Hypocritical? NO! *sarcasm*
Let's just say that's the debunk toolbox at Screw Loose. Expecting anything else is just setting yourself up for disapointment. ;-)
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
still confused...
IF he is not the terrorist in the picture,
why would this guy acknowledge that he is the terrorist described by the FBI?
He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.
In New York City, medical
In New York City, medical examiners used DNA profiles furnished by the FBI to match body parts with three of the 10 hijackers who crashed there. In the Pentagon and Pennsylvania cases, nine genetic profiles that matched no known victims were presumed to be hijacker remains, Smith says.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-11-sept11-remains_x.htm
What do they compare the DNA with and who have been positively identified?
This seems awfully suspicious. I'll wait for an update.
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Charles Goyette savaged Davin Coburn over this DNA bit
Ah! Happy days...;-)
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
I love that word...
presume...it is much like assume. Not quite the type of word used to describe certain facts that might hold water in a court of law.
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings (WTC1&2) down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers
Hmm... I just thought of something.
Supposedly the towers were "money-pits" by the time they came down, right? In the economic scheme of things, they had to come down. (Do more research if you don't know what I'm talking about.)
Now, denial-mongers who I have been trying to wake up keep firing this one at me:
"Why would the government want to pull such an elaborate operation and risk being found out? It can't be an inside job, because it doesn't make sense to make it so complicated. Wouldn't just flying the planes into the towers be enough to get their war?"
Seems tough to rebutt. They are taking greater risk by going that far. But think of it like this.
Silverstein (or maybe the previous owners, or financiers behind Silverstein) knew the Towers were in need of billions of dollars worth of repairs. They knew they weren't economically viable. So they made the decision at some point that the Towers would have to go. But the logistics of this are obviously complicated, and New Yorkers wouldn't take kindly to giving up their sky-line. Enter Bushco. Bushco is looking for a way to start a war. Somebody in Bushco has a buddy named Lucky Larry. Lucky Larry plays with big dollars, and knows of a couple buildings that are begging to be torn down...
Ah, there it is. Two separate problems, when looked at together, presented an irresistible opportunity for our econo-fascist pig-people rulers. Killing two birds with one stone, no? Bushco didn't hatch the plot to destroy the WTC, they just wanted their war. Some shadowy financiers somewhere wanted to clear some real-estate. Everybody gets what they want, everybody gets all kinds of new business opportunities. The whole show helps consolidate more power and wealth, depopulate, set up for a showdown with China... BRILLIANT!
What got me thinking about this is the manner in which the Towers came down. I've been marveling at how they exploded, rather than imploded, and wondering how they rigged the explosives to pull off the top floors collapsing first. Now, if we look at this in reverse, things start to crystalize. Don't think in terms of figuring out how THEY did it, think in terms of what you would have to dream up if YOU wanted to pull this off.
Financiers - "Ok Lucky Larry, we've got to bring these buildings down, but dismantling floor by floor isn't cost effective. Plus, the public is gonna raise one hell of a stink about losing those buildings."
Lucky Larry - "Well, let me call up my buddy Mark Loizeaux over at Controlled Demolition and see what can be done.
...So Mark, we wanna demo the Twin Towers. Dismantling them is outside our budget. We want you to implode them without damaging surrounding property. Can you do it, and what's your price?"
Mark - "Sorry Larry, those buildings have massive steel cores, plus they're too tall and narrow to implode. There's no way to get them to implode safely into themselves. All I'd be able to do is EXPLODE them, but that would leave Manhattan looking like a war zone."
Dubya - "Did somebody say WAR?!?" WOOOOHOOO!!! I like me some war!! Mark, you and Lucky Larry go ahead and blow up those buildings. I hate them damn New York liberals anyhow. We'll blame it on the A-rabs!! My business partner Osama can play the boogie man A-rab, and we'll get the whole country into a frenzy!"
Mark - "But Dubya, if we just blow up the Twin Towers how the hell are we gonna explain it? They'll be able to trace the explosives, and a lot of people will know that it takes time and expertise to rig a building like this. Hell, only a few companies in the world can pull this off. We'll be the prime suspects! Nobody is gonna believe that some kooky arabs could get access to the building and have the skill to bring it straight down. Plus, with the size of those buildings, it'll ruin most of the adjacent buildings."
Larry - "I could just take out a big enough insurance policy to cover all the damages..."
Dubya - "Yeah, and I bet Dick, Rummy, and the PNAC boys can think of some way to make it REALLY look like the A-rabs did it. Hell, we've got all kinds of fancy toys over at the DoD. My personal favorite is the mokie-troll planes! Boy, I just love flyin' them suckers!"
Dick *Face* Cheney (Evil Genius) - "Goddamn it Dubya, do I have to come up with all the diabolical plans myself? Look you morons, it's simple. Islamic nuts have been hijacking planes for the last 20 or 30 years. Sure, maybe a few of them were on the CIA payroll, but that's beside the point. The public knows arabs like to steal planes. They also like to blow themselves up. We'll stick a few arab patsies on some airliners, put 'em on auto pilot, then fly them into the Towers. Mark you just rig the Towers to collapse starting at the impact point of the planes, then it will look like the upper floors are "pancaking" and crushing the building. I'll be able to tell you right where the plane will hit using our super accurate GPS guidance systems. The trauma and "Shock and Awe" of the whole thing will turn peoples brains into mush. Then we'll get the media propaganda machine going. The whole thing will be like one huge psy-op, a mass brainwashing! You know what my hero Adolf said about "big lies". Nobody will ever believe that their own government would do this to them. Plus people are so dumbed down thanks to Rupert over at Fox, they'll never figure this out!! By the time they do, they won't be able to do anything about it, because we'll torch the Constitution in the name of "National Security"! MUAAAHAAAHAAHAA!!! MUAAAHAAAHAA!!!... MUAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken Lay - "Hey guys, this whole Enron thing is really cramping my style. They've got a lot of dirt on me over there at Building 7. Think you could blow that one up too?
George Tenet - "I second that motion. There's a lot of dirt on the CIA's dirty dealings in that building."
Mark - "Oh, that one shouldn't be a problem. I can just do a classic implosion on that one."
And so it went. The Towers couldn't be imploded, their structure and dimentions make it impossible, so they had to be EXPLODED. This is why the planes were used. Simply to cover the explosions, to act as misdirection. Also to facilitate the demonizing of Muslims, so we could go on our oil crusade. Geez, it's really amazing how clear this becomes when you look at all the evidence. Most people just refuse to look.
Super scenario for a comic strip
Fantastic work consciouness. You have the scenario. Now all you need to do is find someone who could draw us good images (superman style) and you have a nice comic strip 911truther style. No joke that could be interesting.!
Drummerboy
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Gracias. Xie xie ni. Danke schön.
I really dig this post!
This is real good stuff man. Can I post this on my blog for "Shits and Giggles"? With your permission of course.??
Absolutely.
No problem. Just give me credit! Maybe I'm behind the curve, but I realized that the kamikaze part of the attack wan't the key to this thing at all. It was just their creative way to kill two birds with one stone. Two separate problems were brought together (likely from two separate groups), and "solved" with one silver bullet. (4 silver bullets, that is.) I think this could be important in helping people understand the means and motive, so please, spread it around as much as possible.
Double post... Sorry.
CONSCIOUSNESS:
May I second that call for putting your words in comic format! Really, it is all so obvious to so many of us at this point that it is hard to believe how many people still believe the govt. lie. Please, keep up the "commenting" at the blogger!!! Very inspiring.
I miss Murph the Shill these days...
Careful,
...you guys will blow up my ego. LOL! Well, if it's going to go into comic form, I'd like to re-write it. The only person I really tried to write "in character" was Bush (Cheney a little). I think the set-up paragraphs need to stay attached too. Do you draw? I do (or used to), but I'm no good at cartooning and line-art. Mostly pencil sketching with lots of shading.
Hmmm... I'm starting to visualize some of the scenes already. (Dubya spreading his arms out to imitate a plane like General Turgidson from "Dr. Strangelove" (Oh, I should DEFINITELY write the good Dr. in for a bit part!), Ken Lay and George Tenet popping their heads in the board-room door Stooges style, one over top of the other...) Any graphic-novel type artists out there? I'd love to do another version of the "script" then brainstorm with someone on the visuals.
Good good good.
You see I don't even know you but I sincerely felt that you were able to visualize something just because of the way you write. There's a lot of images in your writing. Hwo knows maybe you'll write something to help wake up some people. Another media to join somebody. Education does pass through different channels.
Drummerboy
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Thanks again.
The encouragement is much appreciated. I think I am going to have to write or create some kind of artwork on this subject. It is so important and there is so much to be said. If you like my writing in this blog, imagine what I can do when I take time to research and edit! (Now if only I had the self discipline to put in that kind of time... LOL!) This is all directly off the top of my head.
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