Is Amazon.com Stalling Griffin's Book?

Yesterday morning I submitted this gentle query to the friendly folks at Amazon Customer Service, Bombay district:

> 04/19/07 06:39:41 PDT > NAME: Real Truther > ORDER ID: 1XX-X34XXX-55XXXX > ITEMS: > Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popula... > > COMMENTS: Hi, I'm happy to wait for the shipment but I would very much appreciate someone letting me know what the nature of the delay is. > Many kind thanks!

All I was really hoping for was an acknowledgement that demand had far outpaced supply, thus proving tangibly how well the book was selling. A few hours later, I get this:

Thanks for writing to us at Amazon.com. We are very sorry for the delay in completing your order. I have reviewed your account and can see that this experience has been far less than positive. We strive for convenience and efficiency at Amazon.com, but in this instance we have fallen short of our goal. I'm truly sorry that your impression of doing business with Amazon.com has been so negative. I'm very sorry that your order has been delayed. We normally obtain this item from a supplier who can usually send it to us within "avail estimate" (as listed on our web site) from the time your order is placed; however, in this case, the supplier took longer than expected to respond to us, and we do apologize for that. We notified you as soon as we learned from our supplier that the status of this item had changed. Unfortunately, our reliance on suppliers and manufacturers for information about their stock means that, occasionally, our database will not reflect all changes. In addition to our large selection, one of the benefits we'd like to offer our customers is convenience, and we have not met that standard in this case. However, I have checked into your order and found that we sent you an e-mail message about this order on April 11, 2007 to let you know that there has been an unexpected delay in obtaining "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory." I am sorry if you did not receive this message. However, we have now obtained this item and are currently preparing your order for shipment. It appears that we will be able to ship your package earlier than the revised date estimated on our web site. We will send you an e- mail soon to confirm the date of shipment. We expect that your order will arrive within 3 to 7 business days of the shipment date.

Hmm, methinks they doth suck up too much! Then, a few hours later, I get this!

Greetings from Amazon.com. We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items, and that this completes your order. Our Pre-Order Price Guarantee applies to one or more items in this shipment. If an item's official release date hasn't passed, Pre-Order Price Guarantee hasn't ended yet! If the price of the item(s) decreases between now and the release date, we will issue you a refund for the difference. The following items have been shipped to you by Amazon.com: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Qty Item Price Shipped Subtotal --------------------------------------------------------------------- Amazon.com items (Sold by Amazon.com, LLC): 4 Debunking 9/11 Debunking: ... $13.60 4 $54.40 Shipped via USPS (estimated arrival date: 25-April-2007).

Why do I suspect that my order would have been indefinitely delayed had I not written my little inquiry? And how stupid do I feel now for paying $20 to Interlink Press in an attempt to receive the book ASAP? Is Amazon just insincerely dealing with their shortage by not simply being up front about first come, first served? Or is something more nefarious afoot? I will now have six copies of the book for lending out... yay! But Amazon, I think you have some 'splainin' to do!

The book just came of the press on Saturday (April 14th)

There have been a lot of people waiting for the book.

Amazon is playing catch-up ball.

i got an email this week

i got an email this week saying the shipping date was estimated to be a couple of weeks beyond what they had initially predicted.. then again, they just put up the final book art too..

they changed my estimate to may, but now i see it is back to april, so my guess is these are just standard issues that arise when putting a book up for preorder without a solid release date from the publisher.

They shipped mine

I received notifiaction of shipment on Wednesday! Should be here today or tomorrow
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DZ (or anyone)...

Do you know where I can find a direct download link to:

ABC footage Sept. 11, 2001 9:12 am - 9:54 am

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Hey S4, pretty sure arie has that one...

I would expect a few others to have it also.

If you cannot contact him via here, try PM'ing him over at LC forums.

You'll probably find it on torrent also, not sure where (but I heard a lot is on there).

Have you confirmed on the piece you are interested in is in that section, i.e. present in stream at...

http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110912-0954

Hope this helps a bit...

Yes it's in that stream :-) !!!

Still looking for a DL though so I can get the clip I need uploaded to Gootube. CC tracker is down at the moment and I will check there for it once it's back up. Thanks for the info, 911veritas.

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I'm feelin' the love!

I just think it's interesting that after telling me my books wouldn't ship until June 17-20 that after a simple email inquiry they revealed just how far off the mark their estimate was and immediately shipped my books.

I suppose they were just about to bump my order up the supply chain before I sent in my complaint. Right, that's it! Amazon no doubt like Google, believes in "doing no evil".

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So, I can get my book sooner if I email them?

Let me try that. I don't want to wait til June... DRG is coming to seattle in may!!

please report back!

I think that's the case--let us know if after submitting a complaint or even just a question about the delay they suddenly find a copy to send you!

For those who rated my blog post a 1, all three of you, note that the title is a question. I am not alleging a conspiracy here, just pointing out how odd the coincidence was that as soon as I complained they suddenly found the 5 copies I ordered. It could be as simple as a squeaky wheel policy on their part, but that itslef says a lot about how they do business.

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Emailed them...

haven't heard back yet.

"1" votes? Pish, posh-- that's a vertible "love tap"

When they REALY hate you they make a "hate blog" in your honor:

http://killtwoofers.blogspot.com/

Hah! Debunks hate me more than you...
;-)

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dear innocent Jenny...

"Debunkers" don't rate down Real Truther, FAKE TRUTHERS do! ;)

cuz ya know what? there's nothin' else they CAN do at this point! hee hee!

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yikes!!

that is one sick hate blog!! good for you for warning them to bring firearms when they come for you.

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Did you flag it?

It's just freaking disgusting. The Colonel can certainly take care of herself, but the administrators should really pull it.

While I agree entirely.. could someone get a screen shot first?

I've archived the html, but there's nothing like a screen shot to save the historic moment.

I look forward to an indefinate about of satisfaction budgeoning dubunks with evidence of wackoness WAY beyond Judy Wood.

;-)

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your wish is my commanding officer

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Cheers!

I just archived that in my blog drafts.

Any possibility of getting a more readable copy? You can use my email contact if you like--thanks again!

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if you right click and save as...

it'll get the original, which is at http://wtcdemolition.com/jennysparksthreat.jpg

And oh yeah, just thought I'd mention that Nico is reported to have used the word "sandwich" today--I hereby declare the word off-limits to real truthers. They should instead say "bread-based meat holder". I realize of course that means we'll have to come up with another phrase for "prostitute"...

Wow I LOVE not being allowed to criticize certain other bloggers by name! It's just the thing to get the creative juices going...

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yer way off base...

a sandwich doesn't necessarily have meat/dead animal in its core (columns). there, now it pertains to 9/11.
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possible breakthrough at Harvard

For context, Ryan Thoreson is a gay senior and a Rhodes scholar. He recently posted this blog:

http://cambridgecommon.campustap.com/blog/entry/View.aspx?Iid=157927#158116

to Cambridge Common, a left gatekeeping (until now) operation run by a bunch of Latte liberals here at the kingdom of undue pretentiousness.

Basically he posts out of nowhere that Rosie is done calling for Bush's impeachment, with a quote from her blog and a link to same. Guess what he knows his peers are going to find there on Rosie's site? How about a big fat juicy truth sand- er... bread-based meat/veggie holder?!

Yeah, now it gets fun.... care to join in? They allow anonymous comments!

See their historic attempt to shut down 9/11 Truth last year here: http://cambridgecommon.blogspot.com/2006/01/truth.html

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they erased my comment!!

Luckily I had it in my cache... check it out:

http://wtcdemolition.com/Cambridge.mht

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Cheers again!

I've got a beautiful copy! ;-)

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Told you they hate me more than they hate you! ;-)

I think it's a debunk "sock"--my current suspect is Jame Bennet, aka JamesB of Screw Loose. It's the timeing see--I've really been riding them about various inconsistancies at their blog and this is the "pay back".

So, now I've got something else to hunt Jimbo with--Jenny's work is never done, eh?

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perhaps they fear me more than they fear you...bwahahaha

honestly though, why do you bother engaging them? that's why i prefer street truthing--the "debunkers" have to do their stuff in public and they invariably end up looking like morons. especially when they start with the tough talk--there are few things more satisfying than calling a muscle bound freak a disgusting stupid traitor to his face and watching him suffer when he realizes that you can't intimidate a truther, because contrary to popular opinion, the police are not going to allow us to be physically assaulted by thugs--sorry AJ, no police state yet--but keep predicting it, you never know! damn it's fun to be right!

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Why Jenny bothers...

I have a feel SLC may have conections to disinfo "truthers". If that connection can be made, they will be exposed as shams, BY THEIR OWN SIDE.

I'm clearly making them uncomfortable--they just switched over to Haloscan commenting alledgely because it would help them manage comments better--though God knows how. This was a result of my persistance questioning. And they've been avoiding blogging about that "thing"---I won't mention here, but if you email me, I'll spell it out.

Just the fact they have to make plans around what I might do is beyond odd--unless someone is really worried Jenny might call the wrong sort of attention to their blog--say someone who has the technology and experience to find Jenny's answers while skipping the Dirty Harry interogation?

Everyone's got to have a hobby...

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i'll include you in a diversity of tactics any day of the week!

Do what you do, and report back to the twoops colonel! I'm guessing I know what you mean by "that thing", but I can't believe they'd still be attacking Judy Wood--I mean, don't WE do that enough?

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That "thing"---

That I'm being polite enough NOT to mentionm seeing how they've been so good for a week now, I think--

Ahem, is that "thing" 911activism is semi-constantly conflated with--even if debunks have to all but INVENT a connection.

HINT: WW2

But I'll be good as long as they're good--and no go there unless I have to. ;-)

(After a post accusing us of that "thing", I "shared" alot of info about current administrations relatives conections with people who did that "thing"--first time I've left a spam bomb. And the first time I got deleted. Still the experience seems to have left an impression at SLC. That "thing" hasn't come up again--yet)
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OHHHHH.... WW2! Ummmm... Uncle Fetzer?

silly bean, i was just pretending to have a hollow head--if going there is going to cost you goodwill points with your Loose Screw friends then you most certainly should NOT. I was actually thinking of joining Screw Loose Change ever since Korey and Dylan decided to go all Cuban on us. Loooooooosie! You got some 'changin' to do!

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Not so much good will as honor...

I'm trying to be a gentlewoman about it. But after this wacko blog--all bets are off. And I think I found the perp--Nico Haupt. But more research is needed...

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My experience

My experience says this is about Amazon being shady, NOT about 9/11 censorship or intentional stalling.

Remember when Olbermann's book, "Worst Person in the World" came out about 4 months ago?

Well, when I first heard about the book, I ordered 2. This was about a month before the book was scheduled to come out.

On the DAY it was officially released, I got an email saying that due to low supply, I wouldn't get my books for 3-4 weeks. At first, I was pissed, but didn't make a stink about it.

Then, one of my friends ordered a copy from amazon, and got an email saying it had been shipped....THAT DAY.

Obviously I was pissed. I sent Amazon an email saying, "I ordered it a month ago, he ordered it yesterday, blah blah blah."

They didn't reply, but I got a confirmation that my order was sent, and I got my books in 2 days.

Amazon is shady, but don't look into it too much.

That was the 1 and only thing I ever ordered from them.

good to know, sort of!

I'm glad we can count on the greediness of corporations after all! I also now know never EVER to dis Amazon on this site--five "1" votes! I'm almost offended enough to make a snide comment! Yeesh!

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Somewhat along the same

Somewhat along the same lines -- and not to sound any conspiratorial alarms... I checked Netflix recently to see which 9/11 films come up with a search. Here are some of the comments posted in the customer review section of Press for Truth:

"I rec'd this disc in the mail today in FOUR pieces. I've never rec'd a broken disc before in the three years I've been w/Netflix. Wonder if the replacement will be broken??"
"The disk I recieved was damaged and I could not see the entire movie. From what I did see this was a powerful film that told a heartening story of survival by the victems families and obstruction by a government that can admit no wrong."
 "I have not had an opportunity to view or rate this film as I keep receiving copies of it that are cracked and/or in pieces. Has anyone else had this happen? I keep reporting the problem, shipping them back, and requesting replacements, but today my FOURTH damaged copy in a row arrived in the mail!! Clearly some people out there are taking radical measures to prevent others from seeing this documentary, which makes it all the more intriguing."
Shame, really.

Nice

Real nice.

When Netflix come do they have the name of the film on the outside of the package?
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they don't

but it could be an inside job at the Netflix envelope stuffing plant, or in the case of deliberately scratched disks they may not be checking closely for vandalism in their rush to get you your dvds...

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wow!

I swear by the end of this we're going to have to find a term more damning than Nazi to describe some people. That is just SICK!! It's f*ing PRESS FOR TRUTH for pete's sake! Not EVEN 9/11 Mysteries or Improbable Collapse!! Can you even GET those on Netflix??

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who laughed?

"That is just SICK!! It's f*ing PRESS FOR TRUTH for pete's sake!"

i did.

disclaimer: i don't mess around with LMAO, LOL, ROFL, and hot shit like that.
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A few weeks ago I received

A few weeks ago I received an e-mail saying the book wouldn't be in till early June. Then, just a few days ago, they notified me that the book had been shipped. I'm expecting it any day now.

Just got it!

Interlink ships from within massachusetts so I got it overnight from them.

What can I say?  After finishing the 25 page Introduction I wanted to run to kinko's to make a hundred copies of that part to give out in the street tomorrow.

Here's the gist...  the book is divided into four main sections following the intro.  They correspond to the four "debunking" works that came out, interestingly enough, in August 2006--just in time for the 5th anniversary.  They are, in order, the NORAD tapes article by Michael Bonner in Vanity Fair, Kean and Hamilton's Without Precedent, NIST's Answers to FAQ, and the coup de grace of course, Popular Mechanics Turd de force Debunking 9/11 Myths.  Then the conclusion, which by the time it rolls around should aptly be titled "Foregone Conclusion".

It delivers the knockout punch to all the well known "debunkers".  It slaughters them like only a Christian theologian can--MERCILESSLY.

Instinctively I scanned the index--no mention of Patsystan in the book at all.  OR Israel--how bout that!  Of course the book discusses controlled demolition at length, the NORAD tapes that were used to blame the FAA for failure to intercept, no Boeing at Pentagon, and, well, you know--the STRONG evidence.  DR.G uses the word ALLEGED to great effect, accurately labelling the fictional hijackers as such, implicitly but not actually accusing a large number of ALLEGED victims' families of LYING about their grief and "perished loved ones".  No doubt he will be viciously attacked for this by the movement's self appointed (alleged) victims' families' honor guard.

Aside from a few controlled demolition skeptics who inexplicably still identify themselves as truthers this book will disappoint no one and you WILL immediately order as many copies as you can afford to make sure no one you love has any excuse not to read it, or just to leave them lying around the city.  Could it be improved?  There are one or two minor problems but I'm sure anyone who knows me from this site can figure out where I think Dr. G could have been more proactive about revealing disturbing and well known facts about the events.  The point is that this book kicks down the gate once and for all--après ça, le deluge!!

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Cheers for the review--or preview---or plug--WHATEVER

Maybe you could blog chapter commentary when you get through--for those of us losers who didn't order in advance....;-)

BTW--is that you in the pic?

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Who's that in the pic?

And why is that person shamelessly engaged in self-promotion?

self-promotion?? moi??

I didn't--er, the guy in the pic didn't write the book, unless that kindly elderly gentleman we see out in public promoting it is in fact just an actor and not in fact the Real Trauthor... :)

And Jenny, I can't read the chapters and synoptificate them at the same time--just imagine a really intelligent thorough and honest person going over every one of those bullshit artists' works above with a lice comb in such a way that no one who reads the book can come but to the conclusion that said BS artists are in fact the vilest of vile pond scum ever to scum up Scum Pond outside of Scumsville. Every Meigs quote that is revealed in its putrid sickness evokes images of the little worm fleeing the country with hordes of pissed off firemen chasing him with axes and rope--it's that devastating. Even John McCain gets body slammed--if that dog fart spent a day in a vietnamese prison it was for sexually abusing someone's dog in a drunken stupor and nothing more--what a piece of shit.

Yeah I feel like I can safely say all these things because after sampling the intro and the chapter on pop mech I can safely announce that we have won. It's going to be a hell of a lot of fun to gloat about this for, like, the rest of our lives.

Phew! Sorry for the meanieness--I just feel f*cking great about this...

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No, silly -- promotion of his boyish good looks.

You must be warming up for the calendar idea bruce1337 floated (Working title: "Hotties of 9/11 Truth.") It's our fundraising idea and I get to pick the photos ;)

tee hee

oh cass, you could just ASK me for nude pics without this silly calendar pretext you know... have i just inadvertently stumbled into the seamy (and steamy) hidden underside of 911blogger? I feel like a Jihadi at the gates of virgin plenty! woo hoo!!! JIHaaaaaaaaaaaarty!!!!!

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Haha, impertinent innuendo!

Looks like there's a goldmine here -- dig it and pave the way to half of america's hearts and minds. The bottom line is: this is nothing less than (y)our patriotic duty. I even have a catchy slogan, already:

9/11 Undress for Truth

:D
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9/11 Mr. Easies?

Loose Change in Drawers?

Really why DON'T we start a Truth-based Entertainment Network? The NET (Nine Eleven Truth) Network. NETwork News something like that. i call copyright! no copying! i'll tell on you! MOM!!!!!

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NET@TEN

nine eleven truth @ truth entertainment network

and it's on at TEN oclock... EASTERN TIME TENET! OH! baby. Medal of Freedom Georgie!!

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Towers of Conception?

Cruising the Rubicon?

or the backrubicon

ok, enough of this late night truth movement banter, us east coasters have to get up 3 hours before you jammy west coast lot!

:)

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Everybody's Gotta Get Some Sometime?

I made myself LOL with that one. Sad.

or the backrubicon

ok, enough of this late night truth movement banter, us east coasters have to get up 3 hours before you jammy west coast lot!

:)

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