sorry, there's no reason to believe ANY of it is true. and the explanation that they wanted to avoid looking like they stood down is absurd given the official story they've stuck with is that it was crashed straight into the ground.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

They didn't tell us that it was shot down because it would lead to other questions.... about why the other planes were not shot down.

Creating a story about it "crashing into the ground" would make a "feel-good", first "win" on the war on terrorism story.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

It was spook sites like http://www.flight93crash.com/ that brainwashed all of us, including me, to hold on to the idea 93 was shot down, but still crashed in Shanks.

You'll notice that site is no more after I exposed what a fraud site it is.

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I still think (speculate that is) 93 was headed for WTC#7.....Late take off.....Had to pull it.

...either the WTC or DC, respectively? (If it even was 93).

Does anyone know?

Just wondering approximately when the final hit would've taken place if it was either of those targets.....

it would be in DC at around the same time as aa77.

I used to think that wtc7 was 93's target but I think that is probably wrong - just due to the size of 7 and that they had the perfect cover to bring down 7 during either of the tower collapses (most likely north tower collapse), then they could have said north tower falling caused 7 to go down, and they could have pretty much hidden the nature of 7's collapse in the massive dust clouds. 7 was rigged and ready to go but something failed, then they had no choice but to let it stand/burn for a buch of hours as some sort of cover story.

93 hitting the capitol would be another grand spectacle that they would use for further terror brainwashing of america, more eye candy, just like the towers. They could have a 757 hit the pentagon whether it was aired or not, that'd be too much clean-up

these are my speculations, but I guess they are feasable
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9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I have heard that Raytheon was missing two A3s -- 77 and 93?
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The times i listed are the times the footage was broadcasted, not necessarily when it was recorded.

Please watch my movie: WTC7 The Smoking Gun of 9/11

This is exactly why I think they shot down the plane. The debris was "6-8" miles from the hole.

I have also heard that they gave an award in secret to the pilot who shot down the plane.

Even Rumsfeld put his foot in his mouth and said the plane was shot down (by the "terrorists"!). Now let me ask you this:

When was the last time you said something was "shot" by accident?

They were put out to distract us from the botched crash scene.

NO witnesses described a plane that had debris was falling out of it.

Most of the debris found far away was light debris; mostly paper stuff.

This perp site was a major player in brainwashing us and I called them out on it, well look at them now:

http://www.flight93crash.com/

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What's the source for this?

"Most of the debris found far away was light debris; mostly paper stuff."

"NO witnesses described a plane that had debris was falling out of it."

I don't know if that's true or not, but it doesn't really matter, does it? Things happen all the time without people seeing them happen.

I'm more interested in knowing if it's possible for debris to travel 6-8 miles away from the official flight 93 crash site.

If it can be proven that debris couldn't have traveled that far from the official crash site, then that proves conspiracy to cover-up 9/11.

Killtown, do you know exactly where the location of the debris field was in the video I posted? If so, do you know which direction the wind was traveling? Toward the debris mentioned in the video, or in a different direction?

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

"The plane seemed to be fully, or largely, intact. "I didn't see no smoke, nothing," said Nevin Lambert, an elderly farmer who witnessed the crash from his side yard less than a half-mile away.

"It's not true," said Shepley of the persistent rumors. "If it had been shot down, there would have been pieces flying, but it was intact - there was nothing wrong with it."

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/witnesses.html 

As for the debris far away, I can't find anything big/heavy that was said to be found miles away except "what appears to be human remains", but I haven't seen any confirmation of it.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/articles.html 

Note that I'm not saying a wide debris field doesn't exist and is not proof of a conspiracy, but there is really no hard evidence is was from a shot down plane because where did this shot down plane crash?

My best guess is the debris field far away was dropped from the skies by the perps in their failed crash scene attempt.

Those places are east of the crater.

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"...what we do know is that there's a site about half mile behind me, where the plane went down, where most of the debris is, and then about six miles away up by a lake, there is another area that's been cordoned off, and state police and the FBI have said definitely there is debris from the plane located there. "

Could the "lake" the reporter is talking about (where the debris landed) be "Quemahoning Reservoir" located on this Google map 6-8 miles North of 93's crash site (green arrow)?
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=40.050972,-78.904583

Are there reports of debris landing there?

If so, please post links to the mainstream news articles if you can, thanks.

Also, which direction & speed was the wind blowing from 93's crater? Did 93 fly over the the location of the 2nd debris pile (Quemahoning Reservoir?)?

Regarding the two witnesses you posted: don't they contradict your theory about no plane at Shanksville?

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

I have just one small problem with your theory. (No actually I have many, but ignore that for now.) If they were just going to fly two (or three) planes into buildings, why bother faking another event in essentially the middle of nowhere?

What is the motive for that? That really doesn't make any sense to me. It seems like a pointless exercise.

Now honestly... would you go through all of this just to make a hole in the ground? Just for the hell of it? I'm sorry but I just can't imagine the "conspiracy" meetings involving that plan.

"Ok sir... so we blow up the Trade Centers, attack the pentagon... and then... uh make a hole in the middle of Pennsylvania..."

I know you disagree with the shoot down and that’s fine… Now let's agree to disagree and let it be…

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

so it's impossible for me to answer that question.

But what is important is that the physical evidence proves no 757 crashed there, so everything else is a moot point.

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at some point you have to use simple common sense and logic in deciding whether something has the "ring of truth" to it and the like. To do otherwise is a fallacy and doing a disservice to any other theories and comments you may have.

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http://www.chico911truth.org/

Physics prove a large aircraft didn't crash there (see sig), so what more needs to be discussed?

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http://web.archive.org/web/*hh_/flight93crash.com/

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http://www.chico911truth.org/

Witnesses Heard Explosions Before Flight 93 Nose-Dived

A passenger inside a locked bathroom called emergency dispatchers using his cell phone. According to dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer the man said the plane "was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane."
[ Courier-Journal, 9/12/01 ]

Ernie Stuhl, the mayor of Shanksville: "I know of two people -- I will not mention names -- that heard a missile. They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards... This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." He adds that based on what he has learned, F-16's were "very, very close."
[ Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/01 ]

Laura Temyer of Hooversville: "I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny. I heard two more booms -- and then I did not hear anything. ... I think the plane was shot down," insists Temyer, who said she has twice told her story to the FBI. What's more, she insists that people she knows in state law enforcement have told her the same thing, that the plane was shot down and that decompression sucked objects from the aircraft, explaining why there was a wide debris field.
[ Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/01 ]

Unnamed witness: ... said he heard two loud bangs before watching the plane take a downward turn of nearly 90 degrees.
[ Cleveland Newschannel 5, 9/11/01 ]

Linda Shepley: She hears a loud bang and sees the plane bank to the side.
[ ABC News, 9/11/01,
cited by CooperativeResearch.org ]
She recalls seeing the plane wobbling right and left, at a low altitude of roughly 2,500 feet, when suddenly the right wing abruptly dipped straight down, and the Boeing 757 plunged into the earth.
[ Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/01 ]

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."