exactly.

Not only do you end the "illegal Iraq occupation", but you also REVERSE everything else that has happened as a result of the 9/11 attacks. Our loss of civil liberties. Our loss of the Constitution. Our loss of stature in the eyes of the world. Cindy doesn't seem to comprehend that these things are bad as well.

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Remember all of those "politicians" and people that have said 9/11 is a "dead issue". That it's in the past, and we should move on. Rep. Jerrold Nadler comes to mind.

It's the kind of thing that can make a person angry.

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The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

As Webster Tarpley says, 9/11 truth is the key to the remainder 30% who will support Bush no matter what BECAUSE OF 9/11. It is the Straussian myth keystone to the nightmare reality which they have created. Woe betide any working for "peace and justice" who cannot see this simple truth.

This is a complete 180 from when she appeared on Scarborough country last year. http://truthmattersfa.blogspot.com/2006_03_12_truthmattersfa_archive.htm...

That said, I find it hard to hold her accountable when I myself once believed in the official story, such is its power.

SHEEHAN: "But Osama bin Laden and 16 Saudi Arabians that went through—a lot of them went through Dubai to get to America, they‘re the ones that perpetrated that crime against America, not the people of Afghanistan and not the people of Iraq....And I think you go after the criminals, you don‘t go after innocent people."

But there it is anyway, the entire moral clusterf*ck which is the Iraq war. No matter what you think of the initial (attempt at) justification, you cannot escape the suffering of the innocents in that country, the ENTIRE country, and know that it is a crime against humanity. Shame on PNAC, and shame on the media for changing what words like "democracy" meant.

Of the idea that there is a difference between the "Anti-War Movement" and us. As I showed in this thread, we have been apart of the "Anti-War Movement" for as long as the "Anti-War Movement" has. How many times have you heard people from the 9/11 Truth Movement talk about the death and destruction taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan, and how it is unacceptable? How many times have you heard Cindy Sheehan speak publicly, and promote a new 9/11 investigation? As far as I'm concerned, we ARE the "Anti-War Movement" as well as the "9/11 Truth Movement". We have been reaching out to the "Anti-War Movement" for years. It's time for people like Cindy Sheehan to start reaching out to us. To stand by our cause, which, when she finally opens her eyes, will realize is hers as well.

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Kudos to David Ray Griffin for the excellent "New Pearl Harbour" This video is basically a glowing testament to its power as a book of logic and reason

For CRYING OUT LOUD...

"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens."

If the attack that caused these wars wasn't what we were led to believe, then the justification for these wars becomes INVALID.

What part of that doesn't the "Anti-War Movement" understand?

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methinks Ms. Sheehan is letting others steer the direction of the "anti-war movement"...

namely, vote for democrats, they will help us. yeah right.

That's why they're going to support more troops and more funding, because they are on your side anti-war movement.

And that's why the democrats want to enact the 911 commission reports recommendations, because of our "failure of imagination".... right...

keep telling yourself that.

Pay no attention to that curtain, Dorothy....I mean Cindy...

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Wrong post.

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Isn't a anti-war movement a peace movement? I get it, why the hell don't they? I know there are those who lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan and they want the wars to end....but they are part of the "War On Terror" and they had begun because of what happened on 9/11. The point is, We both want the same thing; Government accountability. How can that bridge get connected and crossed over?_Integrating both movements message seems to make perfect sense to Me, and I do integrate the wars themselves with 9/11. The stripping down of civil liberties goes in hand with 9/11, and Cindy ought to know this since she was removed from Congress Hall on One of Bush's SOTU address for wearing a shirt that had the causulties total on it._________________________________________________________________

The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

Jon, I understand your anger. It makes total sense to see the logical progression that has led up to the war, the catalyst being 9/11. One would cancel out the other, as you suggest.

However, for Cindy not to see that is understandable. Her son was killed in the war. Her focus has been on that. And without putting her on the couch and ripping apart her brain, I would suggest that if we are to win over anyone in the anti-war movement, that we do so with kindness and patience.

9/11 Truth was not an overnight revelation for me. It was months, perhaps a few years, of careful, objective, and critical thinking. She praises our cause. We should do the same for her. People (and hopefully, sheeple) will connect the dots on their own.

As the saying goes, "you can bring the horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Should we rush anyone to see 9/11 Truth by way of anger or criticism? Or is 9/11 awareness most genuine when it is self-discovered?

Respectfully,
Rob

You have a point. My perspective is different I think because it comes from someone who has aggressively and actively supported the efforts of Cindy Sheehan. You would be hard pressed to find more coverage of Cindy than on my website. It's time she started supporting me, and people like me (you/9/11 Truth Movement). It's time she started including 9/11 Truth into her message.

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If this were a shed, I would consider you a much sharper tool than Cindy.

I have faith that she will get there. And I have been equally frustrated with Michael Moore, mainly because he seemed to be one of the first to pose these questions. But he has slacked since then.

I think we need to just keep up with emails, posts, and letters of support to these "anti-war activists" and invite them to see things from our perspective.

Cheers.

Despite the above arguments that Cindy is not going far enough, I think this is huge. Cindy has a large following of supporters including Michael Moore and other influential anti-war/anti-Bush leaders. This admission will compel more (normally skeptical) people to see 9/11 truth in a new light and hopefully do some open-minded research on their own. Not everyone can be as dedicated and aggressive as Jon, but then a lot of the more timid people might be scared away by that aggressive style, yet encouraged by the softer words of a Cindy Sheehan. Anything that opens minds to the truth can only be good. This comes at an especially opportune time too, with the new evidence of the BBC and building 7. This new evidence would normally make for a slam-dunk case in any objective court of law. (As if there wasn't enough evidence already.)
Peace Truthers

Camp Casey?

I feel stongly that this maddness won't end with bringing our troops home from iraq. We can TAL:K about ending the war until we turn blue in the face it is only a fraction of the problem we face. The Bush administration has made it clear to all that they could care less what the people in this country think. they have an agenda and there's no turning back. 911 is the key to exposing this agenda and ending all the sh*t that has come since.
It's as simple as this. Until we can expose the truth about 911 nothing will change . They ( the peace movement ) can have small victories and false senses of acomplishments , but the problem will not just go away. Also the sonner EVERYONE in the peace movement pulls there head outta their *ss and realizes that 911 truth is the key the better off we'll all be.
Mike in Florida.....
Don't misunderstand my words Cindy is a great person and i respect her.

I am mystified by how few people seem to understand that 9/11 was the root cause of the invasions that followed.

The META message of 9/11 truth is that ALL governments lie to start wars.
They do it because very few people would want to start a war absent a direct threat to themselves.
What better way than to fake a direct threat?

And.... 9/11 truth will shake the power structure to it's very core.

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How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?

I want to see the criminals on trial in America, not the Hague.

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war crimes & crimes against humanity, not just against America! Stop being so America-centric! There are other honest people throughout the world too.

Any new "U.S. investigation" would likely mean 5-10 more years of stalling, obfuscation, & bullshitting--leading to yet another sham 9/11 Report!

that people in other parts of the world aren't honest? That's really fucked up.

What I'm saying is that a big part of what's going on now is the stripping away of the sovereignty of nations and we need to be able to clean up our own house unless we want someone else to come in and do it for us. I have no problem with the terrorists being tried in every country they have attacked. Just as long as the US is one of them - and if you think any of us are going to go along with another sham investigation, forgetaboutit.

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demanding justice too, not just us Americans. I don't want any 9/11 cover-up artists to investigate nor hold trials for 9/11 perpetrators.

How can anyone trust any U.S. investigation of 9/11 to be truthful after Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton, & NIST??? They were conspiracies of flagrant, boldfaced lies!

Only in the US? Americans were murdered by Americans on US soil. I want a murder trial.

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