CINDY SHEEHAN supports a New, Independent 9/11 Investigation!

Last night Cindy Sheehan came to Burlington, Vermont as part of a three day state tour to speak out against the war. It was held at the University of Vermont and there was time at the end for a question and answer session. Because of a ballot item being voted on this Tuesday, March 7, asking Burlington voters to support a new, independent forensic investigation into the events surrounding 9/11, a man asked Cindy what her stance was on 9/11. Here is a 3 minute video below. I don't know if her call for a new investigation is old news, but its pretty awesome nonetheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKdkmu5SGGY

What does everyone think?

Where to contact Cindy

Her Myspace page is here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi...

I thanked her in an email for acknoweldgement that the government has lied to us about 9/11. She also praised 9/11 Truth and our work, insisting that a new investigation begin.

She says she is occupied with stopping the war and hasn't had time to throroughly study 9/11, but it may help for us to give her a note of gratitude and support and to emphasize how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the stripping away of Constitutional rights are all inextricably tied to 9/11.

Those responsible for 9/11 are still at large. Let's call on her and everyone to bring them to justice.

Peace.

Thanks Rob I sent her this

You want impeachment? Out of Iraq? Our liberties back? It all boils down to 911. If you've read "A New Pearl Harbor" and seen Loose Change, how can you not realize that revealing the truth about 911 is the only way to stop the move in to Iran and get these things?
911 was a False Flag operation and another one is being prepared for Iran (the last issue of Newsweek has them plotting a terror attack in NYC! ) we must follow the lead of the rest of the world and reveal this criminal act (in the past) for what it was, then all of your dreams (for the future, above) will be realized.
Like any dictator, hubris is what brings them down. Demolishing those buildings was so blatant we must act on it or their hubris will increase!
God Bless you, you are a hero and your son would be proud of you.
Kevin in Seattle

We can do it! Remember, hope is the most important information we can convey! Let them be the fearmongers, we're the hopemongers!

Shock & Awe

By all means be respectful and polite when you write Ms. Sheehan, but you might consider ending your email with this, and ask her to turn up the volume.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc2_collapse_pops.wmv

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

This...

Is what gets me mad...

"But I don't have a lot of time to study it, because I'm working on ending this illegal Iraq occupation."

The justification for the illegal Iraq occupation was 9/11. If you take away that justification, Cindy, then you end this illegal Iraq occupation.

What part of that doesn't she understand?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Right,

exactly.

And...

Not only do you end the "illegal Iraq occupation", but you also REVERSE everything else that has happened as a result of the 9/11 attacks. Our loss of civil liberties. Our loss of the Constitution. Our loss of stature in the eyes of the world. Cindy doesn't seem to comprehend that these things are bad as well.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Now...

Remember all of those "politicians" and people that have said 9/11 is a "dead issue". That it's in the past, and we should move on. Rep. Jerrold Nadler comes to mind.

It's the kind of thing that can make a person angry.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

It's called...

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Absolutely correct Jon.

As Webster Tarpley says, 9/11 truth is the key to the remainder 30% who will support Bush no matter what BECAUSE OF 9/11. It is the Straussian myth keystone to the nightmare reality which they have created. Woe betide any working for "peace and justice" who cannot see this simple truth.

This is a complete 180 from when she appeared on Scarborough country last year. http://truthmattersfa.blogspot.com/2006_03_12_truthmattersfa_archive.html

That said, I find it hard to hold her accountable when I myself once believed in the official story, such is its power.

SHEEHAN: "But Osama bin Laden and 16 Saudi Arabians that went through—a lot of them went through Dubai to get to America, they‘re the ones that perpetrated that crime against America, not the people of Afghanistan and not the people of Iraq....And I think you go after the criminals, you don‘t go after innocent people."

But there it is anyway, the entire moral clusterf*ck which is the Iraq war. No matter what you think of the initial (attempt at) justification, you cannot escape the suffering of the innocents in that country, the ENTIRE country, and know that it is a crime against humanity. Shame on PNAC, and shame on the media for changing what words like "democracy" meant.

I'm very tired...

Of the idea that there is a difference between the "Anti-War Movement" and us. As I showed in this thread, we have been apart of the "Anti-War Movement" for as long as the "Anti-War Movement" has. How many times have you heard people from the 9/11 Truth Movement talk about the death and destruction taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan, and how it is unacceptable? How many times have you heard Cindy Sheehan speak publicly, and promote a new 9/11 investigation? As far as I'm concerned, we ARE the "Anti-War Movement" as well as the "9/11 Truth Movement". We have been reaching out to the "Anti-War Movement" for years. It's time for people like Cindy Sheehan to start reaching out to us. To stand by our cause, which, when she finally opens her eyes, will realize is hers as well.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I forgot something...

Kudos to David Ray Griffin for the excellent "New Pearl Harbour" This video is basically a glowing testament to its power as a book of logic and reason

I mean...

For CRYING OUT LOUD...

"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens."

If the attack that caused these wars wasn't what we were led to believe, then the justification for these wars becomes INVALID.

What part of that doesn't the "Anti-War Movement" understand?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Controlled Opposition

methinks Ms. Sheehan is letting others steer the direction of the "anti-war movement"...

namely, vote for democrats, they will help us. yeah right.

That's why they're going to support more troops and more funding, because they are on your side anti-war movement.

And that's why the democrats want to enact the 911 commission reports recommendations, because of our "failure of imagination".... right...

keep telling yourself that.

Pay no attention to that curtain, Dorothy....I mean Cindy...

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Edit...

Wrong post.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

We are a peace movement aren't We?

Isn't a anti-war movement a peace movement? I get it, why the hell don't they? I know there are those who lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan and they want the wars to end....but they are part of the "War On Terror" and they had begun because of what happened on 9/11. The point is, We both want the same thing; Government accountability. How can that bridge get connected and crossed over?_Integrating both movements message seems to make perfect sense to Me, and I do integrate the wars themselves with 9/11. The stripping down of civil liberties goes in hand with 9/11, and Cindy ought to know this since she was removed from Congress Hall on One of Bush's SOTU address for wearing a shirt that had the causulties total on it._________________________________________________________________

The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

The bigger picture...

Jon, I understand your anger. It makes total sense to see the logical progression that has led up to the war, the catalyst being 9/11. One would cancel out the other, as you suggest.

However, for Cindy not to see that is understandable. Her son was killed in the war. Her focus has been on that. And without putting her on the couch and ripping apart her brain, I would suggest that if we are to win over anyone in the anti-war movement, that we do so with kindness and patience.

9/11 Truth was not an overnight revelation for me. It was months, perhaps a few years, of careful, objective, and critical thinking. She praises our cause. We should do the same for her. People (and hopefully, sheeple) will connect the dots on their own.

As the saying goes, "you can bring the horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Should we rush anyone to see 9/11 Truth by way of anger or criticism? Or is 9/11 awareness most genuine when it is self-discovered?

Respectfully,
Rob

Rob...

You have a point. My perspective is different I think because it comes from someone who has aggressively and actively supported the efforts of Cindy Sheehan. You would be hard pressed to find more coverage of Cindy than on my website. It's time she started supporting me, and people like me (you/9/11 Truth Movement). It's time she started including 9/11 Truth into her message.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Thanks for the reply...

If this were a shed, I would consider you a much sharper tool than Cindy.

I have faith that she will get there. And I have been equally frustrated with Michael Moore, mainly because he seemed to be one of the first to pose these questions. But he has slacked since then.

I think we need to just keep up with emails, posts, and letters of support to these "anti-war activists" and invite them to see things from our perspective.

Cheers.

support for Cindy

Despite the above arguments that Cindy is not going far enough, I think this is huge. Cindy has a large following of supporters including Michael Moore and other influential anti-war/anti-Bush leaders. This admission will compel more (normally skeptical) people to see 9/11 truth in a new light and hopefully do some open-minded research on their own. Not everyone can be as dedicated and aggressive as Jon, but then a lot of the more timid people might be scared away by that aggressive style, yet encouraged by the softer words of a Cindy Sheehan. Anything that opens minds to the truth can only be good. This comes at an especially opportune time too, with the new evidence of the BBC and building 7. This new evidence would normally make for a slam-dunk case in any objective court of law. (As if there wasn't enough evidence already.)
Peace Truthers

If I remember correctly, weren't 9/11 truthers banned from

Camp Casey?

I agree with jon 100%

I feel stongly that this maddness won't end with bringing our troops home from iraq. We can TAL:K about ending the war until we turn blue in the face it is only a fraction of the problem we face. The Bush administration has made it clear to all that they could care less what the people in this country think. they have an agenda and there's no turning back. 911 is the key to exposing this agenda and ending all the sh*t that has come since.
It's as simple as this. Until we can expose the truth about 911 nothing will change . They ( the peace movement ) can have small victories and false senses of acomplishments , but the problem will not just go away. Also the sonner EVERYONE in the peace movement pulls there head outta their *ss and realizes that 911 truth is the key the better off we'll all be.
Mike in Florida.....
Don't misunderstand my words Cindy is a great person and i respect her.

Thick headed people

I am mystified by how few people seem to understand that 9/11 was the root cause of the invasions that followed.

The meta message of 9/11 truth

The META message of 9/11 truth is that ALL governments lie to start wars.
They do it because very few people would want to start a war absent a direct threat to themselves.
What better way than to fake a direct threat?

And.... 9/11 truth will shake the power structure to it's very core.

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How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?

Wikipedia:

Cindy Lee Miller Sheehan (born July 10, 1957) is an American anti-Iraq War activist, whose son, Casey Sheehan, was killed during his service in Iraq. She attracted international attention in August 2005 for her extended demonstration at a peace camp outside President George W. Bush's Texas ranch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan

No way do I trust that any new investigation of 9/11 would be

fair & honest! We need something along the lines of taking the mountains of truthers' evidence to the Hague for some sorts of international hearings & trials!

We need to learn how to clean up our own shit

I want to see the criminals on trial in America, not the Hague.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Hold hearings & trials throughout the world then! These were

war crimes & crimes against humanity, not just against America! Stop being so America-centric! There are other honest people throughout the world too.

Any new "U.S. investigation" would likely mean 5-10 more years of stalling, obfuscation, & bullshitting--leading to yet another sham 9/11 Report!

Did my statement strike you as implying

that people in other parts of the world aren't honest? That's really fucked up.

What I'm saying is that a big part of what's going on now is the stripping away of the sovereignty of nations and we need to be able to clean up our own house unless we want someone else to come in and do it for us. I have no problem with the terrorists being tried in every country they have attacked. Just as long as the US is one of them - and if you think any of us are going to go along with another sham investigation, forgetaboutit.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

No, I meant that there are good people thoughout the world

demanding justice too, not just us Americans. I don't want any 9/11 cover-up artists to investigate nor hold trials for 9/11 perpetrators.

How can anyone trust any U.S. investigation of 9/11 to be truthful after Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton, & NIST??? They were conspiracies of flagrant, boldfaced lies!

You don't think there are cover-up artists at the Hague?

Only in the US? Americans were murdered by Americans on US soil. I want a murder trial.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Process for international war crimes procecution

good point about cleaning up our own stuff. I hope it will be possible. We can strive for it, as we are.

The international court stuff is not practical.

The process of getting something to the Hague involves a sponsor country referring it there. I think it then goes to the Security Council, and all five members have to agree about bringing it to trial.

Can you imagine this happening, vis-a-vis a US administration? Can you imagine the outcry in this coutry about it, if that process got started? Do you think this country would continue to fund the UN if this process got started?

Anyway, the UN doesn't seem to start such proceedings against sitting heads of state, or current administrations. I gather there is even a rule against that, that they follow. If the accused leader get deposed first, then it can happen -- as it did with Milosevic.

911 lie bad for everyone

Not only is 911 the excuse to start wars and usher in Big Brother, it's also bad for the environment. No amount of "going green" and fighting global warming is going to mean shit as long as the war machine is going full tilt. All the planes, tanks, ships,etc. burning up fuel and all the bombs and burning oil refineries totally negate the efforts of your average citizen turning off lights and taking the bus to work. Not to mention WW3, which will also be bad for the environment. What a joke. David Suzuki, Al Gore, and all the other so called environmentalists should come on board with the truth movement.

Good point.

Avoidance of war -should- be at the top of every environmentalists agenda. Wonder if "Mad Dog" Gore sees it that way? Maybe someone should ask him about 9/11.

Of course! And we sure don't wan't any more innocent men, women

& children being killed or mutilated by continuing Bush/Cheney Blitzkriegs based on lies!

It's baffling

Yeah, I've wondered about this tunnel reasoning alot.

It's some kind of difference between people in basic perceptions of the world, where certain people can immediately see the full implications of 9/11 being an inside job -- yet others, even when they see it (or acknowledge its possibility), don't seem to grok the full ramifications. They want to stop what's "happening now" without seeing ALL of what's happening now, and that just stopping these wars will leave the cancer in place.

It's the whole Clash of Civilizations/War on Terror and Rogue States paradigm that needs to be pulled out by the roots -- and exposing 9/11 is the best opportunity there is to do that.

Still, it's good that Cindy S. is respectful and open about these efforts these days. Shows things are shifting.

she still doesnt get it. her

she still doesnt get it. her heart, like most anti-war activists is in the right place. but to hear her say "it already happened" and crap like that just angers me. some people just refuse to understand the implications of government/intelligence/business involvement in 9/11 and what ramifications exposing that would have. the anti-war movement hasnt stopped any wars, they cant at this point. 9/11 truth probably would. it would shake the system like the anti-war movement never could.

Yes, and I want to see much more from Ms. Sheehan regarding

9/11 truth before I stop thinking that she may well be a gatekeeper/shill.

Yes

It's called striking the root.
The anti-war movement IS us.
Sheehan is going after a symptom. We are after the cause, or the root. Sheehan supports democrats who do NOTHING but talk about ending the war. Talk is cheap. We can't pussyfoot around this issue, we need to get right down to the core, which is 9/11. How could anyone in the so-called anti-war movement watch Loose Change and read DRG's book and not be convinced?

Well at least she supports a new investigation, but I believe we need her to start talking 9/11 in every interview she does.

Why didn't you come forward earlier? What were you waiting for?

From V for Vendetta:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/quotes
Finch: Rookwood. Why didn't you come forward earlier? What were you waiting for?
V: For you, Inspector. I needed you.

Well done mash up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHJ8WLXhW8

That Cindy is coming forward with what she said gives us a big boost on the social proof front.

Let us use what she has given us to spread even more truth.

Thanks.

This is great but she

This is great but she doesn’t seem to understand that the "war on terror", not just Iraq, can only be fully delegitimized and ended through 9/11 truth.

Just a thought...

...but, isn't this video going to pose quite a problem for the left gate-keeper blogs that regularly delete and ban discussions about 9/11 truth and the call for a new investigation?

I mean, here is one of the left's most notorious heros admitting that a new investigation is warranted. She has seen LC and read New Pearl Harbor (though she can't remember DRG's last name).

The likes of dailykos are going to look pretty fucked up, even to some of their more ardent supporters, if they delete discussions initiated with this video.

(wink, wink. nudge, nudge.)

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Hey, lookie...

...I just found an open thread:

Open Thread
by openthread

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/3/94323/26039

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Good thinking

This is smart, dicktater. The left loves Cindy, so her comments here will have to force something on that crowd.

I couldn't find what you were referring to on the Daily Kos open thread. What was it?

open thread = ...

all topics allowed.

a place to start one on cindy's video, i guess.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Democrats? End the war? bwahahahahahahahhaha

U.S. House Democrats seek more war funds than Bush

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01426347.htm

"There will be $98 billion for the military part," about $5 billion above the Bush administration's request, said Rep. John Murtha, chairman of a defense spending panel overseeing war funds.

Republicans and many conservative Democrats have expressed opposition to adding such conditions. That has forced House Democratic leaders to try to find a compromise that allows them to say they are working to phase out the war while also fully funding troops already in Iraq.

The additional money House Democrats want to add in includes $1 billion more for U.S. troops girding for a spring offensive in Afghanistan, Murtha said, and nearly $1 billion more to treat wounded American soldiers suffering from brain injuries and psychological problems related to combat.

I'm hearing this year's spring fling will be held in Iran and not Afghanistan.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Oh Cindy, Cindy...

I'm sorry,guys, but I just lost a lot of respect for Ms. Sheehan. "Not enough time...", yeah, right, like the most important event in most of our lives doesn't urge you to take the time and research every angle to make your conclusion that 911 was a government-backed operation. Doug Herman, which of the "5 C's" is Cindy operating under? Complacency, or maybe Cowardice?

I've had so much respect for her, I almost feel offended.

News from today's SF propaganda rag: US will work on a new nuclear warhead at Livermore-$$$ for scientists!And not a word about BBC WTC 7 cock-up.

The fascists are still ahead.