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Jim Hoffman's article on BBC's 9/11 Timeline & Foreknowledge of WTC 7's Collapse

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Submitted by stallion4 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 2:09am.
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From wtc7.net

The BBC Bombshell

Archived footage of television broadcasts from 9/11/2001 shows the BBC reporting the collapse of WTC 7 about 23 minutes before it actually occurred.


BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reports that the Salomon Brothers' Building (WTC 7) has collapsed, unaware that the intact building is clearly visible behind her.

On February 22, 2007, an extensive archive of television broadcast footage covering the attack was discovered on Archive.org and publicized on a blog. The archive consists of 417 mpegs, each covering about 41 minutes of broadcast. The coverage includes the following six television stations and time spans: Continued...

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It still seems odd to me

It still seems odd to me that the background skyline is in great focus, but the broadcaster is not. It seems almost as if this is a composite of two videos. Am I totally wrong here?

Submitted by FalseDichotomy on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 8:42am.
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Yes, you are totally wrong

Maybe you haven't seen the full resolution video yet.
It is some of the best technical quality vid I've seen. Very good resolution and she is definitely standing in front of a picture window with a live view of lower Manhattan.

And to that the fact that the BBC letter makes no attempt to dispute the authenticity of the video clip.

Peace.
Matt
matt@9eleven.info

Submitted by Matt on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:11am.
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That is great to hear, all I

That is great to hear, all I had seen was the google video clip.

Thanks for the information!!

Submitted by FalseDichotomy on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:30am.
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What's the name for?

Is it just me or I've never heard the WTC7 by the name of Salomon's Brother Building. Are we really talking about the same 47th floor thing?

Just asking. Curiosity

Submitted by Drummerboy on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 5:21pm.
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Here, this article explains things a bit

February 19, 1989
COMMERCIAL PROPERTY: The Salomon Solution; A Building Within a Building, at a Cost of $200 Million
By MARK MCCAIN
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDD113BF93AA25751C0A...

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

Submitted by stallion4 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 5:50pm.
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Thanks Stalion4!

Drummerboy

Submitted by Drummerboy on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 8:16pm.
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I agree, the video's real.

I agree, the video's real. The truth is in the cover-up. The archives were deleted quickly. The video was being removed from video sites online, until it was clear that the genie was out of the bottle. I'm sure their are other priceless clips in the archive. But, the reaction alone should be enough to validate the video.

Submitted by Slipgrid on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:18am.
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Do you know anyone who goes

Do you know anyone who goes to UCLA? They should have all these videos in their archive. They say the have 27 million feet of news reel footage.

http://www.cinema.ucla.edu/

If it's a fake, it should be obvious. There's always a clue. Is the direction of the sunlight in her hair correct? That's what gives me pause. Because if they edited/faked this frame by frame, that would be the hardest part to make look right. It's easier to just distort it image than to cut it correctly.

Regardless, I am sure it's real. That and the CNN video.

Submitted by Slipgrid on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:31am.
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DIGG HERE

Please did the TIMESTAMP CONFIRMS BBC:
TOP ONE HERE:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most

Please digg it from there, It counts twice as much.

Submitted by sleepy2k23 (not verified) on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:28am.
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This story is the real thing!

A german blog reports that one on of the major newspaper in Germany "Die Bild", also had foreknowledge of the whole event!
http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/

More evidence that it's "business as usual" for them to sent "pre-event-news" out to the orwelian media around the world!

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"in the end deceivers deceive only themselves"
- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by BurninH3ll on Thu, 03/01/2007 - 3:26am.
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Can anyone definitively answer this?

I'm trying to find out if both of these videos were derived from the same source, the "Internet Archive".

(Let me re-phrase that... does the newest video with time-stamp also derive from the same group of files at the Internet Archive?)

The newest with time-stamp;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-770929074608938354&hl=en-GB

The original from the weekend;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096&c=1

Also, does anyone have these on unedited VHS tape?

Assuming that both videos derive from the same raw digital file(s)... who upped them to the Archive?

Anyone have definitive answers on this?

Submitted by Reprehensor on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:04am.
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Here's a couple of answers...




Does the newest video with time-stamp also derive from the same group of files at the Internet Archive

NO - The Internet archive had footage for the 11, 12 and 13th Sept 2001 for :

- NBC
- ABC7 Washington
- BBC World
- FOX5 Washington
- CNN
- CBS9 Washington

This did not include BBC News 24, personally I would like to see a much longer clip, not saying it is not valid, but would like to see it go on for another 25 minutes to see if the reports are similar to BBC World.


Also, does anyone have these on unedited VHS tape

Each channel had approx 58 hours of continuous and unbroken footage stored on archive.org, so it would many tapes, someone out there has the originals.


Assuming that both videos derive from the same raw digital file(s)... who upped them to the Archive?

Some great person... There are several posts discussing contact with archive.org yesterday.

Last contact in the blog post : http://www.911blogger.com/node/6391#comment-120220


-------

Two days ago, I sent a direct "contact form" to 911blogger admins, regarding FTP upload instructions and assistance.

Mentioning that I had produced a medium res WMV file that shows time sychronized continuous footage from 14:40 to 17:18 (so timings could be verified etc).

The file is approx 700MB and starts at the LIVE Pataki press conference with an accurate timestamp of 14:40 Eastern Time.

NO one responded, not even an acknowledgment.


Best wishes.

Submitted by 911veritas on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:03am.
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NO one responded, not even

NO one responded, not even an acknowledgment.

Who did you send it to? You'll note that I mentioned we were having issues getting our emails the other day, so I added a link to show our direct email addresses instead of using the contact form.. If you click on 'contact us' in the upper left, then click on 'dz' you should see a link to an image there which has my email address..

sorry you didnt get a response, i assure you it wouldnt have been intentional.. let me know where you send it once you resend it.

Submitted by dz on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:15am.
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Thanks dz....

Sorry if that comment came across a bit "strong", it just felt like getting traction with slick tires in mud ;-)

I'm still catching up on my sleep, following this six day marathon, so please excuse any grumpiness.

Started here : http://www.911blogger.com/node/6400#comment-119070 (and that was after two days of archived footage trawling)


I have sent a "test" message, I did not keep the original message text, but DBLS suggested I contact you regarding uploading the 14:40 to 17:18 700MB WMV file.

Best wishes and thanks for 911blogger.com

PS... on my little film 911blogger.com was the first site I suggested viewers visited ;-)

Submitted by 911veritas on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:31am.
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on second thought, i just

on second thought, i just emailed you FTP upload info via your email address you registered with.

let me know if you don't get it!

Submitted by dz on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:24am.
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Thank you.

I'll blog seperately on provenance for video #2.

Hang in there, veritas! You're doing a great job.

Submitted by Reprehensor on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:45am.
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Just Stupid

They have a wonderful vantage point from where they are located.

You would think that if a 47 story building had collapsed anytime in the hour prior to broadcast..... that they would have seen it.

Big clouds of dust..... smoke.... chatter all over the police radios.... people pointing and gasping...... one less building on the horizon..... film footage???

She has to know exactly what happened after her broadcast was cut..... because all she had left to do was look out the window..... at the actual collapse of the building.

a building which she didn't report collapsed later.... a building that she found out was building 7 which she had already reported on.

She remembers!
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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

Submitted by JJJames on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:20am.
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Excellent observations JJ

Excellent observations JJ.

They just reported it as a fact, not wondering do we have footage of it? ... So tell me Jane, did you see it going down, etc...

Just incredible!!!

Submitted by TNF on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:09am.
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Ding dong, the witch is dead...

...doesn't all of this just make you want to sing?

I have been participating at this sight for a few months now but I never before found myself giggling over anything.  Sure, there have been plenty of great blogs but this BBC thing...

...the wicked witch, the wicked old witch.

Submitted by Ken Eichler on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:34am.
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I agree, this is by far the

I agree, this is by far the most interesting clip I have ever seen on this topic. It is crazy! We just need to find a way for it to get more play in the msm.

Submitted by Slipgrid on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:41am.
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calling all celebrities

Rosie? Get this out to your soccer moms asap.

Justice deferred is justice denied-MLK

Submitted by jcook on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:44am.
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Lionel, one of the top-rated

Lionel, one of the top-rated radio hosts in the country (and a great friend to the 9/11 truth community), discussed it in the third hour of his show last night.

http://wor710.com/pages/46363.php

Submitted by LEH on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:49am.
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Re: Lionel discussed it in the third hour of his show last night

Thanks for the info.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

Submitted by stallion4 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:44am.
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I agree.

If she was still there after she lost her feed, trying to re-establish contact with London, there's no way she could have missed it. Can you imagine her surprise? "Wait, what building was that? The one I just reported had already collapsed? Come again?!?" Talk about something that would be seared into your mind! She totally remembers. This is ridiculous.

Submitted by j on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 10:49am.
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Has

anyone seen footage of this BBC anchor reporting just after WTC 7 actually falls? Seems to me he would then have said something like, 'We are just getting word that another building has collapsed. It appears that the building is the same building we just mistakenly reported had collapsed. Again, we earlier reported in error, and the Solamon Brothers Building has now collapsed."

Or, did the BBC never re-report this collapse event? In essence, leaving the false report to stand as the original report on the collapse of WTC 7.

Submitted by MT on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 11:09am.
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I'm going to pretend to be an advocate for BBC...

I'm going to pretend to be an advocate for BBC. Here's an example of what could have been said about the WTC 7 reporting gaff, with minimum spin. Imaginine how much less squirmy and suspicious it would have appeared (than the actual attempt made by the head of news at BBC):

1. On 9/11/01, we pulled a report of the "collapse" of the Solomon Bros. Building/WTC 7 off the news wire (which was available to other news agencies) and reported it.

2. Subsequently, we have discovered, thanks to the submissions from viewers of archived BBC footage of 9/11, that during our report of the above "news", the building in fact still existed, and could be seen in the background of one of our reporters doing a live report.

3. Our reporter (as most people in America and the rest of the world) did not know what WTC 7 looked like, so did not recognize it in her background shot.

So we at BBC are left with some questions to answer:

Q. From where did that erroneous wire information originate?

A. We are investigating that now.
Wire sources are usually credible, but
have at times proven erroneous. When we find out about a wire error, the BBC always make the error known, and reports a correction. In this case, we were not made aware of the gaff until today.

Q. Why didn't any among our reporting crew take a moment to verify which building collapsed and try to identify the location of said building in the background of our live feed?

A. As stated before, at the time, relatively few people outside of NYC would be able to identify WTC 7 in a moments notice.

We would hope our viewers would understand the unique urgency and chaos of that day, and the subsequent increase in the possibility of receiving faulty information. However, we at the BBC regret this error, and are investigating it thoroughly. We will have a report on it in short order.

We thank those sharp-eyed individuals for making us aware of this error. Anything that can help the BBC maintain and even improve upon it's record of high quality, world class reporting is always appreciated.
---end of response.

I'm not saying such a response wouldn't still be weak... just better :)

Submitted by Alex on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 12:02pm.
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Alex you're quite the wordsmith...

I'm glad you're on our side. Now stop giving them tips! Surely they must be trawling all of 911blogger right now trying to contain this latest "cock-up".

At last look, I counted well over 100 angry replies to the obvious propaganda piece they released trying to contain this firestorm. Imagine how many replies they actually received.

In my count, fewer than three supported their explanation. That's not a very good percentile.

Certainly makes you wonder why the BBC would risk further damaging its credibility by releasing such an obvious pack of lies and further propaganda.

My only disappointment is that the MSM has completely ignored this story. What does that tell you?

But this will not go away. In fact, we need to make sure this doesn't go away. We need to force our political representatives to comment on this. On both sides of the fence! Particularly the so-called "right".

As far as I'm concerned, the damn has finally begun to crack. Let's burst the baby wide open!!!

Submitted by Chris Rose on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 1:40pm.
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Furthermore...

the BBC has done more to expose the fact that 9/11 was indeed an Inside Job by releasing it's latest propagand piece.

Take a look at the comments they received after addressing some issues last October 2006: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.ht...

Most were supportive of the BBC and it's explanation. Contrast that against the comments they received yesterday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.htm...

Thanks BBC... you've really helped propel the 9/11 Truth Movement!

BTW, the latest comments are now up to 208. Overwhelmingly slamming the BBC and its shoddy response.

I'm loving this man!

Submitted by Chris Rose on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 1:54pm.
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Thanks, Chris R...

... for your kind words, and further info on this topic.

I'll refrain from giving the BBC further PR pointers. Then again, maybe they'll hire me as a corporate liar, er, spokesperson, and perhaps, archivist on the weekends :)

Submitted by Alex on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 6:16pm.
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Perhaps the original source of the WTC-7 story was a U.S. Govt

press release (NSA, CIA, or FBI trying to make sure everyone would report the same "story", but they accidentally jumping the gun.) This could explain why BBC & others just want to drop the incident like a hot potato now, not wanting to further open the can of worms.

Submitted by Colombo on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 2:25pm.