:sigh: i didnt do it, but just a guess? maybe its because you not only pimped your site but took a swipe at 911blogger.com in the process? dont take it personal man, people vote me down all the time.

I voted you down because the only reason you ever comment is to pimp your site. Also I have seen you diss many other sites while propping yours up, now including this one and 911truth.org.

Also, I don't refer anyone to websites which mix absolute disinformation with real information -> http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth911/truth911/anomalies.htm

And finally because your opening animation takes over a minute to load even on highspeed, in which time most people will just move on.

Oh, and I voted down this comment too because you always tell others to "fuck off" when they say they don't like your site. Which of course is ironic given your comments on others sites in the past.

I am an Englishman and as such have no knowledge of the American legal system, but here goes...

A while back, I remember reading on here that because the twin towers were officially brought down as a result of the two planes flying into them in a terrorist act then that meant that the investigation into the deaths of people who were in the twin towers came under the jurisdiction of the FBI and as such could not be investigated by NYC/NY Port Authority (help me out here) - somebody mentioned that if it was 'recognised' that explosives brought down the twin towers then jurisdiction would be switched from the FBI.

It has recently been pointed out on here that somebody died in the WTC7 building collapse - put that together with Silverstein's 'pull it' comment and isn't that enough to bring a case through NYC/NY Port Authority - over here it would be called corporate manslaughter.

Any thoughts on this?

Yorkshireman

Yorkshireman, this is good thinking -- but as it happens, it seems a bit off-topic to the particular thread here, which is about what to say on a 60 sec. radio spot. Unless you are proposing that they/we mention this legal angle?

It does look like your idea has considerable merit on its own. I hope someone can make use of it.

But for these 60 seconds the fellow will need to get accross the glaring evidence, the big stuff, avoiding anything resembling legal details.

In fact, I do propose that the 'pull it' remark itself be left out of these 60 seconds -- and I notice that I am disagreeing here with lalo's post below. The culpability of that remark is denyable, and Silverstein has already denied that he meant that they pull the building down. Let's stick with the undeniable stuff.

I agree that no time should be wasted on it.

Ouyay reay osay levercay andraykilleray

"why did Rudy happen to have a face mask at the ready?"

I don't think time should be used on fairly easily explainable details like that.

As regards physical evidence, this is what I tried to have published on the BBC page:
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True, steel has lost half of its strength at around 650 degrees Celsius (however, according to tests I've read, the required temperature is higher in real-world buildings, in which steel members are not exposed on all sides to fire, as they are in simple laboratory settings). However, none of the WTC steel samples analyzed by NIST showed temperatures anywhere near that. And even if the steel temperatures had been around 1000 degrees Celsius, as NIST nevertheless felt (ex post facto, so to speak) necessary to claim, there is a long way from some local softening to even a partial collapse of a single floor, let alone to a sudden, symmetrical destruction of 110 floors, and at the speed of 7 to 8 floors per second (meaning, of course, that the much more massive and sturdier lower portions of the skyscrapers offered practically no resistance at all) after a period of burning - in the case of the South Tower, 56 minutes - in which a Finnish midsummer bonfire just begins to be ready for sausage grilling.
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The pretty much resistance-less total collapse of three buildings might be worth mentioning. Other things worth mentioning: the destruction of evidence (NIST: "no steel was recovered from WTC 7"), the fact that NIST struggles with its WTC 7 report, the fact that NIST's twin tower report is a pre-collapse theory.

Non-physical evidence:

- the obstruction of investigations as detailed by Jon Gold -the disappointment of the widows and widowers in the Commission report
- FBI "has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"
- top bin Laden expert: the "confession video" is fake

because of the crazy theories? Nooooo. Because by his own admission, Traitor Kos accepts that the attacks were the work of al Qaeda and the muzzle-'im hijackers. This leaves absolutely no room for perfectly sane theories or even problems being pointed out with the official conspiracy, both that will get you banned on dkos. I think it's obvious why that site bans discussion of 9/11--they are suppressing the truth.

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

Because he wants to maintain his credibility in the eyes of the power establishment, his readers, and the majority of Americans.

Are you really oblivious to how dangerous this is for many people? Do you fail to comprehend how violently people want to reject this idea - not because they are traitors, but because it is horrifying to think your own government is a bunch of mass murderers.

I spent an evening presenting the evidence to a friend whjo is an architect. He was extremely resistent at first. So we went through all the evidence until he finally saw it.

He threw up. He won't talk about it now. He was truly horrified.

It is really hard to take people seriously who cannot acknowledge the severity of what they are advocating, how difficult it is for ordinary people to accept, and how high the standard of proof has to be as a consequence.

for some people and you always need to be ready to provide a lot of support to those who are so affected.

metalious - I hope you will help him work through it and help him realize the peace and beauty that comes from embracing the truth and throwing off the lies. Please don't leave him in a state of fear and depression. Help him find his light.

We are all brothers and sisters on this big, beautiful, blue ball.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

for your architect friend, but in the end he overcame his resistance, 'went through all the evidence until he finally saw it.'

Good for him. Good for all those like him who've overcome such reluctance over the past 5-1/2 years.

If all these people can manage it, however unpleasant the experience, then what, pray tell, is Daily Kos' excuse?

And what's this reference to 'how difficult it is for ordinary people to accept'? Apart from our rejection of the official story of 9/11, don't most people currently in this movement qualify as 'ordinary people' in most every other respect?

except I would say that there are some pretty extraordinary people in the truth movement. we, unlike many, can handle the truth without tossing our cookies. I find it incredible that kos actually has apologists on this subject. Ïf kos wanted to maintain credibility, he would speak the truth, or at the very least stop making claims about something he at best doesn't understand at all. Now, if what he really wants is to suck up to the power elite who want this issue to go away, THEN he's going about it the right way. Too bad, he chose... poorly.

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

cool. no really. thanks for sharing. I worked the Spielberg/Obama party last night at the Bev Wilshire. Supposed to have been about 700 guests. Lots of fancy cars and tinted windows. One huge stretch really slowed down to look at my sign. Just me and a guy with a sign that no one could read. Something about the CIA stages auto accidents. Don't worry. They could read mine. Also worked the Crenshaw rally. I'm beginning to think this is a one-man-show out here in L.A.

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

i thought I was a one man show but persistence paid off and a small movement seems to have sprung up around me here in the boston area. every little bit helps, it really does. the cavalry is on its way!

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

I'll follow up with ArtV. I guess I have to register to respond. I'm associated with http://www.911truthla.us and I am trying to drive home the importance of ... v-i-s-i-b-i-l-i-t-y.

to respond there - I tried your contact link here first but it's turned off - keep up the good work

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I just turned it on. I guess when I set up my account here, I wasn't sure what that was about. This provides a way for us to communicate off the main pages I take it. That's a good feature.