How Did They Know Building 7 Was Going to Collapse?


"That building is never coming down, that didn't get hit by a plane, why isn't somebody in there putting the fire out?"

- Comment by a firefighter, September 11, 2001.

 

World Trade Center Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper, located a few hundred feet from the twin towers. No plane hit it, yet at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001 it collapsed entirely to the ground in the space of just 6.6 seconds. No building like it, a modern, steel-framed high-rise, had ever collapsed because of fire before. In fact, photos indicate that the fires it did suffer were relatively minor, particularly when compared to other building fires that have not caused such a total collapse. If the official explanation is correct--that WTC 7's collapse was not due to pre-planted explosives--then this was the biggest scientific anomaly of all time. People must surely have been astonished when this massive building suddenly fell to the ground late in the afternoon of 9/11.

Yet this was not the case.

As the dozens of witness accounts below show, many people were warned in advance to evacuate the area surrounding WTC 7, because of the "imminent" collapse. Indeed, a specific "collapse zone" was set up and, consequently, there were no casualties when WTC 7 eventually fell. Furthermore, a small number of senior firefighters have claimed they could tell beforehand that this building was going to come down, even though such an event would have been totally unprecedented.

So how did they know Building 7 was going to collapse?

 

WITNESSES WHO WERE WARNED OF THE IMPENDING COLLAPSE

1) Firefighter Thomas Smith: "They backed me off the rig because seven was in dead jeopardy, so they backed everybody off and moved us to the rear end of Vesey Street. We just stood there for a half hour, 40 minutes, because seven was in imminent collapse and finally did come down." (Interview, 12/6/2001)

2) Firefighter Vincent Massa: "At this point Seven World Trade Center was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. ... I remember later on in the day as we were waiting for seven to come down, they kept backing us up Vesey, almost like a full block. They were concerned about seven coming down, and they kept changing us, establishing a collapse zone and backing us up." (Interview, 12/4/2001)

3) Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy: "Then, like I said, building seven was in eminent collapse. They blew the horns. They said everyone clear the area until we got that last civilian out. We tried to give another quick search while we could, but then they wouldn't let us stay anymore. So we cleared the area. ... So yeah, then we just stayed on Vesey until building seven came down." (Interview, 12/30/2001)

4) Indira Singh, a volunteer EMT: "What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. ... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. ... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being brought down. ... There was another panic around four o'clock because they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running." (KPFA, 4/27/2005)

5) EMT Joseph Fortis: "When the third building came down, we were on that corner in front of the school, and everybody just stood back. They pulled us all back at the time, almost about an hour before it, because they were sure -- they knew it was going to come down, but they weren't sure. So they pulled everyone back, and everybody stood there and we actually just waited and just waited and waited until it went down, because it was unsafe." (Interview, 11/9/2001)

6) Fire Chief Thomas McCarthy: "So when I get to the command post, they just had a flood of guys standing there. They were just waiting for 7 to come down. ... I made it down Vesey Street to just in front of the overpass of 7 World Trade. People were saying don't stand under there, it's going to come down. ... So at that point we were a little leery about how the bridge was tied in, so no one was really going onto it, and then they were also saying 7 was going to come down. They chased everyone off the block." (Interview, 10/11/2001)

7) Firefighter Matthew Long: "And at that point they were worried that 7 was coming down so they were calling for everyone to back out. ... Because they were just adamant about 7 coming down immediately. I think we probably got out of that rubble and 18 minutes later is when 7 came down." (Interview, 10/9/2001)

8) Firefighter Edward Kennedy: "That was the only Mayday that I remember, and to tell you the truth, the only guy that really stands out in my mind that I remember being on the radio was Chief Visconti. ... I remember him screaming about 7, No. 7, that they wanted everybody away from 7 because 7 was definitely going to collapse, they don't know when, but it's definitely going to come down, just get the hell out of the way, everybody get away from it, make sure you're away from it, that's an order, you know, stuff like that." (Interview, 1/17/2002)

9) Paramedic Louis Cook: "We got to Chambers and Greenwich, and the chief turns around and says, 'There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker.' We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse. ... We hear over the fire portable, 'Everybody evacuate the site. It's going to collapse.' Mark Steffens starts yelling, 'Get out of here! Get out of here! Get out of here! We've got to go! We've got to go! It's going to collapse.' ... We pulled the car over, turned around and just watched it pancake." (Interview, 10/17/2001)

10) Battalion Fire Chief John Norman: "After we found Chief Ganci, in addition to recon, I was detailed to make sure the collapse zone for 7 WTC had been set up and was being maintained. The sector commanders were trying to clear out of that area. We expected it to fall to the south, into the areas we were searching." (John Norman, "Search and Rescue Operations," Fire Engineering, 10/2002)

John Norman (in another account): "Now we're still worried about 7. We have guys trying to make their way up into the pile, and they're telling us that 7 is going to fall down - and that was one of the directions from the command post, to make sure we clear the collapse zone from 7 and this is a 600-foot-tall building, so we had to clear a 600-foot radius from that building." ("WTC: This Is Their Story," Firehouse, 5/2002)

11) Deputy Fire Chief Nick Visconti: "Now, World Trade Center 7 was burning and I was thinking to myself, how come they're not trying to put this fire out? ... At some point, Frank Fellini said, now we've got hundreds of guys out there, hundreds and hundreds, and that's on the West Street side alone. He said to me, Nick, you've got to get those people out of there. I thought to myself, out of where? Frank, what do you want, Chief? He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we've got to get those people out of there. ... There were a couple of chiefs out there who I knew and I called them individually. I said to them, listen, start backing those people out, we need them back up to the command post. While this was going on, I saw individual company officers. I was whistling, Captain, bring your guys this way. I was getting some resistance. The common thing was, hey, we've still got people here, we don't want to leave. I explained to them that we were worried about 7, that it was going to come down and we didn't want to get anybody trapped in the collapse. One comment was, oh, that building is never coming down, that didn't get hit by a plane, why isn't somebody in there putting the fire out? A lot of comments, a bit of resistance, understandable resistance." ("WTC: This Is Their Story," Firehouse, 8/2002)

12) Firefighter James Wallace: "They were saying building seven was going to collapse, so we regrouped and went back to our rig. We went to building four or three; I don't know. We were going to set up our tower ladder there. They said no good because building seven is coming down." (Interview, 12/29/2001)

13) Fire Captain Robert Sohmer: "As the day went on they started worrying about 7 World Trade Center collapsing and they ordered an evacuation from that area so at that time, we left the area with the other companies, went back to the command post on Broadway ... We were about to proceed our operation there and this was in the afternoon, I would say approximately maybe 2:00 roughly, where we started to operate and then they asked us to fall back again due to the potential of 7 World Trade Center collapsing." (Interview, 1/17/2002)

14) Fire Lieutenant William Ryan: "Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, we've got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. ... So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and that's when 7 collapsed." (Interview, 10/18/2001)

15) Fire Captain Brenda Berkman: "We no sooner got going on something there when a chief came along and said, 'Everybody's got to leave the area. We're afraid that Seven World Trade is going to fall down.' The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor." (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)

FireWork newsletter (adding to Berkman's account): "After being ordered back because of the fear that yet another building was about to collapse (7 World Trade Center, 40+ stories), Brenda [Berkman] and her crew went to find other firefighters who might have some tools or a radio. ... That afternoon, 7 World Trade Center came down. 'We had cleared an enormous collapse zone for that, and it still wasn't big enough. When the thing came down, the rubble and the dust came across the West Side Highway, over and past the rubble from the towers that was there.'" (Linda Willing, "Report from Ground Zero: The World Trade Center Collapse," FireWork, 9/2001)

16) Firefighter Maureen McArdle-Schulman: "At that point, Seven World Trade had 12 stories of fire in it. They were afraid it was going to collapse on us, so they pulled everybody out. We couldn't do anything." (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 17)

17) Firefighter Pete Castellano: "We were ordered down from the tower ladder because of a possible collapse at Tower 7." (Interview, 12/28/2001)

18) Firefighter Brian Fitzpatrick: "We were then positioned on Vesey Street between North End and the West Side Highway because there was an imminent collapse on 7 World Trade, and it did collapse." (Interview, 12/6/2001)

19) Firefighter Christopher Patrick Murray: "Probably about 4:00 o'clock, 5:00 o'clock, our radios went dead, because we heard reports all day long of 7 World Trade possibly coming down and I think at 5:30 that came down." (Interview, 12/12/2001)

20) Firefighter Kevin McGovern: "Actually I think at that point just as we were leaving, guys -- I don't know who it was. I guess it was a chief was saying clear the area, because they were worried about number Seven World Trade Center coming down and burying guys who were digging. So we basically went back to the rig, because they were clearing that area out. It took about three hours for Seven World Trade Center to actually come down." (Interview, 12/11/2001)

21) Firefighter George Holzman: "We stayed there for quite sometime when I don't even know who, I think it was someone, Lieutenant Lowney spoke to, asked us to leave the area, they were concerned about 7 World Trade Center collapsing." (Interview, 1/17/2002)

22) Byron Pitts, CBS News correspondent: "About an hour ago, World Trade Center building number 7 collapsed. ... It was the one calamity that was not a surprise. Police had evacuated the area hours ago, fearful building number 7 would indeed fall down." (CBS News, 9/11/2001)

23) Kansas City Star: "About 4:30 p.m., word went out to evacuate the area. Officials were worried that Building 7 of the Trade Center complex would collapse." (David Hayes, "Amid despair, photographer's work brought hope," Kansas City Star, 3/28/2004)

24) Tom Franklin, photographer: "It was about 4 p.m., and they were anticipating Seven World Trade Center collapsing. The firemen were leaving en masse." (Newseum, Running Toward Danger, 2002, p. 204)

Tom Franklin (in another account): "It was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to fall." (Tom Franklin, "The After-Life of a Photo that Touched a Nation," Columbia Journalism Review, 3/1/2002)

25) Mark Jacobson, reporter, New York Magazine: "Hours later, I sat down beside another, impossibly weary firefighter. ... Then, almost as a non sequitur, the fireman indicated the building in front of us, maybe 400 yards away. 'That building is coming down,' he said with a drained casualness. 'Really?' I asked. At 47 stories, it would be a skyscraper in most cities, centerpiece of the horizon. But in New York, it was nothing but a nondescript box with fire coming out of the windows. 'When?' 'Tonight ... Maybe tomorrow morning.' This was around 5:15 p.m. I know because five minutes later, at 5:20, the building, 7 World Trade Center, crumbled." (Mark Jacobson, "The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll," New York Magazine, 3/27/2006)

26) Paramedic Joseph Cahill: "The reason we were given for why we were moving was that 7 World Trade Center was going to collapse or was at risk of collapsing. So we must have been somewhere in this area where we would have had a problem with that. ... They wanted us to move the treatment sector because of 7 World Trade Center was imminently to collapse, which, of course, it did." (Interview, 10/15/2001)

27) EMT Mercedes Rivera: "At that point, they said that Seven World Trade had no face and it was ready to collapse." (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 29)

28) Christine Haughney, reporter, Washington Post: "Then a policeman directed me north. The Solomon Smith Barney building--Building Seven--was about to collapse." (Chris Bull and Sam Erman, At Ground Zero, 2002, p. 17)

29) Peter DeMarco, reporter, New York Daily News: "Seven or eight blocks down Greenwich Street, the No. 7 World Trade building, a smaller, forty-story structure, was on fire. The street was closed; the building was going to collapse." (Chris Bull and Sam Erman, At Ground Zero, 2002, p. 97)

30) Fire Chief Joseph Pfeifer: "Yes, I watched 7. At one point, we were standing on the west side of West Street and Vesey. And I remember Chief Nigro coming back at that point saying I don't want anybody else killed and to take everybody two blocks up virtually to North End and Vesey, which is a good ways up. And we stood there and we watched 7 collapse." ("WTC: This Is Their Story," Firehouse, 4/2002)

31) Battalion Fire Chief Frank Congiusta: "While we were searching the subbasements, they decided that Seven World Trade Center, which was across the street, was going to collapse. So they called us out. ... When I came out, they were calling us on the radio to tell us to get out. Then I reported that the search was negative, and then they wouldn't let anybody near the site pretty much, because Seven World Trade Center was going to come down." (Interview, 1/8/2002)

32) EMT Jason Charles: "So we started heading over to where Building 7 was at and they were like Building 7 is going to collapse, you can't go over there, this and that, and there was another building that they thought was going to collapse that was like right behind the triage center, the building that we were in." (Interview, 1/23/2002)

33) Fire Lieutenant Roy David: "At Pace University we had -- we set up -- I'm sorry, we set up in that lobby of that building, the lobby and the actual whole first floor. There was a threat of collapse of building number seven, so 225, we had to evacuate it." (Interview, 10/12/2001)

34) EMT Decosta Wright: "They said -- we were like, are you guys going to put that fire out? I was like, you know, they are going to wait for it to burn down and it collapsed. ... Yes, so basically they measured out how far the building was going to come, so we knew exactly where we could stand. ... 5 blocks. 5 blocks away. We still could see. Exactly right on point, the cloud just stopped right there. Then when that building was coming down, the same thing, that same rumbling." (Interview, 10/11/2001)

35) Fire Lieutenant Rudolf Weindler: "I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did." (Interview, 1/15/2002)

36) Liz Gonzalez, reporter, Telemundo/Channel 47: "They started evacuating the area because they thought a third building was going to go down. We decided to stay. We saw the third building crash." (Newseum, Running Toward Danger, 2002, p. 209)

37) Sara Kugler, reporter, the Associated Press: "I saw hundreds of firefighters leaning against buildings, sitting on trucks, eating fruit and water that the Red Cross was handing out. 'Where are all the injured?' I asked. 'They are not letting us in. It's not stable,' said the firefighters. ... All of a sudden Seven World Trade Center started to collapse." (Newseum, Running Toward Danger, 2002, p. 210)

 

WITNESSES WHO APPARENTLY KNEW IN ADVANCE OF THE COLLAPSE

1) Fire Chief Frank Fellini: "The major concern at that time at that particular location was number Seven, building number seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. ... We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number seven came down." (Interview, 12/3/2001)

2) Fire Chief Daniel Nigro: "The biggest decision we had to make on the first day was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building heavily involved in fire. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt. I issued the orders to pull back the firefighters and define the collapse zone. It was a critical decision; we could not lose any more firefighters. It took a lot of time to pull everyone out, given the emotionalism of the day, communications difficulties, and the collapse terrain." (Daniel Nigro, "Report from the Chief of Department," Fire Engineering, 9/2002)

Daniel Nigro (in another account): "I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was given, at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely." (Interview, 10/24/2001)

3) Fire Chief Frank Cruthers: "Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area ... be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it." (Interview, 10/31/2001)

Frank Cruthers (in another account): "Of primary importance early on in the operation was the structural condition of 7 World Trade Center. Assistant Chief Frank Fellini had been approached by several chiefs who were concerned about its stability. It had been heavily damaged in the collapse and was well-involved in fire. Chief Fellini had looked at it and described to us some damage to its south side; he felt that structural components of the building had been comprised. So when Chief Dan Nigro arrived at the command post, he convened a meeting of staff chiefs, and this was a major subject of the meeting. We were all in accord about the danger of 7 WTC, and we all agreed that it was not too conservative of a decision to establish a collapse zone for that building, move the firefighters out of the collapse area, and maintain that strategy." (Frank Cruthers, "Postcollapse Command," Fire Engineering, 9/2002)

4) Fire Captain Ray Goldbach: "There was a big discussion going on at that point about pulling all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center. Chief Nigro didn't feel it was worth taking the slightest chance of somebody else getting injured. So at that point we made a decision to take all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center because there was a potential for collapse. ... Made the decision to back everybody away, took all the units and moved them all the way back toward North End Avenue, which is as far I guess west as you could get on Vesey Street, to keep them out of the way." (Interview, 10/24/2001)

5) Fire Engineering magazine: "FDNY chief officers surveyed 7 WTC and determined that it was in danger of collapse. Chief Frank Cruthers, now the incident commander, and Chief Frank Fellini, the operations commander, both agreed that a collapse zone had to be established. That meant firefighters in the area of the North Tower had to be evacuated. This took some time to accomplish because of terrain, communications, and the fierce determination with which the firefighters were searching. At 5:30 p.m., about 20 minutes after the last firefighters evacuated the collapse zone, 7 WTC collapsed. It was the third steel-frame high-rise in history to collapse from fire--the other two had collapsed earlier that day." ("World Trade Center Disaster: Initial Response," Fire Engineering, 9/2002)

well, you see, there had been such terrible loss of life...

that Silverstein, the owner, told the fire department commander (not sure who he meant) that maybe the smartest thing to do was pull it. So they in fact made the decision to pull and then they watched the building collapse.

In other words, Building 7 was so damaged by falling debris and the fires raging inside of it like a giant torch, so much so that the fire department commander told Silverstein that he wasn't even sure if they would be able to contain it, that it was decided to just bring it down with explosive charges on the main support columns.

Appendix C of FEMA's report notes effects on the steel that suggest that something like thermite might have been used to make the building easier to pull, by melting through the thicker beams so as to require smaller explosive charges.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Silverstein's ties to Israel

this is for disinfo chumps, who've asked me to provide larry silverstein's ties to Israel (not very difficult - a cursory google search gives more than enough to work with). the guy (silverstein) has been meeting with the prime ministers for well over a decade and it's detailed right here in an Israeli newspaper, albeit littered with disinformation about 9/11.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=97338&contrassID=3...
i don't know how well you can put a puzzle together, but this one might be for the ages 6 & up crowd.
http://anti-neocons.com/

Good find!

Good find!

Perfect Position

The Naudets just seemed to always be in the right place at the right time.... for every essential shot. The footage that we see of WTC Building 7 is no different.

While one side of the building showed a couple of managable fires the other side was completely engulfed in smoke. White smoke.

Smoke which I believe was caused by the thermite charges in the building. The gaping hole in the side of the building may not have been caused by falling debris at all but by explosive charges. Do we have any footage of anything actually hitting building 7.... it seemed to be to far from harms way.

I think they wanted WTC 7 to collpase toward the debris pile caused by the collapse of 1 & 2.... but that was botched as well. I think that whole damaged side was lit up with thermite and they were waiting for the building to tip to blow it. So the building would fall to the side. Perhaps they couldn't wait any longer. Perhaps it wasn't working like they hoped. Maybe when they saw the penthouse collapse that it was starting to go and they pulled the trigger???

Whatever happened the building was imploded and the Nadets were there to catch it once again in the perfect position for the perfect shot.

Noone from the Duane St Fire House Died on 9/11... and they were the first ones there??

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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

also great timing...

with the french dinner they cooked for the firefighters on the 10th. as for being on site of the wtc during the chaos, they surely heard explosives - why haven't they spoken up?
http://anti-neocons.com/

This needs to be on the front page!

Though I say it myself, this article contains a lot of crucial new information. The moderators should put this on the 911Blogger front page.

Agreed...

Thanks and best wishes

Fire-fighters: realists?

It is sure wierd that Fire Engineering Magazine would say, "It was the third steel-frame high-rise in history to collapse from fire..." Do they actually believe that?

Here is their website: Fire Engineering Magazine

I wish it were recently that they published this, so that we could post questions to them and their readers. I suggest searching around on the website to see how we might get a discussion going on that topic, even now. What science could anyone find that would support the claim?

You'd think these folks would be realists, and really up on their facts, on this topic at least.

Don't forget that in the Jan 2002 Edition of Fire Engineering...

That their author Bill Manning said...

Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.


Full Article : [ HERE ]

Best wishes

FEM's Editor in-chief, Bill Manning, .....

wrote an interesting article on the subject in Jan. of 02.

"Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAN309A.html

Good post

Here's one that I didn't see on your list, though:

Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden

Sep 20, 2006
Pacifica Radio's Guns & Butter
New York Stories: 9/11 First Responders

Audio stream:
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=142

Show archive page is here:
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?page=3

McPadden's speech begins at 46 minutes in

@ 48:14 he makes the following comments about what he witnessed while at Ground Zero on 9/11...

"They said you know you've got to stay behind this line because they're thinking about taking this building down, they're not sure if it's stable or not, so they were holding a line off because they had knowledge that something was gonna happen. Well, they pushed us back a little bit....a couple of minutes later they started coming down....people started coming back out to the street, I watched five New York City buses jam packed with people wanting to do search and rescue head down there towards Building 7 - people walk out into the middle of the street to see these people off, like bon voyage and right then Building 7 came down."

Also, I noticed that you left out one of the quotes from Indira Singh identifying FDNY as the persons who told her that Building 7 was going to be "Brought Down" on purpose. Here's her testimony with that quote left in:

-Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)

Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview.
Audio: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78

Hey Lucky Larry !!!!!

Fire chief Frank Fellini said they PULLED....all the firemen out 5-6 hours pryor..........
So now what's your comment? Best thing for you to do now is pull your head out, and run to Mexico.
.........GOOD JOB, AND A GREAT POST!

Show "Interesting that...." by genie00

People heard explosions...

Former NYPD Officer & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth."

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"I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw... I am shocked at the story we've heard about it to be quite honest."

Speaking Out: An interview with Craig Bartmer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218&q=craig+bar...

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-Reporter Al Jones: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion -- looked like it had been done by a demolition crew -- the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion."

Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 28:25)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q
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-Emergency worker: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cause it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around -- we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock."

Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 31:30)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q

Remember to share these quotes, proving there were explosions seconds before Building 7 fell down, with your friends, genie00

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Here you go genie00



Hey 911veritas

Have you heard what the apologists are saying about this video? They're trying to say that the cop in the video is the person who said the building was "about to blow up".

Well, it's obviously not him. The cop's voice and the person's voice who says "the building is about to blow up" are not the same. And the reason they're trying to say the cop is the person who said "about to blow up" is because he's apparently standing outside Stuyvesant High School near the World Trade Center. And since there were reports of a bomb threat there, the apologists are trying to say that's what the cop was referring to -- the school -- when he said the building was "about to blow". But it's not the cop who said that.

You can read more about their "debunking" of this video here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74462

What really appears to be happening in the video is a genuine report about Building 7 "about to blow up", then there's a cut to a police officer telling people to back away -- supposedly because of a bomb threat at a school near the WTC -- and then the camera cuts back to Building 7 with someone else saying the building was ready to "blow up". Anyway, the two voices are obviously different. The cops voice is higher in pitch than the person talking about Building 7.

[EDIT]

911veritas, I just noticed that the clip you posted isn't the one I'm talking about exactly. Here's the clip I'm talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ&eurl=

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

What can you say...

The apologists (that ain't paid shills) probably doubt their own existence.

I can picture it, seconds after their birth (umbilical still attached) looking at their mother and saying, you're not my mum... Sorry for grossing out a bit, but you get the picture !!!!

Best wishes S4 and all 9/11 truthers ya'll rock !!!

Thanks....

....I obviousy havent read all the quotes or seen all the footage, I was just going by the 40 or so quotes on the initial thread.

Im from the UK, interesting developments going on here with the coverage in the daily mail and bbc documentory due to air this sunday, hopefully there will be alot more awareness of Building 7 - to be honest, I never really found out about it til about a year ago, it got barely any coverage at the time or since - people ive shown the footage to can barely believe it

Thanks for clearing that up, genie00

After I read your post about 'no explosions' I thought perhaps you were an apologist troll. Good to see that you're not!

genie00, what would you say the percentage of people living in the UK think 9/11 was an inside job?

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-Dan Wallace

Show "Truther Logic" by JamesB

here's some logic...

You can speculate about who said what or in what context, but it doesn't take a Physics professor to prove that the building came down in less than 6 seconds. It also doesn't take a geophysicist to prove the molten steel running like a river beneath the rubble. Use your Logic and answer that one....

The Truth Never Lies

6.5 or 6.6 seconds or so. Less

than 6 seconds would be faster than free fall.

Faster than free fall IS possible.

Medicis, please note that when a building is detonated, the resulting explosions can create a partial vacuum at ground zero. Due to the lower air pressure, a falling object meets less air resistance and can fall faster than free fall velocity.

So many variables

Can you show us the math on this one wainbee. It seems to make sense but unless its scientifically demonstrable it may be a mistake to use it as a talking point.

How then would someone explain the squibs blowing out? And once the structure is blown how does dust and air contain a vacumn.

JamesB Logic

Maybe you're right JamesB. After reading all of those quotes from all of those eyewitnesses it seems that it was all just amazing LUCK and COINCIDENCE that after everyone was evacuated by approximately 5 pm that building 7 waited until 5:20 pm to collapse. What are the odds ya know?

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

JamesB is right...all the

JamesB is right...all the eyewitnesses are paid informants from the 9/11 Truth Movement. They clearly have an agenda and the Bush administration has none whatsoever.

WTC 7 is the key

I used building 7 to wake some people up. I would ask people how many buildings collapsed in NY on 9/11? The answer they gave was always 2. I would then proceed to inform them about building 7, at which point they seemed betrayed. We must ban together for TRUTH and JUSTICE!

The Truth Never Lies

wtc 7 in the key

I agree, My approach to most people is to ask what they thought about bld 7 falling that day. When they say building 7???
I pull out my cell phone and show a video of the collapse of 7
Most say it was a demolition. Some are very confused. I suggest to them that there has been a massive cover-up and we must have to be a new investigation.
I then pass out DVDs.
Works for me

Building 7 Demolition Quotes...

Building 7 Demolition Quotes...
Former NYPD Officer & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:
"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth."
[...]
"I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw... I am shocked at the story we've heard about it to be quite honest."
Excerpts from video interview w/ Craig Bartmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VajJXBabC2k
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-Reporter Al Jones: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion -- looked like it had been done by a demolition crew -- the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion."
Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 28:25)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q
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-Emergency worker: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cause it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around -- we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock."
Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 31:30)
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444&q
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-Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)
Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?
Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.
Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?
Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."
Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview.
Audio: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78
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-Columbia Journalism Review – May/June 2003, by Thomas Franklin
Excerpt from an article written by award winning photographer, Thomas Franklin, who snapped the world famous photo of firemen raising the American flag at ground zero. In the article Franklin explains that all of ground zero was evacuated less than an hour before WTC 7 was demolished at approximately 5:20 pm on 9/11:
"Much of what happened to me on September 11 is a blur, but this moment I clearly remember: It was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to fall. I had only a few frames left, and an entire day's worth of pictures to develop, so I prepared to head back to New Jersey."
Article: http://archives.cjr.org/year/02/2/franklin.asp
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- CBS News Anchor, Dan Rather, makes comments after Building 7 falls down:
“Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6_WRPZjIM
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-WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein's comments about Building 7 in the PBS documentary, America Rebuilds (2002):
“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahEva8zQas
In the same documentary, America Rebuilds, a clean up worker at ground zero uses the term "pull" when preparing for the controlled demolition of Building 6: (Use of the word “pull” as slang for “demolish”)
Unidentified Construction Worker: "Hello? Oh, we're getting ready to pull building six."
Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.”
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ
Larry Silverstein Answers WTC Building 7 Charges: Says "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building:
Article:: http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=4718
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"Of course in some circles of the controlled demolition industry 'Pull' is used to mean that you actually demolish a building."
-Benjamin Chertoff, Researcher for Popular Mechanics, on Coast to Coast AM - March 5, 2005
Audio:
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/debunking_popular_mechanics.mp3
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"This is work of man. This is a hired job. [Larry Silverstein] said it himself. You hear him saying 'Pull it' down."
-Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM
Danny Jowenko owns a demolition firm called "Jowenko Exposieve Demolitie B.V.". Information about his company's qualifications can be found posted on their website:
Link: http://www.jowenko.com/index.php/1,3,2
He's also listed on ImplosionWorld.com's website as being one of their licensed blasters and associates":
http://www.implosionworld.com/history4.htm
Related:
Controlled Demo Expert Danny Jowenko confirms that Building 7 was brought down on purpose:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231
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Structural Experts Say:
"WTC-7 was with the greatest probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts."
Link: http://911blogger.com/node/2925
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Video clips of World Trade Center Building 7 being "pulled" on 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6_WRPZjIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWemhf8fZ2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLnBSyc4ICo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th17YNqOCSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmL9F-TSIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewf3zYS-QkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLqx_gjBAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPfKghBIOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFsXzKa2ce0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk
7 minute video presentation on the destruction of Building 7 on 9/11...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4556787288866368337&sourceid=do...

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. M Gandhi

GHOULIANI: "The World Trade Center is gunna collapse"

GHOULIANI: "The World Trade Center is gunna collapse"
also "Lucky Larry" tells how they made the decision to "pull it'.
2 min Google Video:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=giuliani+silverstein+911

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. M Gandhi

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Show "GREAT POST! It could make" by u2r2h

I probably shouldn't bother,

I probably shouldn't bother, but you lot can say "I told you so" afterwards:

Female people are as capable of bravery AND cowardice as male people. If you're looking for a DA with moral courage, look at their actions not their gonads.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

my first comment

hello... just want to say that a debunker doesn't debunk anything. a debunker is but a parrot repeating what it was programmed to say by the main media.
All we want is a fair and independant investigation even if we have to pay for it.

I am tired of people who believe it can find all the answers we need by just looking at pictures or video and then finding a stupid explanation mixed with half truths and simple science to confuse and convince the naive and ignorant.

For those of us that know deep in our heart that the government and the mass media is lying, is like when you learn a new languaje; once you can speak it, there is no way you are going to go back to unlearn it.

We know they lied, we know they are lying and will continue lying even when presented with irrefutable proof. that's the way of the criminal mind.

Welcome Orden11 Orden 11

Good to have you with us.

When did you realize the government myth was a big lie and that we needed new investigations?

What about 9/11 got you to question the government myth?

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

What you say about speaking

What you say about speaking a new language--how it relates to discussing 911is so true.

One thing I notice about "debunkers" like Mark Roberts( and, to a lesser extent, my "papa bear"), is they never attempt to understand the subject matter FROM THE GROUND UP, and seem to have a bizzare contempt for learning the "language" of physics, metalurgy, military protocols, etc. My guess is that many of us are, intellectually, a bit on the geek side--if we have a problem we're more likely to want to understand the problem and fix it ourselves. Some of the loudest "debunkers" seem to be more interested in who has power and how they can suck up to it to get status: welcome back to high school!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

The most effective debunkers

are focused on rhetoric and not interested in the scientific or technical aspects of 9/11 at all. Their strategy is to frame the debate in way that allows them to exclude that which they can't explain and then claim victory. When cornered on issues they don't really understand or can't spin to their advantage, they punt by deferring to an "official report" published by a "recognized authority".

These guys are salesmen, not engineers and, yes, salesmen shill for the people with MONEY.

John L. Gross's recent video performance makes it all too obvious why the NIST engineers don't appear in public very often to defend their report.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

ALL That

That stuff is just conjecture because they have ALL the engineers and scientists.....

They don't need to learn..... they simply have to believe
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GREAT POST stallion4!! If

GREAT POST stallion4!!

If you fax this to a District Attorney and tell him that you will contact her/him on every 11th of every month until this crime is solved....

wow... you'd be a hero!

Secret Service Special Officer Miller?

"there were no casualties when WTC 7 eventually fell"???

hmm...  That's not what I heard.  What about Secret Service Special Officer Craig Miller? 

http://www.secretservice.gov/press/pub1202.pdf

http://web.archive.org/web/20020823001452/http:/www.house.gov/istook/rel-ss-customs.htm

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r107:FLD001:H51497

 

You'll find a current discussion of SS Officer Craig Miller...

...here:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6163

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The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Great post,

Shoestring! I think this is a good example of fact-based, well-documented, easy-to-read posts that really have an effect.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks :-)

Thanks GW. While 9/11 truth activism is crucial, the backbone of the movement is our extensive research. So the more we know about 9/11, the stronger we become.

GREAT POST stallion4!! If

GREAT POST stallion4!!

If you fax this to a District Attorney and tell him that you will contact her/him on every 11th of every month until this crime is solved....

wow... you'd be a hero!

WTC 7 is the KEY, new member but very old-timer re:911HOAX

I have been reading this site for many many months now and must say I am very happy to see that many here are very aware of the lies and bullsh*t that has festered around the 911 HOAX (that is what I always call it).
Over the last several years , I have been a regular poster on libertyforum, where I have written many lengthy posts, documenting the absurdity of the official conspiracy crap about the 911 HOAX this included: the NIST report which its own data shows that no central core columns reached temps>300 C, the woman waving in the opening of the WTC tower from high up (read: not much heat at that location), the obvious bullsh*t story of the NORAD timeline (Ralph Eberhard and Myers are criminal bastards), the ridiculous Horizontal trajectory of the "object" that struck the Pentagon, flying only several feet off of the ground and managing to hit the VERTICAL wall face of one of the largest roofed buildings in the world (read: Idiot terrizts, attack the roof, it has ACRES of target rich area) not to mention the "ground effect" in aerodynamics meaning its impossible to fly a Boeing jet several feet off of the ground.

Anyways, This post and article is EXCELLENT.
I have always believed that WTC 7 was the key. It is so sad that very few people even know of its existence let alone the videos of its collapse that show even to a brain-dead adult, that its perfectly symmetrical collapse in free-fall time was the result of a carefully controlled demolition.

Thanks to all the posters here you guys are positive and relentless, I gave up on libertyforum several months ago, after posting THOUSANDS of articles and messages about the 911 HOAX, so its refreshing to see you guys doing such a great job. Thanks.
Much kudos and love to:shoestring,911veritas,stallion4,joe,john gold,jenny sparks,and many others that i don't recall now

Another Thing

One other thing that was never explored that day was that there could have been other planned hijackings that didn't happen or were called off after they started to ground all the aircraft.

There was no attempt in order to hit Chicago or LA or Seatle or Miami or Denver or Phoenix "memo"?

There were only 19? Which plane had the 4 hijackers? Was it 93? I don't know but I'm guessing it was. To aid the passengers fight back story.

You'd think they'd be able to find a plane where the hijackers were thwarted by the grounding of the planes. Or where they simply chickened out.

Were there military planes sent to protect any other locations? If so I didn't hear about it. You'd think that they would be buzzing over every major city to show people that they were being protected by our military and our government.

I really think that the people who did this wanted it to be much bigger than it was... intimately touch more people accross the country. Then they could have implemented everything they wanted immediately. Imagine the money they could have made if this event was twice as bad.

They really bothched this whole thing.... I think people doing their jobs stopped this from being bigger. I think it was really stopped when our fighter pilots made the decision to shoot down 93...or whatever was headed toward Washington... going against their orders.
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JJJames

Every time you add something to an operation like 9/11 you increase the complexity, the probability that something will go wrong and increase the risk of exposure.

Other than WTC 7 and the long delay between the plane strikes, I think everything went very close to the original plan.

I also think that taking down the Towers and destroying the entire WTC complex as well as hitting the Pentagon was more than enough to accomplish their PsyOps goals, don't you?

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

WTC 7: The KEY, The 911 HOAX was supposed to be much bigger

I really think that the people who did this wanted it to be much bigger than it was... intimately touch more people accross the country. Then they could have implemented everything they wanted immediately. Imagine the money they could have made if this event was twice as bad.

My thinking is that it WAS definitely supposed to be MUCH MUCH bigger.
Flight 93, which IMO did not even exist, was some kind of fxck up, the other "failed" target was the US Capitol building.

The DECAPITATION of the entire US Federal Gov't system was the true objective of the 911 HOAX, since WTC 7 was so bloody obvious and would raise too many problems for the NeoConPNAC'ers. It required the murder of all members of the US Congress in that building. Thus a true Military Coup D'etat would/could begin.

That was the true objective of the 911 HOAX.
However, something get screwed up with the obvious non-existence of Flight 93 and WTC 7, thus the Anthrax Attacks were called into play as Plan B.

Finally, the potential death toll for the WTC towers was initially reported to be in the tens of thousands, don't think that this wasn't the number that they were "shooting for"

We have yet to see the end of these 911 HOAXES. Many more to come and much more grandiose in scale.