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Submitted by dz on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:21am.

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We've been getting more and more non-9/11 related submissions lately. Seems like there is a desire for a site that is 9/11 skeptic friendly, but covers a lot more than just 9/11 related subjects..

So, here is an open thread. We will try to have these more frequently, in return please understand that we would like to keep the blog submissions 9/11 related - that is what people are coming here to find!

Open thread, have at it!

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LiesLiesLies

Terror police 'found 9/11 speech'

BBC
Tuesday, January 30, 2007

A speech by al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was found at a London flat used by the alleged 21 July plotters to make rucksack bombs, a court has heard.
The November 2004 speech addressed the American people on the "causes" of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US.

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/300107_b_speech.htm

Submitted by Chris on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:26am.

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SEPTEMBER112001.COM

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Another 9/11 government meme web site created on 9/11/01

http://september112001.com/

This link caught my attention but I had to use the Internet Archive to retrieve it :
"Israel’s War on Terrorism Is America’s War on Terrorism"

http://web.archive.org/web/20020818002912/http://www.house.gov/burton/RS...

Registration Service Provided By: Scripophily
Contact: scripophily@cox.net

Domain name: SEPTEMBER112001.COM

Administrative Contact:
Scripophily
bob kerstein (scripophily@cox.net)
+1.7037873552
Fax: +1.7039954422
P.O. Box 223795
Chantilly, VA 20153
US

Creation date: 11 Sep 2001 09:29:34
Expiration date: 11 Sep 2007 09:29:34

Bob Kerstein is the Founder and C.E.O. of Scripophily.com L.L.C. Bob has been a Certified Public Accountant since 1978 although he has been out of Public Practice for many years. He had worked as a Chief Financial Officer and in other capacities for both Public and non Publicly held companies prior to founding Scripophily .com and Old Company Research. He has more than 20 years experience in the communications and entertainment industries including Cellular, Satellite Communications, Internet Development, Cable TV, Motion Pictures and Professional Sports. He was also the founder of Encyberpedia an award winning Internet reference informational website, Sick.com a medical reference site, Happytrails.com an Internet search engine site, Voltage.com a web site development and hosting site, Cams2000.com (formally Windows2000 .com) a popular and award winning Web Cam Site, and Y5B an award winning spoof site about the year 5 Billion. He is also one of the founders of Angel Technologies.

Senior positions held by Kerstein include Cellular Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at McCaw Cellular Corporation (Now AT&T Wireless), Chief Financial Officer at American Mobile Satellite Corporation, Chief Financial Officer at Falcon Cable TV, Director of Financial Reporting at Warner Brothers and Chief Information Officer at Orca Bay Sports and Entertainment (owners of the Vancouver Canucks and Grizzlies).

Bob is a Member of the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, International Bond and Share Society and the Washington Historical and Autograph Certificate Organization. He began his Public Accounting career at Arthur Young and Company in their Beverly Hills Office.

http://www.scripophily.net/cp-about.html

http://www.bob.com/bob.htm

On 9/11, some $16 billion worth of certificates disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, and it took many months of record-checking and millions of dollars to replace them.

http://www.scripophilynews.com/

While the Pentagon burned, the World Trade Center crumbled and a nation reacted with fear and uncertainty, Bob Kerstein raced to his computer and bought a domain name: http://www.september112001.com.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2001/10/01/story2.h...

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There was another link at SEPTEMBER112001.COM that I noticed. " War.US is a non-partisan, pro-military, grass-roots organization."

Domain Name: WAR.US
Domain ID: D1769358-US
Sponsoring Registrar:ONLINE SAS
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: BMN-14200
Registrant Name: George PRIMBS
Registrant Address1:4410 Massachusetts Ave
Registrant City: Washington DC
Registrant State/Province: Washington DC
Registrant Postal Code20016
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.8778872252
Domain Registration Date: Wed Apr 24 14:00:31 GMT 2002

Another conservative activist, George Primbs, said many backers of Bush's policy have been slow to mobilize. He just started a website ( war.us) as a clearinghouse for war supporters.

''The antiwar crowd should calm down,'' said Primbs, who called protests during wartime ``anti-American.''

http://web.archive.org/web/20030421231833/http://www.miami.com/mld/miami...

George Primbs, Special Operations

George Primbs is Director of Special Operations for the Clinton Investigative Commission. He has also been a spokesman for CIC since 1996.

Mr. Primbs has a long record of political experience, beginning with several national youth groups and campaigns in 1980. He has served in the Reagan White House, and later as a special appointee to the Office of Congressional Affairs for Defense Programs at the Department of Energy. He has also worked on several campaigns, including statewide and presidential races.

He holds B.A. and M.A. degrees from the American University and George Washington University, respectively, in political science and political management. He currently resides in northern Virginia.

http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?article=background

George Primbs- 26 .US domains
beachcam.us, californiagovernor.us, campaigndonation.us, campaignhq.us, congressionaelections.us, congressionalelections.us, countyelections.us, dccam.us, fightdiabetes.us, financeplanner.us, gomail.us, justvote.us, lacam.us, moneymangement.us, nycam.us, politicalaction.us, presidentialdebate.us, presidentialdebates.us, republicanstrategist.us, santabarbarawine.us, stockguru.us, virginiawine.us, wallstreetreport.us, whitehousecam.us, youcanvote.us, zipmail.us

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/dotus/US-topregistrants-l-6....

Submitted by Amanda Reconwith on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:38am.

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REALIZING THAT AMANDO RECONWITH IS ROTTEN DISINFO SCUM

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Submitted by DEADPOOPOO666 on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:20am.

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SEPTEMBER112001.COM

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Another 9/11 government meme web site created on 9/11/01

http://september112001.com/

This link caught my attention but I had to use the Internet Archive to retrieve it :
"Israel’s War on Terrorism Is America’s War on Terrorism"

http://web.archive.org/web/20020818002912/http://www.house.gov/burton/RS...

Registration Service Provided By: Scripophily
Contact: scripophily@cox.net

Domain name: SEPTEMBER112001.COM

Administrative Contact:
Scripophily
bob kerstein (scripophily@cox.net)
+1.7037873552
Fax: +1.7039954422
P.O. Box 223795
Chantilly, VA 20153
US

Creation date: 11 Sep 2001 09:29:34
Expiration date: 11 Sep 2007 09:29:34

http://www.scripophily.net/cp-about.html

http://www.bob.com/bob.htm

On 9/11, some $16 billion worth of certificates disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, and it took many months of record-checking and millions of dollars to replace them.

http://www.scripophilynews.com/

While the Pentagon burned, the World Trade Center crumbled and a nation reacted with fear and uncertainty, Bob Kerstein raced to his computer and bought a domain name: http://www.september112001.com.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2001/10/01/story2.h...

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There was another link at SEPTEMBER112001.COM that I noticed. " War.US is a non-partisan, pro-military, grass-roots organization."

Another conservative activist, George Primbs, said many backers of Bush's policy have been slow to mobilize. He just started a website ( war.us) as a clearinghouse for war supporters.

''The antiwar crowd should calm down,'' said Primbs, who called protests during wartime ``anti-American.''

http://web.archive.org/web/20030421231833/http://www.miami.com/mld/miami...

George Primbs, Special Operations

George Primbs is Director of Special Operations for the Clinton Investigative Commission. He has also been a spokesman for CIC since 1996.

He holds B.A. and M.A. degrees from the American University and George Washington University, respectively, in political science and political management. He currently resides in northern Virginia.

http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?article=background

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/dotus/US-topregistrants-l-6....

Submitted by Amanda Reconwith on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 11:46am.

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Why are you hiding this post?

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Address: http://www.911blogger.com/node/comment_collapse_112215

Title: javascript:dztoggle('comment_collapse_112215')

Another 9/11 government meme web site created on 9/11/01

http://september112001.com/

This link caught my attention but I had to use the Internet Archive to retrieve it :
"Israel’s War on Terrorism Is America’s War on Terrorism"

http://web.archive.org/web/20020818002912/http://www.house.gov/burton/RS...

Registration Service Provided By: Scripophily
Contact: scripophily@cox.net

Domain name: SEPTEMBER112001.COM

Administrative Contact:
Scripophily
bob kerstein (scripophily@cox.net)
+1.7037873552
Fax: +1.7039954422
P.O. Box 223795
Chantilly, VA 20153
US

Creation date: 11 Sep 2001 09:29:34
Expiration date: 11 Sep 2007 09:29:34

http://www.scripophily.net/cp-about.html

http://www.bob.com/bob.htm

On 9/11, some $16 billion worth of certificates disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, and it took many months of record-checking and millions of dollars to replace them.

http://www.scripophilynews.com/

While the Pentagon burned, the World Trade Center crumbled and a nation reacted with fear and uncertainty, Bob Kerstein raced to his computer and bought a domain name: http://www.september112001.com.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2001/10/01/story2.h...

-------------------------------

There was another link at SEPTEMBER112001.COM that I noticed. " War.US is a non-partisan, pro-military, grass-roots organization."

Another conservative activist, George Primbs, said many backers of Bush's policy have been slow to mobilize. He just started a website ( war.us) as a clearinghouse for war supporters.

''The antiwar crowd should calm down,'' said Primbs, who called protests during wartime ``anti-American.''

http://web.archive.org/web/20030421231833/http://www.miami.com/mld/miami...

George Primbs, Special Operations

George Primbs is Director of Special Operations for the Clinton Investigative Commission. He has also been a spokesman for CIC since 1996.

He holds B.A. and M.A. degrees from the American University and George Washington University, respectively, in political science and political management. He currently resides in northern Virginia.

http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?article=background

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/dotus/US-topregistrants-l-6....

Submitted by Amanda Reconwith on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 5:48pm.

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US mercenaries attack US troops, US blames Iran

Do the numbers 01-31-07 mean anything to the occultist creeps in power? Just in case it is an unlucky number, I ate some kelp tonight for its high potassium iodide content (blocks thyroid from radiation poisoning). Bet Cheney is taking his.

I think the crap is about to hit the fan due to this false flag op where US mercenaries attacked US troops and now Iran is getting the frame, I mean blame.

Check out this CNN story. They forget to mention one of the attackers was blond. But they do say they had American vehicles, American weapons, spoke english, wore American uniforms and knew where to find the American troops. I say if it walks like a duck . . . http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_...

Submitted by jcook on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:38am.

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or it could have been a

or it could have been a Mossad operation.

News editor at The Watchman Report, www.watchmanreport.com, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community

Submitted by Micahyah on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:51am.

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c'mon!

mossad, i can believe, but what's with that web site? All that creepy god talk just let's people off the hook. End times? Now you're looking into crystal balls. My sign is Scorpio, should I play the lottery today?

Just silly. My six year old likes ghost stories, too.

Submitted by jcook on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:24pm.

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Ask Jerome Hauer

He's the one who told the WH to start taking Cipro on 9-11-01.

He was also the guy behind building Rudy's OEM Bunker in WTC 7.

Submitted by DoYouEverWonder on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 5:46pm.

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George Galloway disses people who question official 9/11 story

Thinks Muslim fanatics did 9/11:

Galloway on Talksport Radio Show, January 26, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZxYGB3_wWI

Submitted by stallion4 on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:03am.

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Oh well...

Sometimes, the experience of seeing one journalist or public figure after another whose commentary I've previously found valuable take a dive on 9/11 and shill for the official story, I'm reminded of the old Queen song, 'Another One Bites the Dust'.

I loved it when Galloway skewered Christopher Hitchens and the neocons regarding Iraq. But now, to heck with him.

Submitted by rm on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 4:03am.

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1. Go to www.youtube.com 2.

1. Go to www.youtube.com
2. Search for "911"
3. Organize it by view count
4. Go to the 911 video with the highest views
5. Write a comment that goes against the official story
6. Wait
7. Observe you're comment be deleted in real time.

Youtube.com Censorship
Youtube and Foxnews censorship

Submitted by whatmaname on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:54am.

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this is kind of

this is kind of funny------------------

but you can go to those sites----and act like you are a 911debunker

but complain about how you dont know how to beat the wtc7 smoking gun----say what it is

then lie and act like youre ticked off cause you cant beat it

ha ha---this works real well when calling into fake msm shows too

Submitted by DEADPOOPOO666 on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 2:01am.

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What this country needs is a

What this country needs is a online community to share information. We need to create one, just ONE website that we can spread the word about. It does us NO good by creating thousands of websites that makes the information spread out instead of centralized. We need to mimic corporate news and create a few websites and maybe even create our own news station that will spill facts and news and not be available for sale. The owners should be the people who want the truth and want to impeach bush.

Submitted by whatmaname on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 3:14am.

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that's what the idea was

that's what the idea was behind my website. if you haven't seen it yet, check it out.

http://www.truth911.net

There's room on my site for all the information and evidence relating to 9/11. Then i have 'other info' sections that can contain other information that doesn't relate to 9/11.

My collection of movies covers topics such as 9/11, false flag terrorism, the federal reserve, war on drugs, free energy, JFK, etc.

I've made this site pretty much by myself. But if everyone likes my website, i'm hoping that people will help me expand on the information i have on there, so that we will create one central resource to educate people about 9/11 and other important topics.

The url is catchy and easy to remember. Truth - 911 - dot - net . .. .has a nice ring to it. The design is edgey so that people will enjoy surfing a well designed site. I don't sell anything or make any money off the site at all. Everything on there is free. I don't censor information and there's room for lots of information about lots of topics. So i've pretty much done all i can do by making the site, and i'm hoping that more people could help me to make it the place to send people to learn about 9/11.

Submitted by truth911.net on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 3:24am.

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Universal webportal

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9/11=PNAC Plot
I too have realized that need and actually went to 100 of the most prominent sites, procured contact info, built a mailing list, set up a separate email account and emailed each of the webmasters, requesting them to consider uniting through a single sign -in portal.
I got few replies, most of them were abusive. 9/11truthny was the most insulting and belligerent, and Mr. oilempire just wanted off the list.
Carol Brouillett of deception dollar was the most eloquent.
But still in all, zip was the response.

My site had already been well under way, so I figured that I'd just promote mine instead. I've gotten 20,000 hits since August 25th, so I figure my work is getting out there. I have everyone listed there in the numerical list of 700+ stories by title, I have every petition I could find, and photographs to boot, which I have captioned myself.
Along the top right corner in an alphabetical list linking directly to several prime sites, this one is b, CLG is e etc.

Jeff Rense calls my site a " Massive database "
Karl Schwartz calls it " a virtual Library of Congress on 9/11 matters ",
and just yesterday,
Rick Siegal said " WOW ! ".( twice )

I have a link in the top right corner to a music page I built which may help cheer us all up sometimes, free handpicked oldies and such, online listening.

Rick Siegal ( #1 video of all- Eyewitness 9/11 ) has asked me if I have a search widget that he can post on his site 9/11 Researchers, ( letter c ) that will search mine, and we're still looking for it. You can find me if you go to my Surflinks page ( top right ).

The Plot page started because I was saving bookmarks, and wanted to share them with a client of mine, lo and behold, a government employee. That was before de-li-ci-ous. It kept growing because the cause is; well, unleavable.

For more information than you'll ever need on 9/11, go check my site. I'm not selling anything, I'm not asking for anything. The counter is only there because I wondered if anyone was even seeing it. They are. I guess my promotions are working.

From an office in a shipping container down by the harbor,
Peace Out.
Reverend Michael Valentine Goldsun
http://erroneousbusczh.homestead.com/9-11Plot.html

" Remember, Nixon never thought he'd be caught either"

Submitted by Rev MVG on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:53pm.

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Constructive criticism

A large database indeed ....... and all on 1 page! I could have sworn the lights dimmed when I clicked the link.

If you lost the pics and reduced the width of the page by 5 feet or so it would improve it immeasurably especially for those without broadband. Partisan commentary is a turn off aswell. Letting the dog see the rabbit is all thats required (or should that be rabbit see the dog?).

Submitted by P45 on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 4:13pm.

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Well maybe you should show us YOUR site as an example

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Submitted by Rev MVG on Thu, 02/01/2007 - 2:29am.

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Allow me to retort

The most effective way to ensure people dont listen is insist they listen.

If your objective is to "not coddle the feeble" then you advocate bullying the feeble (whoever they are?).

Fear does not breed enlightenment. Presenting established fact in a way that lets the reader draw their own conclusion does.

Example;

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If one single individual learns the truth by my posting of that link above I feel I have contributed more than you.

Submitted by P45 on Thu, 02/01/2007 - 6:12pm.

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We are far better served by

We are far better served by those thousand sites than just one, especially if they break up further along specializations. Remember that a single site can be knocked out of service, hit by a lawsuit or hijacked by shills. Don't put your eggs in one basket.

In any case, I think the idea of creating several "so you've decided to learn the truth" intro sites would be greatly beneficial. Sending someone to 9/11 Blogger or the myriad of other sites meant for a large audience who know what is going on isn't too bad but I'd far rather have a place where a new person can get acquainted, then go on from there. There are intro sections on other sites but they aren't too robust. I don't really have the technical skills to make such a site now but I'm trying to learn.

The other thing we need is a few sites focusing on activism materials: flyers, instructions, ideas, case studies etc. Once again there are sections of sites (such as this one) that are fairly good but a detailed and expansive resource for organizing and expanding away from the Internet would be ideal.

Submitted by WinstonKirk on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:13pm.

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Nico Haupt Causing Trouble

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He's admitted in email that his intent is to harass the New York Group, and many of us have received strange messages both by email and regular mail. Who else is being bothered? Any insight as to his motivation?
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Submitted by lakezoarian on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 5:59am.

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I got a call last night...

From someone in the NY Group that says Nico is going "all out" in his attempt to disrupt, and slander the movement, people within it, and especially, the NY Group.

As far as his motivation, he is either:

Insane

A "Glory Hound"

Paid to do what he does

Those are your choices.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Submitted by Jon Gold on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:13pm.

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option d

or option d) Supreme Troll Master (all of the above)

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Submitted by Arabesque on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 12:56pm.

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Does Nico...

Have a job? How does he get money to live? That's something I'd like to know.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Submitted by Jon Gold on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:11pm.

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Working On It

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Hopefully answers soon.
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Submitted by lakezoarian on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:56pm.

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it is interesting to note:

..that Nico's newest website is registered and paid for by Rick Siegel. Rick Siegel is the guy who produced 911Eyewitness which attempts to blame helicopters for the collapse of the towers.

Siegel also registered many many other websites that carry Nico's content - and space beams research - and no planes research - and mini nukes research - and pods.

check out: 911researchers.com

it is LITERALLY a clearing house of EVERY illegitimate 911 website on the internet - including Nico and webfairy and serendipity and Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds and Holmgren and holograms etc etc.

now - i seem to remember getting quite a bit of heat from NY911Truth for publicly criticizing your group for distributing Rick Siegel's DVD.

remember?

do you understand NOW why members such as myself and Nicholas Levis and Jules and Max from Truthmove were so concerned about your group's carelessness with distributing weak research.

in fact - for awhile the NY group picked up and distributed Nico's attacks upon me and Levis and Truthmove.

Remember?

and now YOU find yourself on the receiving end of the disinfo crowd's propaganda? i see.

i am working on a new film to be released on 02/19/07 on this very subject. if you have anything you would like to submit demonstrating intimidation tactics and attacks originating from Nico and his circle of shills - please do so.

in this one subject i think we can agree - and i hope you now have some perspective on the issue.

Submitted by John Albanese on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:09pm.

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Is...

Rick Siegel Nico's source of income?

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Submitted by Jon Gold on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:14pm.

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no

btw - i was at this party last night when you called:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01312007/business/gotham_fetes_tiki__forget_...

it was too loud to call back and i got home very late. but you can email me at my hotmail account of you have anything important to report.

Submitted by John Albanese on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:26pm.

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Nothing...

Impotent, just wanted to see the movie. :)

Actually, Michael Wolsey wants you to be his guest. Like today.

How does Nico make money?

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Submitted by Jon Gold on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 1:35pm.

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he works for the CIA of course

pays really well - although it does not appear that he is taking advantage of their dental plan.

Nico is in the computer consulting business. i will not publicly release private information about his employment online.

but i will say that he worked previously for Pseudo.com, a big dot-com scam of the 90s that was rumored to be a front for drug distribution and money laundering and porn. it is interesting that the founder of Pseudo.com (Josh Harris) was caught with a heroin overdose fatality in his apartment - yet never was charged with a crime or an investigation.

anyhooo..... Pseudo went bankrupt, despite tens of millions of dollars of investor money that somehow amazingly disappeared into a network of shell corporations that did independent consulting for them. i was one of those consultants doing audio design and advertising. Nico was a consultant there as well. My wife was Josh Harris' personal assistant. (i might as well admit this since Nico will probably attempt to use it anyway) its small world.

you could say that, although my wife and i both worked in the same place as Nico we had very different jobs.

Josh Harris, btw, was the founder of Jupiter Communications - known as the private-sector CIA of Silicon Alley/Valley - and walked away with billions.

Harris later cried poverty when Pseudo went under. (wipes away tears of laughter)

Everyone, over the age of 30, involved with Pseudo knew something was deeply wrong with this company. They had no business model. They had no known sources of income. They just had parties. great parties - btw.

as you know, billions of dollars poured into the dot-com craze of the 1990s. it all collapsed with a very few key established mega-corporations absorbing what was left - and the idea of mom-and-pop internet success stories dying with it. its kinda like the history of Las Vegas. once Bugsy put it on the map it became a free-for-all of money and organized crime - and independent investors didn't stand a chance of competing.

Submitted by John Albanese on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 2:15pm.

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