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Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77 Released!

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Submitted by Gideon524 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 7:01pm.

Pilotsfor911truth.org presents its first full documentary based on the American 77 Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB following the full flight in real time as it happens in the air traffic system on Sept. 11, 2001. For a more in depth analysis of the issues addressed in this film and/or your own personal higher quality DVD with extras and without the watermark (and the 2 split second glitches due to upload), please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org. We thank you for your support and taking the time to inform yourself.

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Good job Gid!

That looks like a really good film! :-)

Thanks for helping me with it bro...

Rob
http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

Submitted by rob balsamo on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:51pm.
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No prob, Rob. Looking

No prob, Rob. Looking forward to making more movies with pilotsfor911truth.org in the future.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Submitted by Gideon524 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:55pm.
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Saranya Srinuan

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Submitted by Amanda Reconwith on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:10pm.
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STAY ON TOPIC!

What the heck does this ridculously long post have to do with the movie just released? No offense, but we're only interested in feedback ON THE MOVIE in this thread. Use the blog section to post anything else, please.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Submitted by Gideon524 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:36pm.
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You are not an authority figure

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Submitted by Amanda Reconwith on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:46pm.
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bad conclusions on a good analysis

- you point out that AAL77 hit the only reinforced wedge. Good. And where is the further analysis about the nature of the reinforcements ? Which would show that the PENREN program did not only mean the shreddering of the plane but as well (by Kevlar as wallpapers) the impression of a hole too small (bricks hangig in the Kevlar girder)

- you notice the missing trillions AND the positioning of the financial accountants - and on the other side the location of Rumsfelds office. Good. Where is the conclusion about the targetting ? Concentrate more on that.

-You point out the missing air policing. It is the key question, easily to prove. Instead of concentrating on the NATO-SOP QRA you get lost in the speculation about the AAL surrogated by a cruise missile. The falsification of the flight data is obvious. Good. But the evidence of a falsification does not at all substantiate your assumption of a cruise missile. In fact you take the flight data for granted when they seemingly underline your theory, you take Olsons "information" for granted although 13 versions of this story exist all told by her husband - who is what ? Bushs best friend to "win" the elections. This is not a scientific approach.

- Get concentrated on the Boston Center and on the NEADS. Not to follow the SOPs leads directly to Rumsfeld - sitting on his hands, Bush reading goat stories, Cheney sitting on his hands , Myers sitting ... and so on. Speculations based on correct altimeters do not lead anywhere.

Submitted by medienanalyse on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:37am.
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bad conclusions on a good analysis

- you point out that AAL77 hit the only reinforced wedge. Good. And where is the further analysis about the nature of the reinforcements ? Which would show that the PENREN program did not only mean the shreddering of the plane but as well (by Kevlar as wallpapers) the impression of a hole too small (bricks hangig in the Kevlar girder)

- you notice the missing trillions AND the positioning of the financial accountants - and on the other side the location of Rumsfelds office. Good. Where is the conclusion about the targetting ? Concentrate more on that.

-You point out the missing air policing. It is the key question, easily to prove. Instead of concentrating on the NATO-SOP QRA you get lost in the speculation about the AAL surrogated by a cruise missile. The falsification of the flight data is obvious. Good. But the evidence of a falsification does not at all substantiate your assumption of a cruise missile. In fact you take the flight data for granted when they seemingly underline your theory, you take Olsons "information" for granted although 13 versions of this story exist all told by her husband - who is what ? Bushs best friend to "win" the elections. This is not a scientific approach.

- Get concentrated on the Boston Center and on the NEADS. Not to follow the SOPs leads directly to Rumsfeld - sitting on his hands, Bush reading goat stories, Cheney sitting on his hands , Myers sitting ... and so on. Speculations based on correct altimeters do not lead anywhere.

Submitted by medienanalyse on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:37am.
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link to google video,

link to google video, anyone?

Submitted by breadcrumbs (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:52pm.
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Here ya go...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580&hl=en

Well worth a watch !!!

Submitted by 911veritas (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:57pm.
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Google

Google link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580&hl=en

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Submitted by Gideon524 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:57pm.
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Great Collection of Flight Related Info...

... and food for thought on the Pentagon Strike / Flyover, along with the discrepancies with the "official" report


The NTSB phonecalls are amazing as are JDX's Flying skills on his direct hit :)

Great Job by all at pilotsfor911truth.org... Respect and Thanks to all !!!

Submitted by 911veritas (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:54pm.
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Another day, and another

Another day, and another piece of damning information is revealed, and another day closer to sending these enemies of America to jail or worse. This is great work from Pilots for 911 Truth. Sort it with the prosecution file.

Submitted by greenback on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:20pm.
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There's a descrepancy...

of about four hundred feet?! That says something. If the NTSB can't explain this sh*t, who can?

Submitted by patriotraitor (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:38pm.
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Congratulations.

That was an excellent documentary.

Submitted by pagan on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:48pm.
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all that air traffic audio -

all that air traffic audio - is that actual audio from the flight??

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:50pm.
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No, it's Rob's modified

No, it's Rob's modified voice. Just added for effect.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Submitted by Gideon524 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:52pm.
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I know they want the DVD's

I know they want the DVD's purchased, but are they planning a better free version on the internet. This one is almost unwatchable because of the glitches and delays every few seconds.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 10:57pm.
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did you try

pausing and letting it load into the payer's buffer before playing it?

BTW - great documentary - the cruise missle simulation does take a bit of a leap, but just a bit, very plausible scenario and one that's been around for awhile -- I'm sending this link to a retired commercial airline pilot I know who flew in Vietnam -- will be curious to get his take -- have never discussed 911 with him

Submitted by blog dog (not verified) on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 3:17am.
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My box

must not working right. Anyone know where the video is??

Submitted by medicis on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:07pm.
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WOW!!!

Terrific job, guys! You've made one hell of a case. I am so excited to have this -- congratulations one and all! I'm sending for my copy tomorrow.

(I had to wait a while for it to load, but then was able to watch it in normal time.)

So THIS is what REAL patriotism looks like...no flag car magnets required...

Submitted by LEH on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:22pm.
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You might want to change the

You might want to change the title and put in a description, so people can find it when they do a search on Google Video.

Submitted by fhb on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:38pm.
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Exactly

I just looked for it on Google vid and couldn't find any reference to any part of the title.

Impossible to find on Google.

Good job but change the title on Google - so people will want to click it and move it up!

Else it could be about just about anything.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:45pm.
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dido

had the same trouble finding with a general search....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 12:01am.
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Title and Description

For some reason, it takes a while for the title and description to upload. It is in the process so bare with us.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Submitted by Gideon524 on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 12:15am.
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If we have to wait we will sigh...

Ha Ha just kidding.

That one above.. `Exactly' ..was me... wink wink.

Thumbsup.

SC.

http://www.mime11.com - 911 Videos + Clips

Submitted by Sarah Connor on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 3:45am.
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title and description is up

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. Glad you liked it.

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Submitted by rob balsamo on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:54am.
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Your video makes the assumption that ...

... American Airlines actually had a Flight 77 scheduled for 9/11/01. At your website, I was directed to evidence that Flight 77 was not on the original American Airlines flight schedule. Yet your video shows an American Airlines aircraft taking off.

I also learned, in your forums, that the transponder signal that was identified as flight 77 was merely from a code number that could be manually entered into any flight transponder in any aircraft.

Who was the eye witness who saw the actual aircraft called flight 77 take off and identified it as an American Airlines airplane? Or is that your object with this video to etch into peoples minds that there really was a flight 77 ?

I'm sorry, but until you can give me more evidence that the non-scheduled American Airlines Flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon leaving insufficient aircraft wreckage, no passengers bodies, luggage, etc and fit into a 16' hole, the reason that the tail registration number was not removed from the FAA registry for at least 2 years and explain the apparent confusion about the various passenger lists, I am not convinced that there really was such a flight. .

Submitted by NJcpaTOM on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 4:09am.
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thought about that too

having read the same about the flight not really existing...but, what they've done is to work from the "official" flight recorder data as published (from the "real" 9/11/01 AA77 or from wherever) to demonstrate the problems with this data — as for the crash problems, the fly-over after dropping the cruise missile scenario covers that, though it's clearly speculative — albeit plausibly so.

Submitted by blog dog (not verified) on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:25am.
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We dont make any assumption.

It is clearly stated in the film that the NTSB makes the claim this FDR is from AA77.

Cheers!
Rob
http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

Submitted by rob balsamo on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:53am.
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Did you watch the video? Did you not understand what it is?

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is NOT saying that the data released by the NTSB *is* from Flight 77 black box. THAT IS THE CLAIM MADE BY THE NTSB. The data was obtained by PF911T via a freedom of information act. THIS is the data THEY say was from Flt 77 and is the data THEY gave to the FBI.

What PF911T has done is analyze that data using flight simulation technology and made that analysis public in this video. What this analysis shows is that 1: The aircraft from which this data came *could not have* knocked over the light poles and *could not have* hit the Pentagon and 2: this data indicates a flight path that differs significantly from the official flight path.

PF911T makes no claims regarding the veracity of the data itself. The point is, this data came from A GOVERNMENT AGENCY (the NTSB) and was given by them to the FBI. However, THEIR OWN DATA shows that Flt 77 or the aircraft from which this data came *could not have* hit the Pentagon in the way it has been described and shown in their video releases.

If you don't understand, please watch the video again. Understand that what we want is another investigation. Someone needs to explain WHY the government's own data *does NOT fit the official public account*.

Submitted by painter on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 1:35pm.