Over and above scores of non-passenger plane related 9/11 anomalies, the No Plane Theory seems to provide a common sense explanation for many of the unanswered questions and inconsistencies. For example, the NPT explains:
1. why government BTS records show that two of the four planes never took off that day and two others were not decommissioned until four years later.
2. why the government has refused (or been unable) to present "a single airplane part by serial number for independent corroboration," and why there is no confirmed debris of any of the alleged four planes, so that all of them have disappeared without a trace;
3. why the passenger lists are phony; why no Arabic names are on any of the passenger lists; and why there are remarkably few alleged plane victims’ families requesting compensation
4. why several of the purported hijackers have turned up alive and why the government apparently felt it necessary to produce such unpersuasive evidence as hijacker passports, training manuals, etc.
5. why in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the government claimed that there were terror cells operating in at least 40 states but hasn’t produced even one untainted terror cell in the last five years.
6. why there is no reliable video of the Pentagon and the NYC Twin Tower attacks. In the case of the Pentagon video released by the government first as photo stills and then as video, no plane is in evidence; nor would it be possible for a big passenger jet to come in at ground level at high speed.
7. why there was no air cover in NYC or in Washington, D.C. until after the Pentagon attack at 9:37. If there were no hijacked planes there would have been no need for interceptions.
8. why there are no credible witnesses to ANY of the alleged four planes.
9. why the authorities destroyed the tapes of the flight controllers’ recollections of the events of that day. Those tapes might contain evidence that flights 11 and 77 did not take off that day and that 175 and 93 did not crash.
10. why ALL the cell phone calls were fabricated including the iconic "Let’s Roll," call as well as the Ted Olson-Barbara Olson exchange.
my own personal troll? YES!!!!!!! this means im being effective like Jenny, Jon and others who have had their own personal trolls in the past. thanks for the ego boost man! didnt know i was that important. or was it that the ugly hag remark hit too close to home?
I have several retarded children I must attend to, so I regret to tell you that you are not the only one. Now please help me shave my back so I can go have sex with farm animals now and perhaps give you another sibling of similarly low mental abilities.
Chris´s mom (not verified) on Wed, 01/03/2007 - 4:40pm.
goddamn, i really did hurt your feelings with the ugly hag comment huh? jeez, i didnt know you were so sensitive, sorry big guy. and "your momma"jokes huh? is it 1991 again?
As a student of human nature, Benjamin Franklin knew that the demands of confidentiality are often little match for the gossip instinct. \\\"Three may keep a secret,\\\" he wryly noted, \\\"if two of them are dead.\\\" How much more difficult must it be for dozens of people - living, breathing, sentient people - to keep a secret? What about hundreds of people, or perhaps even thousands?
Franklin\\\'s commonsense calculus finds little reception among conspiracy theorists like Kevin Barrett. A lecturer at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Barrett has earned widespread opprobrium for featuring \\\"alternative theories\\\" of the September 11 terrorist attacks in a course on Islamic religion and culture. Barrett\\\'s syllabus draws inspiration from his membership in Scholars for 9/11 Truth, an organization of professors, students, and other academics which argues that America\\\'s day of horrors was orchestrated by the United States government itself.
The Barrett affair highlights continuing controversy over the political climate at universities and the thin line dividing education from indoctrination. Barrett may have even upstaged the previous poster boy for academic radicalism, University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill. After all, in claiming that the \\\"little Eichmanns\\\" got what they deserved, Churchill implicitly endorses Fact #1 of the September 11 atrocities: that the Twin Towers were toppled by Islamic hijackers seeking to avenge the perceived evils of America. Barrett and his cohorts reject Fact #1 in favor of a far more invidious reading of events, thus betraying an even lower view of their country.
As a particularly vile case of campus kookery, the Barrett episode would be bad enough. However, it also reflects a troubling trend in public opinion. Conspiracy theory has now officially gone mainstream. A Scripps Howard News Service poll conducted this past summer claims that 36% of Americans believe that elements of the United States government either carried out the September 11 attacks or knowingly allowed them to occur, with the aim of igniting a war in the Middle East. Animosity toward the Bush administration\\\'s handling of Iraq surely factors into these numbers, but good propaganda - its proponents would say anti-propaganda - does not hurt either.
Once relegated to disseminating their peculiar worldview via ham radios and grainy leaflets, today\\\'s tinfoil hat brigade has harnessed the power of the internet to carry its message to the masses. Countless websites claim to offer the \\\"real story\\\" behind September 11, while slickly edited and readily available web videos, such as the infamous Loose Change, morph fact into fiction and fiction into fact.
Conspiracy theorists have also received timely assists from more traditional sources of authority. A small number of elected officials, including former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and British MP Michael Meacher, have echoed and thus helped legitimize September 11 conspiracy claims. In fact, Meacher once planned to sponsor a viewing of Loose Change in the Houses of Parliament. Mainstream media outlets have picked up the slack as well. Most notably, Time Magazine and the Washington Post both published rather sympathetic profiles of the self-proclaimed \\\"Truth Movement\\\" during the run-up to the fifth anniversary of the attacks.
Finally, the Bush administration has done its part to fan the conspiracy flames by routinely playing too close to the vest with vital information, thus giving doubters an added excuse to believe that something sinister lurks in the shadows. One example of this was the administration\\\'s initial reluctance to support an independent commission to investigate the events of September 11. Another was its recent but grudging release of Pentagon security camera footage - a handful of fuzzy frames which comes off like a modern-day Zapruder film.
So where do we go from here? Stemming the tide of revisionist nonsense often presents a dilemma. One can confront the nonsense head-on, but in doing so grant it broader exposure than it might otherwise enjoy. Alternatively, one can ignore the nonsense to deprive it of much-needed publicity, but thereby risk that it will fester and eventually take hold.
In the case of September 11 conspiracy theories, however, the dilemma is all but moot. Not only did the genie leave its bottle long ago, but passivity is hardly sufficient in the face of such extraordinarily high stakes. When historical revisionism cuts to the very heart of a society and undermines its will to defend itself against merciless enemies, simply ignoring those distortions is tantamount to a slow suicide. Aggressively confronting the September 11 conspiracy theories is therefore imperative and long overdue.
Conspiracy theories, like criminal cases, may be contested on three basic fronts: motive, physical evidence, and opportunity. The motive angle is by far the least productive, as it allows for the greatest degree of subjective interpretation. People tend to see events through their own prisms, and ascribe motives which adhere to pre-existing worldviews. It should therefore be of little surprise that the most vehement promoters of September 11 conspiracy theories often display a palpable animus toward America, Bush, Jews, or capitalism - standard hobgoblins which are invoked to explain each new case of human suffering. As such, arguments attesting to the general goodness of America or the decency of the president\\\'s character will do little to coax such people back to the realities of September 11. However, better exposing the biases which drive many \\\"Truthers\\\" should help to fortify the general public against their siren song.
Physical evidence is a far more powerful club to use against the revisionists. The editors of Popular Mechanics should be applauded for their authoritative yet eminently readable new book, Debunking 9/11 Myths. Fleshing out an article published in March 2005, David Dunbar and Brad Reagan compile analyses from scores of experts to systematically dismantle the litany of \\\"evidence\\\" often cited by the conspiracy crowd. Lo and behold, we learn that the impact of the planes and the resultant fires were more than sufficient to bring down the towers (no \\\"controlled demolition\\\" needed here), that damage to the Pentagon was consistent with an aircraft strike (so much for the \\\"missile theory\\\"), and that the passengers on United 93 were indeed capable of using cell phones to collect the information which would ultimately inspire their revolt.
Debunking 9/11 Myths provides a tidy summary of the findings laid out in detail by the report of the 9/11 Commission, as well as by studies on the structural damage to the World Trade Center and Pentagon undertaken by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). Together, these resources comprise an invaluable arsenal of facts with which to combat the September 11 rejectionists. They should prove particularly useful among those perennial critics of America who always claim to be impressed by science.
That leaves the question of opportunity. Paging through the many myths debunked by Dunbar and Reagan, one is struck by the massive scale of this purported conspiracy. Regardless of what one chooses to believe about September 11, just about everybody agrees that it could not have been the work of a few shadowy men on a grassy knoll. As such, the most powerful argument against the conspiracy theories may be the one which Benjamin Franklin himself would have offered: the inability of such a large group of people to keep such a terrible secret for such a long period of time.
September 11 conspiracy theories are ultimately undone by the math. How many sets of hands would have been required to preposition demolition charges at the World Trade Center, doing so without detection in one of the most famous and well-trafficked office complexes in the world? How many sets of eyes would have overseen the disposal of American 77 and the subsequent firing of a cruise missile into the Pentagon? How many people would have been involved in the diversion of air defenses, the shoot-down of United 93, and the planting of aircraft debris on the Pentagon lawn? Any reasonable estimate easily places the number of direct conspirators in the hundreds.
Equally troublesome are the legions of indirect conspirators, people who supposedly have intimate knowledge of the \\\"truth\\\" yet play a vital role in suppressing it. Chief among these are the investigators charged with compiling the official history of that dreadful day: the members and staffers of the 9/11 Commission; the engineers at NIST, FEMA, and ASCE; and the myriad journalists who have covered the story for more than half a decade. After all, if the \\\"Truthers\\\" could have figured out \\\"what really happened\\\" using only their laptops and deductive reasoning skills, then surely professional investigators backed by nearly unlimited resources would have reached similar conclusions. Of course, we are asked to believe that those conclusions have been muzzled by the pernicious neocons, Jews, or Haliburton executives.
Yet despite the massive scope of this alleged conspiracy, not a single conspirator has stepped forward to expose the plot: not one technician who placed the demolition charges, not one member of the military who participated in the firing of the cruise missile or the downing of United 93, not one engineer who fudged his or her analysis of the structural damage. The silence of the indirect conspirators is, in many ways, the most deafening of all. While one might argue that those directly involved in the plot would have been liquidated, the people who supposedly cover for their murderous deeds are still very much with us. What could successfully compel every last conspirator to remain silent? Is there not a single person with second thoughts, or pangs of guilt, or an axe to grind?
The possibility of maintaining control over such an extensive conspiracy appears even more risible when one considers the ongoing circus of leaks involving classified government information. During the past year alone, the New York Times and Washington Post have exposed the NSA\\\'s terrorist surveillance program, the CIA\\\'s overseas detention facilities, the Treasury Department\\\'s targeted monitoring of financial transactions, and many more once-secret tools for neutralizing the Islamist agents of death. Not only have these ossified media organs readily obtained classified information from unhappy insiders, but they have also demonstrated little hesitation in publishing it -national security be damned. That said, would the New York Times file away credible leaks from September 11 conspirators? Would its editors and reporters suppress evidence that President Bush oversaw a modern-day version of the Reichstag fire?
The ego factor should also not be discounted. Consider the accolades routinely heaped upon leakers and whistleblowers - as long as they are not Linda Tripp. The anonymous paper-pushers who exposed vital anti-terror programs have been lauded by the media as heroes and patriots, valiantly resisting an allegedly reckless president who treats the Bill of Rights like a bar napkin. Also recall that three whistleblowers credited with exposing corporate malfeasance and the FBI\\\'s pre-September 11 bungling were honored as Time Magazine\\\'s Persons of the Year in 2002. Add to that the near-coronation of Mark Felt, who recently emerged from the fog to claim the legacy of \\\"Deep Throat,\\\" and one is left with a striking question: If the September 11 attacks were a project of the United States government, they why haven\\\'t any whistleblowers stepped forward to seize their honored place in history?
In short, September 11 conspiracy theories are proven hollow not only because they fail to stand up to the physical evidence, but also because they violate the laws of human nature. It is difficult to believe that the details of such a massive - and massively evil - plot could remain hidden in a world where Matt Drudge still has an internet connection and Seymour Hersh still has a pulse. To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, the conspiracy theorists ask us to believe the impossible: that thousands of people may keep a secret, even if none of them are dead.
Despite their many fallacies, the theories promulgated by Kevin Barrett and company remain a malignant force. Such historical revisionism aims to gradually chip away at our resolve to identify, combat, and ultimately defeat the grave threats now assembled against our country and our civilization. Unfortunately, it is accomplishing just that. The conspiracy theories must therefore be opposed at every turn and with every possible resource - including well-deserved ridicule.
Winning the Long War begins with remembering the events and lessons of September 11. As the Irish novelist and playwright Oliver Goldsmith famously warned, \\\"Don\\\'t let us make imaginary evils, when you know we have so many real ones to encounter.\\\"
David J. Rusin holds a Ph.D. in Physics and Astronomy from the University of Pennsylvania. His interests include foreign affairs and security policy.
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i just had to... the board was totally clean with only one poster up [top left on the picture]. i hope someone notices these :)
keep it up other 911 truth activist out there! peace/anti
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Am I right? I don't think I heard him say "conspiracy" theory with the typical tongue in cheek that you see from Hannity or O'Reilly. It was presented no differently than a recall of faulty air conditioners or a looming thunderstorm.
All successful newspapers are ceaselessly querulous and bellicose. They never defend anyone or anything if they can help it; if the job is forced on them, they tackle it by denouncing someone or something else.
wouldn't make the blanket statement that truthers believe, "the U.S. Government was responsible for 9/11" It makes it sound like we think the entire House & Senate, Airforce, Army, Navy, etc. were in on it, when we know that only a small number of people knew what the big picture was.
Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 01/01/2007 - 11:06pm.
When I originally heard about the 9/11 Tea Party event, it was only taking place in boston and I assumed it would pass with little notice. Seems with not much time it grew to many other cities and in the end it got lots of media coverage. If we can slap this together in a moments notice, we should have themed events like this every month or so. The number of people in attendance will grow with each event, and the number of cities participating will grow with each event. We should start a coordinated plan. Do other people and 9/11 groups out there see the potential in this as well?
911Truth (not verified) on Mon, 01/01/2007 - 11:21pm.
Yes yes! Let's have similar events. I am at a loss as to what to do besides hold signs. The Tea Party had such a great historical political action element. What should we DO on Presidents' day?
jcook (not verified) on Mon, 01/01/2007 - 11:40pm.
all across the country and all read My Pet Goat just like W did.
At the same time we can hand out leaflets that describle what a complete departure from SOP this was for the Secret Service and also highlight the main problems with the government story of 9/11.
We definitely need to take every opportunity to make our points and do it in colorful and imaginative ways that will appeal to local news.
There are several historical dates in the American Revolution that will tie in very well and we should make very good use of these. We are the patriots, after all.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
that those of us who have the contacts can pick up the phone and start making the arrangements. I'm not sure how the whole tea party thing evolved, but it should basically follow that model!
911Truth (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 1:22am.
on April 18th, which is the day before the anniversary of the OKC Bombing. I think the idea is from Boston Truth and we should all join in. That's months away though - we need to be participating in national days of truth action at least once a month.
that we just plan actions for the 11th of each month.
These should be a variety of events designed for maximum media exposure with a direct connection to significant information and/or a specific aspect about 9/11.
Btw - President's Day is Monday, February 19th and the book is actually titled "The Pet Goat".
Additionally, there are national impeachment protests planned for January 27th. I think we should organize 9/11 Truth groups to march in these protests as a unified block, leafleting as we go.
2007 is going to be a huge year for 9/11 Truth, let's get this going early, shall we?
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
If we base monthly actions on the 11th it will accentuate that this will be a regularly occurring and ongoing action that won't stop until we get what we came for.
I was wanting to put up a blog about this 3 weeks ago but I'm not very interested in writing - I just wanted to start a discussion and more importantly get the action going. My idea is to have a national day of action once a month as well as weekly targeted media campaigns. We need to get moving.
So.. we have 9 days until the 11th. Who else is ready?
LW -- your blog by this title gave me the same idea. I just submitted a blog entry about it -- we'll see if someone beat me to it.
There was an impeachment event in Portland yesterday that I attended, with a very minimal 9/11 presence. I think you're right that we need to be a MAJOR presence at things like this -- maybe pimping the Webster Tarpley "misprision of treason" concept.
When I planned the Milwaukee/ Lake Michigan Tea Party I did it with only about a weeks notice. I would've liked it if I had more time, but the event went off well and we did get coverage by the local media. That's why I think it's important for any 9/11 Truther that is reading this and is capable of creating an event, should just do it and hope for the best. Right now as I see it we need to build momentum with our local media and create these events in many cities and towns throughout the USA. This will create pressure on the MSM and the 110th Congress.
Remember there is a much larger percentage of people that get their news from local newspapers and local news stations. If your going to plan an event, and I hope you do, then make your posters and flyers, burn DVD's and contact your local news outlets and your major and local newpaper. Don't forget to call up your local talk radio programs and let them know about it.
I personally hand delivered a flyer of my event to the local media outlets and I gave them a 9/11 Truth DVD. They can make it happen on the news if you make the event happen in the public eye. Good Luck and Take Care Matt Founder of Take A Stand For 9/11 Truth ts911t.org
....exposure for activism events....have you seen casseia's post about making the 11th of each month a day for Truthers nationally to coordinate their efforts?....I'm sure you'd have some good insights to add....
I would venture to say that there will be no talk of "no planes", "space beams" , "mini nukes" or other 'fascinating' theories there. I hope not anyway.
The REAL truth of 9/11 is probably not very 'fascinating'.
Just another coup perpetrated by the Rich Pasty White Men's Club.
This is huge news, and I am so happy that Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan and hopefully many others too will dissociate themselves with Fetzer and Wood, who are promoting "energy beams from outer space" and apparently have done a lot of other inappropriate things as specified at the site listed above for the new group. This is huge news! I hope someone will write this up as a major story for this site.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 2:56am.
"Energy beams from space" are possible. I don't know if any were involved on 9/11 in the towers collapse but I haven't seen anything to make me eliminate them. They could have been used in conjunction with CD.
Go watch it. Learn.
Also, you might not want to add quotes sarcastically around a statement when you obviously aren't up on the 60+ year old literature.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 9:03pm.
Here's Fetzer promoting the "space beams from outer space" for the Twin Towers, with no mention of the demolition hypothesis for the Twin Towers, in a speech in Tuscon. He mentions Judy Woods over and over, I don't hear him mentioning Steven Jones once. Says Building 7 "may have been the location for some of these weapons" - the energy beam weapons. I just cannot believe Fetzer. I have not liked many things he's done and said since early summer 2006.
> Here's Fetzer promoting the "space beams from outer space" for the Twin Towers, with no mention of the demolition hypothesis for the Twin Towers, in a speech in Tuscon
Utter crap. Totally unbelievable.
He brings up certain facts of the collapse and then assigns them to a theory which "Judy speculated" could be a possible explanation. But, of couse, the technology is 20 years ahead of public knowledge and is therefore an UNTESTABLE theory which NO valid scientific paper behind it.
I think it is a mistake to attack Fetzer. He is just bringing up a new hypothesis, which is normal in scientific research.
He may be right. It's not that far-fetched, and it does help to account for the enormous amount of energy that seems to have been used to destroy the buildings.
I do agree that politically it is probably not a good idea to lead with this sort of hypothesis, but he has done a lot--he stands out front, says what he thinks, and is a good writer.
It is divisive to turn against him and/or take personal or emotional sides in his disagreements with Jones and others.
People fight. It's OK. Happens all the time. We do not need to add fuel to those fires.
Look to the positive and honor the man for all of the good he has done.
George Ru (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 3:57pm.
What if public knowledge is decades behind the actual research? You have poor logic. Go to the Tesla video links I posted. The public is behind just so you know.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 11:58pm.
Yo, buddy. When Fetzer discusses the "possibility" of projected energy that's all he is doing. I didn't hear him say that projected energy was the cause. What he did was he described wtc 7 as a traditional CD. WTC 1&2 he described as a demolition which is beyond what the public is familiar with(ie: traditional). There isn't one ounce of deception in those statements. Siding with Jones because you disagree with the possibility of new age weapons doesn't make Fetzer a fake. If you had any grasp of what Tesla's work and his theories were about you would keep an open mind to the possibility of some projected energy weapon being used, perhaps alone, perhaps in conjunction with a different style of CD, or perhaps not at all. I personnally find the steel to dust video pretty interesting and anomalous. It is the one major thing that stands out to me that does not fit the profile of standard CD. Maybe the steel vaporized because of some new nano explosives but really, from a research perspective, you will never know the true cause if you eliminate possibilities with out testing them or trying to learn about them. I thinks it's completely within reason to question if new age technologies were implemented in this attack. Open your mind and while you're at it check this out: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5834867580747017149&q=Tesla+-+T...
There are portions in this video that describe the devices.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 8:51pm.
I like how someone went through and voted down each of my posts pushing Tesla's work without taking the time to refute my claims. What's a matta? No cajones?
Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/03/2007 - 1:01am.
Fetzer seemed intelligent and passionate and VERY rational concerning his views on 9/11 at the LA Conference that was broadcasted on C-SPAN during the summer. I don't understand the space-beams bs. If it's so important to him, why did he not even mention it during that conference? Was it edited by C-SPAN?
When it comes to direct action, it should equally apply to corporate media stations. Surround the buildings and adjacent intersections as the demonstrators in Seattle did during the WTO meetings in 99 that successfully shut down the meetings. This way our messages will have to get covered. The key to success is middle America waking up. Not an easy task.
I've listened to and watched Fetzer quite a bit. He has run like hot and cold water. Very very spotty. Sometimes does a great job, sometimes throws a bad comment, bad approach, or weak argument or worse. He's been that way for months and months. Does not listen to constructive criticism well. I frankly think he has been hijacking the movement, and I am glad to see prominent people dissociating from his orgniaziation. He had on his website a link to an article that compared 9/11 to theories of reptiles from outer space of some such nonesense. Overall, a lot of good stuff with quite a bit of nonsense thrown in occasionally, just enough to in effect work to discredit the movement through association with him. IMHO.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 1:33pm.
What do you mean space beam bs? Look at my previos links to Tesla's work on this page. I'm sick of hearing you tools rip on Fetzer for posing completely logical questions. Not ONCE have I heard or seen him state that it was space beams that caused this. What he has done is state that it could be a possibility. STFU and go read about Tesla's work. Stephen Jones is not God so stop treating him like one. He is just another scientist and if he is willing to state that projected energy is a joke then the joke is on you people. Technology videos . That website has many links to his work. Sit your ass down and pay attention. Then stop playing judge, jury, and executioner. Any one who keeps spouting off about there being no possibility of space beams is either cointel(gee imagine that cointel hiding this technology...nahhhh!) or an ignorant fool. Tesla was quite possibly the most brilliant scientist of the last century and the least appreciated. Go edumacate yourself.
Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 11:54pm.
pure fear as usual, with the author telling his readers to use ridicule at the end(pretty mature huh?). islamophobia is part of what drives them, but mainly its just pure fear in my opinion.
We were attacked.... people want to know by whom and why.... so they turn to those whom they trust.... the government.... who is bolstered by the media whose job is not to think but only to report..... The finger gets pointed..... the people call for retribution and protection..... game over
Just need to keep pressing the fear button and extorting the evils of the evil doers... the Radical Muslims.... thus encompassing all Muslims because there is no telling if they are radical because they only know what they have been told about the religion.. never having to ever think for themselves.
This fear is driving a wedge much deeper than you could ever imagine.
Thank God for all the drugs for depression.
JJJames (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 11:48am.
Not even ONE fact that proves us evil truthers wrong.
This is laughable as the usual hit piece calling us crazy kooks/anti-semitic/american-hating offenders of the victims. Hilarous!
I wonder if this guy will be on trial alongside the others when this is finally exposed.
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to support an Independent International Investigation into the events of September 11 2001. More details
Submitted by Mark Sugrue – Deadline to sign up by: 20 November 2007 – Signatures: 42
More details from petition creator:The official US Commission investigation into 9/11 has been widely discredited. The Commission's Executive Director Philip D. Zelikow was a Bush White House insider who had the power to direct investigations away from certain topics. Much of the evidence presented was heard in secret by Mr Zelikow and not passed on to the other Commissioners. The 9/11 Victim's Families have called for a new independent and international investigation. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/9-11-Truth/
they have no shame. George H.W. Bush just got up to eulogize Ford and one of the very first things out of his mouth was "the conspiracy theorists.....blah blah blah......Warren Commission got it right because Fords name was on it". im sorry, i dont know the exact qoute but i find it very telling that this evil scumbag felt the need to go there. and right off the bat too.
I'm sure that their internal polling shows the rate at which the 9/11 Truth movement is growing and they know that their days are numbered unless they can do something to stop this train.
They can't, of course.
We have the facts and the laws of physics on our side, they have increasingly hysterical lies on theirs. This won't be pretty, brothers and sisters, but when the truth hits the fan we will get our new investigations and much more.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
CATHERINE WILLOWS - Marg Helgenberger CSI: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION
WILLOWS
I searched the US Government's Bureau of Transportation Statistics for all American Airlines scheduled flights departing from Washington Dulles International Airport on September 11th, 2001. Flight seventy-seven is a daily flight from Washington to Los Angeles, but for some reason the database showed no reference to American Airlines Flight Seventy-Seven being schedualed for departure on nine-eleven.
GRISSOM
Do passengers normaly make reservations and purchase tickets for unschedualed flights Catherine?
WILLOWS
Not likely.
GRISSOM
Do luggage handlers load luggage for passengers of unschedualed flights?
WILLOWS
Probably not.
GRISSOM
And I suppose janitoral service workers cleaned the interior, food service workers stocked the galley with food and refreshments and ground crew services and refueled this aircraft that was unschedualed for flight?
WILLOWS
Gil, you never suppose. And here's another twist. American Airlines Flight seventy-seven passinger and crew list sixty-four people aboard.
GRISSOM
Sixty four people aboard an unschedualed flight. How odd Catherine.
WILLOWS
If you think that's odd? Khalid Almihdhar, Majed Moqed, Salem Alhazmi, Nawaf Alhazmi and Hani Hanjour are accused of hijacking the plane and crashing it into the Pentagon, but theres only one problem.
GRISSOM
Not schedualed to fly, not reserved, no tickets, not cleaned, stocked, serviced, fueled and boarded, what could possably be one problem with it being hijacked and kamikazed into the Pentagon?
WILLOWS
There were no Arab names on the passenger manifest.
GRISSOM
What about the Dulles surveillance video?
WILLOWS
Surveillance video from Dulles shows three people with middle eastern features being pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny after setting off metal detectors but then permitted to continue on. These individuals have not been positively identified.
WILLOWS
And get this. Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about twenty-one "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive.
GRISSOM
There's always somebody that dosen't get the word.
WILLOWS
Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu, Saudi Arabia.
GRISSOM
Mistake in Identy. How many Salem Al-Hazmi's are there?
WILLOWS
Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have piloted the hijacked plane into the Pentagon, was stopped for speeding within a few miles of the military headquarters six weeks before the attack. He was ticketed Aug. one for driving fifty-five mph in a thirty mph zone in the eighteen hundreed block of South George Mason Drive, Arlington, Va. Three weeks after the stop, Hanjour mailed in a money order to pay a seventy dollar fine and thirty dollars in court costs.
GRISSOM
Why would someone pay a driving ticket if they knew they were gong to kill themselves?
WILLOWS
So, what do you call a Boeing 757 that's not schedualed to fly, reportedly hijacked during flight by five Passengers who are not listed as being aboard, three of which turn up alive, and crashed into the Pentagon?
Daddy Bush Attacks JFK "Conspiracy Theorists"
Former President triumphs Warren Commission at Ford's funeral; Are the Bush's breaking down?
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, January 3, 2007
During his speech at yesterday's funeral service for Gerald Ford, former President George H.W. Bush bashed JFK "conspiracy theorists" and defended the Warren Commission report, another odd public outburst indicative of a crime family whose decades of misdeeds may finally be catching up with them.
"After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness," said Bush. "And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good."
The only thing Ford was good for was running defense for criminals when he pardoned the remorseless Richard Nixon and others after Watergate, allowing larcenous felons to walk free and leaving the legacy in place that it's OK to break the law if you are the President, a form of absolutism that has been keenly inherited by the current crop of crooks, including Dick Cheney who praised Ford for 'allowing the nation to heal' by protecting a cadre of organized crime gangsters.
Amen to that one! It was a turning point in America.
Of course he praised Ford.There are still to this day questions of daddy Bushes involvement in the JFK
saga.The warren commission was so sloppy in the cover up it proved how stupid some people can be.
It might have even implanted the idea.
Hey! Let's try something bigger.
FBI memo, photo link Bush Sr to JFK Dallas murder scene
Dallas—March 23, 2006—TomFlocco.com—A November 29, 1963 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit memo unearthed in 1977-78 proves that former President George H. W. Bush was a member of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the recipient of a full briefing on the day after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 when Bush was 39 years old, despite his protestations to the contrary. http://tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm
If you knew anything about the Nazis.... you are looking in the wrong direction.
go ahead and Google "14 points of fascism"..... and realize that the only thing seperating our system from fascism is the fact that we have a two party system.... then consider that both sides are playing for the same team while acting as if they are not.... if you control most of both parties... it quickly becomes a one party system.
JJJames (not verified) on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 2:01pm.
Oh, that's just our old friend MJ--he oozed out from under a rock about the same time "my hero" was getting mocked into irrelevance. Rating him down seems to work adequetly enough.
It seems everyone is trying to make a buck off 9/11. Now you can buy a coin of the Twin Towers. http://www.wtcproof.com/ I wonder how this makes the 9/11 family members feel? Talk about sick!
Sorry to hijack the thread but this is highly relevent with everything else our government. Here's a video of a teenager being intimidated at a DWI checkpoint. He has done nothing wrong and just wants to be on his way but they won't let him without harrassing him first.
911 WTC Links To Russian-Jewish Mafia Revealed
SPECIAL REPORT By Wayne Madsen 1-2-7
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The investigators are wise to pursue the links to U.S. security firms and former CIA personnel involved in pre-9/11 protection functions. The FBI cannot or will not investigate the actual perpetrators of 9/11. However, the Italian and Russian law enforcement professionals are beginning to get very close.
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Pat Robertson predicts unpleasant 2007
Associated Press
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. — In what has become an annual tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson predicted Tuesday that a terrorist attack on the United States would result in “mass killing” late in 2007.
“I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear,” he said during his news-and-talk television show The 700 Club on the Christian Broadcasting Network. “The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that.”
Mr. Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place some time after September.
Mr. Robertson said God also told him that the U.S. only feigns friendship with Israel and that U.S. policies are pushing Israel toward “national suicide.”
Mr. Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.
The broadcaster predicted in January 2004 that U.S. President George W. Bush would easily win re-election. Mr. Bush won 51 per cent of the vote that fall, beating Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. He also predicted Bush's victory for a second term in 2005.
“I have a relatively good track record,” he said. “Sometimes I miss.”
In May, Mr. Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006. Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Mr. Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction.
Hey, there, 911debunker--I assume this because it sounds you are refering to your discussions in your journal--forgot to fill out the name field, eh?
Happens to us all sometimes. Look, I've been considering what you've said about the whole troll issue and maybe I've been wrong. Still don't know about your take on the evidence but I was considering taking up your invite to JREF. But my registration was rejected. Know what's going on with that?
I know you're busy over there researching and you may not get back to this, but some help with JREF would be appreciated. Or you can use the live jounal link to contact me. This may indeed be all a missunderstanding.
And you are right, "It\'s time that we take a look at what DID happen." Thanks for inviting us to your journal.
The eleventh is a week from tomorrow -- plenty o' time to plan something not demanding -- maybe an impeachment thing emphasizing Tarpley's "misprision of treason" angle. Pics in car windows? Writing it on our foreheads?
I know....
I know its 2 weeks old, But this is the first time I seen this WI news coverage and it was just added a day or so ago to youtube
Real Planes Leave Real Wreckage
Over and above scores of non-passenger plane related 9/11 anomalies, the No Plane Theory seems to provide a common sense explanation for many of the unanswered questions and inconsistencies. For example, the NPT explains:
1. why government BTS records show that two of the four planes never took off that day and two others were not decommissioned until four years later.
2. why the government has refused (or been unable) to present "a single airplane part by serial number for independent corroboration," and why there is no confirmed debris of any of the alleged four planes, so that all of them have disappeared without a trace;
3. why the passenger lists are phony; why no Arabic names are on any of the passenger lists; and why there are remarkably few alleged plane victims’ families requesting compensation
4. why several of the purported hijackers have turned up alive and why the government apparently felt it necessary to produce such unpersuasive evidence as hijacker passports, training manuals, etc.
5. why in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the government claimed that there were terror cells operating in at least 40 states but hasn’t produced even one untainted terror cell in the last five years.
6. why there is no reliable video of the Pentagon and the NYC Twin Tower attacks. In the case of the Pentagon video released by the government first as photo stills and then as video, no plane is in evidence; nor would it be possible for a big passenger jet to come in at ground level at high speed.
7. why there was no air cover in NYC or in Washington, D.C. until after the Pentagon attack at 9:37. If there were no hijacked planes there would have been no need for interceptions.
8. why there are no credible witnesses to ANY of the alleged four planes.
9. why the authorities destroyed the tapes of the flight controllers’ recollections of the events of that day. Those tapes might contain evidence that flights 11 and 77 did not take off that day and that 175 and 93 did not crash.
10. why ALL the cell phone calls were fabricated including the iconic "Let’s Roll," call as well as the Ted Olson-Barbara Olson exchange.
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
Demolition Wave
9/11 – Listen to the Demolition Wave that caused the collapse of the WTC South Tower
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=9%2F11+...
DISINFORMATION - Audio is
DISINFORMATION - Audio is edited
Amanda's MO - post disinformation at the top of any blog via a reply...
No Plane WTC2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuOapEyp1o
go away you ugly hag. why
go away you ugly hag. why are you here anyway? you have no life like Ronny?
Chrissy, you are a loser
Come over hear and get spanked. I didn´t realize I raised such and idiot.
could it be?
my own personal troll? YES!!!!!!! this means im being effective like Jenny, Jon and others who have had their own personal trolls in the past. thanks for the ego boost man! didnt know i was that important. or was it that the ugly hag remark hit too close to home?
Alas, but no
I have several retarded children I must attend to, so I regret to tell you that you are not the only one. Now please help me shave my back so I can go have sex with farm animals now and perhaps give you another sibling of similarly low mental abilities.
Sunshine, you're wandering
Sunshine, you're wandering near that line where we actually notify the moderators and have your post PULLED. Get it? PULLED--like WTC 7.
Just sayin', friendly, like.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
goddamn, i really did hurt
goddamn, i really did hurt your feelings with the ugly hag comment huh? jeez, i didnt know you were so sensitive, sorry big guy. and "your momma"jokes huh? is it 1991 again?
Most all your questions can be answered by drones being used
instead of the actual passenger planes, (as per Operation Northwoods, btw).
Debunked a long time ago. No
Debunked a long time ago. No drones.
where is the link?????
tks!
Manhattan Project? Thousands
Manhattan Project? Thousands of people involved, kept secret for years.
"True enlightenment is attained when one can, at will, see through the illusion of reality." - Me, intoxicated
some 911 truth activism from today, stockholm SWEDEN
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=344199522&size=l
i just had to... the board was totally clean with only one poster up [top left on the picture]. i hope someone notices these :)
keep it up other 911 truth activist out there! peace/anti
Wow!
That was actually "fair and balanced"! Sorry, but I'm really not used to seeing that anymore!
I almost want to write the TV station. In fact I will!
Let this station know ...
Let them know that you appreciate their fair coverage of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
You may either call the WISN 12 Newsroom at (414) 937-3331 or the Web staff at (414) 937-3187. You can also e-mail the news assignment desk at wisntvnews@TheMilwaukeeChannel.com.
The station's mailing address is:
WISN TV
P.O. Box 402
Milwaukee, WI 53201-0402
Front Desk Number: (414) 342-8812
i just called
the woman seemed very surprised, but enthusiastic about the call. please call and voice your support.
No mention of the "c" word
Am I right? I don't think I heard him say "conspiracy" theory with the typical tongue in cheek that you see from Hannity or O'Reilly. It was presented no differently than a recall of faulty air conditioners or a looming thunderstorm.
The tipping point is upon us.
All successful newspapers
Very cool, a straight up news report, just like the one we got
in San Francisco.
Thanks for posting this.
We are winning, brothers and sisters, 2007 is going to be huge for 9/11 Truth.
I hope that you and yours are well.
Happy Truth year!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Good coverage, but I wish the newsman (like many others)
wouldn't make the blanket statement that truthers believe, "the U.S. Government was responsible for 9/11" It makes it sound like we think the entire House & Senate, Airforce, Army, Navy, etc. were in on it, when we know that only a small number of people knew what the big picture was.
It may not be precise, but
It may not be precise, but it is accurate...
The entire Government is responsible.
Their silence makes them complicit, if only after the fact.
true blame rests with the
true blame rests with the cfr---
not america
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the time of the prosecutors is begininning
Exactly
That's exactly what O'Liely tried to do when Kevin Barrett appeared on his show... saying that it was the military who killed 3,000 Americans.
they attempt to make it bigger than it is.... making it more unbelievable to the unmotivated populus.
This demonstration shows how the movement can grow rapidly
When I originally heard about the 9/11 Tea Party event, it was only taking place in boston and I assumed it would pass with little notice. Seems with not much time it grew to many other cities and in the end it got lots of media coverage. If we can slap this together in a moments notice, we should have themed events like this every month or so. The number of people in attendance will grow with each event, and the number of cities participating will grow with each event. We should start a coordinated plan. Do other people and 9/11 groups out there see the potential in this as well?
Presidents Day, MLK Day, etc
Yes yes! Let's have similar events. I am at a loss as to what to do besides hold signs. The Tea Party had such a great historical political action element. What should we DO on Presidents' day?
On President's day we could have sit ins in public places
all across the country and all read My Pet Goat just like W did.
At the same time we can hand out leaflets that describle what a complete departure from SOP this was for the Secret Service and also highlight the main problems with the government story of 9/11.
We definitely need to take every opportunity to make our points and do it in colorful and imaginative ways that will appeal to local news.
There are several historical dates in the American Revolution that will tie in very well and we should make very good use of these. We are the patriots, after all.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Be well.
LOL
Good idea
All great ideas, I'm hoping
that those of us who have the contacts can pick up the phone and start making the arrangements. I'm not sure how the whole tea party thing evolved, but it should basically follow that model!
There's a plan for the anniversary of Paul Revere's ride
on April 18th, which is the day before the anniversary of the OKC Bombing. I think the idea is from Boston Truth and we should all join in. That's months away though - we need to be participating in national days of truth action at least once a month.
I propose that if there is no other date to tie an action to
that we just plan actions for the 11th of each month.
These should be a variety of events designed for maximum media exposure with a direct connection to significant information and/or a specific aspect about 9/11.
Btw - President's Day is Monday, February 19th and the book is actually titled "The Pet Goat".
Additionally, there are national impeachment protests planned for January 27th. I think we should organize 9/11 Truth groups to march in these protests as a unified block, leafleting as we go.
2007 is going to be a huge year for 9/11 Truth, let's get this going early, shall we?
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Be well.
I second that proposal
If we base monthly actions on the 11th it will accentuate that this will be a regularly occurring and ongoing action that won't stop until we get what we came for.
I was wanting to put up a blog about this 3 weeks ago but I'm not very interested in writing - I just wanted to start a discussion and more importantly get the action going. My idea is to have a national day of action once a month as well as weekly targeted media campaigns. We need to get moving.
So.. we have 9 days until the 11th. Who else is ready?
"If it's the 11th, there must be signs"
LW -- your blog by this title gave me the same idea. I just submitted a blog entry about it -- we'll see if someone beat me to it.
There was an impeachment event in Portland yesterday that I attended, with a very minimal 9/11 presence. I think you're right that we need to be a MAJOR presence at things like this -- maybe pimping the Webster Tarpley "misprision of treason" concept.
Everyone check this out
Add ideas and spread the word -
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5357
Thanks for posting that, casseia!
Plan Your Own 9/11 Truth Event In Your City and Town
When the student is ready the teacher will come.
When I planned the Milwaukee/ Lake Michigan Tea Party I did it with only about a weeks notice. I would've liked it if I had more time, but the event went off well and we did get coverage by the local media. That's why I think it's important for any 9/11 Truther that is reading this and is capable of creating an event, should just do it and hope for the best. Right now as I see it we need to build momentum with our local media and create these events in many cities and towns throughout the USA. This will create pressure on the MSM and the 110th Congress.
Remember there is a much larger percentage of people that get their news from local newspapers and local news stations. If your going to plan an event, and I hope you do, then make your posters and flyers, burn DVD's and contact your local news outlets and your major and local newpaper. Don't forget to call up your local talk radio programs and let them know about it.
I personally hand delivered a flyer of my event to the local media outlets and I gave them a 9/11 Truth DVD. They can make it happen on the news if you make the event happen in the public eye. Good Luck and Take Care Matt Founder of Take A Stand For 9/11 Truth ts911t.org
Excellent job with you Tea Party and thoughts on creating....
....exposure for activism events....have you seen casseia's post about making the 11th of each month a day for Truthers nationally to coordinate their efforts?....I'm sure you'd have some good insights to add....
Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice
Hey, why aren't you guys reporting on the recent establishment of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice?
Seems like a pretty important event to me.
For those interested, this is where Dr. Steve Jones landed:
http://schol.digitalstyledesigns.com/
I would venture to say that there will be no talk of "no planes", "space beams" , "mini nukes" or other 'fascinating' theories there. I hope not anyway.
The REAL truth of 9/11 is probably not very 'fascinating'.
Just another coup perpetrated by the Rich Pasty White Men's Club.
THIS NEEDS TO BE FRONT PAGE!!
http://schol.digitalstyledesigns.com/
Well then...
Either write a blog about it or submit it as a news item.
Well, the establishment of a
Well, the establishment of a Scholars group outside of the (obviously hijacked ) st911 seems pretty significant and important...to me anyway.
So...NOONE else here is interested in that?
I'll be glad to submit a 'blog' or 'news item' on that.....if noone else will.
I just thought the creation of another scholars group with Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan (and others) would warrant front page coverage here.
Apparently it doesn't.
It looks like that site is
It looks like that site is still under development?
I just thought the creation of another scholars group with Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan (and others) would warrant front page coverage here.
Apparently it doesn't.
Nice judgmental attitude by the way.
This is huge news!
This is huge news, and I am so happy that Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan and hopefully many others too will dissociate themselves with Fetzer and Wood, who are promoting "energy beams from outer space" and apparently have done a lot of other inappropriate things as specified at the site listed above for the new group. This is huge news! I hope someone will write this up as a major story for this site.
Hey 'tard. Space
Hey 'tard. Space beams
"Energy beams from space" are possible. I don't know if any were involved on 9/11 in the towers collapse but I haven't seen anything to make me eliminate them. They could have been used in conjunction with CD.
Go watch it. Learn.
Also, you might not want to add quotes sarcastically around a statement when you obviously aren't up on the 60+ year old literature.
Here's Fetzer promoting the
Here's Fetzer promoting the "space beams from outer space" for the Twin Towers, with no mention of the demolition hypothesis for the Twin Towers, in a speech in Tuscon. He mentions Judy Woods over and over, I don't hear him mentioning Steven Jones once. Says Building 7 "may have been the location for some of these weapons" - the energy beam weapons. I just cannot believe Fetzer. I have not liked many things he's done and said since early summer 2006.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=646337772656177512&q=9%2F11+tuscon
> Here's Fetzer promoting
> Here's Fetzer promoting the "space beams from outer space" for the Twin Towers, with no mention of the demolition hypothesis for the Twin Towers, in a speech in Tuscon
Utter crap. Totally unbelievable.
He brings up certain facts of the collapse and then assigns them to a theory which "Judy speculated" could be a possible explanation. But, of couse, the technology is 20 years ahead of public knowledge and is therefore an UNTESTABLE theory which NO valid scientific paper behind it.
Bring be Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones any day!
Mistake to attack Fetzer
I think it is a mistake to attack Fetzer. He is just bringing up a new hypothesis, which is normal in scientific research.
He may be right. It's not that far-fetched, and it does help to account for the enormous amount of energy that seems to have been used to destroy the buildings.
I do agree that politically it is probably not a good idea to lead with this sort of hypothesis, but he has done a lot--he stands out front, says what he thinks, and is a good writer.
It is divisive to turn against him and/or take personal or emotional sides in his disagreements with Jones and others.
People fight. It's OK. Happens all the time. We do not need to add fuel to those fires.
Look to the positive and honor the man for all of the good he has done.
I am embarassed to have once thought Fetzer was on the level.
Now it is obvious he is deluded or malicious.
What if public knowledge is
What if public knowledge is decades behind the actual research? You have poor logic. Go to the Tesla video links I posted. The public is behind just so you know.
Yo, buddy. When Fetzer
Yo, buddy. When Fetzer discusses the "possibility" of projected energy that's all he is doing. I didn't hear him say that projected energy was the cause. What he did was he described wtc 7 as a traditional CD. WTC 1&2 he described as a demolition which is beyond what the public is familiar with(ie: traditional). There isn't one ounce of deception in those statements. Siding with Jones because you disagree with the possibility of new age weapons doesn't make Fetzer a fake. If you had any grasp of what Tesla's work and his theories were about you would keep an open mind to the possibility of some projected energy weapon being used, perhaps alone, perhaps in conjunction with a different style of CD, or perhaps not at all. I personnally find the steel to dust video pretty interesting and anomalous. It is the one major thing that stands out to me that does not fit the profile of standard CD. Maybe the steel vaporized because of some new nano explosives but really, from a research perspective, you will never know the true cause if you eliminate possibilities with out testing them or trying to learn about them. I thinks it's completely within reason to question if new age technologies were implemented in this attack. Open your mind and while you're at it check this out: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5834867580747017149&q=Tesla+-+T...
There are portions in this video that describe the devices.
I like how someone went
I like how someone went through and voted down each of my posts pushing Tesla's work without taking the time to refute my claims. What's a matta? No cajones?
OT: great flash animation on
OT: great flash animation on CIA and Saddam: "Thanks for the memories". Check it out:
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
Fetzer seemed intelligent
Fetzer seemed intelligent and passionate and VERY rational concerning his views on 9/11 at the LA Conference that was broadcasted on C-SPAN during the summer. I don't understand the space-beams bs. If it's so important to him, why did he not even mention it during that conference? Was it edited by C-SPAN?
DA
When it comes to direct action, it should equally apply to corporate media stations. Surround the buildings and adjacent intersections as the demonstrators in Seattle did during the WTO meetings in 99 that successfully shut down the meetings. This way our messages will have to get covered. The key to success is middle America waking up. Not an easy task.
Fetzer
I've listened to and watched Fetzer quite a bit. He has run like hot and cold water. Very very spotty. Sometimes does a great job, sometimes throws a bad comment, bad approach, or weak argument or worse. He's been that way for months and months. Does not listen to constructive criticism well. I frankly think he has been hijacking the movement, and I am glad to see prominent people dissociating from his orgniaziation. He had on his website a link to an article that compared 9/11 to theories of reptiles from outer space of some such nonesense. Overall, a lot of good stuff with quite a bit of nonsense thrown in occasionally, just enough to in effect work to discredit the movement through association with him. IMHO.
What do you mean space beam
What do you mean space beam bs? Look at my previos links to Tesla's work on this page. I'm sick of hearing you tools rip on Fetzer for posing completely logical questions. Not ONCE have I heard or seen him state that it was space beams that caused this. What he has done is state that it could be a possibility. STFU and go read about Tesla's work. Stephen Jones is not God so stop treating him like one. He is just another scientist and if he is willing to state that projected energy is a joke then the joke is on you people. Technology videos . That website has many links to his work. Sit your ass down and pay attention. Then stop playing judge, jury, and executioner. Any one who keeps spouting off about there being no possibility of space beams is either cointel(gee imagine that cointel hiding this technology...nahhhh!) or an ignorant fool. Tesla was quite possibly the most brilliant scientist of the last century and the least appreciated. Go edumacate yourself.
American Thinker Hit Piece..
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/a_conspiracy_of_ignorance.html
Same old uneducated, hit piece.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Once again
American Thinker.... LOL!
New slogan.... "You don't have to think. We'll do it for you."
Now offering free subscriptions to anyone who will please read our magazine
pure fear as usual, with the
pure fear as usual, with the author telling his readers to use ridicule at the end(pretty mature huh?). islamophobia is part of what drives them, but mainly its just pure fear in my opinion.
Combo
Faith and Fear witha pinch of Racism.
We were attacked.... people want to know by whom and why.... so they turn to those whom they trust.... the government.... who is bolstered by the media whose job is not to think but only to report..... The finger gets pointed..... the people call for retribution and protection..... game over
Just need to keep pressing the fear button and extorting the evils of the evil doers... the Radical Muslims.... thus encompassing all Muslims because there is no telling if they are radical because they only know what they have been told about the religion.. never having to ever think for themselves.
This fear is driving a wedge much deeper than you could ever imagine.
Thank God for all the drugs for depression.
Not even ONE fact that
Not even ONE fact that proves us evil truthers wrong.
This is laughable as the usual hit piece calling us crazy kooks/anti-semitic/american-hating offenders of the victims. Hilarous!
I wonder if this guy will be on trial alongside the others when this is finally exposed.
Petition For 9/11 Truth On Prime Minister's Website
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to support an Independent International Investigation into the events of September 11 2001. More details
Submitted by Mark Sugrue – Deadline to sign up by: 20 November 2007 – Signatures: 42
More details from petition creator:The official US Commission investigation into 9/11 has been widely discredited. The Commission's Executive Director Philip D. Zelikow was a Bush White House insider who had the power to direct investigations away from certain topics. Much of the evidence presented was heard in secret by Mr Zelikow and not passed on to the other Commissioners. The 9/11 Victim's Families have called for a new independent and international investigation.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/9-11-Truth/
OH MY GOD!
they have no shame. George H.W. Bush just got up to eulogize Ford and one of the very first things out of his mouth was "the conspiracy theorists.....blah blah blah......Warren Commission got it right because Fords name was on it". im sorry, i dont know the exact qoute but i find it very telling that this evil scumbag felt the need to go there. and right off the bat too.
Hey Bush...
me thinks thou protest too much!
They're really worried now
I'm sure that their internal polling shows the rate at which the 9/11 Truth movement is growing and they know that their days are numbered unless they can do something to stop this train.
They can't, of course.
We have the facts and the laws of physics on our side, they have increasingly hysterical lies on theirs. This won't be pretty, brothers and sisters, but when the truth hits the fan we will get our new investigations and much more.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Be well.
No-Boeing Theorist
CATHERINE WILLOWS - Marg Helgenberger CSI: CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION
WILLOWS
I searched the US Government's Bureau of Transportation Statistics for all American Airlines scheduled flights departing from Washington Dulles International Airport on September 11th, 2001. Flight seventy-seven is a daily flight from Washington to Los Angeles, but for some reason the database showed no reference to American Airlines Flight Seventy-Seven being schedualed for departure on nine-eleven.
GRISSOM
Do passengers normaly make reservations and purchase tickets for unschedualed flights Catherine?
WILLOWS
Not likely.
GRISSOM
Do luggage handlers load luggage for passengers of unschedualed flights?
WILLOWS
Probably not.
GRISSOM
And I suppose janitoral service workers cleaned the interior, food service workers stocked the galley with food and refreshments and ground crew services and refueled this aircraft that was unschedualed for flight?
WILLOWS
Gil, you never suppose. And here's another twist. American Airlines Flight seventy-seven passinger and crew list sixty-four people aboard.
GRISSOM
Sixty four people aboard an unschedualed flight. How odd Catherine.
WILLOWS
If you think that's odd? Khalid Almihdhar, Majed Moqed, Salem Alhazmi, Nawaf Alhazmi and Hani Hanjour are accused of hijacking the plane and crashing it into the Pentagon, but theres only one problem.
GRISSOM
Not schedualed to fly, not reserved, no tickets, not cleaned, stocked, serviced, fueled and boarded, what could possably be one problem with it being hijacked and kamikazed into the Pentagon?
WILLOWS
There were no Arab names on the passenger manifest.
GRISSOM
What about the Dulles surveillance video?
WILLOWS
Surveillance video from Dulles shows three people with middle eastern features being pulled aside to undergo additional scrutiny after setting off metal detectors but then permitted to continue on. These individuals have not been positively identified.
WILLOWS
And get this. Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about twenty-one "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive.
GRISSOM
There's always somebody that dosen't get the word.
WILLOWS
Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu, Saudi Arabia.
GRISSOM
Mistake in Identy. How many Salem Al-Hazmi's are there?
WILLOWS
Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have piloted the hijacked plane into the Pentagon, was stopped for speeding within a few miles of the military headquarters six weeks before the attack. He was ticketed Aug. one for driving fifty-five mph in a thirty mph zone in the eighteen hundreed block of South George Mason Drive, Arlington, Va. Three weeks after the stop, Hanjour mailed in a money order to pay a seventy dollar fine and thirty dollars in court costs.
GRISSOM
Why would someone pay a driving ticket if they knew they were gong to kill themselves?
WILLOWS
So, what do you call a Boeing 757 that's not schedualed to fly, reportedly hijacked during flight by five Passengers who are not listed as being aboard, three of which turn up alive, and crashed into the Pentagon?
GRISSOM
Good enough for government work?
seriously no shame.
Daddy Bush Attacks JFK "Conspiracy Theorists"
Former President triumphs Warren Commission at Ford's funeral; Are the Bush's breaking down?
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, January 3, 2007
During his speech at yesterday's funeral service for Gerald Ford, former President George H.W. Bush bashed JFK "conspiracy theorists" and defended the Warren Commission report, another odd public outburst indicative of a crime family whose decades of misdeeds may finally be catching up with them.
"After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness," said Bush. "And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good."
The only thing Ford was good for was running defense for criminals when he pardoned the remorseless Richard Nixon and others after Watergate, allowing larcenous felons to walk free and leaving the legacy in place that it's OK to break the law if you are the President, a form of absolutism that has been keenly inherited by the current crop of crooks, including Dick Cheney who praised Ford for 'allowing the nation to heal' by protecting a cadre of organized crime gangsters.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/030107daddybush.htm
Dear Chris
Amen to that one! It was a turning point in America.
Of course he praised Ford.There are still to this day questions of daddy Bushes involvement in the JFK
saga.The warren commission was so sloppy in the cover up it proved how stupid some people can be.
It might have even implanted the idea.
Hey! Let's try something bigger.
right you are my man.....
FBI memo, photo link Bush Sr to JFK Dallas murder scene
Dallas—March 23, 2006—TomFlocco.com—A November 29, 1963 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit memo unearthed in 1977-78 proves that former President George H. W. Bush was a member of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the recipient of a full briefing on the day after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 when Bush was 39 years old, despite his protestations to the contrary.
http://tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm
Hoover/Bush memo
http://tomflocco.com/Docs/Jfk/PresJfkBush.gif
Seriously
You came in just to say that?
Weak
If you knew anything about the Nazis.... you are looking in the wrong direction.
go ahead and Google "14 points of fascism"..... and realize that the only thing seperating our system from fascism is the fact that we have a two party system.... then consider that both sides are playing for the same team while acting as if they are not.... if you control most of both parties... it quickly becomes a one party system.
Oh, that's just our old
Oh, that's just our old friend MJ--he oozed out from under a rock about the same time "my hero" was getting mocked into irrelevance. Rating him down seems to work adequetly enough.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
WTC Coin Off Topic
It seems everyone is trying to make a buck off 9/11. Now you can buy a coin of the Twin Towers. http://www.wtcproof.com/ I wonder how this makes the 9/11 family members feel? Talk about sick!
Congratulations to you guys....
For getting GREAT coverage.
"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."
— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002
Police racheting up intimidation of US citizens
Sorry to hijack the thread but this is highly relevent with everything else our government. Here's a video of a teenager being intimidated at a DWI checkpoint. He has done nothing wrong and just wants to be on his way but they won't let him without harrassing him first.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=1836
A sign of an impending police state is more & more police
infringing on peoples' rights like this!
Closing in....
911 WTC Links To Russian-Jewish Mafia Revealed
SPECIAL REPORT By Wayne Madsen 1-2-7
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The investigators are wise to pursue the links to U.S. security firms and former CIA personnel involved in pre-9/11 protection functions. The FBI cannot or will not investigate the actual perpetrators of 9/11. However, the Italian and Russian law enforcement professionals are beginning to get very close.
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http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
Speak of the Nazi
Da joooooos did it! I know cause it was on da internet.
Pat Robertson predicts next 9/11
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/02/robertson.predictions.ap/index.html
Pat Robertson predicts
Pat Robertson predicts unpleasant 2007
Associated Press
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. — In what has become an annual tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson predicted Tuesday that a terrorist attack on the United States would result in “mass killing” late in 2007.
“I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear,” he said during his news-and-talk television show The 700 Club on the Christian Broadcasting Network. “The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that.”
Mr. Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place some time after September.
Mr. Robertson said God also told him that the U.S. only feigns friendship with Israel and that U.S. policies are pushing Israel toward “national suicide.”
Mr. Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.
The broadcaster predicted in January 2004 that U.S. President George W. Bush would easily win re-election. Mr. Bush won 51 per cent of the vote that fall, beating Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. He also predicted Bush's victory for a second term in 2005.
“I have a relatively good track record,” he said. “Sometimes I miss.”
In May, Mr. Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006. Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Mr. Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070102.wpat0102/BNS...
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Where did you go to college Pat? ...... Yale?
did we confirm his participation in a certain secret group?
I'm pretty sure he's CFR!!
He can leg press 3 times more weight than the collegiant record!... with God's help
Did you just spill some beans Pattie Boy.... time to go to confession
Another myth spewed by the 9/11 Truth Movement shot down.
Flight 93 - Why it landed in Shanksville
I\'ve been doing a lot of talking about what DIDN\'T happen with Flight 93. It\'s time that we take a look at what DID happen.
27 December 2006
http://911debunker.livejournal.com/
Hey, there, 911debunker--I
Hey, there, 911debunker--I assume this because it sounds you are refering to your discussions in your journal--forgot to fill out the name field, eh?
Happens to us all sometimes. Look, I've been considering what you've said about the whole troll issue and maybe I've been wrong. Still don't know about your take on the evidence but I was considering taking up your invite to JREF. But my registration was rejected. Know what's going on with that?
I know you're busy over there researching and you may not get back to this, but some help with JREF would be appreciated. Or you can use the live jounal link to contact me. This may indeed be all a missunderstanding.
And you are right, "It\'s time that we take a look at what DID happen." Thanks for inviting us to your journal.
Unrelated but, are you "Chippy" at JREF?
Cheers.
Pimping the action blog.
The eleventh is a week from tomorrow -- plenty o' time to plan something not demanding -- maybe an impeachment thing emphasizing Tarpley's "misprision of treason" angle. Pics in car windows? Writing it on our foreheads?
The Eleventh = Truth and Accountability Day