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9/11 Inside Job: All Evidence, No Theories

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This is a great piece from Brian over at 911TrutheSeekers.org which deserves to be read on Sunday afternoon or evening with time and a relaxed state of mind to actually focus on the pile of evidence which is demanding an independent investigation be opened. The list below is a powerhouse of information and leads for the inquiring mind and concerned citizen.

9/11 INSIDE JOB: ALL EVIDENCE, NO THEORIES!

1. Where is the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Where are the wings, the tail, the two 9-foot Rolls Royce steel engines, the fuselage, etc? How does a 757 with a wingspan of 125 feet fit into a 16 by 20 foot initial impact hole? Why were only five photos of "something" hitting the Pentagon released that certainly didn’t look like a 757? Why did the FBI confiscate all other videos and photos of the Pentagon crash? Why didn’t any of the Pentagon’s five antiaircraft batteries shoot the plane down? One large piece of evidence that was found was covered in blue tarp and hauled away into obscurity! They did find a 3-foot engine, which is coincidentally the same size as the Global Hawk’s engine. Also, many eyewitnesses saw a "plane that appeared to hold 8-12 people" hit the building.

2. Why the apparent "STAND DOWN" by the FAA, NORAD, and NMCC on 9/11? NORAD had routinely intercepted planes 67 times earlier that year within 20 minutes each time and NEVER had a failure like they did on 9/11, nor after 9/11. On June 1, 2001, new instructions issued by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reassigned aircraft interception authority to Rumsfeld, contradicting normal procedures. When either radar and cockpit contact is blocked, when transponders are turned off, or when planes deviate from their flight plan, standard military procedure is to scramble fighter jets immediately in order to regain contact with the pilot. According to Richard Meyers (then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) and NORAD spokesman Mike Snyder, NORAD did NOTHING (for over an hour) until AFTER the Pentagon was hit! When they finally did, they scrambled F-16’s from Langley Air Force Base 120 miles from the Pentagon, NOT Andrews AFB 12 miles away. To top off this peculiar event, the F-16’s conveniently traveled at 400 MPH, well under their 1500 MPH capacity, and they of course didn’t make it in time to the Pentagon. Because this was a clear violation of standard operating procedures, where are the reprimands? (Also see #24) Two months prior to 9/11, the FAA, FEMA, NORAD, DOD, and the White House were engaged in at least 35 drills including a series of elaborate War Games, anti-terror drills and hijack Field Training Exercises (FTX). They had 5 drills on the very morning of 9/11 – Operation Northern Vigilance, Biowarfare Exercise Triopod II, Operation Vigilant Guardian, Operation Northern Guardian, and Operation Vigilant Warrior. One drill covering New York City, involved hijacked planes used as missiles to attack prominent buildings! MASCAL, a mock terrorist exercise, was held in the Secretaries of Defense conference room on October 24-26, 2000. This exercise required emergency response teams, members of the defense protective services, and U.S. government officials to conduct emergency simulations in preparation for possible attacks on the Pentagon headquarters at the hands of incoming passenger planes.

3. Heat from burning jet fuel was reportedly the sole cause of the WTC collapses. What a ludicrous theory! 1. Steel melts at 2750°F. 2. The steel in the Towers was certified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. to withstand 2000°F for 6 hours! 3. Jet fuel produces a maximum temperature of 1800°F in a special combustion chamber. Theories that claim the steel melted from the jet fuel fire violate the laws of physics! Also, steel frame buildings have NEVER collapsed due to fires! Steel frame buildings cannot collapse at free-fall speed, symmetrically, straight down into a relatively small pile of rubble due to fire. That’s a fact.
WTC maintenance workers confirm massive explosions in the sub-basement area that closely coincided with the aircraft impacts on the upper floors. FDNY rescuers also confirm coordinated explosions "like demolition charges" in the North Tower, as they escaped. The media conveniently failed to show these witnesses. According to civil engineering professor Hyman Brown, the WTC’s construction manager, WTC 1 and 2 were designed to survive an impact and resulting fires from a collision by the largest commercial aircraft at the time, a Boeing 707, carrying 23,000 gallons of fuel. He also stated the towers "could have easily withstood multiple airplane crashes". Another feature that would be expected only if explosives were used to slice the steel columns would be molten steel, and its existence at the WTC site was indeed reported by several witnesses, including the two main figures involved in the clean up, Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction, and Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. Tully said that he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at the site. Loizeaux said that several weeks after 9/11, when the rubble was being removed, "hot spots of molten steel" were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven basement levels". Hot spots were recorded up to 1377°F 5 DAYS AFTER 9/11! To top off this peculiar event, the steel structures and columns were quickly removed from the site (before any examination and to the objection of fire safety officials, firefighters, and victims’ families) and shipped to China and India to be recycled! (The real cause of the collapses was a highly sophisticated controlled demolition!)

4. How did WTC 7 collapse when no plane hit it? The collapse of Building 7 was later admitted to be a demolition by owner Larry Silverstein on a PBS interview in Sept. 2002. In a phone call with the FDNY chief regarding building 7, he said "We've had such terrible loss of life; maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" referring to the demolition of building 7. Larry later explains that "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building at that time! Also, the FDNY is not equipped or trained to "pull" Building 7 in a controlled demolition as Larry stated. Nor can any building be prepared for such a well-designed demolition in the few minutes after Larry asked to "pull it". Coincidentally, Silverstein assumed a 99-year lease on the WTC Towers on July 24, just six weeks before Sept. 11. After the attacks, Larry boldly asserted he was entitled to twice the insurance policy value because "The two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate ‘occurrences’ for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion collective worth of the policies, or $7.2 billion." (Do you think he wanted building 7 to collapse? The official FEMA report on WTC 7 concludes "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time." Nice investigation there!)

5. Don’t believe that our government is capable or that ruthless to murder Americans to justify a war in Iraq? Read about "Operation Northwoods", which shows plans that Lyman Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up in 1962 and approved for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. They proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba. The plan called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; a commercial plane full of college students to be shot down; a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. They even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing they needed to launch their war.

6. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93? Where is the plane? Where are the bodies?
Wally Miller, Sumerset County coroner stated, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there."
Ohio Mayor Michael White reported "A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard. The plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United verified the plane as Flight 93, but was deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175." The government claims the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away! Several witnesses heard "a loud bang" just before the plane began to drop and others saw a small military type plane flying around shortly before UA93 crashed. Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz said, "The Air Force was tracking the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania and had been in position to bring it down if necessary." The official theory says Flight 93 crashed at 10:03, but seismic analysis shows 10:06. Is that why there is 3 minutes missing from the CVR and the FBI is still hiding the analysis of the FDR & the air traffic control tape from that flight?
How did passengers on flight 93 make cell phone calls while in flight? Regular cell phones don't work on commercial airliners flying at normal altitudes. Don’t believe these calls could’ve been staged? On February 1, 1999, a new voice morphing technology was introduced to Gen. Carl Steiner (former Commander-in-chief, US Special Operations Command) at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. By taking a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner’s voice, scientist George Papcun was able to clone his speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile so exact, it even fooled Steiner! He was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

7. The invasion of Iraq was actually planned back in 1992 (during Bush I) by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Lewis Libby in their "Defense Planning Guidance". They later audaciously proposed a basic blueprint for U.S. world domination in PNAC’s "Rebuilding America’s Defenses". PNAC’s Sept. 2000 Statement of Principles - which states "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" - would consequently advance their policies, i.e. justify wars and "regime changes". When they got back into power in 2001 they had an opportunity to enact their plan. The problem was that they needed a catalyst, an event that would justify these invasions. Their operational plans were then drawn up in June 2001, and 9/11 was treated as a Pearl Harbor pretext. Their original basis for war was to unseat the Taliban. They were claiming that the primary reason for these hostilities would be the Taliban's unwillingness to cooperate with UN inspectors, a pretext that would have not gone over well. They received a better pretext for attacking with the 9/11 attacks. Of course what they really wanted was to aggressively expand U.S. (globalist) influence throughout the region, and eventually secure a pipeline through Afghanistan for the benefit of UNOCAL and other big globalist oil companies.
Another "smoking gun" is the Downing Street memo, which contains an overview of a secret July 23, 2002 meeting where British intelligence officials visited Washington informing Prime Minister Tony Blair that war was nearly inevitable with Iraq.

8. Usually in high crimes, investigators follow the money trail to find the perpetrator. Not in this case of never-ending coincidences and anomalies. On September 10, ISI agent Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh made a wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohamed Atta's bank account in Florida at the instruction of General Mahmoud Ahmad, the Director of the ISI. "Money man" General Ahmad was in Washington on 9/11, arriving on Sept. 4. He first met with CIA Director George Tenet until Sept. 9, and then met with officials in the Pentagon, the NSC, and the State Department on Sept. 13. The chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence committees Porter Goss and Bob Graham had breakfast with General Ahmad on Capitol Hill the very morning of Sept. 11! (Can you say conflict of interest?!) Due to pressure from the Bush administration, General Ahmad was subsequently forced to resign on October 8, 2001, effectively blocking any further investigation into the matter. (How convenient!)

9. What ever happened to the Anthrax sent by terrorists? The letters contained a specific type of high quality mil-spec weaponized Anthrax made only by a United States military lab at USAMRIID Fort Detrick, Maryland. When the FBI discovered that the end of the hunt for the sender of the Anthrax letters was not Dr. Assaad the Egyptian, but Dr. Zack, who is Jewish, both the FBI and the media stopped making any public comments on the case! The targets of the anthrax attacks were the Senators who opposed the Patriot Act. (Coincidentally, since Nov. 2001, over 40 microbiologists have died under suspicious circumstances, most specializing in vaccines and bio-weapons research – very suspicious.)
And why was Dick Cheney’s staff ordered to take the antibiotic Cipro weeks before the first anthrax attacks began?

10. Why Did the Bush Administration Endorse a Forgery about Iraq’s Nuclear Program? On September 24, 2002, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stated to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the C.I.A. had recently received "intelligence" showing that, between 1999 and 2001, Iraq had attempted to buy five hundred tons of uranium oxide from Niger. Bush even mentioned this in his State of the Union Message, on January 28, 2003. However, on March 7th 2003, Mohamed ElBaradei, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me, "These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking." Another official said that the I.A.E.A. has not been able to determine who actually prepared the documents. "It could be someone who intercepted faxes in Israel. We don’t know. Somebody got old letterheads and signatures, and cut and pasted."

11. Where are the flight recorders (black boxes)? The FBI admits the recorders for flights 77 and 93 were found, but were "too damaged to provide any record". As for the WTC planes, two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed that they had found three of these four boxes, but Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. Another source from the NTSB also says these boxes "were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB, but you’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are". (Nice cover-up FBI)

12. Did you know that the 9/11 Commission Executive Director Phillip Zelikow had conflicts of interest with the Bush Administration? Shortly after 9/11 he was on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board up until he became executive director. He also co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice about their experiences in the first Bush White House. Chairman Thomas Kean was director of oil giant Amerada Hess; had business ties to Saudi Khalid bin Mahfouz; co-chairman of Homeland Security Project; and CFR member.
Furthermore, an official investigation of the attacks cannot be taken seriously when it took 14 months to authorize it, was then underfunded and obstructed, was then staffed only by government insiders who failed to ask hundreds of questions posed by victims’ families and excluded important information provided by whistleblowers, the few documents they were given had to be filtered through the White House for approval, based its whole premise on proving the "official theory", and allowed the FAA timeline to be changed!

13. Why was the budget for the 9/11 Commission investigation initially just $3 million? (Later raised to $15 million) Compare that to the commission budgets for the Space Shuttle Columbia crash and Clinton’s Whitewater scandal which were both given $50 million!
Andy why did the Bush Administration wait 411 days to form the 9/11 investigation commission? Compare that to just 6 days for the Titanic, 7 days for JFK, 7 days for the Challenger tragedy, and 9 days for Pearl Harbor. And to top this off, the commission only released 25% of the 11,000 documents requested! (Talk about dragging their feet!)

14. On December 4, 2001 in a Town Hall Meeting in Orange County, President Bush met with displaced workers. Answering Jordan’s question of ‘How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?’ he said "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on." How did Bush see the first plane crash on live T.V. when it wasn’t shown anywhere until September 12? (My guess is he saw it on his closed circuit live camera feed that was already set up to view their operation)

15. Why did put option purchases on United Airlines and American Airlines stock rise above six times the normal levels in the days preceding 9/11? Abundant evidence shows that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on UA, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on AA were bought, compared to only 748 call options. On September 10, the volume of trading in AMR put option contracts increased to 60 times the daily average and almost five times the total of all $30 put options traded before September 10.
In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard who is now Executive Director of the CIA. (You can’t purchase stock, futures, mutual funds or put options without providing your identity! The FBI, CIA and SEC know who made these purchases. Why aren’t they telling anyone else!?)

16. Why were the Bin Laden and Saud families (142 people total) permitted by the FBI and the White House to fly out of the U.S. on private jets on September 13th when all other private flights were still grounded by the FAA? In June of 2004, Tampa Bay International airport verified that this flight indeed took place. And Why did Bush stop all investigations into the Bin Laden family before 9/11? The FBI documents "199-I" (indicating a national security case) show that the FBI was pulled off the trail of Abdullah and Omar bin Laden in 1996 – and reopened Sept.19, 2001, eight days after 9/11.

17. How did they find Mohammed Atta’s and Satam al-Sugami’s passport which magically survived – unscathed – the plane crash, explosion, fire, over 200,000 tons of steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete totaling 1.2 million tons of rubble? Yet they can't locate the flight recorders from either plane? And who "found" them and at what time did they "find" these? This is the real outrageous conspiracy theory! (I have an idea, why doesn't Boeing design a new data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?)

18. Why are none of the hijackers’ names on the official UA and AA airline passenger lists? In fact, there are no Arabic names whatsoever! And how are 6 (of 19) hijackers still alive and well! The Egyptian lawyer Muhammad Atta, father of engineer Muhammad al-Ameer Atta, denied his son's involvement in these operations. In a statement to the London- based al-Sharq al-Awsat daily, Muhammad explained that his son phoned him after the attacks and did not talk about the 9/11 incidents. He expressed his conviction that his son’s identity was kidnapped and believes the Israeli Mossad murdered him a day later.

19. You may ask how and when the bombs were planted in the towers. There were plenty of opportunities to plant bombs with low risk of detection. Here are a few examples:
• Ben Fountain, a 42 year old financial analyst who worked in the South Tower, said the weeks before 9/11 there were numerous unanswered and unusual drills where sections of both the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were evacuated for "security reasons".
• Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably removed from the Twin Towers five days before 9/11
• Scott Forbes, working for Fiduciary Trust in the 97th floor of the South Tower, reported that there was a 36 hour "power down" in the upper half of the South Tower on September 8–9 to complete a "cabling upgrade," where security systems consequently were shut down and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved. They were informed by Port Authority three weeks prior to this.
Yet another coincidence, a Bush-linked company, Stratesec, handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack - United Airlines; Dulles International Airport where AA FL 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself. The President’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in Stratesec, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11.

20. Why were General Richard Myers of the Joint Chief of Staff and Senator Max Cleland in a meeting on September 11th, until after the Pentagon was struck, completely unaware of the attacks? Why did General Montague Winfield, the Director of the NMCC or "war room" located in the Pentagon, request on September 10th that someone stand in for him in the "war room" on September 11th, between 8:30am and 10:30am?

21. On Wednesday September 12th, 2001, Tom Kenney, a spokesman for FEMA’s "National Urban Search and Rescue Team" during an interview on national TV with CBS News anchor Dan Rather, let slip a frightening truth. Mr. Kennedy told Dan Rather, "We were one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night, September 10th, and went right into action on Tuesday morning", September 11th. This was validated by former NY Mayor, Rudy Giuliani when he testified to the 9-11 Commission during the May 18-19, 2004 hearings in NY that FEMA was in fact there the day before for a Project "TRIPOD II" terror drill that was scheduled for 9/12! (What a coincidence!) Yet FEMA denies all of this!

22. Mayor Giuliani in an interview with Peter Jennings on ABC News stated: "We were operating out of there [the Emergency Command Center on the 23rd floor of WTC-7] when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building." What a remarkable statement. There was no publicly available reason to believe that the towers were going to collapse. After all, steel-frame high-rise buildings had never before collapsed because of fire. Yet Giuliani’s statement suggests that he somehow knew - he says he was told by someone - that the towers were going to collapse. (Who told him the towers were about to collapse? How could anyone have known this in advance unless it was a planned demolition?)

23. On October 26, 2001 George Bush signed the misnamed USA PATRIOT Act, which was proposed just five days after 9/11! Just six weeks later this bill was passed! It is IMPOSSIBLE for a bill to be conceived, written, debated, and passed this quickly. You see, they had already written the bill BEFORE 9-11, and needed this disaster to justify its passage. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it. This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it!

24. Did you know that initially the military reported on 9/11 that no fighters were sent up to intercept the hijacked planes until after the Pentagon was hit? Later the same week, the military put out a second story, saying that it had sent up fighters but because the FAA had been late in notifying it about the hijackings, the fighters arrived too late. The 9/11 Commission also reported a third version that the FAA gave the military insufficient warning of the first hijacked airline and no warning of the other hijackings until after they had crashed. (Why did the military change their story three times?)

25. Did you know the District of Columbia Air National Guard website Mission statement was significantly changed immediately after 9/11? The DCANG mission BEFORE 9/11 read:
"To provide combat units in the highest possible state of readiness. We will support the Air Force and other DOD agencies. We will provide operational support to our local communities whenever possible."
The DCANG mission statement AFTER 9/11 reads:
"Capital Guardians, patriotic Americans, supporting and defending the United States of America and the Nation's Capital when directed by the President in order to assure the survival and success of liberty."
The post 9/11 mission now has to be directed by the President in order to do anything. (What a peculiar and coincidental change!?)

26. Did you know that the U.S. financed, armed, and trained Al Qaeda? After Russian troops invaded Afghanistan in 1979, the CIA financed (with billions of dollars), armed, and trained bin Laden and thousands of other Mujahideen rebels. (Reagan called them "freedom fighters") The name "al-Qaeda" as an organization was first used in early 2001, when the U.S. government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence (for the Aug ‘98 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people) and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organization.

27. What about the President’s odd behavior at the elementary school? After hearing about the second plane attack, President Bush sat down with a classroom of second-graders and began a 20-minute pre-planned photo op. Bush's behavior is made even more astounding by the fact that his Secret Service would have had to assume that he was one of the intended targets. One Secret Service agent, seeing the television coverage of the crash of the second airliner into the WTC, reportedly said: "We're out of here." He was obviously overruled. Why wasn’t he immediately whisked out and protected? The terrorists could have targeted the President along with the 200+ people at the school? The Secret Service breached all standard procedures and allowed President Bush to remain at a highly publicized location for 25 minutes after it was known that the nation was under attack!

28. Did you know that there is a remarkable ‘signature" of the 9/11 attacks? They occurred exactly 11 years to the day after President George Bush Senior gave a major address to Congress entitled, "Toward a New World Order". That address was on SEPTEMBER 11, 1990. Precisely 11 years to the day later, American Airlines Flight 11 started the attacks of 9-11-2001 when it slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. The towers, of course, symbolized a huge 11 over the skies of New York. The Pentagon was modeled after the satanic symbol of the pentagram. Another fact about the Pentagon is that its ground-breaking ceremony, and beginning of construction, took place on SEPTEMBER 11th 1941. Of course, 911 has been the emergency phone number in the U.S. since the 1970's. What better way to start an era of a perpetual war, and a perpetual state of emergency, than using a date that was already numerically etched into the minds of people as a number associated with "EMERGENCY"? Numerology and symbolism are very important to the occult, to which many of our leaders belong. And their main goal is a "New World Order", with them in charge. Occultists believe the Number ‘11’ is an important number of the coming Antichrist. God assigns the number ‘11’ to the Antichrist in Daniel 7:7-8.

These are just a few of the hundreds of unanswered questions that the Bush administration doesn’t want you to know. If you simply study the facts, you will see that the official incompetence theory is the real "outrageous theory".
What’s it all for? Power and Money. The truth of 9/11 is difficult for most people to swallow because it takes them down roads they don’t want to go. I’m not paving the road to tyranny; I’m just exposing it! The more you research 9/11, the more you will find the hand of intelligence involved at every single step of this elaborate cover-up.
This truth needs to be exposed before their next attack aimed at furthering their agenda. Knowing the truth will make sense of the chaos America is going through like the lies we’ve been told about the Saddam-9/11 connection and WMD’s, illegal torturing and murders at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, the never-ending Iraq War soon to move to Iran and Syria, the NSA secretly spying on Americans (and getting away with it), the Bird Flu pandemic (soon to be released on America so the feds will enact their martial law/police state), RFID chips that are implanted in your arm (or your child’s) for your own "protection", the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (North American Union) that will take away America's borders, America's money (turned into Amero's) and America's sovereignty, etc. You will also realize why PATRIOT Act I and II were rushed through Congress without being read and how these laws actually take away our rights like:
1st Amendment - Freedom of religion, speech, assembly, and the press.
4th Amendment - Freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures.
5th Amendment - No person to be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
6th Amendment - Right to a speedy public trial by an impartial jury, right to be informed of the facts of the accusation, right to confront witnesses and have the assistance of counsel.
8th Amendment - No excessive bail or cruel and unusual punishment shall be imposed.
14th Amendment - All persons (citizens and noncitizens) within the US are entitled to
due process and the equal protection of the laws.
Where will these global elites/terrorists stop? Hopefully before America’s downfall and impending tyranny.

I close off with a few of my favorite quotes:
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
"Terrorism does not justify the neglect of accepted legal norms. This is how we distinguish ourselves from the terrorists themselves." - Ahron Barak
"…the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." - Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshal, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
"If this were a Dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier... just as long as I'm the Dictator." - George Bush (Dec 18, 2000)
"When the Government fears the People, there is Liberty. When the People fear the Government, there is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
"In the beginning of a change the Patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." - Mark Twain
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

Never chase a lie.

Never chase a lie. Let it alone, and it will run itself to death. - Lyman Beecher

Magic Planes

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Enough with the cartoon planes @ WTC disinfo! When aluminum

planes are flying @ 500 mph, they can easily penetrate a steel & concrete structure.

Plane Debris

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Make believe planes and make believe passengers

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Shame on You

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Shame on you enemy of the USA

Sorry Ronnie, but I'll take an experts advice over an enemy of the USA any day. Watch for yourself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K2VoUN-7RVU
I'm wondering, are you even a citizen of this country?

New Depths

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No enemy of mine

Any person who says another is not patriotic because one defies the goverments words is a drone. I am for one am an Individual and believe 9-11 was an attack by our own goverment. So if you say that I or any one else is unpatriotic because of what we believe then you are the one who is ignorant. I have served this country and still do so I can say without a doubt I serve to protect the constitution not those who are appointed by the people. It is the basis of freedom that has allowed us to challenge 9-11 and that is proof we still have a chance to win. Soon our freedoms will be gone because drones as yourself will be the cause of this. Remember 9-11 as the day the blood line of Freedom was severed.

You'll learn later in this

You'll learn later in this thread that Mr. Wieck doesn't defy the government's word; he supports it. On the contrary, he calls US unpatriotic for asking questions about 911. He is nothing more than a troll; that's why he's getting such a hard time--later on we get a little strange mocking him. He joined this site for the SOLE purpose of disruption.

So, warning in advance, this thread will get weird. Sorry about that. If you want a serious discussion, I'd try this blogger link:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5368

among others--click on the tracker above for more. Oh, an just so it's clear, to respond to a post you hit the reply in the TOP right of that post.

Thanks for visiting 911Blogger.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Loss of Freedom

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the experts

"Sorry Ronnie, but I'll take an experts advice over an enemy of the USA any day. Watch for yourself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K2VoUN-7RVU
I'm wondering, are you even a citizen of this country?"

The problem here is assumption and an unwillingness to think.

1. Experts are definitely people to be regarded. The question is, who are the experts? There exist experts in the mainstream media, and experts in the independent media. However, who is telling the truth, and who is blowing smoke? Those bribed by the monopolistic corporate cartel, including Hearst Corporation, to "agree" with a fable a grade-schooler could see through? Those paid off to cherry-pick and fabricate evidence? How about the experts in the independent media who adamantly disagree with the 'experts' in the media, and present their cases with real evidence? Independent experts who are attacked and ridiculed by the media for actually being true patriots and questioning what happened.

http://www.911research.com/re911/about.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/index.html

I suggest readings by David Icke to get a feel for who's controlling the shots in the world to understand what incredible liars "experts" in the media can be.

Do you need an expert to convince you a plane hit the Pentagon, or can you actually think a bit with your own mind? Of couse, since an expert on television said it, it must be true! Or is it?

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html

Perhaps you need an expert to tell you how to add one plus one.

2. Who are the enemies of the USA? Are they radical Muslims, or are they simply a creation, a fantasy to satisfy your bigotry and a place to direct your prejudiced hatred?

No sir, it is you who should be asked, "are you a citizen of this country?"

Disingenuous Questions Answered Honestly

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experts and liars

Ronald:

Firstly, I aplogize for any invective or insults. I'm simply against pathological liars, especially in positions of power. I have no problem believing the "official" version as long as I see hard evidence, but I've seen nothing but smoke, replete with mass killings both here and overseas. That's what's most disturbing. Unfortunately, to the best of my research and knowledge, no one involved with the planning of the Sept. attacks has been captured or killed, and I have not seen any remote indication that bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks.

"The government and independent researchers-- hundreds of physicists, chemists, metallurgists, structural engineers, seismologists, avionics techs, demolition experts--are telling the truth."

I presume you mean researchers working for official purposes, as opposed to independent researchers challenging the government. Do you feel such because you perhaps want to believe that?

The glaring problem here is that the "official story" was explained out in mere hours _before_ any real analyses were even conducted. I'm a chemical engineer with an advanced degree, and I understand the importance of paying attention to detail and drawing conclusions based on evidence, not the other way around (I'd be fired if I did!). I also understand the importance of not forcing information or fudging data, which seems far too obvious in the case of the atrocity of 9/11.

For example, the collapse of the towers officially was advertised in a matter of hours as a result of the airline impacts. However, no forensic evidence was conducted on the wreckage whatsoever; the wreckage was immediately exported overseas. If there was nothing to hide, why was the wreckage exported so quickly? If investigating a catastrophic building failure, a forensic analysis of the steel is the most basic requirement, yet this aspect was completely sidestepped in the ASCE's report and NIST's building performance report. Steven Jones of BYU is the ONLY individual that conducted any such analysis on an actual sample of the wreckage...of which he found thermite, a substance used in demolition. I'm not saying the cause was necessarily demolition, but a full, unbiased, forecnsic analysis begs additional investigation. Further, I am yet to see any sensible official explanation for the mysterious implosion of WTC7. More attention has been placed on surbuban house fires.

How about all the witnesses and firefighters who heard bombs going off in the buildings, in areas nowhere near the jet impacts? I also note that not a single witness has come forth to justify a commercial airliner hitting either WTC1 or WTC2, but a FoxNews witness claims he observed a jet of a miltary caliber hitting the second tower. The first impact, caught on amateur video, does not reveal a passenger airliner either. Speaking of which, how did "our President" manage to see the first impact, as he eloquently put? After all, it was a "surprise" attack.

Aside, go back and review the video of the South Tower "plane impact" in slow motion. You'll notice the "plane" slices through the tower for tens of feet _before_ any impact explosion is noted. Effects of the impact would have been noted upon immediate contact.

In addition, listen to this interview of the research editor of Popular Mechanics, Davin Coburn, v. Charles Goyette. Coburn couldn't answer the simplest questions. If PM's claims were true, they would have had no problem with that interview.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=009309

"The internet fake "reporters""

This one was right from CNN. If we heard it on CNN, the mouthpiece of the government, it must be true, yea?
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.html

"Show me one of your "independent experts" who hasn't been exposed as a fraud, a charlatan, and a liar. Let's have a name."

Please review the link I sent in my last post. Also, Steven Jones, Ph.D., captured a lot of interest in his brief appearance in the mainstream media, and although I believe his research and ultimately his presence was used more as a tool for the purpose of generating conflict, which the media feeds on, in case you haven't noticed.

Anyway, you miss the point. You're thinking too much inside the box. You aren't grasping the geopolitical structure which runs America (and consequently the world). It's corporations, and slimebag banksters who own the corporations (who are also FUNDING all the atrocious wars). It's about money and power, and they don't care WHO they kill, whether it's some innocent overseas, you, or me. They unscrupulously slander the independent media for the purpose of keeping a story straight and acheiving a horrible and scary agenda. They also invented the mind-numbing term "conspiracy theory" in the 1960s.

Independent, serious researchers have nothing to gain and receive miniscule attention compared to the mass media, so what reason would they have to lie as opposed to not saying anything at all? I've made a lot more scientific sense out of their work than anything the mass media has presented.

"The conspiracy liars probably haven't been "bribed" so much as driven by their intense hatred of America."

Conspiracy liars? Then please explain why ninety percent of those polled on CNN believe there's a cover-up?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cnn_poll2.htm

Finally...if 9/11 was reportedly a surprise, then why was not only no one in Intelligence fired, but a couple heads promoted in light of the terrible death toll? I have seen worse happen over blown plays in professional football games.

Finally, I do recommend the works of David Icke...because literally everything he's predicted since the late 1990s has become reality, from presidents to terrorism to world changes.

Honest Debate?

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the big picture

Hi, Ronald:

I have spent 4 years researching and analyzing this topic in depth, as well as the psychology surrounding such a momentous tragedy. I know immediately when someone or some group is trying to obfuscate an issue. In the case of 911myths.com, I have reviewed it, and even exchanged a couple of friendly notes with Mike, the administrator. He dodges the tough questions, or else presents material that's not particularly sensible. If Mike knows his stuff, why won't he debate more prominent individuals in the alternative media? I find his site to be disinfo, pure and simple, and many of his conclusions are outright laughable or copied from other mainstream sources.

The fact that some scientists verify the official story doesn't mean squat, particularly when they are challenged by other scientists, and then refuse to debate publically. You can get any scientists to say anything you please if you pay them enough, period. Unfortunately, the world operates heavily on bribery and threats at the "higher" levels. I am aware of individuals who have been victimized as such.

My breakdown on Dr. Greening:

1. He conveniently ignores Building 7.
2. He ignores the fact that a photo of the damage in the North Tower clearly indicated people staring out of the hole. Yet this tower collapsed due to extreme heat of burning jet fuel? How did those people survive initially? I happen to have enough respect for my profession and common sense not to believe such nonsense.
3. There is no precedent for the collapse based on the incident. The fire burned for roughly an hour, with most of the "jet fuel" burned up outside the building. However, other steel structures have burned for close to a day's length yet never gave the slightest indication of collapsing.
4. He ignores the molten pools of steel, observed by Peter Tulley (president of Tully Construction of Flushing, New York) and Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., present in BOTH the twin towers and tower 7. He also ignores the fact that virtually _all_ the concrete was completely pulverized.

I'm not even considering the fact that the lack of oxygen in that environment, indicated by the thick black smoldering cloud, could not have allowed for a temperature capable of melting the steel in a manner so that both towers could somehow collapse symmetrically and completely.

So why should I even consider this paid-off shill? I don't need his paper to draw my conclusions. Perhaps if he debates Dr. Steven Jones publically, I'll take note, but I won't hold my breath.

"Goyette refused to grasp, or feigned not grasping, the point made in the PM book that the Philips LTC 1261 security cameras installed at the Pentagon were set at a shutter-speed too slow to capture the image of an object moving over 700-feet per second."

So what? This is an example of deliberate obfuscation using an irrelevant, suspect technicality. Let's say the camera was unable to accurately capture the flight on video. What about the other video cameras; surely at least one of them would catch a huge jumbo jet on film? After all, the Pentagon is the most heavily guarded military complex in the country. Goyette was simply looking for proof questioned the fact that no other video evidence was provided. I would have done the same thing. Perhaps if PM was more prepared, they wouldn't have struggled so badly. I am experienced with giving presentations, and it's a cinch to tell that those who perform the best are those most prepared, and vice-versa.

Flashback: The first scenario of this nature occurred in 1995 in Oklahoma City, with mutiple bombs wired into the Murriah Federal Building. Videos from 12 cameras were confiscated, with not a single one ever released to the public. History repeats itself, it certainly seems.

"He kept demanding to see something that Coburn tried vainly to explain would be impossible to show."

Actually, Coburn asserted something that he couldn't justify. PM allegedly represent the "experts" here. If they're going to claim something, they better back it up with evidence. Impasse.

Let me reiterate that if I responded like Coburn in front of my boss, I'd be heading to the unemployment office the next day. Of course Coburn gets a free pass, and PM cancels all future interviews with alternative media. What is wrong with this picture?

It was also disturbing to note that Coburn outrageously claimed "DNA evidence all over the place" in regards to the hijackers remains during a call. I suppose he misspoke as well?

"Your point about the plane slicing into the WTC escapes me. Surely you are not succumbing the "no-planes" insanity?"

It's no more "insane" than believing a couple dozen Arab schmucks barely capable of driving automobiles managed to somehow defeat a multi-trillion dollar intelligence apparatus by flying jets with military precision into targets hundreds of miles away. Anyway, why is it "insanity"? What is the obsession with this term? Do you even know the definition? I am perfectly capable of seeing things with my own eyes and draw unbiased conclusions. If I'm wrong, does that make me insane? If I rationize something differently than someone else, does that makes me insane? How about the 90% polled on CNN who believe a cover-up has taken place? Are they insane as well? Personally, I feel anyone who believes and does everything our government says is a dumb sheep!

Anyhow, watch the video in slow motion and see for yourself. It's pretty interesting, but you're entitled to your conclusion. I have done enough in-depth research to convince me that AA flights 11 and 77 never _existed_.

Let's talk about those brilliant hijackers now. So brilliant! They take off in a 757 from an airport in D.C. to hijack the jet and hit a target in D.C. So would it make more sense to:
1. Take over the jet immediately so as to not attract NORAD's attention, or...
2. Wait until the jet is halfway across the country before taking over, giving NORAD ample time to register the flight off-course and send in an interception team? Of course that would have happened had they not been given stand-down orders!

"Incidentally, seismic data gathered by the Lamont-Doherty laboratories demonstrate convincingly that no explosives were used to bring down any buildings"

That's pure conjecture. I've read reports that tell otherwise. So who's correct? I don't need seismic reports to recognize a professional implosion, and paid-off 'experts' will say anything.

"Why would a reasonable-sounding person such as yourself repeat the silly canard about Bush "seeing" the first plane hit the WTC?"

Er...because he _did_?

"The possibilities are that Bush misspoke or that he saw something that was impossible for him to see. "

Or perhaps the slimeball saw it on closed circuit TV...

But really, if individuals like Bush, Silverstein, and Coburn misspeak, or say something that could be ascertained as incriminating or moronic, they're exonerated and construed to be a victim of a terrible misunderstanding. That's great. Can you name the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights and explain what they mean?

I suppose the terrible worm virus, released the same day of the attacks that no one talks about anymore, was also pure coincidence? It really clobbered my company at the time.

Well, thanks for the discussion, Ronald...I have other matters to attend to now. Even if we disagree on these topics, it's nonetheless important that we respect what each other believes. I firmly believe that the incidents concerning this tragedy were designed to keep us citizens divided, focusing on the events rather than the big picture. I am trying to understand the big picture, and to me, "9/11" represents the biggest snow-job in the history of the world in context of a much bigger agenda. If I'm right, I'm prepared. If I'm wrong, I'm relieved.

Bad Effort

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oh that's just u2r2h...

oh that's just u2r2h... they serve the same master you do...

Contact

Hmmm...maybe someone ought to contact Lisa on that? From someone who has spent years tracing family trees, I would be very upset if my 'deceased' husbands name was not part of our history...in marriage and in death. There is a Todd Beamer listed who died in '97. Any relation?

families

Just noticed that the family members of Jeremy Glick and LeRoy Homer (both on FL 93) think it is an inside job and have spoken out on this. Glicks son was attacked on O'Really a while back. Is there a list somewhere of 9/11 families that support truth? They need to speak before the new congress.

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/oreillyglick.htm (O'Really attacks Glick's son)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1019-01.htm (Homer's widow speaks out on government involvement)

plane crashes

Love the picture of the plane that hit a mountain in the Andes. Puts it all in perspective, doesn't it?

...steel & concrete structure...

And glass. The windows of the tower are never mentioned by cgihuggers. About what? 30%, 40% of the towers exterior wall were glass. That's where your aluminum planes has enter. The floor deck and engines blew up some steel column, otherwise, rest of the planes went through windows. Just my 2¢.

I can also then ask you what flew through 3 RINGS of the

Pentagon, by your own reasoning. Why is it that planes can't penetrate the towers, but they can demolish the Pentagon?

Good question anon

Maybe Mark can respond to that one. Oh sorry Ronald is taking this case.

Does Anybody Ever Read Anything?

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yeah dozens of tons at hundreds of miles an hour

that is super hard to figure out how that worked!

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon!!!

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haha

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Just listen to a US General,

Just listen to a US General, an expert on identifying objects in photographs.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K2VoUN-7RVU

Facts Matter

You're right Captain,

The 16 foot hole claim has been debunked six ways to Sunday and yet some people still promulgate this nonsense. Indeed, by putting the claim up front and center at no 1 I was immediately turned off from the article as being "evidence". A quick scan of the rest of the article shows it to contain a lot of useful information but the fact that it is coupled with garbage claims nullifies its veracity. Simply put, a lot of claims (no planes/space beams/16 foot holes) are total rubbish. We as a movement need to recognize this and ignore people who actively promote this, even if it seems to help make the case that of government complicity. The facts matter people - there is enough evidence out there of complicity without having to bring garbage claims in. Just the facts ma'm,

Richard