I hit the people with the sex thing, the comedy thing, the scare thing. In forums I play the smart guy, the freshly awakened guy, the instigator. I also do some double agent shill stuff where I act like an idiot and very stupid but support the neo-cons. It all works, everyone has their way.

At first I thought this idea was stupid, but I must admit, It's effective... Keep on being creative man...

 You Info Agent! :D

"I also do some double agent shill stuff where I act like an idiot and very stupid but support the neo-cons"

you mean you act like a neocon advocate to draw criticism against neocons?

"I also do some double agent shill stuff where I act like an idiot and very stupid but support the neo-cons."

That can all be fun in a good cause--believe me-I know--but just remember: "don't shit where you eat". Never do this on forums or blogs with people who trust you and are your actual allies. It is only a matter of time before the "James Bond spookyness" catches up to you, and, as John Albanese learned, rebuilding trust is a bitch.

Otherwise, go forth, padawan--confuse, annoy--then destroy!

what did Albanese do? I haven't been here long...

since i am one of the very few people here who uses his own name i came under attack at one point when i started playing devils advocate and started questioning some of the assumtions people had.

i always enjoy lively debate - and as a film maker i also sometimes wear the journalism hat and ask very provacative questions. this upsets some people.

at one point a poster started very publicly accusing me of being a "shill" and and "agent." I was accused of knowingly lying - simply for presenting aternative theories.

not wanting my name to be associated with these sorts of accusations i began posting anonymously. well, this made things worse in that it was viewed as further dishonesty.

and then suddenly ANYONE who posted anonymously was me. John Albanese was everywhere!! someone actually started using the same spelling error i used i believe to further bait this nonsense.

I let all this just roll off my back. last weekend i showed my film and spoke at Boston college with Dr. Robert Bowman, and received a standing ovation. it does appear that my work speaks for itself.

i'm going to just continue doing what i do, and let the chips fall where they may. if someone wants to call me a shill or an agent they should probably look in the mirror and ask themselves what this says about their own credibility.

I admire your bravery John...

I also found the way you dealt with the recent "disinfo" onslaught to be superb and look forward to ya new documentary "Disinfo in the Info age".

This will prove very valuable to newcomers !!!

Good on ya.

Merry New Year (as Eddie Murphy would say)

because I think that John Albanese has rebuilt a good measure of trust and he does great work as a filmmaker, but that is not the full story. I personally feel that posting under more than one identity here is not ethical, but moreover, it was the behavior of the anonymous persona that triggered the criticism. Otherwise, it probably wouldn't even have been noticed.

Oh no!... you mean that targeting some undersexxxed perverts id bad for the movement?

I say target these people... It's about time that they realize the true power if the internet.... because it's far more than T & A.

It's powerful.... it's the key to bringing people together.... essential for the spread of knowledge.... paramount for communication and human evolution.

We want to piss people off..... that's what brouight me to this movement.... I was pissed.... I was tired of listening to music.... one day I went to the internet to find some different talk radio show.... all I had was Rush and I knew he was a liar and a hypocrite.... I went to shoutcast.... and went to the top of the list... I clicked on numero uno and it was Alex Jones.... I got in just as the show started...

With-in five minutes they were talking about 9/11.... with-in ten minutes I was pissed..... four months later.... I was informed and awake.... Wide AWAKE!!
that was three years ago

Now I think about how many people are going to find their way to Alex Jones the way that I did.... guessing not many.... three years have passed and since then I have seen much much more on the subject... we are getting more play..... but there are still people who if they are not playing video games and missing out on life.... then they are surfing the naughty sites and playing something else.

We are just bringing the message in any way we can..... whatever means possible......

ALLS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR...... and this movement encompasses both

I have to disagree man, this is tricking people first of all, and with it being sex it just puts an extra weird dimension on it, people are going to click on this and end up thinking that 9/11 Truth is some kind of creepy dishonest shit, and not want anything to do with it.

We need to be honest, let people know what they’re getting and stay true to that. Begin upfront and genuine is far more affective then being deceitful and in this context sleazy. Again, bad idea in my opinion.

You act like this is trying to target Sally Homemaker or Pastor John.

This movement is not holier than thou.

We are not trying to corrupt the minds of the people.

How do think this will play out?

All the perverts who watched this and instead of feeling informed feel ripped off by us using sex to get them an important message.... so they form a coalition against using sex for promotion of information... and they start slandering the 9/11 Truth Movement

They start having protests.... I can see it now

"My fellow Americans... We are gathering here today in the name of unadulterated PORNOGRAPHY!!!"....*cheers*

"As you well know, there are groups out there....such as the 9/11 Truth Movement..... who have been luring perverts like us to messages hidden behind the guise of naked boobies..... and we are TIRED of these misrepresentations!"

"When we click on a film and we expect to see the gratuitous exploitation of the human form...especially that of a celebrity.... THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE!!!"

"So to all of you I say.... stand with me in not listening to TRUTH!... and let us focus our attention with our right and or left hands on that which we can.......
or can not touch with our right or left hands.
Rise Up .... and down.... and together lets beat these Video Misdirectors off!" ....*standing ovation*

Sorry.... got carried away... but it was fun

No, it's got nothing to do with being "holier than thou" it's about not deceiving people first of all, getting something you didn’t ask for is going to make anyone think "what the f*ck", and not appreciate the little "surprise". Secondly mixing sex with this subject is just weird, yea I'm sure it will catch a lot of people's attention but it's a negative. This will not help, it will harm in my opinion. I don't want to say anymore about this shit, but I will say we need to focus on being honest and genuine in the approach of getting the word out etc, this is neither even if the intent is a good one.

This has nothing to do with any kind of puritanical anti-porn thing -- quite the contrary, in fact. It's funny that you refer to people looking for this stuff as "perverts." Surely you realize that all sorts of people look at porn on the net and it has nothing to do with being perverted. So do we want to "reach" this audience through false advertising? I don't think so.

I have not had a good laugh like that in a while...Thanks

So true...so true

I agree with Styles. I have not watched the subject videos but judging from the Lucas's post, he employes some of the same deceptive tactics as the Brotherhood fo Darkness. I thought we were supposed to be about Truth, truth in our content and truth in our strategies of exposing this corruption.

There may be some value in learning how the evil people think, but that does not mean we have to use the same evil tactics.

Blessings from Dachsie in Austin.

....same tactics?....

The high-perps are mass-murdering torturers to ensure their war-profiteering.

Lucas is mildly, momentarily tricking people into being exposed to the truth in an effort restore our country and our freedoms.

In this case, the ends DO justify the means.

I've seen more explicit visuals on Saturday Morning Cartoons.... better unplug your TV's and stop going to the movies..... and you best not be gossiping about Hollywood Movie stars..

Go back to reading your bible

FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE?

We have to or else we go into this with a handicap.

I study propaganda and know what I am talking about.

You stay you study propaganda, so do you realise that your making us all look like retards?

who is making themself look like a retard...

Just look at your choice of profanity..

The proof is in the pudding buddy!

Tell me where there is an sleezy in these videos