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Myths about Jim Fetzer

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This is an e-mail sent out by Jim Fetzer to all members of scholars for 9/11 truth:

All,

Some falsehoods that are being marketed as facts:

1. That I kicked Morgan and Judy out of Scholars.

False. They resigned over differences about the
significance of Steve's work, which I defended.

2. That I am dictating the membership of boards.

False. I offered several proposals for discussion.
And, after giving this matter further thought, I
am open to receive nominations from members.

3. That I am trying to control the society.

False. I offered Steve the journal and the forum
as part of what I hoped would be an amicable split
and I want to create a board of directors to whom
responsibility for the society can be assigned.

4. That I have endorsed "space beams" and "no planes".

False. I have only endorsed investigating them. I
think that issues like these, no matter how controversial,
have to be resolved scientifically with logic and evidence.

5. That I kicked Steve out of Scholars.

False. When he resigned, I told him to take 48 hours
and think it over in case he wanted to reconsider.

6. That I want to minimize his research.

False. I have invited him on my radio program,
encouraged him to speak in Washington, and invited
him to chair a panel at the conference in Madison.

7. That I think we should focus on exotic explanations.

False. I believe activists should emphasize disproofs
of the official account, while acknowledging that we
are also trying to figure out how it was done, a far
messier, complicated, and contentious enterprise.

It would be nice if "scholars" could get things right.

James Fetzer
Chair
Scholars for 9/11 Truth

I would like to draw particular attention to his 4th statement. Why has this movement all of a sudden attacked Fetzer because he simply "endorsed investigating" these alternative theories? Somehow this entire movement seemed to dismiss Fetzer almost overnight. Why did this happen? Please realize that this is a deliberate attempt to split this movement. Please support both Fetzer and Jones and stop allowing yourselves to be manipulated by elements within this "Truth Movement". Many of you truthers are very quick to label Fetzer as a crazy nut case. But come on people. you know jim. he's been there almost since the beginning. you know he's not crazy. you're being manipulated into thinking that Jim's gone off the deep end, when all he is doing is saying that his mind is open to alternative explanations. Propaganda techniques have been used to discredit Fetzer by manipulating and simplifying what he has said. The real question with respect to Fetzer and his openness to investigate these theories, is: how and why was this issue used to split the movement and who was responsible for this?

Uncle Fetzer is heavy...

tie yourself to him and he'll pull you down. He tried to sink the movement by pretending to consider seriously the obviously bogus work of Judy Jetson and Morgan Reynolds Wrap.

I don't see the purpose of trying to convince people he's legit, when he is so obviously trying to destroy the movement in utero.

How stupid do these people think we are? This is not a movement of idiots--it's a movement of people who know better than to believe BS like the OCT or Fetzer's alternative conspiracy theories. Here's a tip to the shills--if you're counting on defeating the truth movement with tactics aimed at morons, you may as well pack you prison clothes now.

Your allies are the idiots who will never let go of the official BS. Truthers, on the other hand, are here because we see through crap like yours. I know you don't really have much room to maneuver here, and a bad plan is better than no plan, but don't insult us. TRY HARDER!! Or better yet, turn yourselves in and beg for clemency.

And to the Fetzers of the world who may still be lurking in the movement waiting for a chance to derail it, think very carefully before taking a path from which there is no return.

____

Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

What's with the threats?

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and as an anonymous poster

you have no credibility with anyone to start with. what exactly is your point?

____

Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

If you don't care about your credibility, fine

As a non-anonymous poster who is trying to convince people of a certain point of view, you should be concerned about your credibility. Threats do not help your case, at all.

Excuse me?

"But come on people. you know jim. he's been there almost since the beginning."

Been where? A part of the 9/11 Truth Movement? I think not.



"I think that we have to look at these alternative groups and these alternative people who are continuing to make films and bring their research to the public."

Sally Regenhard - 9/11 Family Member

Obviously this poster has

Obviously this poster has only been around about a year.

Fetzer hasn't been in since 'the beginning', he came in about a year ago and just spouted what he heard from others. Whether good information or junk.

I'm not going to diss the guy, but it is time to move on. Let Fetzer do his thing and be judged for his actions, no need for staying focused on this drama.

truth911.net what is this

truth911.net what is this man? Are you for real? Fetzer is an asshole.

The 9/11 Criminals win when.....

....we endlessly debate the "how" of 9/11....all this debate of "how" serves as a Delay Tactic....the longer they can keep us on "what hit the Pentagon", etc., the more time passes and fewer people really care about what happened that day...

Just like with JFK....the truth will come out, but only after almost everyone involved has made their money off the policy changes that resulted, or is dead. And, then it will be distant past for most Americans. "Yeah, there was a conspiracy, but how does that affect me in 20_ _?"

We need to get past debateing the details of how this massive crime was committed. Since "we are on the outside looking in", we will never know everything about all the details involved....That is why questions like "well, if a missle hit the Pentagon, where are all the passengers?", need to be largely ignored...

Overall, there is so much evidence of government complicity and cover-up, that these details don't matter....we need to be focusing on what we can do now that we know 9/11 was an Inside Job...what individual and group activism actions we can take?.... I've recently noticed a change in tone and focus at our local 9/11 events...going from "how & who" did 9/11 to "why" and "what do we do now?" There is a real hunger out there to channel this new awareness into justice and change.

We will continue to add to our ranks and should keep up our efforts on that. But we also have to go to the next level and start thinking more intensely about how we can both effect real societal reform and achieve criminal prosecution resulting from the Crimes of 9/11, while it is fresh in everyone's minds.

This is a sound position, reasonably argued

I support further inquiry, but what you are saying makes a lot of sense. Most importantly, you are not attacking people who support further inquiry, but are proposing a more effective course of action. Thank you.

The guy who does false flag

The guy who does false flag news did a great show rejecting Fetzer and all the other assclowns, check it out;

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Dan/0612/20061208_Fri_Dan.mp3

"assclowns"

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DBLS is a dumb bleep.

He obviously doesn't care about anything except his own ignorant beliefs.

In fact, I'm going to come out and actually say that it's possible that he's a genuine disinfo agent. When topics such as TV-Fakery and Star Wars Beam Weapons come out, he does nothing but discourage others from even considering it. He does this by making people feel silly about even thinking of investigating it. Genuine disinfo tactic.

As I have stated before, I

As I have stated before, I support Dr. Fetzer. I gave my reasons and thankfully this article to which I am reponding states those reasons again very clearly.

I agree with another poster here who wants to just move on to real action with our full knowledge that the official story is false. I likewise am not focused on what did actually happen because I do not believe we will ever know that.

Science demands that ALL ideas be investigated. Dr. Fetzer said the "explanandum" means a defining of all of the evidence that needs to be scienfically explained. There is a whole whole lot of evidence that is not explained by thermite and thermate. The problem is even though the new idea of some kind of directed energy weapons being used for PART of the destruction is an idea that, I do not think, can ever be a true scietific hypothesis because an hypothesis requires testing, and in this case it is unlikely that a directed energy weapon could be obtained and employed in such a test, much less could it be determined exactly at what frequency and just how to use the weapon for the test. As for the alternative idea of mini-nukes, there are studies showing a starkly increased cancer rate in the Manhattan area. That is strong evidence of nuclear exposure.

Let Dr. Jones go his way. Let the Scholars go their way. Both entities apparently intent to be moving toward trying to determine what did actually happen on 9-11. Neither entify apparently wants to move vigorously toward criminal and civil litigation and prosecution right now, and that is what I am mainly interested in.

The Scholars for 911 Truth showed us and proved to us beyond a shadow of a doubt that the official story is false. What a wonderful gift. I will always be supportive of them and thankful to them for doing that.

If you have listened and read what Dr. Fetzer has said, and I have, you realize that he has always tried to be fair and balanced, not like some posters on this board and some others in the public arena.

Blessings from Dachsie in Austin.

How is it that this reasonable comment

gets negative ratings, while abusive, intellectually vacuous comments like that of Dem Bruce Lee Styles are rated positively?

Join the club, mate. I have

Join the club, mate.

I have been called on this site a 'patsy' . 'plant' and a 'black-hearted 'devil' by posters who are much respected and lauded. One fellow who calls himself imgstacke decided that I was a War Criminal.
I had sarcastic comments about the fact that I have had early-onset Parkinson's for over ten years, which makes typing difficult at times, and has ended my career as a professional pianist. I have been told by the redoutable Real Truthe that I contribute nothing to the site despite having been the subject of a blog by George Washington,

Why? Because I said what most intelligent Truthers , including the makers of 911 Mysteries, are saying about the posssibility of Directed Energy Weapons having been used at the WTC.

I am not going to debate that subject any more, just telling you my story.

Agreed: let's have civility

Agreed: let's have civility

I think you may have a point here. Name calling is not going to get us anywhere. It's fine to disagree as long as we do it in a civil manner.

p.s.
I liked your work on Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of our Republic. I'm also a composer.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Thank you.

Thank you.

enough already

Enough of it already, Fetzer is history as far the Truth Movement is concerned

Now let's get back to business

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Amen to that. I've already

Amen to that. I've already deleted my bookmark to 'scholars' and will no longer tune in to his show on RBN. The guy's critical thinking skills and judgment are sorely lacking. See you Jim - we now know who you are.

Myth #7: That people give a

Myth #7: That people give a damn about Fetzer or what he does anymore.

Cowardly

I understand why you would wish to write anonymously. If you are going to make a cheap comment like that, at least write your name. Or daren't you do so?

It is TRAGIC that we are allowing ourselves to be divided here. How pathetic and weak we are! Fine tear into fellow truthers with whose views you yourself disagree, you just fail to see that you weaken yourself!

Perhaps it really is true that people get the governments they *deserve*.

For my own part, the only thing that matters is that we do not accept the official version of events, and demand consequently a new independent inquiry.

As for the "space beams", yes I think that is a little bit far fetched, but it deserves investigation like everything else. And regardless of whether the burnt cars were towed away from the WTC Site, the way some of them burnt is odd to say the least.

I think it's crazy for

I think it's crazy for everyone to attack Fetzer just because he's open to investigating an alternative theory. Does this means that anyone who wants to investigate something new will be outed from the movement? I'm sick and tired of these attacks on fellow truthers. I hate this fucken censorship on 9/11 blogger. when someone gets negative ratings or has their comment censored, i make sure to read it.

do you guys really think it's beyond the realm of possibility that something other than C4 and thermite was used? isn't it possible that something else was used also?

You cocksuckers think you know all the answers. I'm saying, that i don't have all the answers, i don't know exactly what happened on that day. And if someone wants to investiate something, all the power too them. People should be free to research whatever they want without being attacked and censored. I thought scholars had academic freedom? I guess not eh?

Rejecting Theories when the Evidence Contradicts

No one is debating whether or not it's right or wrong to consider alternate theories. Everyone who is here is doing that right now when they object to the official theories.

We are debating whether or not it is correct to advance theories which are easily debunked by overwhelming evidence and common sense.

Scientific Method: When evidence contradicts a theory it must be rejected.

End of story. Some are forgetting the rejection part. They want to cling to their theories like they are their children. It's not science, and it's not even common sense.

If there are 10 points of evidence to support a conclusion and none to contradict; this is a strong theory.

When one piece of evidence might support a theory and 10 points contradict; it is a bad theory and must be rejected.

Contradictory evidence demands rejection of a theory.

I have a strong suspicion this logic is being ignored by people who want to discredit us by presenting weak and outlandish theories. They want to cause “guilt by association”.

We need to learn how to distinguish credible facts from those that are not.

This is how the battle for the truth is won. They don’t want us to win this war--they want us to lose, and they will do anything to achieve this victory. We saw this on 9/11 when they considered 3000 people expendable.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Kevin Barrett : I support research on exotic weapons

Kevin Barrett on Directed Energy Weapons aka "Space Beams"

"I would urge people to go take a look at this material".

''I think we don't really need any kind of unanimity from researchers''

''I don't think this is doing any permanent harm to the 9/11 movement ''

''I think people who are blowing it up into something really huge are either sort of panicking or just making a tactical mistake''

''...people who are really sort of allergic to the idea that some kind of unconventional technology might have been used. ''

''[the perpetrators] would have taken advantage of the most advancement technologies of deception and demolition, and in fact they would have arranged it in such a way that anyone who figured out exactly what happened and described it accurately would sound completely insane''

''So, I wouldn't rule out anything and I think we need to allow researchers to pursue their own path,''

''we need to criticize each other in a hopefully amicable manner''

Thank you, Kevin Barrett, for your support.

Andrew Lowe Watson, 911 Truth campaigner

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"He is not taken seriously

"He is not taken seriously in the scientific community for his involvement with ColdFusion."

I hope your not confusing Prof. Jones work in muon catalyzed fusion with those hacks at the University of Utah, Pons and Fleishmann?

physicsweb.org : Whatever happened to cold fusion?

"A couple of palladium electrodes in heavy water and any high-school kid could do it, it was said. Pons, in the chemistry department at the University of Utah, and his mentor Martin Fleischmann, of Southampton University in the UK, claimed at the press conference in 1989 that they had fused deuterium nuclei using routine electrochemical techniques on their lab bench. This was a huge claim to make - nuclear fusion had been thought possible only at temperatures in excess of a million degrees, when nuclei could overcome Coulomb repulsion. The only cold fusion that had been detected until then was the kind mediated by muons, seen in accelerator experiments in the 1950s, and then only at minuscule rates."

Jones' work has nothing to do with the approach of Pons and Fleishmann.  Methinks the gremlins are getting past the BS filters...

Did you watch the documentary?

The whole Steve Jones/Jim Fetzer/Judy Wood/Morgan Reynolds implosion seems staged to me. Think about it. You have Steve Jones and his Mormonism /CF involvement, Jim Fetzer and his shotty JFK work, Judy Wood and her SPACEBEAMS, Morgan Reynolds and his cartoon planes "research". This whole thing was by design IMO.

By the way, my BS detector is just fine. You might want to check the batteries in yours, though.

I think you're wrong to include Steven Jones.

I respect your opinion and that's certainly a scenario I've gone over in my mind.

I think all the drama may be a reaction to the fact that Jones is a serious scientist -- and almost the entirety of the scientific establishment has agreed to play dumb on this.

I couldn't care less if he's a Mormon. And no, I haven't watched the documentary yet.

I could also care less if he's a Mormon

But it's a built-in reason for others to not trust or take him seriously as a scientist.

Believe what you want, but I believe he's in on it. I might change my mind down the road, but for now, I don't trust him, or Fetzer, or Wood, or Reynolds.