intelligence agent sitting across from me at a meeting a few weeks ago. This is to be expected and we should just smile, be civil and continue with our lawful activities. We are the ones pursuing mass murderers, after all.

Always keep in mind that this is a true grassroots movement and that by reasonable estimates we now number in the tens of millions. This train will make it to the station.

The very fact that we are decentralized and have so many people and groups working from so many different points of view helps to keep the movement on the path of truth. We are constantly fact checking and self-critiquing. This process will vet all but the most subtle and careful disinfo agents until the very end and then it will be too late for them to do anything about it.

Just as the internet has helped us enormously, it is also being used in a concerted effort to cripple the movement. Just look at what is going on here right now. However, there are simply too many people who now KNOW the government myth is BOGUS for these reactive tactics to work in the long term. Additionally, and most importantly, this movement is grounded in the real world where people talk to their friends, relatives and neighbors and we all know that the real perps were not 19 arab muslims with boxcutters.

Look at the facts, not over your shoulders.

Work for the truth, not against each other.

Keep moving forward, not in circles.

Back to my signs and other projects.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only forward.

Be well.

Avery & crew have gained well-deserved credibility that can only be taken away if they now do things that warrant it. (I don't see that happening.)

here's richard's story... it was on the Meria Heller show, also known as "the transcript"

http://www.911blogger.com/files/audio/MeriaHellerRichardAndrewGrove.mp3

I remember what a big deal people were making when that first came out and how it was so impossible to follow, and his style so bizarre that it didn''t impact the movement much. That is exactly why I asked if you could summarize his thesis, if he has one...

Honest I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just think ideas carry more weight if they are capable of being repeated succinctly! :)

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directly & concisely. His long-winded, verbose style is very tedious to listen to, IMO. (Grove's info does seem legit, so far.)

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Basicly, it goes like this,
In the year 2000 his software company is hired by Marsh/Mclennon to write a program that allows for paperless transactions between Marsh/McLennon
and AIG insurance.
Marsh/McLennen is the biggest insurance broker and AIG is the biggest insurance company
The goal of the project is to make transactions between these two firms paperless and unreadable by anyone not on the sytems mainframe using this new software. This involved actually building a mainframe in the towers in the offices of Marsh.
The completion date set for this project was Sept 2001.
At this point there are some facts that should be pointed out to give some context...
#1 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 and it hit EXACTLY where the Marsh offices were located.
#2 Paul Bremer (aka Mr. "well, we got him") was a CEO in Marsh/Mclennon before being picked as Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq. He went on to anounce the capture of Saddam.
#3 After quitting the FBI disgusted with the constant roadblocks into his investigations of Osama Bin Laden
by the Bush administration, John O'Neill takes a job as head of security in the World Trade Center. This job was offered to him by Jerome Hauer of Kroll.
Think about that...the man whon knew the most about Osama is offered a job in a building that is demolished by his arch-nemisis...( comic book stuff imho)
Keep these things in mind as they are important to tying this all together.
Now back to Groves story...
He realizes his company is overbilling Marsh to the tune of millions of dollars. He reports this to his superviser and it is ignored. He then reports this to the Marsh superviser and is in turn fired.
Realizing there is either shady accounting going on, or him and his fellow employees are being robbed out of millions in commisions, he decides to tell his team
everything he knows and confront the supervisers with the entire team.
He calls people on the team and learns of a meeting called by the Marsh supervisor and makes arrangements to crash the meeting and confront management with what he knows of the overbilling.
The date of this meeting was Sept 11th 2001. And instead of the superviser showing up for the meeting he called, he decides to attend the meeting from the safety of his Manhattan apartment, over a videophone.
It is during this meeting, Marsh offices are destroyed by Flight 11.
Grove sat beneath the tower, stuck in traffic as the plane hit the building.
Now, on the morning of Sept 11th, massive amounts of insider trading took place between Marsh and AIG.
Only problem is, there is no paper trace of the transaction as it is all done on the new system that Groves software company built. No paper, destroy the mainframes and the transaction becomes untrackable.
During the recovery, hard drives are recovered and sent to germany to have the lost data recovered by a company named Convar.
Convar goes public, and tell it has evidence on 40 hard drives of insider trading. Some even going on as the buildings were burning.
The following year, Convar is purchased (along with the hard drives and evidence of insider trading) by none other than Kroll.
The year following that, Kroll is in turn purchased (along with the hard drives and evidence of insider trading) by none other than.....Marsh/McLennen.
So now the very people accused of insider trading
(i.e. robbing people blind) own the only evidence known to exhist that incriminates it.
Think about who these companys are, how these companys interact with each other and who the people are in the companys.
Who is AIG?.....Maurice Greenberg...aka Greenberg/Bush family crime syndicate.
Who is Kroll?....Basicly a CIA front that specializes in "security"
Who is Marsh?...Maurice Greenbergs son Jeffrey Greenberg.
It has long been my opinion that it is no coincidence
Flight 11 hit the Marsh offices. I think, though its only speculation, this was done to ensure the mainframes
and digital data regarding the insider trading were destroyed.
And Im pretty sure no inexperienced pilot could pick out specific floors and offices to ram his plane into.
So either, Marsh was very fortunate to have its offices destroyed on the same day it was doing millions worth of illegal trading, or it blew up its own offices and people involved with building the computer system designed to hide the evidence millions of dolars in illegal trading.
I know which way I'm leaning....

great summary man... well put

for some reason, 911 truth doesn't talk about this too often, we like to talk about thermite that left its finger print on some molten iron that was sent to 1 professor from a memorial site sent in by some woman.

though the scientific arguements for controlled demolition is important, what is more convincing? I personally think that the above story is far more interesting and contains facts that cannot be debunked. those companies bought each other, the plane did slam into all the floors occupied by marsh. look at wikipedia's page. the floors in red were the ones impacted from AA11 or whatever. and it seemed to exactly impact the floors occupied by marsh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center_tenants

anyways, ever since i heard this story and watched Who Killed John Oneill, i've listened to Grove's 9/11 synchronicity pod cast and talked to him about a lot of interesting things

So, you have no problem with the inconsistencies and the speculation, but apparently you cannot find an excuse for them not including 5 - 10 minor, potentially self-damaging facts out of 1000s? Lose the tunnel vision, buddy...

"True enlightenment is attained when one can, at will, see through the illusion of reality." - Me, intoxicated

It is obvious they exist. It is not always obvious who they are. Once you start getting into the accusation game, it encompasses you. You start thinking everyone is disinfo, and you expend energies on things you shouldn't. Therefore, it's best to "accept" that they're here, and continue with your efforts. Incidentally, it's a lot easier to give advice than it is to follow it.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I agree, except it seems clear to me that Reynolds is disinfo.

you only have to extend one degree of separation to identify most of the obvious ones as Reynolds being the origin...  It is also interesting to note who the common enemies for them are.  Who do they attack, who did the infiltrate, what research is being diluted? They serve a function, to discredit, disrupt, delay, distract and deceive.

They have expended a great deal of resources to attack Prof. Jones.  His research must be their greatest threat.  Hell even Bush himself visited with the leaders of Morom Church after they imprisoned one of their enemies. Jones was put on leave less then a week afterwards.

And that is just one COINTELPRO operation...

 They can be helpful in identifying what they fear the most.

the point i was trying to get across, is that people who you identify as "dis-info" ie. the no planers/energy weapons people, are not the ones i'm refering too. i'm talking about the people who are bang on with the current trends of the 9/11 movement. reynolds and wood certainly do not represent the heads of the movement, they don't have a whole lot of influence, they don't appear on TV often or have popular books out. The people i'm talking about are the ones that are hard to identify. those who appear to be on our side. And i agree that they are in fact working for us at the moment. where we have to be careful is that these people do not end up part of the new investigation so that they can protect those truely responsible.

Baiscally 9/11 Truth is a bus that has to make it from Point A (coverup) to Point B (full disclosure and justice.) Not everyone who was on the bus from the beginning, or who gets on along the way, wants the bus to get to point B. Inside the bus all holy hell is breaking loose, disinfo agents are dealt with, and hopefully the bus is driven safely to Point B instead of off a cliff. Different riders have different strategies for ensuring that we either get there or not. Again, the definition of a real truther is someone who is determined to do what it takes to see that the bus gets to its destination, regardless of whether or not they like any of the other passengers. As the bus fills up, the honest and well-informed will hopefully begin to greatly outnumber those who would stop us.

Oh yeah, the ride is free but it's not easy, and could be dangerous. And if we drop below a certain speed, we may well blow up. So keep crankin'out those DVDs! Loose Change, sure. 9/11 Mysteries, right on. Painful Deceptions? Sure! Let's also hope for more and even better ones to continue to be made. As it becomes clear where we're headed, it will be harder to fake being totally on board. Not sayin', you know, just sayin'.

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This is all such a sham!! The government's story must be true! I'm so glad you've come to enlighten me. You've given us our opinion and therefore you must be right. So, let's stop thinking. After all, you promised to think for me.

Repeat after me... Anyone questioning the Official Government Conspiracy Story is evil. Don't listen to them!

Wait (he shakes his head), now what was it you were saying?

Neither 'screaming trolls' a phrase Gerard Holmgren invented , or Wacko Jacko Nico Freako's ™- my own invention - they are not the ones we should be wary of.

It was a joke , Nico love.

To strive, to seek , to find, and not to yield from Ulysses by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Here's an ex-Bush economist who suddenly becomes a leading truther & expert on cartoon planes @ WTC & space beams. Plus, he relentlessly challenges Dr. Steven Jones on physics, even though he has zero experience & training, while Jones is a renowned expert in the field.

Steven Jones is a proven fraud 

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cbbrooklyn morphs into his other personality, killtown, later in these posts.

killtown is reviled over at the loosechange boards, so now he is in exile over at 911blogger posting under two names: killtown and cbbrooklyn.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:S4XrPOChyXUJ:www.heraldextra.com/co...

but have linked to his site due to his excellent work

wonderful work from the New York group