Letter from Kevin Barrett on Fetzer and Space Beams

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Letter from Kevin Barrett on Fetzer and Space Beams

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Submitted by misterguy on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 9:29pm.

I wrote to Kevin Barrett and asked if he was planning on leaving Scholars for 9/11 truth. He wrote back the following. It seems written for public consumption so here it is:

No and yes.
More on this later...meanwhile see, below.
Kevin

As activists, when people ask us "what do you think of X theory about what happened," our answer should always be "well, that theory is no more improbable than the official story, whose probability is zero...but our job is not to prove what happened, but to show that the official story is demonstrably false, and force a new investigation."

The case of st911 is tricky, because it's dedicated to research more than activism. I think researchers have to be willing to allow other researchers to propose hypotheses, no matter how outlandish-sounding. The best response is evidence-based critique, not ad-hominem attack.

Morgan Reynolds, who was himself critiqued way too harshly by Jim Hoffman, seems to have caught the ad-hominem bug in his silly attacks on Steven Jones, which mix legitimate critique with ill-founded invective. I hope Steve can keep his cool and his trademark professional politeness, ignore the misrepresentations, and stick to evidence-based critique of whatever new hypotheses are proposed. So far Steve and David are the two researchers who have best combined lucid research with professional demeanor, and I don't expect that to change any time soon.

Meanwhile I hope to have Steve on the new GCN radio show "The Dynamic Duo" ASAP. I think a case can be made that my co-host on that show and st911 colleague Jim Fetzer is jumping the gun by prematurely hyping the exotic weaponry hypothesis, and I want to argue that activists should focus on the gaping holes in the official story, not exotic weaponry.

Above all, the format for proposed 9/11 debates needs to be a simple pro versus con on the 9/11 Commission Report -- that's the only debate that matters, and it's one we can't possibly lose.

Kevin

P.S. Important caveat: I haven't had time to look at the exotic weapons arguments in enough detail to have an informed opinion of their scientific (as opposed to rhetorical) merits.

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I got the same response...

I replied with...

Personally, I think we should focus on convincing the public that there are MANY unanswered questions. Posed by the families, and the people. To stop trying to answer the questions, and instead, ask them. As a movement. I also think promoting anything that just sounds "crazy" should be avoided. When you say, "I think researchers have to be willing to allow other researchers to propose hypotheses, no matter how outlandish-sounding...", does that mean someone can propose the idea that aliens from space implanted reptilian DNA into our leaders, etc...? And I'm not talking about privately, but publicly... that little "theory" I mentioned sounds just as crazy as the exotic weaponry idea being promoted by Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds, and now Jim Fetzer. It's something the media would eat us alive with. If you are a "leader" of the 9/11 Truth Movement, and by that, I mean someone who is able to get attention, provide information, help people focus on the grassroots level, etc... then I think you have a responsibility to filter out certain information... At least publicly. We have a hard enough time with credibility... we don't need to hand-feed the media ammunition against us...

Anyway... I was just curious about your thoughts. Thanks.

Jon

His response...

You have a point. Superficially, the argument Jim's putting forth does seem a lot more plausible than space reptilians. But that doesn't mean it should be front and center. Like the other "what may have happened theories" it needs to be investigated...but not over-emphasized.

Kevin
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Submitted by Jon Gold on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 12:22am.

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Thank you , Jon Gold

for writing this letter. I agree 100% on this. Very well put into words.

Submitted by em7 on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 5:25am.

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I happen to like Kevin...

A lot, and I was curious about his take on promoting nonsense.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Submitted by Jon Gold on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:59am.

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Where's the proof of concept for thermite?

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 2:44am.

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David?

edit: OK I'm guessing DRG, he wasn't mentioned previously in the letter so it was unclear

Submitted by YT on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 12:48am.

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Short Histoy of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

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A short history of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"

1978-79 - Steven E. Jones begins research at Los Alamos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones

1980 - Jones publishes "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America." The paper suggests no experiments to test the falsifiability of its premise. http://web.archive.org/web/20060114081702/http://www.physics.byu.edu/fac...

1982-93 -- Jones continues (classified?) research at Los Alamos.

June 1988 - Los Alamos publishes paper "Directed energy concepts for strategic defense" http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/dtic/ADA344716.pdf

1991 - Dr. James Fetzer starts researching the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, Jr.; a crime perpetrated networks connected to the crimes of Sept. 11, 2001.

1992-95 - Jones delves into "sonoluminescence" research, a branch of "exotic physics" which involves directing sound energy at target matter until its very state is changed. http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm

1998 - Fetzer publishes his first book on Kennedy assassination. www.assassinationscience.com

9/11 2001 - World Trade Center complex destroyed.

2002 - Independent researchers lock down case for some kind of controlled demolition at WTC.

c. 2003 - Fetzer begins catching on that 9/11 was an inside job www.blackopradio.com

Fall 2005 - Physicist Jones suddenly decides that twin towers did not spontaneously combust, publishes "Why Indeed did the World Trade Towers Collapse?" http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/World-Trade-Center.html

Dec. 2005 - Fetzer founds Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Dec. 2005 - Fetzer invites Jones to join Scholars as co-chair

c. Dec 2005 - Dr. Judy Wood joins Scholars as membership secretary and co-editor of Journal.

Feb. 28 2006 - Wood and student assistant Michael Zebuhr perform experiments disproving certain claims of Jones' "collapse" paper. http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/Aluminum_Glows.html

March 18 2006 - Zebuhr murdered, shot in the head, in downtown Minneapolis. Eyewitness suspect descriptions not released. http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/

c. March 2006 - Wood receives death threat following Zebuhr assassination: "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be." http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam1.html

March 23 & April 3 2006 - Alleged suspects in Zebuhr assassination, Somali immigrants, arrested. Mugshots never released.

April 5 2006 - Police announce wanted vehicle in Zebuhr assassination; vehicle immediately found set ablaze in raging inferno.

Spring 2006 - Police announce that previously disclosed and widely-reported surveillance videos of Zebuhr assassination... never existed.

c.Spring-Summer 2006 - Wood resigns from Scholars, citing frustration with Jones' interference in and delay of processing of membership applications to Scholars. Jones now has virtually total control over all new membership applications to Scholars.

September 2006 - Wood publishes (with Dr. Morgan Reynolds) "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Disintegrate?: A Peer-Review of Steven E. Jones' 9/11 Research" http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/why_indeed.html

Fall 2006 -- Fetzer prevails upon Jones to admit and publicly acknowledge that the WTC towers did not "collapse" but rather disintegrated.

Nov. 13 2006 - Fetzer presentation, "Did Classified Weaponry Destroy the Twin Towers?" lays out evidence, citing Wood, for directed-energy weapons.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=646337772656177512

Nov. 15 2006 - Jones launches attempt at hostile takeover of Scholars on pretext that directed-energy hypothesis is "non-falsifiable." http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/JonesResponse.html

2007 - The future is written by its actors.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 1:39pm.

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BLA BLA BLA Fetzer Nico

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BLA BLA BLA

Fetzer Nico Jones BLA Bla BLA..

perps are laughing.

Ohh, we should be careful..

Jon Albanese Dem WE NEED TO FIGHT.

Nico WE NEED TO FIGHT

perps = pleased

The little egos, know-betters and snobby snots... Why can't you men get a grip on yourselves and concentrate on some work?

Are you men or are you squabbling hens?

Jon, continue your real-world work, without spending a second on Nico, then. Go on a priority diet.

Albanese.. make better films that will stand up in 10 years time. Make two versions of each film, one for the newbies and one for the large-cranium-crew.

Dem, get cracking on some avantgarde music-video-truth-stuff, all is allowed, there is no bad publicity. Go for sexy gurrls making smart statements during heavy breakbeats.

Nico, you have the most work to do.

As I see it, you have 3 tasks. 1) concentrate on presenting your research in perfect, small videos.. 2) Help us out with the german uncompromising angle and try to get some of your bundesnachrichtendienst and militarischer abschirmdienst schlingensief contacts and don't waste so much time on teasing the little, fragile USA egos. All you achieve there is that they get aggressive. Because US americans insist on being armed to the teeth, them being aggressive means the spilling of the guts of children and the mental unhygienic morass of "THE REVENGE OF THE SEPO"
3) develop a web-participation platform with authenticated-users that can rival legal-voting-for-congress. The franchise needs to be expanded into mobile-phone owners. You see one person one vote is legally binding according to the constitution. So, if you'd had an iris scan of someone, the fact that (s)he is unique means that there is indeed a person that has the right to vote. Ever thought about biometrics as an advantage? Or do it by banking, one-vote per bank-account. Anyway.. all machinery is invented to cheat. Von Humboldt did not know about the bastardisation of libertarianism into a free-for-all vulgar capitalism, with mental-fuck-up that this insatiable greed introduces into our minds. Otherwise vH would have insisted on a democratic government that PROTECTS the people against the CHEATING OF PRIVATE PROFITEERS... By now, the US military is probably private, too. Look for the perps there. /rant off

Kevin should be made US president, honestly. Has he got a cool girl-friend, too?

Has anyone recorded Tarpley? RBN mp3 fucked up.

As you all know...

half dozen media conglomerates are sitting on the windpipe of the first amendment words of an insider ...

and therefore EVERYONE (yes, Alba-Nico co-op!) must work HARD to get the USA TV pried open to meaningful discussion.

We'd take anything. We could have a violent shouting match between Jones, Nico, Dem, Fetzer on the Jerry Springer Show at prime time..

with Ronald Reagan as president and Schwarzenegger as Governour, who is going to argue about showbusiness being different from LEGALLY GOVERNING?

It can be argued that showbusiness is a great deal more democratic than the current SECURITY rulership.

Security.. hah! As if we were safe... with *that* many weapons. Whats more ... US americans are so shat in the brain that they really believe that less government is better. Corporations are laughing ... Well, they could be excused, with *that* government.

Worse, the christian view is that IT IS OK TO HASTEN THE END TIME. Bombs away!

Where in the world is a civilian government and a civil society so well informed that could withstand
a prolonged onslaught by the CIA evil forces?

Madagascar maybe? Graeber says so:

http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2006/11/graeber.html

A bit more on 9/11 research:

'space-beam' sounds utterly implausible to some, it actually fits the HAARP model perfectly(blog4447comment) .. which country do you think Tom Scott Gordon has chosen? Haarp = Crop Circles?

ANSWER ME!

Are you men or mice?

Betcha cant do it without attakcing the messenger.

Submitted by u2r2h on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 6:37pm.

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You mindless idiot, what the

You mindless idiot, what the f*ck do you think you were doing spreading "no planes" disinfo here;

http://blog.zmag.org/node/2779

Way to make us all look like morons you professional assclown! You don't speak for me!

Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:04pm.

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f*ck idiot disinfo moron assclown

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wailing and gnashing of teeth

Yep, I won my bet.

Dem BS Style .. he attacked the messenger without hesitation.

f*ck idiot disinfo moron arseclown ... ??

We? Look like morons? Noooo, we all look like we are wonderful, intelligent and well behaved. And thoroughly effective.

Dem BS is dismayed with theories (of the mysteries of 911) that he does not approve of and deems unhelpful in that they could distract uninitiated investigators from wanting justice for the killing of 3000 citizens..

IMHO it doesn't matter one iota whether planes/Noplanes/nukes/thermate/saudiPLaneLoads/negligence or honest mistake about Iraqi WMDs...

The Bush-Junta is guilty of crimes againt humanity and must be put behind bars for life in The Hague.

The world that the Bush-Junta black ops have created for us is exactly the world that the EVANGELICAL rapture christians wish to have.

THE DARK FORCES ... and then, whango... armageddon.

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

In Revelation 16:12 John reveals that the Euphrates River will be dried up so the Kings of the East can advance toward Israel. When the Antichrist takes over rule in Jerusalem, the kings of the East (China and her armies) will advance toward Israel to try and destroy the Antichrist and take over Israel for themselves. The Antichrist will, in effect, gather all the world's armies to fight off this Chinese invasion to Israel, it is when all these armies meet under the pretext of warring against each other that the Lord will return and they will stop fighting each other to fight against the return of the Lord. During this nuclear confrontation a gigantic celestial image of Jesus will flash upon the heavens for all to see...
Jesus will destroy the remaining armies .. and ... this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet ...This last global conflict ... a great thermonuclear and/or chemical war ...

Armageddon begins

Israel will certainly defend itself against the threat of total annihilation by the Orient and empty its own nuclear arsenal on its approaching enemies with the combined might of the Antichrist's armies.

Satan himself will eventually join them in the lake of fire ...

This lake of fire will be a huge place that will accommodate at what some interpreters estimate some 39 billion people since the creation of man who rejected Christ. It will contain all those who refused Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

This lake of fire is also verified in Matthew 13:49,50: "So shall it be at the end of the age (after Armageddon) the angels shall come forth and separate the wicked from among the righteous, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/north7.html
http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/2ndcoming.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=rapture+144000+jewish+virgins+china+israe...

Submitted by u2r2h on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 1:22am.

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>>Morgan Reynolds, who was

>>Morgan Reynolds, who was himself critiqued way too harshly by Jim Hoffman, seems to have caught the ad-hominem bug in his silly attacks on Steven Jones, which mix legitimate critique with ill-founded invective.

Why would Barrett refer to Jim Hoffman here, when Hoffman is nothing like Reynolds? Where does Hoffman ever engage in any of the personal attacks that Reynolds does?

Go ahead, show me the evidence.

Meanwhile, back here in reality, it's pretty obvious that Reynolds & Wood openly engage in personal attacks to try to cover for their efforts to promote things like space weapons and fake planes. Hoffman, instead, sticks to the issues.

Here are a few comments of Reynolds and Woods . . . look for yourself and tell me where Hoffman ever says anything like this of anyone -

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=helping_jones

* "Can a Ph.D. physicist be this retarded?"

* "It is frustrating talking to a non-scientific person like Steven Jones."

* "He presumably is trying to cover his tracks. This is not honest science or research."

* "Jones huffs and puffs"

* "He fails to impress these two Ph.D.s."

I'm sorry, but Ph.D.s who think commercial jets didn't hit the WTC towers are a lot less than impressive! And ones that call science professors "retarded," are even worse.

Submitted by Givemeabreak (not verified) on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 1:56am.

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Steven Jones can't even calculate the fall of a grand piano!

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 4:38am.

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>>I want to argue that

>>I want to argue that activists should focus on the gaping holes in the official story, not exotic weaponry.

>> I think researchers have to be willing to allow other researchers to propose hypotheses, no matter how outlandish-sounding.

So which is it? Allow all manner of outlandishness, no matter the lunacy; or focus on official story gaping holes?

In reality, there's a difference between :

1) making outlandish-sounding proposals and then simply writing a bunch of ad hominem attacks on everyone who disagrees or writing up a bunch of baseless claims (Reynolds and Wood), and,

2) doing real science, which involves testing the evidence of outlandish-sounding proposals, rejecting outlandish proposals which are NOT supported by the evidence while accepting those which are, and all the while, not engaging in personal attacks. (Hoffman & Jones)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 2:04am.

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Letter from Kevin Barrett on Fetzer and Space Beams

I got the same response...

Thank you , Jon Gold

I happen to like Kevin...

Where's the proof of concept for thermite?

David?

Short Histoy of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

BLA BLA BLA Fetzer Nico

You mindless idiot, what the

f*ck idiot disinfo moron assclown

>>Morgan Reynolds, who was

Steven Jones can't even calculate the fall of a grand piano!

>>I want to argue that