Unless the truth movement wants to get laughed out of court some day, you need to quit disbelieving the real threat of Muslim fundamentalism. There is just as much evidence of Muslim involvement on 9/11, as there is of government inside involvement.

Why is this so hard to understand? In case you forgot, the government charted planes after 9/11 to fly members of the bin-Laden family out of the country. This same government also tried to turn over port authorities in America to a Dubai-owned company.

Do you remember Iran-Contra?

The Saudis have huge influence in this country, both politically and economically.

I'm not sure at what point LIHOP and MIHOP meet, in terms of truthful evidence that will stand up in a court of law, but that is what we should be trying to understand, instead of suggesting that Ben Veniste and Condi "rehearsed their confrontation."

the fact remains that 9/11 could NOT have been done solely by "muslim fundamentalists". what is the purpose of the big lie of 9/11? thats easy, its the "war on terror". without the muslim patsies there would be no "war on terror". sure, muslim fundamentalism is real(though grossly overblown) but its also a tool. the primary culprits behind 9/11 are/were NOT muslims. muslims were mere patsies in that attack. the war on terror is a lie just like 9/11 is. i am MUCH more afraid of my own government than i am of some "al qaeda" patsy blowing me up. the "terror threat" needs to be exposed, not appeased. muslim involvement in 9/11? not really, only for cosmetic purposes.

The network created by western intelligence services is the real problem. During the afghan-soviet war western intelligence services, created and installed a system of radicalism and intelligence to support the collapse of the Soviet Union. The question you should have is: When did this cooperation and aide terminated? Did it continue till this day?

The evidence points that it still continues till this day. You have to go back in history and research on the similar systems of support to radical groups all over the globe and you will understand why it is not just Muslims, but the manipulation and deception of these Muslims is what really counts. Who manipulates and create all of these networks are the ones that have to face trial one day.

These systems of deception are not just created to support an ideology of a political empire, but the economic growth of globalize corporations for the empire, they (globalist companies) stand the most to gain from chaos. Lack and monopolies on resources = inflated prices for products that otherwise will be plenty and cheap. Diamonds and oil are just 2 examples.

Go figure why in the last decades there are so many armed insurrections trained and armed by Western services and proxies for these western agencies.

If 9/11 were perfectly conceived by the neocons, with the help of Muslim patsies, as a sanction for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, then you would think the Muslim "patsies" over there would make sure the Western interests succeed in this current war for Iraq. But we are losing over there.

Are Western globalists funding the war to defeat the U.S. and Britain military? Is Rumsfeld working to defeat his own generals?

No doubt there has been Western funding and development of al-Qaeda over the years. Mostly through globalist groups, NWO think tanks, intelligence agencies and secret societies.

Command of the money sources, though, has been shifting away from the West and towards Middle Eastern globalists. The Saudi's, for instance, control incredible assets in the U.S., but they also fund radical Muslim fundamentalism. Go figure.

Islam, as a religion, has a domination world view They are taking over countries in Africa and imposing Islamic law on people, and killing people who do not comply. Sudan is an example.

America is an empire on the decline. We are a huge debtor nation. We are having less and less say in world politics.

There is a world war going on in which Muslims are showing greater strength. They are not mere patsies. They have their own agenda.

Right now, I'm curious to what extent competing interests and agendas may have been at work on 9/11. We just need to follow the evidence and credible witness trail.

The NWO seems to be fragmented. Various agents may work together on one project, then turn around and double cross their backers. It's called TREACHERY. Middle Eastern cultures are known for their treachery. Don't be surprised if the U.S. trained Iraqi Army marches on Israel some day.

What I don't like is when some people in the truth movement try to funnel all evidence into their view that everything that happened on 9/11 was a Cheney controlled inside job. The pre-9/11 evidence shows volumes of evidence showing there was indeed a Muslim controlled threat. You can discount some of it, but not all of it.

Damn, now I've got Alan Parson's Project in my head.

It didn't go perfectly as planned; just good enough for, as the say, government work.

And Islam, as a religon, has no more a domination world view that Christianity. Get thee to a library and read--real books are best--about the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the witchhunts. In fact Christianity was used for centuries as an excuse to exterminate The First Nations and African slave trade. Yet most Christians don't belive any of this rubbish. You'll find the same is true of modern Muslims.

Basically, the Muslim threat, before and after 911, has only been a threat because US intelligence agencies and MI6 ensure they have the means, motive and opportunity to be a threat. I think you're confusing Iraqi insurgents, otherwise known as patriots, with the Muhadjadeem(excuse my spelling), who, yes, may be helping the insurgents out, but are a radical branch of Islam almost entirely created by the CIA.

Basically most of us focus on Cheney, et al. because if you can pull the funding plug, all the CIA groups will be dead in the water.

But thanks for keeping us on our toes. Questions are good.

Now I need a drink.

:The pre-9/11 evidence shows volumes of evidence showing there was indeed a Muslim controlled threat."

I'm not sure I'm reading what you're trying to say here. There is in fact, quite a bit of evidence that suggests that Arabs were involved, who may have been Muslim but possibly not even practicing Muslims.

"Patsy" does not imply as you seem to infer that the person in question is weak or a pushover. It is kind of a "technical" term in this context, referring to individuals who occupy a certain place in a covert op. They are its public face, they are paraded around to make sure they leave a trail of witnesses, and so forth. In the case of 9/11, I am convinced that a group of Arab guys was used as patsies. I don't know what their actual role was, but they were definitely positioned to be the fall guys.

"Islam, as a religion, has a world domination view." Islam, in fact, is different in different cultural contexts. A blanket statement like that is easily read as bigotry. This is a really good time in history to get to know some Muslims personally and learn what THEY believe, as a counterpoint to the anti-Muslim propaganda we're being made to wallow in.

I think we can all agree that there is no intention of "winning", just getting comfortable there. We see 100 dead a day in Iraq and don't even think much about it.

If it was Oklahoma or Maine it'd be horrible?

Every day.

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From what I gathered (from google), Ramazan (or Ramadan) is sept. 24 to oct. 22, IOW we are in the middle of it. Fits with other indicators of a new false flag comming soon.