Interview With Lauro Chavez

Veteran in Central Command Bunker on 9/11 Speaks Out

Interview with former Sgt. Lauro Chavez

Cathy Garger

As an Auxiliary Member of Veterans for 9/11 Truth www.V911T.org I came upon a post on the V911T Yahoo group with regard to veteran Sgt Lauro Chavez. Soon after, a copy of a letter reportedly written by Lauro Chavez was posted on the group’s website: http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php .

Before continuing, it might be helpful to read the details contained in that letter (link above). Below is the transcript of an interview with a man who identified himself as Lauro Chavez. Chavez claims he was in the bunker of the US Air Force Central Command, Mac Dill AFB, Florida, on the morning of September 11, 2001. Lauro Chavez also claims to have served personally under General Tommy Franks.

Intrigued by this veteran’s remarks regarding 9/11, I interviewed Lauro Chavez by phone on September 24. After the interview I attempted to confirm his identity by calling the Public Affairs office of Mac Dill AFB. I was told that although I had the right to know whether or not a certain employee had worked at that base, the computer was unable to bring up former employees’ information. The Mac Dill Public Affairs representative conveyed that although she had worked there during September, 2001, she could not recall hearing of anyone by the name of Lauro Chavez. I asked if this was possible given the number of individuals who serve at the base and she agreed.

On the Info Wars website, however, confirmation of Sgt. Chavez’s military record is posted. With thanks to Alex Jones, this alleged verification of Sgt. Chavez’s military record document appears on the Info Wars website: http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/LChavez_214.pdf

I use the words “reported” and “alleged” as I have no way of knowing if the following information is true. I can state only that the following is a telephone conversation that took place between myself and a gentleman claiming to be Lauro Chavez. While I did my best to write down every word exactly as heard, please know that some repetitive words ( “like” and “ya know”) have been removed.

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There are many theories regarding what happened on 9/11. Mounting physical and scientific evidence increasingly suggest, however, that far too many disturbing anomalies and un-answered questions exist concerning the “official story” told by those in government and by those who served on the 9/11 Commission. My purpose is to provide only the transcription of the interview with a man identifying himself as Lauro Chavez, who claims to have been within the US Air Force Central Command bunker the morning of September 11, 2001.

You, the reader, are invited to draw your own conclusions about both this interview and the story that has been told by the US federal government and the 9/11 Commission.

Cathy Garger September 26, 2006

************************************************************************ INTERVIEW WITH LAURO CHAVEZ (September 24, 2006)

Questions marked by Q, asked by Cathy Garger

Q - What made you want to tell the story now?

Good question. Honestly when 9/11 happened and ah, ya know, we’re standing down there in the middle of this exercise and I was... it kind of scared me, I mean, if you really want to know the honest truth. It was like really troublesome you know, and then I really couldn’t... I didn’t have time to really run through things in my head because, ya know, very soon after I was deployed to Afghanistan and I really ya know, in that situation, I didn’t really think about anything other than, ya know, making sure I came back in one piece. And that was always kind of my philosophy... it’s always been in there, back of my mind. And then when I came back I started to ya know, ask some questions like well like, what’s this deal with the NORAD thing, ya know? How come one of the most sophisticated defense forces in the world could be out-thought and out-gamed by these tattered little guys (laughter) ya know? And I really just never got any questions, never got my questions answered

And I worked right for General Franks, I don’t know if you’re familiar with who Tommy Franks was? He was - I was the only individual allowed to work on his personal communications at his home and in his plane and I’d ask, General Franks, a few times, ya know, when I was over his house, and um, like, ya know: “Sir, what a ya think about all this”? And he’s well, he’s like, ya know, “Just” ... He’s like, ya know, “There are some things that need... that just happen and they need to happen and we don’t know why they happen but...” He gave this really, like, ominous answer and I’m like, Whoa man! Ya know, I wasn’t expecting that.

So I just , I don’t know... it just, it took - I joined the Army because I wanted to be a part of something bigger than me. I think it really it really took it away when I found out that maybe not all this was as it seems and what am I... what am I putting my life on the line for here - my countrymen... or somebody’s money? Ya know, it just, ya know, if my heart’s - not in that then, there’s nothing that - I couldn’t be... I couldn’t be a comrade to these people. I didn’t think along these lines - I wanted to shake them all awake and say, “Hey! What are we doing here, ya know?”

Q - How soon after 9/11 did you go to Afghanistan?

It was about 2 ½ weeks after 9/11 that it happened, the 26th, a couple of weeks, few weeks.

Q - Before that, you hadn’t added it all up exactly?

My really good friend that was a Colonel that I talk about that used to run the Army Corp of Engineers ..... We were down there in the bunker and we were, like, watching it, and we he was making these funny comments But at the time I was, I think I was, ya know, it was just shock and awe just like everybody else. Everybody was just so like, “Oh my god I can’t I can’t believe this is happening!” and nobody could really rationalize what any of these details were back then so it was more like, he was saying these things to me and I’m like, I can’t believe that these planes just blew these buildings, up are you kidding me? I’m really, like, so dead.

What made me want to tell the story? At first I was just wanted to be quiet because I knew something that I probably shouldn’t know and thought, “Man! What would happen if this got out?!” And then, I started, like, run into Alex Jones and get on the Internet. Then I’ve got, like, eight friends at work and we’d sit around and we were like conspiracy theorists because we don’t believe in the mainstream media, and like, I can’t believe this many people that actually think that something was wrong! I figured that everybody else had, like, no idea. So when I started to learn that people are starting to, like, want questions answered and they’re not getting answers and there’s specific reasons they’re not getting answers... and I thought, “Well like maybe its’ time for me to go ahead and tell my story” and, like, then I kind of know something I shouldn’t know....

Q - When you were watching the drills. You said, “Then the plane hit the first tower”. How did you know the plane hit the first tower?

They went right to CNN. Okay, so we have, in the bunker, okay, I also... It’s the funny thing, is because, the op order I saw for the exercise, now we were supporting Vigilant Guardian, which was the exercise that was going on and we weren’t directly involved, but we, from a support standpoint, you know, any deployments to the Middle East or anything that goes on in the Middle East goes through Central Command because that’s where there area of operation lies, the entire Middle East.

So we’re in the skip and you had to have a top secret, you had to have a green badge to get in there, and ya know, I worked there in the network shop, so I was always in and out of there, and so I was in there, like, working in there and I was in there talking with my girlfriend, and I wasn’t, I keep saying, I am not going to say his name...so... but I go in there and well, I go visit with him and he’s just a really interesting guy and there’s a lot of interesting people like, ya know, I got to meet lots of people at that command that were just fascinating... war heroes... so, ya know, the psychological operations guys, we call them psy ops, the ones who figure out all the leaflets, and ya know, how to broadcast music in Iraq to like, get the guys to come out and surrender. And they’re really good at what they do. Well, that’s where I saw the op orders for the exercise that showed the scenarios for the planes crashing into our building which didn’t explain to me, like why they were like, ramping up, ya know? They put big barricades around our building and like, there were sandbag machine gun posts, and there were guys upstairs with rockets. It was very interesting. I was like, Wow, ya know? Especially the classifications exercise is what really like spurred me, like, my questions, like, Why they classify a coded operation above the secret level? I mean yeah, you know, you don’t want everybody to know what we’re doing, but this was like, really, really hush-hush, like this exercise and like, nobody knew, like, and everybody’s asking me, like, Why do we have machine guns on the roof today? I’m like, I don’t know.

But, so, ya know, in the bunker, they’ve got, like, a bunch of, different, ya know, they monitor all kinds of stuff, and they’ve got the guys who monitor live satellite feed over to the Middle East, I mean, you can like, literally watch trucks and people walking around. I mean, like, people have no idea the sophistication of the equipment that we have. I mean they really don’t know. I’m like, Wow! That’s a truck! Holy cow, there’s like, two guys getting out of it! I mean, ya know, this is like, ya know, this is from like thousands of miles away, in Florida, ya know, we’re watching this! So anyways, the screen, the screen is like the part of the North American air space field, ya know, we put like, so we know, like, where all the F16s are, like that particular specific command to joint base, controlled by the Air Force, well the Air Force runs the base, Mac Dill Air Force base, we’ve got Air Force guys there. And then we’ve also got Army Navy and Marines and so the Air Force individuals, ya know, they’re air traffic controllers, they’re like the, the big air traffic controller guys, and they monitor, ya know, all the aero-space exercises that are going on here in the United States. And especially when they’ve got F16s or something out flying, ya know, they want to make sure that they know where they’re at, they’ve got ‘em on the radar, it’s not just us monitoring them, there’s other places like CUKA(?) they’re keeping track of these so, in case we lose one, we’ve got, like confirmations from, like, four different bases that know, “Hey, we actually lost a plane what happened?” Did they have to eject, is the guy alive? So they’ve got this, this big screen, and they show all this plane traffic and they start putting these fake blips on. And we’ve done this tons of times before, ya know, in the Army when you get, like, when you get like a screen and you like assimilate, like, well, this is where the enemies are right here, these red dots simulate the enemies on our front, and these are just like... We’re out on the back yard of our base and playing games, basically, but we, we visualize that there’s a real enemy and they put it on the screen and they show, like , okay, we kill these, these tanks over here, so, ya know, they do these exercises over and over again, these battle tactics and stuff.

So they start putting these blips on the grid showing these enemy aircraft, and then some of them were supposed to be hijacked planes and, you know, that was just very interesting to me and that was one of the things I caught, I mean like well, it would be really easy to put all these fake blips on the screen, because I think it’s Andrews Air Force base reciprocates that grid so the air traffic controllers at, like, ya know, for Washington so that, and New York, so that they know, like what planes commercial inbound and outbound and these are like exercise planes, ya know. They were all aware that we were like doing an exercise, the Air Force was doing a big exercise, or whatever, ya know, which is why these air traffic controllers were like, Is this real world or exercise, I mean, he asked that, ya know, because they, we, have to let them know if we’re gonna fly planes, ya know ,within the city limits or whatever.

So they don’t see these other planes and start calling people and say “Hey, ya know, there’s mysterious planes flyin’ around, You guys doing an exercise?” And ya know, it’s regulation that we let them know if a person’s doing an exercise, especially flying planes over airports and over major cities and stuff like that.

So it was just very interesting to see all these fake blips on the grid and then you crash planes and that way nobody knows, well ,which ones are real and which ones are fake, ya know? Like, cos they’re just on there, and we’ve got over-ride codes and we just put blips on the screen and they’re, we’re pretending that they’re either hijacked planes or they’re Russian MGs, ya know, and they’re headed for Denver and, ya know, whatever, whatever scenario they choose and it was just very ... At that point, it started making sense to me and I thought about that and it was like Wow. That’s a pretty good... that’s a pretty good setup for doing something, is the fact that you hide it in an exercise, where everybody thinks like, ya know, everybody’s like, ya know, “Calm down, NORAD’s, everybody’s like, we’re just doing this big exercise”.... And then, ya know, all of a sudden... planes crash.

Q - Some people are saying no planes hit the towers at all, so what makes you know? Why are you convinced that it did?

I’m not sure that it did. I mean, honestly, I saw the same thing everybody else saw. As soon as it happens, they flip all the big screens to CNN and FOX and ya know, we’re all watching it. At first, everybody’s starts getting this hustle and bustle, and everybody in the Command’s like, ya know, I’m like, in the bunker and I’m like, “What’s goin’ on?” Everybody’s gotten busy all of a sudden, ya know, and it looked like, it looked like NASA guys, ya know, like when Apollo 13 was going to crash? And people start going nuts and they and they flip the screen on, so somebody got a call and was like, “Holy shit, we just got attacked”! And so, then they, they put this on the screen and we’re, like, watching the re-play of the plane, ya know, and I didn’t see the first plane hit the tower.

I saw the second plane hit the tower. I watched it fly into it, but I mean, they they’ve got some pretty.... I’ve heard the theory that it was blue screen technology, and it holographic, and ya know, and I know that the military’s been working on holographic research for a long time. I saw an exercise where they wanted to, like, holographic a giant façade of Allah over Iraq to get the people of Iraq to surrender (laughter).

Q- When a plane crashes you can identify that plane always, even when it crashes and is on fire. And they did not, in any of the four crash sites, found any information that pinpoints the wreckage with any of the particular flights - not 175, 11, 93, or 77. Have you heard of anything?

No, but I know that, I mean ,also when I got out of the military I live in Cincinnati but I worked up in Dayton for Air Force research laboratories and they do all the, they do all the research on the development for space common Air Force, so I’ve seen, I’ve seen, like, all their stealth - the new stealth, that the public doesn’t even know about yet, that they’ve got, ya know. Like, everybody’s heard of UCAV, ya know, the Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, ya know, that flies around. You can drop bombs now, they’ve got a stealth version of that, it looks like a little Dorito, it’s like about the same size as a UCAV it’s got about a 15 foot wing span but it’s all black, it’s like, it’s completely stealth.

And it’s like, got an internal bay for like rockets or bombs or.... I mean it’s, it’s amazing. And I’ve actually seen the working prototype, like, in a lab and they turn the jet boosters on and they, like, play with it, ya know, with the controller and stuff. And honestly, my opinion is that they... Those were drone planes that were flown into the buildings because, that way they could have had internal explosives or something that ignited, that way, there was no wreckage left over, ya know? They were made out of a certain material that normal planes are not made out of .

But ya know, just like the place in Pennsylvania, I mean, I’ve seen pictures and ya know, everybody’s watched Loose Change and I mean, there’s no wreckage, ya know? It’s very bizarre. What? I don’t know. Nobody knows what that is and I mean, that’s the thing. Every other plane crash in history there’s been plane crashes unless they went in the ocean... and sometimes even then, we can find pieces.

I mean, there’s something else going, there’s something going on. I mean, the whole point of it was to shock and awe, I mean it was, like, the catalyst, required to uh, “the new Pearl Harbor”, ya know? It’s what they said in Operation Northwoods, ya know? And I’ve read that document pretty, pretty thoroughly a few times and ... this is very possible.. And then what really makes me mad is that, ya know, well, it don’t guess it makes me mad, but I find it humorous kind of, actually, that Bush gets on, gets on TV and is like, “We had no idea that... Who would have thought that they would’ve used planes?” And I’m like, “You jackass! I’ve been training for this stuff forever! I mean, I know!” He’s the puppet. Really. I think it’s pretty much unanimous that Bush is not running this country. I mean somebody else has to be running it. I mean he does not have the... I mean, he can’t even hold the book the right way when he’s reading to the kids. So... He’s definitely not very intelligent.

Q - Now that you know what you know and you were sent to Afghanistan... Did you still think in your mind that you were trying to get the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Bin Laden?

That’s the thing. I flew into Kabul Airport, like, I mean literally when our C5 came in, we were escorted by jet. We were escorted by F15s and we were getting shot at, like, they were literally, like, pop-shotting up at the planes as we were trying to land because the Special Forces and the Air force para-rescue guys had just, had just cleared it, like, literally like, we were there like, I was there, like, five hours after like, the fire fight where they actually got everybody, like all the Taliban moved back out of the airport so that we could land planes, ya know. So, like, I’m on a, we’re on a big C5 and we’ve got all our vehicles underneath us, and I’m mean, I’m just like, “Oh God, ya know, this thing could fall out of the sky, because it doesn’t ...” I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a C-5 fly, but it looks like it’s not even moving, it’s so big. So it’s really easy to like shoot at, like a machine gun, ya know, and ya know, like, there were bullet holes on the sides of the plane. And of course they didn’t come all the way through, but and we’re all looking at them later and I’m like, “Holy cow, we’re getting shot at!”

But, yeah, I thought we were going to Afghanistan to hunt down Bin Laden. I’m helping in the search to hunt down Bin Laden. No. Not the case. Actually, I actually was providing communications for special ops guys and then I was pulling roving guard, guarding the pipeline.

Q - Guarding the pipeline for oil for United States... corporate, right?

That’s right. A lot of people don’t know about the pipeline. A lot of people, when I talk about that are like, “What are you talking about?” And I’m like, “Dude, there’s a huge... like, the Alaskan pipeline, that comes all the way through Afghanistan, like down in the Gulf, it comes through Pakistan...” I don’t know where all it goes, honestly I haven’t really found a whole lot on it, but... I was, I had to pull shifts, like every two or three days they’d..... I’ve have to pull a six hour rotation, on top of a humvica(?) driving around pieces, these sections of this pipeline to make sure that, ya know, like, guys weren’t going to come blow it up. And ya know, then, that’s when I started thinking, I’m like, I’m like, well, “What am I here for man? I’m not protecting people, I’m protecting oil!” Ya know, who wants to get shot for that? They give you guys awards, ya know, and I’m just like, “For what? Ya know, what did we do? We protected someone’s money. Ya know, somebody’s investment.”

Q - So when you were over there for eight months, right? So did you, during that eight months, figure out 9/11 and that Bin Laden was a fraud and all that? Or did it take you longer than that?

No it took me longer than that. I think, I think, like, most Americans don’t want to believe that. I didn’t want to believe it. Especially since I was part of the system, ya know, at the time? So I really was, ya know, it took at least... When I came back and I moved up here to Ohio and then after I started, like, running it through in my mind, I’m just like, just trying to replay stuff, ya know, it just never really.. None of it really made sense. And that’s when I started doing research on the Internet and I found, ya know, Alex Jones, and they have all this...Then, like, I found, there’s like so many people, that are just like ... the thing is, they’re not unified in any way, ya know? There’s like thirty sites, that I know of, that people are all over the place, I mean, that’s the thing that’s...

There’s a war going on. And it’s a war for people’s consciousness. And the very first thing you’ll hear anybody say when they want to, when they want to be victorious over a people, you know, “You need to divide and conquer,” ya know? We’ve heard that forever, “Divide and conquer, divide and conquer” and that’s exactly what they’ve done. They’ve segregated the people of the United States - and of the world, by race, religion, I mean, by social status, by how much money they make. I mean, everything is meant to keep us from being like a whole. And so, ya know, that’s the thing. That’s the reason why we’re still in the situation that we’re in, because we haven’t got the power, as a unity, to, like figure out what’s going on and to demand the answers, ya know? So, that’s, that’s the thing.

I always think to myself, ya know, like, What can I do? I’ve been asked to go speak at Northern Kentucky University in the next few weeks and I’ll go down there and talk to the people. And I’m speaking to 50 or 60 people, I guess, and I’m going to tell them the story and I’m not telling the people that the government did 9/11. I’m going to tell them that, “You do the research for yourself,” because that’s really only the freedom we have, you know, to speak for ourselves and figure out what’s going on here, ya know?

I know, you know, people are going to, I mean ... first off... I’m a soldier. I’m highly trained. And I have, I can still carry weapons. I’m to the point where, like, I’m not scared. I like, have a bumper sticker that says: “I love my country. It’s the government that scares me.” I trust nobody in uniform at all anymore, I mean none anymore, like, not at all unless they’re like, military, Army guys when I see the guys come back and they’re giving the new badge, I want to let you know the fact that I appreciate that I don’t want to ruin that for them.

Q - I know that a passenger plane did not hit that Pentagon. I would swear to it, because I have studied every picture, ya know?

Yeah, There was definitely not a plane. And I actually got a, I got a verbal confirmation from one of my friends, Sgt. Worthington(?) soldiers, and I asked him if a plane hit the Pentagon? And I called my buddy, I was, like, Jeez. I wanted to make sure he’s okay. And I talked to one of the soldiers and I was, like, “Man, are you guys all right?” and he’s like, “Yeah, we’re fine, “ and I was like, “Where’d the plane hit?” and he’s like, he couldn’t see a plane. And I’m like, “What?” And he said, “Yeah, I can’t talk about it. But I’ll have Sgt. Worthington(?) call ya.”

So you know, then Sgt. Worthington(?) calls me back and we were on a STU phone , we weren’t on a commercial line, we were on a secret STU, which is our classified phone, and uh, he’s like,” I can’t talk about this.” And I’m like, “We’re on a secure line, man,” and he’s like, “I still can’t talk about this.” And I was like, “Okay.” And then he got shipped over to Qatar, in Bahrain, I guess, or wherever, whatever base is over there.

Q - Could it have been a missile?

I think it was probably, I thought it, personally, I thought it would be a cruise missile. They’re the easiest things to fly, um, they are very accurate, very accurate. I mean, you could fly them right through the streets, you know, they’re only like, about twice as big as a snowboard. I mean like, they’re not very big missiles at all and when the wings pop out, you could just guide that thing, you could guide that thing right through an alley. I mean, just the thing that bothered me is the wreckage, ya know? There’s... I mean, there wasn’t enough plane there. An aluminum plane couldn’t have done that much damage to that building, there’d have been no way.

Q - I have read that a commercial jet, or any jet actually, does not vaporize into thin air.

No.

Q - So a plane would still be there, right? Even if it crashed and exploded into flames, right?

Yeah. You can’t incinerate metal. You’d have to have like, significantly high temperatures. It’s ridiculous, like the fact that these, these, these aircraft just disintegrated is... beyond me. There would be pieces of it, even if they fell down in the towers, there would have been wreckage. You know, you would have found big pieces, of it, ya know. There’s no way, I mean, nobody... you can’t vaporize all of it. Some pieces, I mean you could take all the pieces and try to assemble the plane back, but you’d be missing some pieces, obviously, because some of it does obliterate, it’d be so small you couldn’t find it, but not all of it. That’s just... It’s too, too perfect, I mean, that’s the whole problem with this. They made it look... too good, ya know?

When I talk to people I tell them, like you know what? You can have whatever theory you want about what brought the towers down ... Explosives, the planes, the pancake theory, I don’t care, I was like, I want to know: Why did building 7 fall? I want to know where is the plane that hit the Pentagon? You show me those 2 things and I’ll shut up. I will shut up and never talk about it again.

Building 7 - Larry Silverstein - and that’s the thing. They brought all the rest of those buildings down, too. A lot of people don’t know that. He owned the whole complex. And so, they brought it down because it had pretty heavy damage from the towers falling on them, but they could have re-builded [sic] them. From where they were. I mean, the structure was still there. I mean, they were in bad shape but they could have been rebuilt, but when you got a... you got a multi-billion dollar insurance policy, it’s easier just to break everything down and start from scratch.

That’s my thing. Like well, what well, what if the planes did hit the towers? I mean, Well, Silverstein still had to know about it because then he had demolitions bring his building down just as well, it’s like, we lost two, we might as well lose all seven of them. It doesn’t make any sense to me. Especially once I talked to my demolitions friend, I was like, that’s the thing. Okay, well, the buildings were on fire. Building 7 was on fire. Okay, so you expect the American people to believe that you went into a building - on fire - and strategically planned probably one of the most perfectly done controlled demolitions in the entire history - in a matter of hours - in a burning building? That doesn’t happen! That stuff takes like weeks and weeks to plan like the joists have got to be... and the holes have got to be drilled perfectly, in certain places and all wires have got to be run and the timing’s got to be perfect I mean ....there’s too much sophistication that goes behind something like that to believe that it happened in a matter of hours in a burning building.

Q - You had written that you had worked a bit with explosives? So you know you could not take a 47 story building down without great work?

C4, yeah. Oh yeah. Especially for the towers, if it was indeed, it was controlled demolition, that would have been a team of people, I mean it would have taken about 10 or 15, it would have taken a lot of people and in my opinion, a significant amount of time, maybe a month, in and out of there and just so many... I mean if you have seen them take the building apart, you know, I mean, like, show you the steel framing, and how it was built, it was so complex. There was just so many places that explosives...that had to be planted.

Q - So you think it could have take up to a month? It could not have taken a day?

No way. I don’t think they could have done it that day. No way. No way at all, no.

Q - Did you hear the President say the explosives were put in the buildings by a terrorist?

No. I didn’t hear that. Yeah. I figured that would happen eventually. The terrorists got in! [laughter] Most all of our ... Ya know, and what are we paying the military intelligence for? What are we paying the CIA for? This is what you guys job is - You believe like one guy or two guys came in - What? As janitors? Like, what the Fuck?!

A lot of this is common sense stuff. You don’t have to be an intelligent professor. You don’t have to be, you don’t have to know physics. You can look at it and just go, Well, what... Did building 7 fall? It was barely on fire. Well, ya know, people just... I don’t think people want to know. I get that a lot. When people I try to talk to... they don’t care, they don’t want to know, they don’t want to believe that. They would rather believe that everything’s fine, and the government’s our friend, and they’re taking care of us. And it’s totally not... It’s addictive stuff, man. It’s totally not what’s going on.

Q - Back to Afghanistan. You must have, when you were in Afghanistan... Were you exposed to Depleted Uranium?

No, not at all. But they... Anytime we deploy the armor, the armored divisions for the Abrams tanks and the Howitzers over to other countries, they use Depleted Uranium. And it’s not just... A lot of people think well, the DU is just from bomb flashes. No no no no. The DU comes from rounds used in a lot of the tank rounds like the 101s and the 150 millimeters, those guys are the ones that are using the DU rounds, especially the Howitzers...and they can put those things like 8 miles, down range, and like that’s the thing - they do great, I mean, they do what they’re intended to do. The bad thing is... it makes the land almost inhabitable, you know, right in that spot. You can poison water supplies that way...

Iraq’s the same way. I mean, they’ve got junk yards with old tanks and stuff. And these guys are working around it and the rads are off the chart! These guys are, like, walking around with these old tanks, they’re like, selling scrap metal off old tanks from the Gulf War. But, like, when we deploy our tanks’ battalions, the Abrams specifically has depleted uranium rounds that they use and they are sabot depleted uranium so they have like a casing that, that inside, inside the Abrams, they’ve got a holding bay for the rounds. And when you load them into the gun there’s like a real thick, I don’t know if it’s plastic or if it’s porcelain, there’s a casing over the actual DU head. And when it comes out of the barrel it sheds that casing, and then it’s Depleted Uranium, it’s just, like, a spike. And it does... The damage is tremendous. They do their job. I mean, it can... You can kill anything, but you ruin the land, because of the radiation.

Q - Going back now. When you were with NORAD what was your job? [Note: I had meant to say Central Command, which is at Mac Dill AFB]

NORAD is based in, I think, Colorado. But, we were watching one of the screens. It’s like a live, it’s like a live feed. It’s piped in from NORAD and it’s a live feed of the aerospace grid of the United States, so we can, so the air traffic controllers at Central Command could, like, watch planes fly patterns and this kind of stuff, and make sure that nobody went down. And it was a controlled exercise - like most exercises that the military does, it was controlled, so we were...so that wasn’t anything that was bizarre - the fact that they, you know, that because we saw that grid all the time. But my job for Central Command was to provide communications, so I worked in the network shop there and people had computer problems. I’d go out and fix their computer problems, but.. I just wandered around...

Q - So it [his job] actually wasn’t anything to do with the ops, but you happened to see it because you were there?

I happened to go in there, yeah. And of course, the op order was out in the psy ops guys, and I was peeking over the first page of it, you know, it was, like, opened to, a page. You know, I didn’t like take it out and read it. But it was a top secret document, and it was open to like, page 4, and that’s when it was talking about the scenarios for the planes hitting the Pentagon, the White House, Sears tower was one of them, a building in Dallas was one of them, some place in California, I don’t remember, some power station. So that, I mean, the scenarios were proposed on this op order, the document, this operational order they had had. And I looked at it and I was, like, “Wow. That’s crazy!” And then, like, none of that even struck me as peculiar, until like, later, when I’m, like later going, Holy shit! I read that document! I wish I would have stole it. That would have been the greatest thing I’d ever have done, if I had taken that document. ‘Cause then I could have showed that. Like, Hey, Dude, everybody knew! I did see it, though and I was like, Wow, I wished I’d have grabbed that document! You know, I thought about that. But at the time it didn’t, it didn’t even occur to me. I was so busy with the fact that, you know, what else are they going to do? Is this going to be a nuclear war now?

It really did change things. And I don’t think... We’re being spoon-ally [?] conditioned and the people aren’t really aware of what’s going on and just, just logically looking at stuff. I think as long as people have the .... The most depressed people are the ones who have the illusion that they’re free. I think it was Goethe said that one the best. And that’s exactly what it is. Ya know, everybody thinks things are fine and they don’t care.... Until it affects them directly.

But ya know, I think, I think eventually good will come out of this. I think that we will finally remember why we’re Americans and what this country was founded on, ya know? The truths and the beliefs that this country was founded on will come back. But, ya know, in order to get there we’ll have to go through these times that we are in right now. And that’s, that’s what kills me the most, is that these other countries, like, they despise Americans, they hate us. Because we’re represented by our government. And it’s our government that has given us a bad impression, ya know? They are representing the economics of this country, that’s what they’re doing. That’s all it’s about.

By : Cathy Garger
September Tuesday 26th 2006

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Still on the fence about this situation...

"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."

If it's true, it's worthless, if it's false, it's damaging.

Here's the point about this one. If it's true, it's worthless for any practical purpose. If it's not true, it descredits everyone who believes that 911 was an inside job for real, good, credible reason. The only wise thing to do is leave it alone, forget about it, and move on to work on finding other real methods of establishing proof. His word against george bushes is not going to amount to anything.

I still find this "Chavez" a

I still find this "Chavez" a bit suspect, just seems too artificial.

How Funny that Alex Jones

How Funny that Alex Jones spent all show slamming us for questioning this guy. It's an interesting story but bottom line is he has no verifiable evidence by his own admission.

NOW... if the the high-ranking general who RECIEVED the stand down order would come forward and blow the whistle that would be different.

amen this is dead bull in

amen

this is dead bull in the water.

Great job,

Cathy

By the way,

I trust Cathy 100%.

I don't believe this guy.

I don't believe this guy.

Well

I think if I hear "ya know" one more time I think I'll Ya Know, SCREAM!.

But other than that Im inclined to at this point give this person some credence because Alex Jones has vetted him and vouches for him.

A bit of a PS

Thanks, GeorgeWashington, for your vote of confidence. I took a risk. The kid *seemed* real. I'm pretty good at figuring out the fakers. One thing that made me think he very well could be telling the truth is that he didn't try to push anything on me. I tested him on a couple of areas, wanting to see if he was going to try to sway me to believing something I did not already... and he didn't do it.

Yeah, like, ya know, I did eliminate a lot of those. I left a lot in because, well, it seemed dis-ingenuine to play with someone's normal way of speaking. Plus... Honestly? The guy is sharp, but he's not high brow. I wanted to give the reader a feel for the person he appears to be... Not at all like the other intell guys I have known (who are usually very well-spoken). I made a judgment call on him. He also said more personal things... which I kept off the record, but they were things that I have never known a gvmt employee say before (and I know a lot of them, living in the DC area).

My track record is fairly good. I have only been fooled once by someone... but that was a long time ago. My money's on the kid being legit.

But like anything, time will tell.

"Not at all like the other

"Not at all like the other intell guys I have known (who are usually very well-spoken). "

^ He could be honest, but a patsy is also is genuine in that sense, and naive, and that's why they get set up and used etc. For me it’s hard to tell, but something just doesn’t fit right.

You have got to be kidding me

I can't believe even conspiracy theorists are stupid enough to believe this stuff. We did not take over the Kabul airport in September 2001, there is no pipeline running through Afghanistan, and there certainly wasn't one there in 2001, and this guy has never been deployed outside of the United States. The DD-214 which he posted even says so!

Hint: Look under the line which says "foreign service".

Life's not always that clear, sir

1. Conspiracy theorists can not be lumped together and ranked together on a linear scale of intelligence, as is implied by your "even conspiracy theorists are stupid enough" statement.

2. There are legitimate reasons why Mr. Chavez may not have everything posted on his DD-214. See, for example, his own explanation: http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/260906_b_Clarifies.htm

With that said, I'm not saying I know for certain at this point whether or not Mr. Chavez is legit, but I do know for certain that your knee-jerk analysis does not give proper credit to what is probably a methodical and reasonable system of judgment.

I couldn't read the

I couldn't read the interview until I copied it into TextEdit and removed all the 'ya knows' and 'likes'...

How can this guy hang with

How can this guy hang with General Tommy Franks and fix his PCs, in his f*cking house lol, which are bound to have some kind of sensitive info on them, and then be allowed to apparently "spill the beans" on 9/11. And “spill the beans” so casually, as if it was just something blasé that he wrote to an editor in complaint, outlined all this stuff, and then was surprised by the response? This is too artificial to me, Alex Jones for all the respect I have for him, is being an absolute fool to put so much faith into this individual "Chavez".

Who is going to fix Tommy

Who is going to fix Tommy Franks's computer? Old Man Franks himself? doubtful. The army would probably send over some young officer that actually knows something about computers, which fits with this guy's story.

Yea, but Franks is 100% in

Yea, but Franks is 100% in on 9/11, he's very high level. This guy "Chavez" says he able to chill with Franks in his house. This guy is hanging around the perpetrators of 9/11 and he’s allowed to rat on them? Fake!

How do you know Franks was

How do you know Franks was in on it? All he did was run a war that was entirely unrelated to 9/11...

this is BS

this is BS

Why are the dogs NOT barking???

If this is somebody's idea of a hoax, I would say they are going through a whole lot of trouble. And so far, they are getting a whole lot of nothing.

My first impression is that this "Chavez" guy is legit. One thing that makes me think there is some legitimacy to him is he's being completely ignored by the MSM!

Think about it... if true, this is a pretty HUGE story! You mean there is not ONE (MSM) reporter out there willing to even investigate this? It's almost like they've been told to back off. Much of what he's alleging can be verified... Mas Dill's (AFB) alleged computer limitations, notwithstanding.

If it turns out it is a hoax, it may not be a HUGE story but it's still a pretty BIG story! And let's be honest... our media is not above making a BIG deal out of a hoax. Does John Mark Karr ring a bell with anybody? It would certainly serve their purpose to expose an "alleged 9/11 whistleblower" as a hoax, wouldn't it? Especially a former soldier with direct ties to General Tommy Franks. If nothing else, it would frighten off any others who may be thinking about coming forward.

Or perhaps that is exactly what they have planned...

I don't know...

but like Sherlock Holmes, it's the fact that the dogs are NOT barking that has me suspicious...

I have to Agree

With Chris, if the MSM dawgs aint a barkin' then that alone is virtually proof positive that he must be legit.

But regardless the media

But regardless the media stays silent anyway, fake or not. If this is a set up on us then the perps want us to get really excited about this guy. Then they'll pull some shit in an attempt to discredit the Truth Movement. And if we do get all excited about this then we'll deserve to get set up for being so dumb. This isn't some kind of paranoid x-files Mulder – “trust no one" type shit, to me at least, this is just being careful and not jumping to conclusions.

You Don't Yank the Hook Until the Fish Bites!

Imagine you are a fish.

You see a little worm wriggling in front of you.

You swim up to it, nudge it... nothing happens

You swim around it and underneath it ... nothing happens

You say to yourself ... this worm looks pretty legit to me !

You open your jaws ... take a little nibble ... still nothing happens...

You say ... well I think this is a legit worm!

So you chomp down and start to swallow it ....

SNAP!

(: 911oz

LOL so true, FUCK "CHAVEZ"

LOL so true, FUCK "CHAVEZ" PPL!

You are an embarassment

You are an embarassment Bruce.

Because maybe it's just something that rhymes with "cat"?

> If this is somebody's idea of a hoax, I would say they are going through a whole lot of trouble.
> And so far, they are getting a whole lot of nothing.

> My first impression is that this "Chavez" guy is legit. One thing that makes me think there is some
> legitimacy to him is he's being completely ignored by the MSM!

Maybe they have been embarrassed enough by the likes of every other faux-combat-veteran-turned-antiwar-activist that they are exercising some healthy skepticism for a change?

You obvioulsy have no military experience yourself, as even the most pedestrian E-3 admin clerk in any branch of the services would have had his BS detector go off at least a half a dozen times after trying to reconcile his story with his DD214...

If it's true then great,

If it's true then great, just seems a bit fake that's all.

ya gotta admit...

"I saw an exercise where they wanted to, like, holographic a giant façade of Allah over Iraq to get the people of Iraq to surrender (laughter)."

Something like this could only come from our "military intelligence".

No, this was made public

a long time ago. See http://www.wanttoknow.info/060123psyops

"But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air."

georgewashington.blogspot.com.

Oxymorons

I actually do remember hearing something about this, sometime ago.

I was actually making light of our (oxy)moronic "military intelligence" for having even come up with a stunt like this!

While it certainly may have convinced a few Iraqis to "surrender" ; I'm equally convinced that it would have unleashed the wrath of tens of millions (possibly hundreds of millions) more muslims against the U.S.

You know, kind of like what the Iraq War is currenly doing.

Possible plans of hoax...

I think that this is BS.

This guy is gonna get more well known truth groups behind him, and then the hoax will come out.

It will be used to discredit AJ, and anyone else who takes the bait.

Then the MSM reports the hoax, and it brings all the first person evidence, whistblowers, into question.

Then they'll be saying how you can't trust Sibel Edmonds info that's on Alex Jones' site, because it is clear he is being duped by hoaxes, just like LJ....

Re: Possible plans of hoax...

No question that you're right Janus. This is a highly plausible scenario. We've seen it happen before. Dan Rather got bit in the ass big time by appearing to support a hoax with the apparently forged "killian documents".

But remember, the facts surrounding the "hoax" that ensnared Dan Rather were actually based on truth (basically that Bush benefitted from preferential treatment while in the National Guard). Rather got slimed, not because of the truth of the matter asserted, but rather for over reliance on a piece of correspondence that turned out to have been faked (apparently).

The lesson to learn here is, we cannot let the possiblity of this being a hoax deter us from pursuing the truth of what we know about 9.11. Whether or not Chavez is legit "9.11 was an Inside Job". And we need to continue to shout that from the roof tops!!! For that reason and that reason alone, it's worth bringing more light to this "Chavez" fellow. Because if nothing else, it will get more people to pay attention. And right now, I fear we are still largely being IGNORED.

My prediction: Even if Chavez turns out to be legit, the MSM will do everything in their power to delegitimize him. I don't think they require much help from us.

I agree with the general

I agree with the general thrust of what you say, however, after watching how these issues often play out, I have a different perspective.

Unverifiable claims of inside info from low-level employees will never be taken seriously. These type of claims are a great way to distract the movement, chew up up time, giving people a brief sense that their cause is going somewhere ... then it all dissolves...

It is pure distraction and entertainment, quite possibly engineered by the psyops department of the military industrial complex.

Considering the scale of the crime here, do you think THEY would let some low level guy run around making claims about stuff going on inside NORAD, and pointing a finger at Tommy Franks unless it was all pre-approved??

These are ruthless cold-blooded killers. I'm amazed and a little disappointed at the naivety displayed here.

As for Alex Jones - I don't know what to think any more ... but this has seriously dented HIS credibility in my eyes.

Chavez

This is the first time I've chimed in on anything here but I figured now is is a good as any.

I've done quite alot of research into the whole 9/11 thing and I have to admit I think this guy is legit. And I am not easy to convince, hell I didn't like Loose Change because all the crap they put in it but I have since realized the value of turning the young onto the truth movement is worth some missguidence.

This guy is obviously a truth movement follower and he knows well that he'd be hammered by us, not to mention the government.

What we need to do now is get a complete story from this guy and start emailing it to all the media everyone of us should write at least a couple letters a day trying to get these people to cover it.

Thanks

2 corrections

Lauro Chavez contacted me to say that it wasn't Colonel... It was a Lt. General.

He also said he wasn't (was not) talking to his girlfriend (I thought he said "was in").

Alfons O of V911T questioned his 2 1/2 weeks from 9/11 to go over to Afghanistan... when 9/11 to 10/7 (Afghan. war start) is more than 2 1/2 weeks (but in fairness to Lauro, he did say 2 1/2 weeks to a few weeks).

Just want to report all that I find out as I find out.
If I ever find something is not true I will be the first person to come out and say it. My reputation is on the line. I took a chance with this guy, as did Alex Jones. We could be wrong. But sometimes it's just the chance you've got to take.

I know the MSM will never cover this story so all we can hope for is getting it out on alternative media sites. What I am hoping is that some others who know something will come out and speak up.

Once upon a time - 1 1/2 years ago I used to go by a pen name. But I realized that by coming out sometimes we encourage others to do the same. Heck, if we don't ALL start speaking up and out soon, we will only get more wars and more false flags.

Cathy

Great work Cathy

Great work Cathy. Thanks a lot.

I would note that the US was deploying troops to Afghanistan within a few days of 9/11 - the entire invasion army was already there by 10/7. Granted, it sounds as if he was flown directly to Kabul, but I think his deployment could have easily taken place within three weeks of the attacks.

The interview also becomes vastly more readable when all the 'ya know' and 'like' stuff is removed.

You didn't take a chance on

You didn't take a chance on this guy, you just started looking into his story. What we should do now is investigate his claims, try to verify he is who he says he is, before we vouch for him.

I don't buy his story at all, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't look into it. In fact it's only by looking into it that we'll be able to dismiss his claims if they are false.

Nice interview Cathy

I hope you will continue to follow this story about Lauro Chavez and hopefully his story will encourage others in the military to come forward.

For all of you who want to bash Mr. Chavez based on little or no knowledge, I'm a part of the local 9/11 Truth Movement here in Cincinnati, I've met and spoken to Lauro twice (more times via email) and to me Lauro comes across as an extremely geniune, affable and intelligent guy who is concerned like the rest of us about our country and all of the Bush regime events that have taken place on and after 9/11. We are all outraged about the 9/11 "staged terrorist attacks" and are seeking to expose this as an inside job so that the real perpetrators will be brought to justice. So why are you criticizing this guy for being a 9/11 truth supporter? Give the story some time.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

Yea but have you see

Yea but have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11, with that peace group that got infiltrated by a guy they trusted 100%. I'm not saying don't trust people in you local movement for one second, no way would I advocate such paranoid bullshit. But this dude "Chavez", even though you've apparently met him and I certainly have not, does seem fake to me based on all this info, that's just my opinion.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "[T]he photo of the man in the newspaper was not the Aaron Stokes they had come to know, [a member of Peace Fresno]. He was actually Deputy Aaron Kilner. And he had infiltrated their group."

"Aaron Kilner, 27, who joined the force in June 1999 and had been assigned the last 18 months to the anti-terrorist team under the vice-intelligence unit, apparently was killed instantly when his blue Yamaha motorcycle slammed into the right front side of a 1999 Buick, Fresno police said." Louis Galvan, "Crash Kills Off-Duty Detective, Victim Joined Fresno County Force in 1999," Fresno Bee, August 31, 2003.
"It remains unclear why the Fresno County Sheriff's Department infiltrated the peace group there, but Pierce said his department's actions were legal. ‘We can be anywhere we want to that's open to the public,’ Pierce said in a telephone interview from his Fresno office." Sam Stanton and Emily Bazar, "More Scrutiny of Peace Groups, Public Safety Justifies Surveillance Since 9/11, Authorities Say," Sacramento Bee, November 9, 2003.

I understand your concern...

Yes I've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 several times (I own a copy) so I know of the story you are referencing.

Everything that we do at our 9/11 meetings are above board so I'm not worried about being taken in by some agent provocateur. In fact, L.J. has made some good suggestions about distributing dvd's and trying to get films shown which was our plan even before he joined us.

As far as some people wondering why the main stream media hasn't touched this... they are too busy trying to discredit anything other that the governments OT. Gotta' stay in the good graces of the republican controlled FCC if you want them to rule favorably about letting the 5 major broadcast/news corporations to buy up more stations in a given market ya know? Not to mention... keeping up your membership in the CFR.

Besides that...GE who owns NBC certainly is not going to endanger any multi billion dollar government defense contracts for a little 9/11 truth.

Just give the guy a chance and let's see where this story and (verification thereof) leads...if anywhere.

Patience my good man, patience. :-)

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

Cathy, here are some things you need to look at...

> If I ever find something is not true I will be the first person to come out and say it. My reputation is on the line.

Cathy,

Take a look at his DD214 and ask him why he has 0 days listed for overseas duty, and no medals/commendations for being in the Afghanistan theatre of operations for starters.

Next, ask him why they would use communications techs/operators to guard pipelines that are so secret that even the oil companies don't know they exist.

Also, ask him why super-secret-hush-hush-cloak-and-dagger types would even let him look over their shoulders at highly classified documents, much less close enough to read all the details.

Finally, ask him how he could tell he was being "shot at" while flying in a 350-ton airplane with no windows (except for emergency exits, few and far between) in either the lower cargo compartment OR the upper passenger compartment.

Please note that I'm not doing this to pick on you personally. IMHO, though, you're being used...

He and Hugo should form a tag team...

The Chavez Connection

"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."

Personally, I think Chavez will be believed by people or not

depending on whether he signs a declaration. If he is an authentic whistleblower, I think such a declaration will help to PROTECT him also.

georgewashington.blogspot.com.

vote.

Do you blame either administration for failing to prevent 9/11?
Yes, the Bush administration 39%
Yes, both administrations 23%
Yes, the Clinton administration 22%
No 16%
Total Votes: 14,289

http://news.aol.com/dailypulse/092606/_a/war-of-words/200609261053099900...

Wow! He's not one, he's ten whistleblowers!

Wow!

That Lauro guy has a lot of amazing connections...

And he's not just one, he's ten whistleblowers in one person!

One friend who is the Colonel boss of the Army Corps of Engineers.
One acquaintance who is in the Pentagon and with whom he talks over a secure line.
One close friend is into demolitions.

He himself is a computer and communications expert.
He's the only Sergeant working in the Central Command (everybody else is higher rank).
He is a very close personal servant to a general, fixing+maintaining that guy's computers, in office as well as at home.
He reads a page of a secret document detailing the 9/11 wargames.
He is deployed into Afghanistan only 2 weeks later, flown into Kabul airport in under fire.
He works there to run the communication systems of the psy op specialists.
He personally does shifts guarding the big oil pipeline there.
He personally has experience with explosives.
He has personally seen secret developments in a military research lab re. stealth flying drones.
He's seen a military exercise using holographic technology to display a giant image over the sky of Afghanistan.

His DD214 didn't even need a signature -- that's how important he was.

Impressive!

I'm not (yet?) a regular

I'm not (yet?) a regular poster, no. A colleague of mine is, though. Why do you ask, Andrew?

Thanks for condensing it

Thanks for condensing it seeker, this guy Chavez really seems so fake, and I'm disappointed in Alex Jones for being this gullible.

Not gullible

Dem, remember this. This man's story may not pan out after all. But I think Alex Jones and I were both right to interview him and let the truth come out eventually - whatever that truth is.

Someone is going to be able to prove or disprove this man's claims. I hope that someone will do so - either way - whether he is telling the truth or not.

Neither Alex, myself, or anyone is saying we guarantee that his story will one day be corroborated. We just go on the best gut instinct we have. When we say he claims this or that or is reportedly or allegedly something or other... We are not making a guarantee... Just telling the man's story. We are reporting only one man's claims.

Time will tell whether he is a fake or real.

I agree with George Washington - Chavez needs to put something in writing if he wishes to have widespread acceptance.

I'm not dissing you one bit

I'm not dissing you one bit for bringing this to light or any shit like that. What I'm saying though is this guy and the story behind him in my opinion seems to fantastical. I'm sure he was military, but that makes it worse because he might still be military, especially if he was that high level. Who knows. All I know is that something smells like bullshit, and it’s as if Alex Jones is so desperate to make head way that he’s overlooking any scepticism about this guy, which is foolish.

Cathy, you did a great job!

Cathy, I agree: you was right to interview him. And you did a great job there. And your lead-in paragraphs are carefully enough written to not make every naive soul step into a trap (if it is one) immediately.

And yes, an affidavit by Lauro Chavez would be the best that we could get.

Thanks for your efforts. :-)

Uh, Cathy, Cathy...

> Someone is going to be able to prove or disprove this man's claims.

You're the one who professed to putting her reputation on the line. Why didn't you PERSONALLY check out his story YOURSELF before peddling it for everyone to see?

Or perhaps do you feel that getting a message sympathetic to your own particular beliefs is more important than finding out the truth? :O(

This Honey Pot Looks Soooo Yummy!

I trust Sgt Chavez, for he confirmed all the things I already believe!

Who cares about a missing signature? It's more important to simply trust Sgt. Chavez ... because this makes me feel better.

And, hey ... its quite plausible that a sergeant would sit around with a 5 star general to yarn about black op mass murder in which the General himself is deeply implicated... yeah, I buy that TOTALLY!

Don't attack Sgt Chavez - he's a real truther!

Don't you think it's

Don't you think it's possible that they blacked it out????

I mean, would you want your signature floating all over the net in todays world??

Not sure if this is what happened but I can imagine that it did.

yes, exactly thank you!!!

What is wrong with these people? This is so obviously fake.

Vreeland II.

Two words: Delmart Vreeland. That is what this guy is. He is a honey pot who will seduce you into believing his story, but he is more harmful than helpful to the movement. For those who don't remember, Ruppert and some others got sucked in by Vreeland. Vreeland was an apparent spook/patsy who had a sworn statement or something in Canada that the attacks were coming, but the guy's character was so bad, he took a lot away from Ruppert and others' research.

No wonder more people arent stepping forward

Whos going to believe them? lol. Apparently not even you all.

There isnt an outlet for witnesses with inside knowledge, who arent notable high ranking individuals...

So far, the attacks against

So far, the attacks against Chavez are lame and easily refuted. Do I believe that during 8 years of military service the same man - had a
friend at the pentagon, serviced Tommy Franks computer, saw a file open, knew or heard about "Allah holograms" while in service,
knew psyops personnel, was standing next to a demolitions expert
when the towers fell on TV. YES. YES I do believe it. I believe every word he has stated. To date, nothing he has said has been refuted.
Eight years is a long time to serve in the military. He has proven he
was at CENTCOM. He worked with computers. How the hell anyone can use this info against him sure beats me. He worked on Franks
computers. Franks was the undisputed CO of the unit he worked for.
He therefore worked on his computer. He asked Franks his opinion
of events. Franks equivocated. Sounds very realistic to me. This reported equivication by Franks is distorted by a blogger to be a discussion on details of black ops by a general to a sargeant. Sorry, but that slant of what Chavez reports cannot be viewed as anything other than a purposeful distortion of what Chavez said.
As far as the pipeline in Afghanistan and the Hologram of Allah -
many, many troops, of all sorts of ranks and clearances will tell you the same thing. That Chavez came across the same info does not discredit him and to my thinking, the fact he reports it is to his credit. Can a military man receive training on computers and demolitions (c-4) both. Gimme a break - soldiers are trained in multiple disciplines - armed combat, psyops, computers, etc. Are military personnel assigned to various duties during their term of service - hell yes. Especially during eight years of service. My own father was a sargent in the Army in the late '50's early 60's. He was given given security clearance on atomic bomb construction.
Sargeants can and are given clearance on important matters. No one on this blog has suggested disseminating information presented by Chavez before it is verified. That is happening now.
Meanwhile, some people, apparently people who have gotten Chavez's employer information from Truther websites are writing into his employer demanding he be fired from his job. This is NOT
I repeat NOT in any way, shape or form helpful to the Truth movement. As far as may discerned at this time, this man is telling us the truth. People from this very blog are trying to get him fired. This should be cause for very grave concern. We have waited a long time for those in the know in the military to come forward. Someone has. I personally believe every word he says.
Yet, by coming forward, his employment is now on the line - because of the actions of people posting on and deriving information from our very own Truther website. This can hardly be the welcome we intended for military whistleblowers, those of us who are sincere. I am shocked and disgusted.

my penis

In the late 1960's, my penis was used as a blimp in a top secret military operation called "operation rogers penis used as a blimp." This has by no means been refuted, and you cannot refute it. Thus, it is true that my penis was used as a blimp in the late 1960's. It later exploded like the hindenburg, and thus, the sensitive operation was discontinued.

i hate to say it, but

i hate to say it, but remember what we got from whistleblower Richard Andrew Grove? I mean we didn't get nothing, but i assert we didn't get more than a good truthseeker. What he told in his Meria interview was for the most part info out of the 'Who killed John O'Neill' video.
And now we have the same problem: Chavez is by any means a 'genuine' truther, judging by what he tells, but what we really need is some real NEW clues!
And NEW info looks different, it is surprising, it is refreshing. Example: imagine the ISI wire transfer to Atta would still be unknown. Then a whistleblower steps forward and says he 'knows something', and the clue he gives you is the ISI transfer - wouldn't that be helpful and refreshing, like a Gatorate? This is what we need, but they have starved us to hunger with their secrecy.

The Bush regime has accomplished one thing above everything else: Total secrecy! Under the claim of national security concerns (a' la' Orwell) we have lost the right to know what happened, even the very basics of it. And those 'in the know' of something all seem to put their personal profit/security above their country. It reminds me of Bill Gates when he announced his priorities had changed, that the most important thing for him would no longer be Microsoft, but his 'family' - great for him, only for him, because i don't care a shit about his family, i care about what 95% of all the billions of computers around the globe are running on.

Your penis

Do you DARE to make reference reference to the proven and irrefuted
experiments conducted by black ops on several hundred innocent and unsuspected victims of the US Gov't who were subjected to radiation testing on their testicles and genitalia? Do you DARE, on this forum, poke fun at hundreds of black men who were given syphyliss by the US gov't in a research project by the US Gov't which has been acknowledged and verified and apologized for Pres Cinton? Read Eileen Welsome's Pulitizer Prize winning book on this subject. How dare you come to this forum and spew this s(*&!

Eileen Welsome

Eileen Welsome Pulitzer Prize winning book "Cold War Experiments"
which details nonconsensual experiments against US citizens including Syphyllis experiment on black males and radiation experiments on males genitalia - the reference a poster is using.

my friend LJ (Lauro Chavez)

Ok first off everyone on here should ask questions but this has gotten out of hand. I am a good Friend of LJs and i must say this is really something. I mean I know he is real and where he worked and the fact he just got fired. This is all real. He was in the military has tried to prove that but continues to get picked apart.

Strange thing is I have been a follower of the movement for about two years now and this is the first time I got to see how a person I know in my private life becomes portrayed in the media and radio shows. LJ and I were talking the other day about how strange it is that people are even saying he should have picked a better fake name. I mean come on people this guy is real. He has gained nothing from going public except to loose his job. He has not been offered any main stream media and he didn't even try to become a whistleblower but rather just gave his opinion peace letter to someone at vt911t.org and next thing he knows he is facing the gauntlet if he is real or not. At this point he could have just ignored everything and let it pass over saving his job and character but he made a big choice to come out and defend himself and set the story straight. Now he has tried to do that and all he get's is more negative support and it now even appears the efforts of the few none believers are affecting Alex Jones and the others into starting to back off.

Please tell me what LJ stands to gain from doing any of this. If he is fake he just lost his job, forged military documents which lands him in jail for a felony, and brought serious threat to himself and others around him.

WHO STANDS TO GAIN. don't forget our very own founding questions when looking critically at a event or person.

This is all I am going to say for now but if anyone out there supports this brave man this might be the time to say something because in truth he is just a normal guy like you or I. Imagine if you were unexpectantly thrown into the spot light and then questioned left and right, loose your job and then in the end you get spit out with people saying your fake you made this up. blah blah..

Before this whole thing happened to my friend LJ I was one of you. Just another internet surfer freedom fighter that picked everything apart from the comfort of my computer, faceless in the truth movement. I still am just a faceless small supporter but I got to see something unique and that was a very close friend of mine get thrown into the center ring and see how that plays out within the movement. I can now see how much out of context something can be taken and how hard it truly his to prove yourself in front of strangers.

Why is it that everyone spends so much time trying to focus on negative energy. I mean we live in this blanket of fear so much so that now we have diss-info agents all among us and cannot trust things which our own eyes show us. I think it is time everyone takes a deep breath steps back and reevaluate what all this research, analyizing and energy is really going towards. We are responsible for more then "waking people up". We are responsible for our own emotions and thoughts, we must guard against the effort of the establishment from taking the smiles and joy from our faces. We can critically ask questions without falling into the trap of fear / hatred and other negative patterns which our leaders use so much. Realize that life can be whatever you think it will or should be. Yes we have serious things happening right now that all point toward negative outcomes but if we give up our positive spirits willingly in a effort to fight the good fight then my friends we have already lost the battle because it is truly an assault of the individual and your right to " Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Chavez is my friend

Ok first off everyone on here should ask questions but this has gotten out of hand. I am a good Friend of LJs and i must say this is really something. I mean I know he is real and where he worked and the fact he just got fired. This is all real. He was in the military has tried to prove that but continues to get picked apart.

Strange thing is I have been a follower of the movement for about two years now and this is the first time I got to see how a person I know in my private life becomes portrayed in the media and radio shows. LJ and I were talking the other day about how strange it is that people are even saying he should have picked a better fake name. I mean come on people this guy is real. He has gained nothing from going public except to loose his job. He has not been offered any main stream media and he didn't even try to become a whistleblower but rather just gave his opinion peace letter to someone at vt911t.org and next thing he knows he is facing the gauntlet if he is real or not. At this point he could have just ignored everything and let it pass over saving his job and character but he made a big choice to come out and defend himself and set the story straight. Now he has tried to do that and all he get's is more negative support and it now even appears the efforts of the few none believers are affecting Alex Jones and the others into starting to back off.

Please tell me what LJ stands to gain from doing any of this. If he is fake he just lost his job, forged military documents which lands him in jail for a felony, and brought serious threat to himself and others around him.

WHO STANDS TO GAIN. don't forget our very own founding questions when looking critically at a event or person.

This is all I am going to say for now but if anyone out there supports this brave man this might be the time to say something because in truth he is just a normal guy like you or I. Imagine if you were unexpectantly thrown into the spot light and then questioned left and right, loose your job and then in the end you get spit out with people saying your fake you made this up. blah blah..

Before this whole thing happened to my friend LJ I was one of you. Just another internet surfer freedom fighter that picked everything apart from the comfort of my computer, faceless in the truth movement. I still am just a faceless small supporter but I got to see something unique and that was a very close friend of mine get thrown into the center ring and see how that plays out within the movement. I can now see how much out of context something can be taken and how hard it truly his to prove yourself in front of strangers.

Why is it that everyone spends so much time trying to focus on negative energy. I mean we live in this blanket of fear so much so that now we have diss-info agents all among us and cannot trust things which our own eyes show us. I think it is time everyone takes a deep breath steps back and reevaluate what all this research, analyizing and energy is really going towards. We are responsible for more then "waking people up". We are responsible for our own emotions and thoughts, we must guard against the effort of the establishment from taking the smiles and joy from our faces. We can critically ask questions without falling into the trap of fear / hatred and other negative patterns which our leaders use so much. Realize that life can be whatever you think it will or should be. Yes we have serious things happening right now that all point toward negative outcomes but if we give up our positive spirits willingly in a effort to fight the good fight then my friends we have already lost the battle because it is truly an assault of the individual and your right to " Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Do you live with Lauro

Do you live with Lauro Chavez by any chance?

The reason I ask is that your comment has the same IP address of the last comment by Lauro (here). Usually that would mean that both this comment and the last comment by Lauro were actually the same person or at least from the same internet connection.

WORK IP

Like i said in my other post LJ and I work at same location and that is why you see the same IP number. This is due to a firewall feeding all traffic in and out. Just wanted to clarify this point on this post as well as the other one.

It may be hard for everyone who doesn't really know him but he is real i can assure you that... and yes he was in the military.. but those that want to dig to find something to support there viewpoint will find something I guess...

Anyway thanks to all those out there who continue to come forward and give their account of things..

i had copied this question

i had copied this question to each of the duplicate posts you had done this morning..

thanks again for the answer, i hope you might contact the ppl at v911t.org to help vouch for his creditiblity and such.

Hey Lauro (or your sock) - about that C-5 you flew into Kabul...

> "So it’s really easy to like shoot at, like a machine gun, ya know, and ya know, like, there were bullet holes on the sides of the plane.
> And of course they didn’t come all the way through, but and we’re all looking at them later and I’m like, “Holy cow, we’re getting shot at!”

You said you flew into Kabul on a C-5, but this ex-USAF/MAC loadmaster is curious as to why AMC would commit a huge aircraft dedicated for strategic airllift into a "hot" (tactical) zone.

In addition, about your plane being shot at: were would you have been sitting to notice this? You weren't next to a "window", by any chance?

If so, please tell us more. I'm dying to know when the USAF decided to deliberately spend the money to diminish the structural integrity of a strategic airlifter to retrofit all those C-5s with windows so that passengers (and cargo) could look outside to see where they were going... ;O)

Also, about that DD214 of yours...

With 8 months of "combat" guarding a non-existent pipeline with basically the MOS equivalent of a comm/IT tech rating, why doesn't your DD214 reflect any overseas duty?

In addition, why didn't Uncle Sam's Army at least give you some type of medal or commendation for at least being in the Afghanistan theatre of operations?

Come on, were you in that much of a hurry to outprocess that you couldn't get the personnel clerk to correct the paperwork or what?

Still curious about those windows that allowed you to look outside and proclaim that you were being shot at: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-5-DFST9803610_JPG.jpg

About Lauro's secret documents...

> I happened to go in there, yeah. And of course, the op order was out in the psy ops guys, and I was peeking over the first page of it,
> you know, it was, like, opened to, a page. You know, I didn’t like take it out and read it. But it was a top secret document, and it was
> open to like, page 4, and that’s when it was talking about the scenarios for the planes hitting the Pentagon, the White House,
> Sears tower was one of them, a building in Dallas was one of them, some place in California, I don’t remember, some power station

So is Lauro telling us that people who engage in super-secret spook shit leave classified documents out so that people with no "need to know" can just look over their shoulder and see what they were reading? I guess I wasn't as high up the food chain as this guy when I was an aircrewmember in the USAF, because my clearances were only "Secret/NATO Confidential", but any time we WERE shown any classified material, it was in a secure area where (1) ID had to be presented (2) we were advised of the level of security of the documents (books/papers/movies/slide shows) to be viewed, and (3) reminded of basic security procedures, and (4) NOTHING was to be recorded or removed from the area.

That fact that he thinks that "top secret" papers could be easily stolen is quite interesting - is he somehow related to Sandy Berger?

More questions about Lauro's C-5 trip to Kabul on 9/26/01

> How soon after 9/11 did you go to Afghanistan?

> It was about 2 ½ weeks after 9/11 that it happened, the 26th, a couple of weeks, few weeks.

Kabul International Airport
IATA: KBL - ICAO: OAKB
Summary
Airport type public/military
Operator Romanian Air Force
Serves Kabul
Elevation AMSL 5,871 ft (1,789 m)
Coordinates 34°33′56″N, 69°12′39″E
Runways 11/29 , 10,885 ft/ 3318 m

So Lauro claims to fly into Kabul in a C-5 on the 26 of July when it was still occupied by the Taliban? Apparently he wasn't aware that the Kabul airport (ICAO KBL) was still being attacked by US airstrikes through mid-October, and the Northern Alliance wouldn't drive out the Taliban until November 13th. Limited operations weren't started until early December of that year, and the main runway (wasn't open until January 2002!

DATE=10/13/01 DATELINE=WASHINGTON
INTRO: A bomb from a U-S warplane has missed its military target at Kabul airport and instead hit a residential area nearby. V-O-A's Stephanie Mann reports the mistake occured early today (Saturday) as U-S and British air strikes against terrorist targets in Afghanistan continue. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2001/10/mil-011013-3...

Tuesday, 16 October, 2001, 13:41 GMT 14:41 UK
US deploys lethal low-flying gunship
The US military have started using a slow low-flying ground attack aircraft in their raids on Afghanistan. In other strikes on Tuesday, Associated Press news agency said International Red Cross officials in Kabul had reported that a compound had been hit during an air raid. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1601726.stm

October 19, 2001: In the first acknowledged action by U.S. ground forces in Afghanistan, Army Rangers and Special Forces seized an airfield in the south and attacked Mullah Mohammed Omar’s headquarters near Kandahar. One helicopter on a supporting mission crashed in southern Pakistan, killing 2 soldiers. The Defense Department denied Taliban claims that the helicopter had been damaged over Afghanistan and that the U.S. raiders had been quickly driven off. Gen. Myers later said that there were no U.S. casualties, resistance had been light, Taliban losses were unknown, no Taliban leaders were on the premises, but potentially useful information had been captured.

November 13, 2001: Taliban forces abandoned Kabul and Northern Alliance forces took control of the Afghan capital.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5889.htm

Kabul airport reopens

KABUL, Jan 16 (2002): Kabul’s airport, heavily damaged during the US bombing, was officially reopened on Wednesday after being cleared of bombs and mines.

“This is the start of a new era for Afghan aviation,” interim Air Transport and Tourism Minister Abdul Rahman said as the national carrier Ariana announced plans to resume international services next week with the lifting of year-long UN sanctions.

The airport, which has had limited use for domestic flights since early last month, was cleared for full service after weeks of mine clearance and repairs to the main runway.—AFP

http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/17/top14.htm