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Griffin on BBC
David Ray Griffin appeared on BBC's Heaven & Earth Sunday. Here's the link. A British 9/11 truther tells me there were approximately 1 million viewers. It is an excellent interview, and David Shayler was great too.
It must have been around a few days....
GW ,I've had it on my blog for a few days: http://jultra.blogspot.com/
Not that it matters, glad you've got it here!
Wow, it's good!
Very refreshing to see actual intelligent debate on TV.
Now if only the Mail on Sunday person could be brought to see this through and put up the sound, rational rebuttal he obviously must have up his sleeve if thinks he can outright dismiss us...
I'm not holding my breath.
And the contention that it's bestowed upon us to completely prove our theory is absurd, considering that the very fact that their theory does not hold any water combined with the obvious motive and deliberate coverup pretty much indict them beyond any reasonable doubt.
Griffin WRONG about Pentagon hit according to Zembla
Recently the Dutch program Zembla, http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/vara/zembla/bb.20060911.asf looked at some of the things Griffin is saying like there was no evidence of the Boeing hitting the Pentagon and that Hanjour wasn't skilled enough to perform the required air maneuver. They find both of these ideas of Griffin WRONG. There was plenty of evidence of a Boeing hit and the skill level required wasn't as much as Griffin thinks. View the video and see for yourself.
I've just watched the entire
I've just watched the entire Zembla film. It comes in strong support of a LIHOP scenario, but it refutes the claim that a Boeing could not have hit the pentagon. (It doesn't prove that a 757 DID hit, or which 757, but refutes the claims that it is impossible pretty convincingly.)
It also opposes the CD theori of WTC1&2 (not 7), but IMHO gives no conclusive evidence to disprove the theory.
not entirely
That was a fairly decent documentary...thanks for the link...
While Griffin might be wrong about there being no 757, it is not suffice to say he's wrong about it not being piloted by Hani Hanjour.
Zembla's little debunking of that is rather pathetic.
All they do is get in a simulator, have the flight already near the Pentagon (in which the flight actually went almost passed W Virgina before turning around), and then not even bother crashing it into the bottom floor of the Pentagon, as it was on 9/11.
The flight was literally only a few feet off the ground as it went into the Pentagon. That is extremely hard to do at that speed. At no point did they do it in their test on the simulator, in fact one part they show them going into the ground before reaching the pentagon.
They just make the argument that hitting the Pentagon at all isn't hard (after you're in the vicinity no less). That's extremely generic and misleading, given what actually happened.
While we're at it, the wtc..
Jowenko, albeit a demolition expert, might know a thing or two, he fails to see that the demolition of the WTC could've simply been done with an unconventional method with unconventional explosives. He is assuming that black-op groups would use only the same type of stuff he is familiar with. This has a lot of implications, such as cabling (no need if it's radio controlled), survivability (no concern if they're in protected cases), and amount (they could've used less explosive that is advanced that is much more powerful than using more conventional explosive).....
He also is not aware that there were reported explosions in the basement. They could easily compromise the building from the bottom, to get the top to act as though it was only collapsing from there. That is simply done by removing the strength of the core, pulling on the top to initiate collapse, and then have explosives raze the building preceding the collapse zone as it was falling.
The film does a very amateur attempt at saying that the MIHOP is absurd just off of these two things they provide to 'debunk' it.
At least they lend it into LIHOP....but we all know LIHOP is absurd for you wouldn't leave it in the hands of jihadists to initiate your agenda.
Good points about ...
Good points about the flight simulation and the demolition experts opinions on WTC1 & WTC2. His surprise at WTC7 may make him rethink his views on the other buildings. The notion about explosives being set off by the planes fires can be countered by the use of thermite, thermate and super-thermite which would not have been ignited. However, the evidence that a Boeing hit the Pentagon was very convincing and this is a big problem for the no-plane or better no-Boeing theories.
I find it interesting how
I find it interesting how the "jounalists" seems to be in lock step with the U.S. MSM in so much as he flatly rejects any other version but that put forward by the American media. He then has the audacity to claim that he approaches all stories with a skeptical view.
The truth clearly is coming out. Anyone with eyes can see. Anyone with ears can hear. The lies are being exposed.
Griffin + Chavez = Gold.
Griffin + Chavez =
Gold.
Me?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Of course you...you chunky
Of course you...you chunky hunky monkey... :-)
-slaqqer
MSM, establishment politicians, and the State of Denial
Absolutely. The MSM and establishment politicians are just a mess.
I just caught a glimpse of Larry King speaking with Jimmy Carter tonight on one of our televisions. I snapped it right off.
It was sickening to hear Jimmy Carter speaking with such authority under the notion that the U.S. was attacked solely from without. How blind can one be to not clearly see that criminals in the U.S. government were involved.
People are lying to themselves when they tell themselves WTC 1 & 2 came down because of jet fuel and fire. Not to even mention the outrageousness of the changing stories regarding the collapse of WTC 7.
The gatekeepers' floodgates
The gatekeepers' floodgates seem to have opened exceptionally now for the Chavez story. And remember there were also similar comments from Iran.
The only thing that could backfire is when the Republicans start to spin it as "anti-american" and "terrorist" propaganda.
Brillant...
The cool, calm, collected Griffin at his best.
According to Alex Jones,
According to Alex Jones, Chavez specifically mentioned WTC7 in his speech but the American media cropped it.
yeah, i noticed that too.
yeah, i noticed that too.
This Chavez thing is huge.
This Chavez thing is huge.
The left gatekeepers can no longer call us "nuts".
One editorial tried to
One editorial tried to attack Griffin, but couldn't find much of a scandal about him, so they blamed him for selling 100000 books to provide 'funding for the truth movement'. This is so ridiculous when one compares it to the billions the neocons have allocated for the DHS, for the wars, and the many times they played the '9/11 card' to impose their own will.
You Gotta Love It
Lucidation leads to transformation
Brilliant. The guys face as it dawns on him that it must have been rigged in advance. He so much wants not to believe it, but he cannot hang on. Priceless.
credentials
Does anyone know this guys credentials? I tried to google him but didn't come up with anything.
For me, this is a very powerful video.
Thanks to whoever translated and posted this...
Demolitions Veteran
He is a 27 year veteran of the demo industry. He runs his own company and is billed as the top blaster in Holland.
thanks
Thanks... Found his website at www.jowenko.nl with more info
Fire and explosives
"Mr Jowenko is a controlled demolition expert with years of experience in this area. He didn't know wtc7 came down. He doesn't believe the twin towers had explosives because if there was fire why wouldn't it start immediately. Explosives will burn and otherwise they will be triggered at 320 degrees celsius. The journalist shows him wtc7, interesting."
He has a point here. In buildings 1 and 2, why wouldn't the fires have set off some of the explosives immediately?
I thought i heard about
I thought i heard about witnesses saying they heard explotions on september 11th, 2001? Maybe those explotions were because of the fires.
Dr Steven Jones
Slightly off topic, but I wanted to let every one know that I just received an email from Dr Steven Jones and he appears to be in good spirits and he is till very hard at work.:
"Things have changed some around here you may have heard, but I’m still working hard!!"
No surprise his spirit will not be surpressed. Because of BYUs actions he will not be able to travel to Italy for a conference he was suppose to attend, however he will be submitting a presentation of his work, so his message is alive and well. Prayers and support for this kind and courageuos soul are in order.
GW, have you granted us
GW, have you granted us permission to support the lynchpin of our movement yet?
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Off Topic
I swear somthings breaking. The Orange County Registor newspaper printed this editorial http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/editorials/article_1272 This is the newspaper of the Rebublican dominated Orange County California. The meat sentance being" Did the goverment let the plot go forward?" I damn near shit myself when I read it. Yes I did call the paper and talked with the editorial department. I have more on this if anyone is interested
I'm interested
What did the editorial department say?











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