man, that's whack.

the church up the street from me is apparently the opposite end of the spectrum, their sign says 'this sunday - religious diversity'..

time to switch to a methodist church?

My church is learning the truth 1 item at a time as I try to be easy on my brothers and sisters. As soon as I see a hint of awakening BLAMO! my auto pilot sinks in and they don't have a prayer.

This is the pastor who I gave "9/11 Revisited", who has not responded to my letter where I exposed myself as a truther about 4-5 months ago. Maybe it is time to switch churches, but I have an increadible urge to break the truth in this church since it is the one my extended family attends.

hrm.. well, maybe for christmas you should get him all of griffin's books and a copy of terrorstorm?

good luck with that man.

If this church is so pro government try handing out the fliers used by the fbi to identify possible terrorists where it clearly states Christians are a hate group.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Front.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Back.jpg
this should get some people thinking.

I wouldn't clasify this church as "pro-gov." The pastor has been known in the past to point out the flaws with our government when it comes to certain issues. This is usually against the left wing though, as you can imagine. I guess he just might be pro-Bush, but I can't comfirm this.

If they are pro Bush they probably pretend to "support the troops" here's an article you can print out and show around, and they can't be accused as liberal left wingers since it was written by army times:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php

and this cannot be blamed (entirely) on the left and it should infuriate everone with a sense of decency and honor:

Four veterans of the current war in Iraq and one supporter (a total of five young men) were detained at the Pentagon today after they attended an open house and left behind flyers providing information about the lethal effects of depleted uranium.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0609/S00159.htm

also you can find lots of information about the way the troops have been betrayed with the use of Uranium 238, ther is a good section at
http://www.supportthetruth.com
or type doug rokke into any search engine, he's the one you need to know about, also there is a dvd, free to all active and past military, Beyond Treason that chronicles the atrocities of our troops. Here's some pictures of what it's doing to the children:
http://www.altavista.com/image/results?q=gulf+war+syndrome+children&mik=...

and tell tham to take cilantro to the troops (not a joke)
http://www.relfe.com/removing_heavy_metal_toxicity.html

You don't have to be aggressive, just bring peoples attetion to it. It may be a good starting point, approach those who know current military people and tell them you want them safe and respected. that may be a good start.
ONLY THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE

Matthew 5:
20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:
15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
22) Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23) Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 23:
2) The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3) So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4) They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5) Everything they do is done for men to see
23) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness.
25) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and selfindulgence.
27) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28) In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Mark 7:
6) These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." - Jesus

Luke 12:
1) Be in your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Jesus

I really appreciate this advise. Although, as I read these verses, I can see him applying these verses to me, meaning the reverse, but it is worth a shot.

Here's a 9/11 Truth update

That Meigs guy cracks me up. I needed a good laugh today. That article reminded me of the horrible performance he gave on some Air America Show in Arizona where he got really flustered and couldn't answer simple questions like, "Where was the original DNA samples of the hi-jackers obtained from to compare with the samples they found at the crash sites?" Great stuff!

The poor kid did every thing he could to hold a straight face as he repeated all the stuff he knows has been debunked.

Never was there as good a band of kids as disinfo agents as Dylan and his band of merry thieves.

That's too bad, T-Bone.

My parents are both United Church of Christ clergy, and I have them fully into LIHOP, and right on the edge of MIHOP. That doesn't mean either one is going to speak about it from the pulpit anytime soon, but it's a far remove from war-mongering video montages.

IIs there a reason you don't want to register here so you can blog about it? There's more I'd like to say but it's just way too off-topic for this thread.

I just havent got around to doing it yet. I'll try tonight. I would definitely like some more advise. I'm still getting used to this new set-up and I din't know you could start your own blog on here. very cool!

You register, and then you can do a blog whenever you want. You have a lot to say about this, T-Bone -- I know from reading your posts over the last few months.

DRG makes the suggestion in his new book that it might be the churches that spearhead a new investigation. I don't know how likely that is, but individual ministers who get on board have a ready-made soapbox (aka pulpit) from which they might spread some 9/11 info.

IRS Threatened To Revoke Church's Tax-Exempt Status After Minister Delivered 2004 Anti-War Sermon...

article here

t-bone there's a lot of that going around. They choose the darkness over the light because they fear that their evil deeds will be exposed. You are VERY unlikely to find out what the spirit is saying in the church today because it has no desire to walk in the truth. I got some bombshells to lay on you if you're interested. If this doesn't link to my blog gimme a shout.

The debunking/disinfo movement is in full gear ... It's not looking good ... and there are plenty of people dumb enough or selfish enough (bribed) to support it

however, as a comforting though from media reactions (polls, talkback, etc) it seems bush is dead with our without the truth movement

Skeptics of your silly 9/11 conspiracy movement don't need a movement.

The facts always win by themselves.

hey "lars", do your parents hate you? why else would they name you that? also, why are you here? you shills can never really explain what motivates you to come here. is your life that empty? you need a friend buddy? someone to talk to? fucking assclown.

My parents love me. They taught me the value of thinking and always telling the truth. People here say they are "9/11 Truthers" so I think you wouldn't be offended by any truth.

"Lars" is a common name in Sweden. I was named Lars after my great-grandfather. I'm sorry my name and the name of my ancestor offends you. I've seen worse discrimination in my lifetime.

oh it doesnt offend me, it just makes me laugh.