that's true...

it wouldnt matter

even if they had a movie of osama flying
the planes himself

even if it was in freakin 3d---

---->911 was an inside job

my only contention is that most of the people in the 911 truth movement call into question that the Bin Laden in the first video is a fat fake bin laden.
Why is this even mentioned? We already have enough to connect Bush with the bin laden family & CIA/MI5 with his handlers, but all the fake video claims overshadow these in most 911 presentations.

here is the single screen capture you see of the tape in loose change, 911 road to tyranny and others - http://www.robert-fisk.com/tapebinladen.jpg

and here are pictures from the same video tape-
http://www.september11news.com/Dec13PentagonOsama.jpg
http://www.september11news.com/Dec13VideoOsama.jpg

while i believe its possible the video is a fake bin laden, i just dont think its very strong evidence in light of all the other Bin Laden connections we have proof of.
id like to hear other peoples opinions about this.

PS: i realized after the fact that my username is quite misleading. I am *not* a no-planer, I am robbie the video hoaxer who produced the fake beheading video.

they are just as relevant as any other LIE STORY the govt. is telling us. If there is anything found to be false of the theories the govt. supports, such as the Pentagon plane or the Shanksville plane, that means they have defended the real perps all the time, and that makes a damn good case for them to have done it themselves.

How much proof do you stooges need?

When one of the hijackers appear on screen,you can clearly see in the background the towers and in a leter segment the dust-collapse.

How is this possible, if the video was planned BEFORE 9/11???

Check out http://www.ditkannietwaarzijn.nl/?p=214

Regarding the 'fake' fat bin Laden video linked here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/2618 here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/3159 and here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/6317

I have just read your article:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html and this one: http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html

You might find this interesting: http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html ('Taking the fat out of the fat bin Laden confession video' by Ed Haas)

Even Islamists argue that it is real: http://revolution.thabaat.net/?p=791

But I write the below to show that this tape is still important in the media/government misinformation reporting:

We may have been duped on the "Fatty Bin Laden" front. HOWEVER, The problem is that knowing the video is REALLY Bin Laden doesn't "hurt" anything for us. Once you dig into it, you actually see how audio was manipulated and frames were missing or deleted.

Many experts have come to that conclusion. THAT is why they don't want attention on it. They don't want questions into... 1) what sting operation was going on and why does the camera pan in third person?
1a) Sting operation: so they knew where he was but chose to let him go and invade anyway.
2) If it was a sting or information gathering session, where did Osama go, and what was the nature of the operation.
3) What was REALLY discussed on the film, and who was responsible for the false interpretation.
4)Why the vague description and cutaways when discussing relevant parts.
5) And my personal observed anomaly....who or what is "MOTHER".
6) The taping was a sting operation that involved U.S. and Saudi and/or Pakistani intelligence – which means that the United States had Osama bin Laden in its sights prior to the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan but passed on capturing or killing him in favor of invading. This is paramount! If bin Laden would have been captured or killed prior to the invasion of Afghanistan there would have no justification remaining to invade Afghanistan. If the independent media can further substantiate the actual taping date and that the taping was indeed part of a sting operation – what we will have on our hands is a provably case of high treason against the Bush Administration that will not be easily dismissed.
We gotta stop hanging this one out there, Mike Rivero and many others were wrong on this, but it doesn't change anything. It's proven misinfo and the new facts should be focused on.
It may be real, and Osama may be real in it. However, this still remains a problem regarding it - Osama is real but audio is wrong, video is chopped, etc.

Regarding the controversial above tape, on December 20, 2001, German TV channel “Das Erste” broadcast its analysis of the White House’s translation of the videotape. On the program “Monitor”, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House’s translation to be not only inaccurate, but also manipulative saying “At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic” and that the words used that indicate foreknowledge can not be heard at all in the original Arabic.

Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg said “The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.”: http://web.archive.org/web/20021218105636/www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/beitraeg...

Researchers in Switzerland have questioned the authenticity of the recent audio recording attributed to Osama Bin Laden: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm

Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini stated: “This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.”

Even if we were wrong on this one, there is STILL overwhelming evidence that this tape has been misused (as shown in bits by the media and government) based on the above, even if it is genuine - but the new evidence is when it is watched in full.

"Truth Does Not Fear Investigation No Matter Who It Offends"

http://www.geocities.com/louisdkrauss/911.html