WeAreChangeLA brings 9-11 Truth in a big way to anti-war rally in Los Angeles
Katy Mon, 10/12/2009 - 12:55pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAzeStg7ErM
WeAreChangeLA...
http://www.meetup.com/wearechangela
brings 9-11 Truth in a big way to anti-war rally in Los Angeles. Somewhere between 40 and 50 members of WACLA showed up, all of whom were holding 9-11 Truth signs or were helping to hold our massive blue banners. We had more participants than any other organization.
9-11 Truth is the strongest way to bring an end to the current wars in the Middle East - wars which are slaughtering millions of innocent people.
Camera and Edit - Steve Wright
- Katy's blog
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BRAVO WeAreChangeLA!
"9-11 Truth is the strongest way to bring an end to the current wars in the Middle East - wars which are slaughtering millions of innocent people"
GET OUT THERE AND EDUCATE AND EMPOWER THE ANTI-WAR/PEACE MOVEMENT.
Better
and better interviews, signs, talking points! Great Job WACLA !
Anti-War Rally
Like Webster Tarpley says, "the 9/11 truth movement is the anti-war movement for thinking people".
But, let us not forget that Webster Tarpley ...
... has been widely discredited for attacking 9/11 Truth activists as well as peace activists a few years back. He has slandered respected activists such as Cindy Sheehan, whom he called a "wretched liar," and tried to tar and feather Truth Action (the most successful International street campaign for 9/11 Truth) by comparing its members to Al Qaeda. For details, see these stories: Go Here
So, I for one don't give a flying !@#$% what Webster Tarpley says or thinks about the anti-war movement no matter how many films Alex Jones puts him in.
But I do applaud the direction you raise :-)
Forgive and...
Many people are aware of Webster's slander of those honorable folks you mention, and there is no excuse for what he did. The feeling of betrayal they must have felt is absolutely expected and understandable; however, his words had little effect because Cindy and Cosmos have persevered on their high ground. The 9-11 Truth movement is a major part of the peace movement, so as members we must be able to forgive and move on. Tarpley learned his lesson, and he has never done it again. To progress as a movement we must learn to focus on the positive strides we are making, and use the negative blow-ups only as reminders for what not to do. rather than as reasons to hate in perpetuity. Cosmos and Tarpley are a 1000x more powerful together as allies in the movement than as vengeful foes.
Onward and upward,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
In a movement...
Where credibility means everything, second, third, and fourth chances are mostly non-existent. Tarpley never even apologized for his actions. The people in the movement I trust are those who learn from their mistakes. Not those who repeatedly make them. Not only did he call me, Cosmos, Michael Wolsey, Arabesque out as "COINTELPRO" on a stage in New York City during an anniversary, he had a professional cartoon artist draw up a "political cartoon" depicting most of those people as such. He shouldn't be anywhere near anything related to 9/11 Truth.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
I agree he should have at the very least apologized.
This is where egos get in the way sometimes.
Some humility in the movement would go a long way to patch things up and move ahead more productively.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
The definition...
Of insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. Giving a voice to Webster Tarpley again would be an insane mistake.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Tarpley
may have ulterior motives.
His attacks on Cindy, Cosmos.... are to say the least uncalled for.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Last time
I heard Tarpley he was singing Cindy Sheehan's praises.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CDT14ICE4E
PLEASE STOP...for just a moment...
Before moving to Kingston, WA to help my ill daughter raise my fantastic grandaughter Evelyne "Boo", I lived in New Hampshire for the previous 30 years...in part of which Tarpley was LaRouche's campaign manager. So please hear me very, very, very, very well...and hear me without considering one single word regarding 9/11 Truth, or World Peace, or ANYTHING ELSE to do with this site. Just STOP...with the 9/11 stuff!
At the end of Tarpley guiding LaRouche in the New Hampshire Presidential Primary Politics for primary after primary after primary...the common reaction to any LaRouche's campaign personnel knocking on doors of New Hampshire citizens was...
THE DOOR BEING SLAMMED SHUT IN THEIR FACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, forget ALL the minuae that is on this thread regarding Tarpley THIS...and Tarpley THAT...
His record of dealing with the public...and his record of WHOM he considers a viable candidate...and his record of selling books...and his record of perceiving what's real and what's NOT...says it all!
I wrote Cindy a while back after the Kennebunkport fiasco and made the following suggestion to her...and I also make it to ALL Truthers around the world...
If Webster Tarpley is involved...YOU shouldn't be!
Sometimes things are really simple...and this is one of them.
love, peace and progress...and
...9/11 TRUTH for World PEACE...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
Puget Sound's "Port of Peace"
Don't stop the movement
"So, forget ALL the minuae that is on this thread regarding Tarpley THIS...and Tarpley THAT..."
I agree, but I suppose minutiae regarding your relatives nicknames, time spent in New Hampshire etc. is a different matter?
Tarpley has worked for decades exposing covert operations .. his books are seminal, and his progressive views more closely resemble the likes of Cynthia McKinney than the dreaded Lyndon LaRouche (not that I understand, or care about, the hatred many Americans have for him).
Webster Tarpley is one of the truth movement's greatest assets.
"Sometimes things are really simple...and this is one of them."
I would be interested to hear your views on my post below, 'Confirmation With A Vengeance'. It explains how the Kennebunkport 'fiasco' was (behind all the chatter) actually a remarkably prescient warning.
Who would know?
Cosmos brought up this Tarpley controversy with me a year and a half ago, but otherwise I've never heard of much or seen much of this controversy, and I think that goes for most of us. So why bring it up in the comments of a report on a really positive action? (the huge WACLA representation of 9-11 Truth at a large anti-war rally in Los Angeles - just so we don't forget)
The fact that most of us would never know the details of the controversy if nobody brought it up goes to show that it may be time to move on. Again, I am not trying to minimize the betrayal that anyone feels when they are made of fun of, but we can't afford to be overly sensitive when the future of the world is at stake.
The vast majority of us are all volunteers, and so none of us have much tolerance for being disrespected in any amount, but we all need to learn not to dwell on having our feelings hurt. Suck it up and move on. A family can not survive if it's members hold permanent grudges against each other. Express your disapproval and whether or not you get an apology, you move on. Your words will have their effect.
None of us are perfect. We all make mistakes. We learn from our mistakes and keep moving forward. Bringing up divisive altercations from years ago is in itself divisive, but it's divisive in the present.
We have 9-11 victims and their family members to be concerned with. We have 9-11 First Responders - victims of the deathly dust at Ground Zero - betrayed for their heroics. We have the victims of torture. We have the millions of victims of unjust wars currently in the Middle East and elsewhere - they have met brutal deaths.
The 9-11 Truth movement can't afford any self-proclaimed victims within our ranks. Again, I am not minimizing anybody's feelings. I am just asking people to stay focused on the goal. Toughen up.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
P.S. I finally found that political cartoon. If I had happened to come across it on my own without knowing what it was about, then I would be a bit confused. It's not a good cartoon. The only person it seems to show is Wolsey, and it's not damning as far as I can see. No one knows who Arabesque is, so no harm done. That's the advantage of hiding behind an alias. Actually, someone who didn't already know that Arabesque was an unknown person's alias would be confused as to why the word Arabesque was written on the black hood.
Its not so simple Bruno.
I agree forgiveness and looking at the big picture is important.
However Tarpley made VERY SERIOUS FALSE allegations against Cosmos (one of the founders of the Truth Actions on the 11th of every month) AND Never Apologized for it.
It is understandable some of us have some misgivings about him.
He has done some good work in the past. However Jon is right when he talks about credibility and consistency issues with Tarpley.
All some of us are urging is to exercise extra caution.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Concentrate on being productive...
One of my primary points that I'd like to make is for everybody to concentrate on being productive. Creating positive is the best way to counter negatives.
"All some of us are urging is to exercise extra caution." That would be great if it were put that way, but I see efforts to bring issues some people are troubled by to the forefront as if that's going to help the 9-11 Truth movement. Let's not stir up garbage in the comments of every positive action. I urge all of us to exercise caution in this regard. There seems to be the same folks going on the attack again and again. That's troubling.
One of my other primary points is to recognize what happened and to move on. If that sort of thing pops up its ugly head again, then you deal with it. Let the pattern form, and you won't have to try hard to get people to see what's going on. We dealt with someone in Los Angeles, and I did not go around telling everyone (I told some people, but not everyone) what he did. I just dealt with him each time, and kept record of the situation. I did what you just said, I urged caution until others could see for themselves what this guy is about, but I did not ever call him out in a public forum about things from the past <-- that's destructive to the 9-11 Truth family, and it's just not necessary. Give him enough rope, and he will hang himself. That's what happened. On the other hand, if he changes his ways and chills out on the BS, then we all win.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
Confirmation With A Vengeance
I wonder what you think about this?
"The preliminary verdict of history is now in, and establishes the Kennebunkport Warning as one of the most remarkable successes of open source intelligence forecasting in recent decades."
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=6063
Answer
Go to http://answer.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANS_homepage to see when the next anti-war event will be near you. Sign onto their email alert list. Look for other anti-war organizations to get their schedules.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org
Great leadership WAC-LA...
Just some workable comments and statements that hit home when I'm out with my 9/11TRUTH for World PEACE bannerings:
...9/11 Truth IS a Peace Movement...
...9/11 Truth is THIS CENTURY'S Peace Movement
...No 9/11-No Wars...
...Cheney-Bush lied about 9/11 too!
...Busch-Cheney lied...people died...in the World Trade Centers...
[hold off about people dying at the Penatgon to keep it simple and far less controversial...for now]
...9/11 was a FALSE-FLAG-OPERATION...
[and explain what that means to the peace activists...they are most likely unaware of the term...]
And, its always good to try to tie in 9/11 as a false-flag attack...
...just like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident that never happened...
...and even that FDR and the Navy KNEW about the attacks on Pearl harbor before it happened...
[If anyone asks where to zone in on Pearl Harbor and where to get some background, send them to C-SPAN and have them search for Robert Stinnett. He gives a powerful speech about his research and his book.]
...please be POSITIVE...exactly like Katy was..."its good to see"... people understanding more about what 9/11 means to the ILLEGAL wars...
...continue to bring all changes to the USofA civil rights back to the events on 9/11...
...put out that the anthrax attacks happened with military grade anthrax tracked down to Fort Deitrich [sp] the Pentagon's bio-warfare facility...
...inform peace activists that the Pentagon spends more on WARRING than the entire rest of the world combined...and let them know that both 9/11 AND World Peace run right through the Pentagon...
A BIG ONE...our two movements MERGING or INTERSECTING at the malfeasances and abuses at Pentagon is a HUGE-HUGE-HUGE common denominator between us!
[Peace activists will not know about the Pentagon budget...NOR...will they know that we feel it was a Pentagon-Military-Intel opertion all the way designed so that we WOULD have areason to go to war....they think its just the oil etc. ]
Believe it or not, the Peace Community is amazingly underinformed...about the ONE thing that they should be most informed about [at least this is what I'm getting from the streets]
[BTW...for me, the old peace activists are the SECOND most difficult people to educate about 9/11-or much else for that matter. The only more difficult group is the whacky right wing and desparate military types...]
Someday we will have DVDs to hand out that have "Why We Fight" and "Sir, No Sir" [and/or other good war and peace DVDs] along with any good 9/11 DVDs [of one's choice] to hand out at these peace rallies.
And when THAT happens...BAM...another BIG plank is put into place on the bridge between 9/11 Truth and the People of Peace...and then it will go VIRAL...big time!
I'm glad that Katy was using the bullhorn on the motorists passing by and NOT using it TOWARDS peace activists. In using this tactic, Katy is informing the public the same way that the people of peace do...BUT...the people of peace are hearing what Katy was saying...without having to acknowledge this. They are eavesdropping...and we just need to raise the bar and NEVER confront people of peace negatively...only politely inform them...from the sidelines if neccessary...
Now, here is another thing that will happen as we get more "9/11 Peace footing" at these events...some snarly person of peace? will eventually confront you in negative ways...and PRESTO...you have just exposed the cointelpro-disinfo infiltrators in those peace groups...and...
...be pretty clever in how to deal with these types because they are MASTERS at deceiving and manipulating "their own" without being detected...BUT...our cointelpro-disinfo "radars" are really pretty damned good...soooo...
I recommend that you just draw these types into their justifications that they use against us...feed them all the rope you can...keep THAT conversation going as long as possible [and as politely as possible] and then lay out some fo the basic stuff that I have noted above.
The goal is NOT to influence THIS person...but to get other people of peace who are listening-observing to watch and hear the discussion.
TRUST...that the average person of peace will "hear" what you are saying because its NEW...and because we do not insist that anyone believe us...but to do their own research and considerations...
Now, why does all this make sense?...BECAUSE...the people of peace have been TOLD and DIRECTED by the higher authorities in the peace movements to close their minds.
Again...TRUST...the average person of peace to observe this difference...and then they will be a bit more open minded for our messaging.
NO MATTER WHAT...leave the Alex Jones bedside manners about winning friends and influencing people back in Texas.
And I FIRMLY dissagree with David Slesinger's idea that we behave so "badly" towards people of peace that we get arrested! Please do not do this...we are doing pretty damned well without this extreme tactic developed in the LAST CENTURY.
Please do not confuse my position here...when it comes time to do CD if required...and to be arrested for productive or desparate reasons...you all will be standing behind me in the line. Been there-done that...
Once again...WAC-LA is showing us the way...GREAT JOB!!!
love, peace and progress...and
...its time to consider that what we are up to is:
9/11 TRUTH for World PEACE
stretch the dialogue...expand the vision...join the rest of the world...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
You Can Say That Again...
"[BTW...for me, the old peace activists are the SECOND most difficult people to educate about 9/11-or much else for that matter."
"[BTW...for me, the old peace activists are the SECOND most difficult people to educate about 9/11-or much else for that matter."
Wonderful ! ..... Thanks. :]
WacLA , American Patriots for Truth, Peace and Justice, setting the standards of action! Showing us how the 9/11 Truth is done! :]
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Thank you WACLA! Damn Good Job!
That was an excellent video showing a diverse group of courageous, informed, impassioned, rational citizens speaking out for what they believe in. I am always inspired by the actions of WACLA. I love the way your members illustrate the essential connection between 911 Truth and the antiwar movement. Thank you for your hard work.
Well done. Just a little question on who died in WTC 7.
John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE
bonsoir ,
well done the guys.
In the past I have heard that there were dead people in WTC 7 but I have never managed to have some names.
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=1W1GGIE_fr&q=wtc+7+dead+confirmed&...
in the video at mark 3.09 a woman says that some people died in WTC 7. Does she have any names for us. It is important because the crime scene is not the same and the FBI have different procedure obligations to respect in the case of someone losing their life.
Yours
John
About who died in WTC7
I wish I had names. Barry Jennings testifies that after the explosions that took out floors 6 & 7, forcing them back up to the 8th floor, and while they were being led out of the lobby, they were stepping over bodies and told not to look down. I can guess that those bodies were living people until the explosions described by Jennings killed them, but I don't know this for sure. This is all the information I have.
I mention that people died in building 7 while bullhorning, because it gets peoples attention. If you have more information I would love to hear it.
Truth, Justice, Peace & Freedom
Katy
WeAreChangeLA
Something is not right
Have someone lie on the floor 10 feet in front of you. Look straight ahead. Do you see them? Now walk toward them. At what point do you not see them?
Could you step over bodies without looking down?
Could you step over bodies without looking down?
Like Willy says, " What's the first thing you do when someone tells you not to look back? You look back, right?"
Truth, Justice, Peace & Freedom
Katy
WeAreChangeLA
Thank You, We Are Change
Just want to say thank you to all the We Are Change groups. You should have received serious consideration for the peace prize that went to the president, erroneously.
I am/was a member of the so-called peace movement. I spent time in county jails and prison for protests. That doesn't make me a spokesperson, but maybe I do have some right to make a comment.
My comment would be that I truly do not understand why the peace movement does not embrace 9/11 Truth. I wish I had some "insider knowledge" about why. To me it is as mysterious as why the Democratic Party is not more courageous and bold.
I just don't know.
But the good news is We Are Change.
Far out.
Mike Palecek
Sheldon, Iowa
Mike, its pretty simple, but politically and personally caustic
A person of peace is a person of peace on earth. This is why Joan Baez dropped back from the USofA's peace movements...because those folks really were only interested in THEIR children not dying in wars...and not WARRING in general.
So, a TRUE peace movement would have expressed concern about wars and killing women and children ANYWHERE at ANYTIME for ANY REASON around the world.
However, during the time periods when the USofA was not contemplating or conducting one of its "public wars", TRUE peace movements SHOULD HAVE spoken up against ANY warring or occupying situations in ANY location on planet earth...but they DIDN'T!
The peace groups in the USofA went silent between our "public wars"...[as though the ONLY real human being was a citizen of the USofA...]
...And of course, by neccessity of...protecting the REVISED history "texts" being printed in TEXAS...and the "white man's lore"...indigenous Native Americans were certainly not considered amongst this group called 'humans'...
Which means that...
THE MOST CRITICAL...constant and ongoing warring and occupation issue that has been at the TOP of the list in world affairs over the last 40-50 years or so...was never addressed WHEN...it should have been.
...its the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...ALL war-ALL the time....ALL occupation-ALL the time...
But NARY A WORD from the peace movements in the good ole USofA...for FOUR DECADES...because they were compromised from the top down...
...and its as simple as that...
Eventually the 9/11 Truth Movement will get around to dealing with Israel's worst elements...but for now...having coherent people like yourself totally confused about what's REALLY going on is good enough for them...you, and others...Chomsky and Zinn for example...are nothing more than naive' gatekeepers from the TRUTH...
[although Chomsky both knows and plays his role quite well...indeed...]
But of course...this is not good enough for me...and certainly not good enough THOUSANDS of 9/11 Truthers around the WORLD who DO NOT have their media hacked by...HMMM...guess who?
love, peace and progress...and
9/11 TRUTH for World PEACE
Mike, this century's coffee smells pretty damned good as far as I'm concerned...you should take a sniff sometime...it will free your soul.
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA
Puget Sound's "Port of Peace"...
What mystery?
'To me it is as mysterious as why the Democratic Party is not more courageous and bold.'
No mystery there: To be 'more courageous and bold' would mean jeopardizing the Democrats' ability to raise large sums of money from those interests who like them just as they are and want them to stay that way.
Excellent
Great job.
Well done LA, well done.
Well done LA, well done. Those banners are awesome.
http://www.wearechangevancouver.org
"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." --Henry Kissinger
Katy,
pls let me know what you think about this elizabeth kucinich vid with map
sugarcoated 9/11 truth with map added at the end
here at 911blogger were in a hard core of researchers of a certain set of topics- it might seem repetitive to send a simple message to the public but i believe someone completely new to this needs a hook- a pretty face, a catchline, a videogenic clip
Re: Elizabeth in this clip.
Douglas,
My good computer is down so I'm sorry to say that I'm unable to view this video as it was intended, but I did hear the audio. I like Elizabeth. I've seen her asked about 9/11 a few times. She seems consistent with her message that we are being lied to about 9/11 and we need the truth and justice.
I'm not sure what you're asking exactly.
Truth, Justice, Peace & Freedom
Katy
WeAreChangeLA
Enough of the Farrakhan already
Nearly every post on blogger is being spammed by Douglas Hilton
Farrakhan as far as I'm concerned is a charismatic leader, his information is culled from many sources including far right racists, personally I don't need charismatic leaders and I'll do my own research, we are our own leaders, this kind of worship is what we, the human race, should be moving away from in our (r)evolution.
Ok Doug you've made your point (too many times IMO) it's getting boring.