We Have Been Reduced To A Theory

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Hopefully someone will be recording it...

Go, Jim!!! Kick some serious derriere!

"Go, Jim!!! Kick some serious derriere!"

How come we never see you in the spotlight?

who's got a tv to watch it live?

What are they thinking?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2277743&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

He has logged 80 fundraisers so far this election cycle, bringing in more than $24 million, with the heaviest campaign travel still to come.

That was on August 5th.

Just started

These air marshals don't understand that their bosses aren't very worried about Islamic terrorism.

Don't they ever wonder why?

if fetzer doesn't mention building 7 ,somethings up.

I don't get or can't find CNBC... what's going on?

Interesting start. Beginning the show with a story about air safety. Air Marshals are coming out saying if things do not change in the way Air Marshal's are identified, another 9/11 could happen.

"Interesting start. Beginning the show with a story about air safety. Air Marshals are coming out saying if things do not change in the way Air Marshal's are identified, another 9/11 could happen."

AAAAAHHHHH!!!

I hate fear mongering.

Fetzer up now

I hope fetzer makes a conscious attempt to rein in the jabba the hut tics and postures.

Showing Clip of Stone's WTC. The clip everyone is talking about.

Oooh Jabba No Barga.

WTC 7? Anyone?

Colin, he had a freaking stroke or something dude.

Buildin Fucking Seven .

Doh! Just made the cell phone arguement.

shoot the messenger...

at least this guy is giving him a chance to speak... he's hit FBI, flight manifests, PNAC, etc...

staw man arguements.whywhywhywhywhywhy??????????????

Son of a bitch

Alex Jones to be on Mike Malloy tonight (8/8).In the next hour or so just announced!

Alex Jones is on Malloy RIGHT NOW -- only for 25 minutes.

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

Malloy and Alex. This is f-ing heaven.

good point. Wish Fetzer had addressed that.I say this at the risk of being labelled a Fetzer basher , I know:)

Just don't understand why not make WTC7 first priority talking point when is our turn to speak.

Malloy wanted to talk about Galloway (great stuff, btw), but Alex immediately changed the subject to 9/11. Excellent.

the commissions lack of credibility ,that is.

Thats funny! That many posts at once about the same thing.

air craft marshalls won't talk on TV and they wonder why no one has come forward about 9/11

Jones KICKING ASS right now. Firing off evidence.

Sometimes Alex gives too much evidence at once.

"I fear that the thermite evidence may be spun as a result of the clean up."

NEVER FEAR!

I FOUND AND HAVE POSTED THE IMAGE OF MOLTEN METAL AT GROUND ZERO BEFORE THE CLEAN UP, AT MY SITE. I SENT IT TO PROF. JONES WHO UTILIZED IT IN HIS PP PRESENTATION AT THE ALEX JONES SYMPOSIUM.

SEE IT AT:

http://www.explosive911analysis.com/

Damn, Alex is on a ROLL and Malloy is just letting him talk. Love it.

Lets contrast and compare Fetzer and Alex's styles.

His is "kicking butt", I agree. Just kind of overdosing on information.

All things being equal, WTC 7 is clearly the strongest evidence.

It is obvious to the untrained eye.

It is obvious to the expert eye.

It is visceral.

It is the window into reality.

The time is coming when we will be forced to push this as the key component of the movement.

The other stuff may be convincing to those in the know, but WTC 7 is the only way to reach the everyday Joe.

I am tired of waiting for this to become the focal point.

Yeah, T-Bone -- I'm overwhelmed, having trouble keeping up and I ALREADY KNOW a lot of this stuff. But, hey, Alex Jones has his websites and people on the fence might travel over there.

Shit. We'll blog Malloy tomorrow, promise!

from the "myspace mailbag"...

Very important infos on supporting "L o o s e C h a n g e"

Hello,

I saw that you are on Dylan Averys friend list, so I thought I should send this important message to you. Like you, Im also a big supporter what Dylan is doing. And very frustrated with what this administration has done to this country and continue manipulating the public. I could go on and on. But Im sure you already know and heard it all before. Many had said it so well over the web. So let me get to the point. Loose Change was definitely an eye opener for lots of people including me of course. Im sure not everything in the movie is right on the money. But one thing for sure is that many questions need to be answer by our government. The problem here is that even though Loose Change has a big following throughout the web. I still believe we are only reaching a very very small percentage of our population. Mainstream media, reporters and journalists will never get anywhere near this issue. When they do, its more than likely to trash the story or call anyone who questions the official story a conspiracy theorist. Why cant they spend more than a minute to have a serious open discussion about what might be the biggest cover up in history instead of spending months on a rape case, kidnapping case or whos getting pregnant. Well we all know the answer. I think it is very important to have the whole country or the whole world to see Loose Change. I think in order to force the media to talk about it; we need to create headlines we need to create a phenomenon. We already have marches from different 9/11-truth convention throughout the country. And this year anniversary well have the biggest gathering on ground zero. We should have the biggest media coverage there. But not everyone is going to make it to NY on 9/11. Well even if we cant be there we could still show our support somewhere else. Okay, this is what we are going to do. On the EVE of September 11, we will have as much 9/11-truth seekers as possible throughout your state, your county, or your city, wherever it may be. We are going to put up See Loose Change Roadside Memorial everywhere. I mean everywhere. Street corners, busy intersections, local plaza, anywhere you think people will have a good five seconds to see it. (Remember please be caution when you are putting them up, we want safety first, dont want to see anybody get hurt). The memorial will be a 6-8 ft tall red cross with big white www.seeloosechange.com link on it. You could see the pictures I have posted here. I made mine using two PVC, a PVC cross joint, few red poster board (the cross body), white letter (cut from any paper), glue (to glue the letters onto the cross), clear packing tape (to tape over the letters and all the red to make it somewhat waterproof), stapler (to staple the front and back together). Using these materials will make the cross light and portable than using wood. Although it does take some time to put together. Probably would be easier to put two pieces of plywood together, spray paint it red and spray white letters on it. If we all could make at least 5-10 of these crosses and spread them out like WILDFIRE. On the day of September 11, 2006, everybody will be waking up to Loose Change everywhere. Eventually local media has no choice and needs to talk about. Especially when they find out this is not a local story but a national one. They need to realize how many people and why so many people are demanding answers. I dont know how much coverage, any coverage, how long or at all they will talk about it. But I know one thing for sure is that if we dont try we wont know. If the media still turn their back on us, we still got Loose Change exposed to half of the country or more. I know most of us we care about this country and wanted to do something about this issue and felt powerless. We like to talk about it, debate about it and get angry about it. But then we dont do anything about it. We cant change unless we stand and find ways to change. We are all creative human being. Everybody is good on something. Some of us we just dont know it. There are always ways to out smart a system. We need to keep finding, keep trying and keep on thinking. This may be a bad example but remember the movie Revenge of the nerd. Government=Jocks. Anyway, this will be something we all could do. Remember those days after 9/11 how almost every household had an American Flag out. We need to create the same effect with every 9/11-truth seekers. So forward this to every 9/11 TRUTH supporter that you know, from MYSPACE to FRIENDSTER to any PRIVATE messaging. And to any friends and families that understand what we are trying to accomplish. This is a small effort with a big reward if we all take part. Again, deep down in my heart, please please take this one seriously. Dont just read it and ignore it. Everybody needs participate. We have a month to get as much people as possible. And on 9.11.06 we want to see the whole country cover with red crosses (imagine that). Thank you so so much for reading this. Now lets get the word out. Remember if we dont try we wont know.

P.S. for everyone who had received this message please send me a reply or add me as friend or leave me a comment telling me you will be a part of this so I could have a counter.

P.S. using the Red Cross has nothing to do with religions. Please dont make this a religions issue. The cross brings attention and represents urgency. The cross needs to get notice.

Sincerely,
Eighteen25

http://www.myspace.com/eighteen25

Malloy just took the talk to BLDG 7. Nice.

Malloy brings up WTC7 first, not Alex!

Malloy is focusing on WTC7 -- this is good.

Then make a definitive movie about building seven and put it on youtube or something. MAKE it the issue.

Bldg 7 evidence now being fired out by Jones. A little slower now so people can keep up.

that was for anonymous who wants 7 focus.

Aj:

Is that your site? Great stuff!!!

I cannot connect to Mike Malloy

Jones is killing!

http://a1493.l2014847196.c20148.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1493/20148/v0001...

try that CB

Alex is going into way too much detail on the demolition issue, but hasn't even mention thermate.

What video of seven's collapse was shown by Jones at the LA symposium , I seem to remember seeing explosions rip up th side of the building?

Malloy is asking Alex to focus after the break on what people can do with this knowledge.

Also from the myspace mailbag.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=73629287...

Who Flew Flight 77?

Yeah, Alex is rambling off lots of details... and it is hard to follow, especially for a newbie I suspect. But think about it -- this is Air America Radio and Alex Jones is reaching a heck of a lot of people right now -- liberals, no less. I think this is good, regardless of how much better it might be presented (more focus, less detail).

Jones is getting very good points in and he is very calm. He had to get a lot in for malloys listeners it is only a 25 min seg.
I think Malloy is mihop, maybe not on record but he's on Air America so as long as he keeps having Mihop guests thats fine with me:)

Exactly. Air America listeners are a little sharper than Fox viewers. I'm sure they can keep up.

Connect at WKOXAM.com

Malloy sets up the next segment: What can americans do next given that everything we've been told sind 9/11 has been a lie!

Malloy tells it like it is!

I hope Terrence gets his fat, paranoid ass handed to him in a sling.....again.....

I was checking google video for LC2E position (#61 going down) when I happened upon this gem:

Gay Referee
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6428233108896679183

Sometimes we all need a laugh

Thank you Anonymous!
Much appreciated.

'Aj:

Is that your site? Great stuff!!!"

Thanx!

The white smoke (aluminum oxide)evident in so many of the images is the virtual smoking gun for the use of thermite.

The towers were just spewing this stuff in so many of the images and it totalyy contrasts with the black smoke fom any of the fires.

"I was checking google video for LC2E position (#61 going down)"

LC2E is actually ranked 12 right now on Google, and has been as high up as 2 recently. It is titled "911 Cover Up" on Google Video.

vigilo | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 11:31 pm | #

That's a better statement then "I believe what I have been told happened"

than*

Malloy just told a caller he doesn't know what he believes, BUT he DOES NOT believe the official story.

Constructive advice for Jim Fetzer

Good job in selecting three strong points and tightening up the account of the Mineta testimony. However, the presentation of PNAC needs to be likewise abreviated so as to get to the Pearl Harbor punchline quickly, before it gets cut off as happened tonight. Something like, "The PNAC document laid out an ambitious plan for world domination, but they knew the American public would not support it absent a catalyzing event such as a new Pearl Harbor."

I think it would be a good idea to avoid the issue of the cellphone calls in a venue such as this.

My key point is to never speculate when challenged to explain things you can't prove, such as how the planes made it to their targets. Instead, go for the following killer comeback: "We don't know, but that might be learned at trial. Various legal experts who have looked at the case have concluded there is ample evidence for successful prosecution of the perpetrators for misprision of treason."

he's the worst. he repeats the same crappy evidence every time. cell phones, norman mineta, blah, blah, blah. i think he's an agent. why doesn't he hand off one of these interviews to one of his more rational, well-spoken colleagues from the Scholars?

this motherfucker even mentioned the barbara olson austrian border bullshit story recently--and we're supposed to trust him!?

fuck fetzer

Give the listeners more credit. If he had done an Alex Jones and gotten 100 facts out in 3 minutes (Alex is a remarkable guy!) Fetzer would have come across as a conspiracy nutcase not a Prof. The public will be asking: "36%, no MSM coverage, where are they getting this from". People cannot be told they have to learn. Fetzer left them with nothing other than an urge to go found out more. The MSM will lose every time they try this game. Just watch the numbers go up.

Both Fetz and Bermas missed the boat on Building 7 - Bermas especially who was given it on a silver platter.

I share your frustration that he didn't bring up wtc7 but people on this thread are getting upset because he brought up the possibility that the planes were remotely controlled.

If they rule this theory out then they are, i think, accepting it was Islamic terrorists flying the planes.

That leads to LIHOP not MIHOP.....up to the point the planes hit the towers, at least.

As has been pointed out before LIHOP entails trusting Atta and his buddies would carry out the plan to the letter and not make a detour to crash the planes into the nuclear power station they, supposedly, flew over.

Why can't people understand that we are not in a position to present theories. We DO NOT KNOW what happened!

But what we do know is that the official version is a LIE! Disproving the OV is what we need to focus on...not what happened to the planes, passengers, thermite, etc...

It's a sad day when the only argument this movement focuses on is WTC7.

I did like Fetzer in that Austin Powers movie...

"I'm gonna eat ya..."

Is that what we've been reduced to? The WTC7 Movement?

In case you didn't notice, WTC7 being controlled demolition is a theory.

1000 theories don't make a fact.

They laugh at us for our theories. They run away from our facts.

Fetzer was more than once faced by the contention from Donny D that he must believe CIA agents were flying the planes....he had to say something to dispel this false aspersion.

To me, his answer was quite acceptable.

Hi sandy.

I think that people on this thread are mostly upset with Mr. Fetzer for not bringing up the subject of Building 7 when appearing on these mainstream TV news shows. As far as I know he never has. And Mr. Fetzer knows that most of us here believe Building 7 should be near the top (if not thee top) of the list when appearing on these TV shows to promote 9/11 truth, but he just ignores us. Instead he tells us to turn our frustrations toward Jim Hoffman???

I personally think he's been told by someone high up not to talk about Building 7 when in front of these large mainstream TV audiences. However, he could easily prove me wrong by talking about it during his next TV show appearance, but I doubt he will.

(If I'm wrong and Fetzer has mentioned Building 7 on a mainstream TV show, please correct me and post a link to some video)

I fail to see why people get upset when Fetzer brings up the theory that the planes were being piloted by remote control.

As far as I can make out there are only two possiblities.....

Either.....A suicide pilot was at the controls(presumably this wouldn't be an American/Western volunteer) or the planes were under remote control.

Am i missing something?

Fetzer... lol.

The funniest Donny Deutsch show I've ever seen:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/video/deutsch51205.wmv

Fetzer's best interview by far.

I think people need to calm down and chill out about Fetzer. Building 7 has been mentioned numerous times in interviews with 9/11 Truthers...so stop acting like it's never been mentioned before. And stop acting like it's the end of the fucking world everytime someone forgets to mention it.

thank you for some rationality Brian. people here just love to hate Fetzer.

Web Tarpley should be the #1 spokesman for the truth movement. Fetzer needs to be phased out. I have nothing against Fetzer personally, and definitely agree with his information presented, but public speaking is not his strength. It's not mine either, so I don't get involved in making speeches. Also, I'd like to see and hear a little more of David Ray Griffin.

why indeed did Fetzer bring up the remote controlled planes theory? that's just embarassing and makes us all look bad. the cell phone points I can live with because they are good points but not the best points. What we need is someone with the intelligence of Steven Jones combined with someone who can speak quickly and make concise points in the short time they are usually given to speak.
Who is that man or woman. Alex in my opinion is out because he does spend WAY to much time promoting himself and his videos. who is THE
PERFECT spokesperson for our movement?

180, you really think the "hijackers" were THAT good at flying those planes blind like that? personally, i dont.....

i don't tend to disagree with you on that Chris but saying something like that will turn allot of people off before they even consider doing the research.
people need to stick with the controlled demo. and the NORAD standing down etc. that will lend more credence to us because we can never really "proof" the "remote planes theory". We can and virtually have proved controlled demo.

why indeed did Fetzer bring up the remote controlled planes theory? that's just embarassing and makes us all look bad

makes us all look bad?
there are 3 choices.
1) the 4 boeings are indeed the planes in question and were indeed highjacked with box-cutters.
2) the 4 highjacked planes were substituted with remote controls including the anonymous drone #2.
3) there weren't really any planes and the one plane that we were shown on tv was merely a badly done image.

it must be one of these 3 options.
so. if you are still afraid of looking bad then you should find a new hobby.
_____

How does saying that remote controlled drones make us look bad??? james ha is correct: it must be one of three explanations - high jacked planes, remote control, or special effects 767 laid over the live CNN satellite feed. I lean toward the remote controled drones explanation. Give Fetzer a damn break. We must answer these quetions sooner or later anyway, We can't run from them because they "make the 911 truth movement look bad". We must step up to the plate. No hemming and hawing.

Good job professor, that was surely your finest appearance.

james ha | Homepage | 08.09.06 - 7:17 pm

remote control takeoffs and landings have been going on for the past thirty years man! old technology!

as i said before, i don't completely disagree with the "remote controlled planes" theory. I do believe that preaching this theory will not help our cause because we can't prove it. i understand the capability is there but telling someone this theory who needs convincing will not work. it will simply sound too preposterous. we need to stick to NORAD , controlled demolition etc. things that we can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt. thanks for your points however. i'm learning as i go along.
PEACE