Brilliant Tom T.--- this is the approach I've started using too. In my most recent post on my newspapers News Message Board, I asked "Will you believe the heroes of 9/11, the NYFD firefighters and first responders who reported explosions in the towers, or will you believe the fairy tale? I then made the 700 architects and engineers vs. 3 argument, and presented an abundance of reports backing up molten steel.

If you or anyone else here wants to take a peek at this thread, please do! Keep in mind this is tobacco road NC and I get a lot of snarkers who just can't psychologically deal with this type information. Still it has gotten over 300+ views and many onlookers are being exposed. (I already did a piece on the nano-thermite paper and one on Building 7). I am Twitching Lima.

http://discussions.reflector.com/read.php?3,70252

Ha!...I can sure tell some of the comments come from the south. I heared thot kynd of tak en East Texas two.

Slam Duncan! Lol.

Tom, I have recently had a sense of what you are describing here beginning to be possible due to the numbers of people who are now aware that the present official story has no real basis.

It is time to intelligently and civily ridicule OCTers for their allegiance to an impossible scenario, and unwitting or witting defense of those guilty of an atrocity.

We don't want to drive them even deeper into their bunkers of denial as then it will take that much longer to coax them out into the light of truth.

Always keep in mind that we are trying to negate and nullify the divide and rule paradigm, so we need to bring as many brothers and sisters along with us as possible. Eventually, only the few truly unreachable sociopaths will be left exposed and powerless.

Hearts and minds, brothers and sisters, we are struggling for the very soul of humanity.

So chide them in a friendly way if you must, no matter how nasty they are.

It's more challenging to counter them with humor and grace, anyway.

If you can't be friendly, than at least be civil and drop a ton of cold hard facts on their head before walking away.

Let's be the change we want to see in the world.

(End of sermon)

Cheers!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

LeftWright, I agree with your points.

One should never stoop to cruel ridicule and I did not intend to promote that in any way.

However, there is a place for pointing to the obvious and a little chiding to make it clear.

.

I added some truth to consider as well...

Peace all

dtg
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I didn't use one CD argument. :-P (I can and I will, but I don't have to)

The track record of the Bush administration is in a league of its own.

I think I like you, man. :)

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The truth about 9/11

I read with interest the letter from William Rice about 9/11 and the subsequent response from a reader to Rice's observations that discount all the facts that he presented. 9/11 discussions on op-ed pages rarely go well. One writer will offer an observation and then another will claim that observation to be absurd. This was exactly the case last week. No matter what fact you may present that shows the official version of events to be dubious, you will almost certainly be called a conspiracy theorist, or worse. TV personality and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck recently lumped those of us who claim to be part of the 9/11 Truth Movement in the same category as James W. Von Brunn, the man accused of murdering a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. It's a strange leap of logic, but 9/11 discussions rarely elicit logical thinking.

Here is a fact that we do know: All three buildings in New York collapsed at free fall speed. This is verified by both video footage and by seismic readings taken at Columbia University. The official version of events is that WTC 1 and 2 collapsed because fire from the jet collisions weakened the structure causing the top section to fall to the next lower level which collapsed. (WTC 7 is said to have collapsed solely from fires started by falling debris.) This is known as the pancake theory. Floor upon floor collapses to the level below all the way down.

But for this to happen at free fall speed, the laws of physics would have had to be suspended. The law of Conservation of Momentum says essentially that a motion will not change unless an external force acts upon it. Therefore, a moving object that encounters resistance will be slowed. Can you think of any instance where this wouldn't be true? So if the WTC buildings were pancaking down, they would have encountered resistance the entire route of descent. Free fall speed would have been impossible. The only possible explanation that would legitimize the pancake theory would be that resistance had been removed. Hmmm.

We don't know if the events of 9/11 were planned by anyone in government, or if they were executed by some entity outside government. We do know that the laws of physics can't be suspended. That should be enough to make anyone question the official version of events.

Larry Gilbert

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I tried posting at 4:20 PM EST and was given a notice that the post must wait for a moderator...perhaps because of length, or posting more than a set number of times. Here's what I left:

AMEC (CD part: Kingstar (7-7 & Pentagon)
Tully Construction (CD: Controlled Demolition Inc. ( WTC)

People involved with the "controlled cleanup":

Tully, Peter

(Tully Construction, subcontractor responsible for most excavation and trucking operations at the WTC. Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc.,Phoenix, Md, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995. Controlled Demolition is specialised in implosions of big towers, like i.e. the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.) (1)

Mason, Sir Peter

(Chief Executive of AMEC, involved in renovation of the wedge of the Pentagon, which was later hit. Hired for Controlled Clean-up of both Pentagon and WTC.
Among Clients: SAIC and Telcordia/Robert W. Lucky, member of ANSER Institute for Homeland Security since 1999)

Taylor, Ross

(Chief Executive Officer of the Bovis Lend Lease Real Estate Solutions. Bovis Lend was involved in the controlled cleanup of the WTC rubble and renovation of Hotel Millennium Hilton, NYC until May 2003. On October 30, 2001 Bovis announced their division of Bovis Lend Lease Pharmaceutical)

http://post911timeline.org/article006.htm

Tully Construction

When contacted by the American Free Press (AFPN) and asked, if they ever had seen concrete pulverized as it was in the WTC, they said: "No-never". "Tully said, that there were hot spots where he observed 'literally molten steel'...Everything that was above grade -above the 6th and 7th floor -disintegrated...it was like an explosion" (AFPN/08/26/02)
"We had 75 trucks leaving a day during the first few days," says Tully.
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:WJOS-g--M5oC:www.e...

Tully Construction of Flushing, NY is the only american-owned company who was hired for the "cleanup of Sep11th".
Earlier this year Tully received a contract by the MTA/New York City Transit Subway System in a joint venture with .J. Pegno of Flushing, N.Y., the project's general contractor. http://newyork.construction.com/NYCN/NYmay2002/feat2May...

Work includes 1,200 ft. of complete tunnel replacement, tunnel lighting and track and signal work. At Ground Zero Tully built concrete plugs to prevent dust and debris from further contaminating the entire line. "We used supersuckers in there to clean up the dust and debris. The plugs have since been removed," President Peter Tully noted. http://newyork.construction.com/NYCN/NYmay2002/feat2May...

Tully has been under a special monitoring arrangement with New York City since 1996; prior to that, it was banned from doing business with the city. Among conflicts it became embroiled in were complaints that it performed a shoddy job fixing up Brooklyn homes after a water main break. http://www.newsday.com/ny-queens25-7tullyconstruction.s...

Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc.,Phoenix, Md, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995. Controlled Demolition is specialised in implosions of big towers, like i.e. the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/control%20demoliti...

Controlled Demolition had their first implosions in the 70s and worked several times for the US or local governments.
In 1991 they imploded the Old Orlando City Hall in Orlando, Florida. http://www.controlled-demolition.com/cdi%20demolition.h...

In 1995 they imploded the Mendes Caldeira Building São Paulo Brazil(361 feet tall), as they say on their website, the "tallest standing concrete building ever felled with explosives". In 1998 they imploded a 439 feet, the "tallest structural steel building ever imploded"
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/controlled%20demol...

Controlled Demolition claims to have "a very small number of employees" and not much known is about their business profile. They work together with the The Loizeaux Family.
In February 2000, a federal grand jury indicted Mark Loizeaux, Douglas Loizeaux and Controlled Demolition, Inc. on charges of falsely reporting campaign contributions to the campaign of Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.).
The Baltimore Sun reported, that the illegal contributions allegedly occurred between 1996 and 1998. The Loizeaux brothers and CDI were acquitted in September 2000.
http://www.xenophilia.com/zb/zb0002/links73.htm

On the internet, houndred of websites speculate since September 2001 about a possible controlled demolition inside the Twin Towers with bombs. J. McMichael was one of the first dozen engineers, who tried to wonder about the collapse.

A very impressive and intense discussion currently continues at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/du...

Summary from 9/11 truth:

We would like to have public disclosure of the reasons for a $150 million pre-9/11 Pentagon renovation by AMEC Plc. of the same section of the Pentagon Wedge 1 which was later officially attacked.
AMEC was later also responsible for the removal of the rubble at Ground Zero and the Pentagon.
AMEC's auditor is KPMG. In June 2002, they hired former FBI IT chief Robert J. Chiaradio as managing director and lead advisor on homeland security.

Furthermore another cleanup company named Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc., Phoenix, MD, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995.
Controlled Demolition is specialized in implosions of big towers, like the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.
In May 2001, Controlled Demolition Inc. was involved in a controlled demolition of 2 Twin Gas Storage Towers in Queens, New York.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/317953.shtml