William Pepper Writes in Support of NYC CAN
By William F. Pepper
April 18, 2009
Many deeply concerned citizens of this Republic and the world have been engaged in tireless, multifaceted research and investigation about the events surrounding the 9/11 tragedy. These patriots have produced articles, essays, books and films that seek answers to the multitude of unanswered questions about this atrocity. Not having researched these questions myself and having no answers, when I have appeared before them I have encouraged the continuation of their valuable work as citizens of the Republic.
In their numbers are distinguished scientists, engineers, architects, professional people from all walks of life and families of victims who seek closure -- people for whose courage, determination, intelligence and steadfastness, I have boundless admiration. It was largely as a result of their efforts that a 9/11 Commission was established in the first place over the initial opposition of the Bush administration.
The failure of that Commission to seek, even address the critical questions is now a part of contemporary history. Former Georgia Senator, Max Cleland, resigned early on in disgust citing official obstruction. More recently, Co-Chairmen Kean and Hamilton, have themselves declared their awareness that their work was obstructed and denied valuable information, materials and evidence. Consequently, there is overwhelming agreement that the initial government sponsored investigation was a failure in respect of bringing truth about 9/11 to the light of day.
That is why a group of citizens in the City of New York, aided, supported and encouraged by citizens throughout the United States and the world (remember, 80 nations lost citizens in that attack) came together to mount an effort to put a Referendum question on the general election ballot for the consideration of the voters of New York City, seeking their approval for the establishment of a new, independent Commission to investigate all aspects of 9/11. The Commission will convene with a commitment to go where the facts lead, and they will have subpoena power to compel testimony under oath and full investigative and legal support staff.
I encourage all citizens, everywhere, to support the establishment of this Commission and its work.
The torch of leadership in this effort has recently been passed to the New York City Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN). Ted Walter, a key leader of last year’s petitioning effort, has taken on the task of directing NYC CAN through this initiative’s final phases. Reverend Frank Morales, himself a 9/11 First Responder, has assumed the position of Treasurer. I have met with Ted and Frank on several occasions and have the utmost confidence not only in their abilities, but also the direction in which NYC CAN and its stellar, still growing Executive Council are taking this fight.
That being said, it has come to my attention that many are concerned about how events that have already transpired might impact this effort as it moves ahead. Main points of emphasis are the validity of the more than 30,000 signatures already gathered and the composition of the Commission itself.
Regarding the signatures, I have to date heard only legal opinion confirming their continuing validity. Additionally, the 45,000 new signatures NYC CAN plans to collect in the coming weeks will, by themselves, be enough to clear any potential legislative hurdle to placing the referendum on the November ballot, and at the same time render as moot any possible scenario by which opponents of this initiative might seek to use the courts as a means of delaying the inevitable by challenging the existing signatures -- thus, the importance of supporting NYC CAN in this final push.
As far as the named Commissioners are concerned, we all understand that nobody will ever enjoy universal public support. I think I can speak for all of us when I say that any commitment, particularly one made so early-on in the process, to a cause of this magnitude is made with not only with the understanding of, but with respect for, the importance of this undertaking and the resolve to ensure its successful completion. I cannot imagine any among us who if, for any reason, were to become an impediment to the successful completion of our mission, would not recuse themselves. Were that ever to happen, I also see none among us who would not seek to relieve such an individual of their responsibilities.
I call on all those within sight and sound of this message to rally behind this effort and, in your thousands, to support it with massive numbers of volunteer workers and monetary contributions. I encourage you to visit www.NYCCAN.org and contribute now. History waits for no man.
Let us join our brothers and sisters in New York City and from the very belly of the beast, seek truth and justice.
W.F. Pepper
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Great Man, Great Comment.
Great Man, Great Comment. Great Ballot measure.
An interesting man indeed,
Found a YT video of him speaking about challenges faced by researchers and activists who get infiltrated.
Dr William F. Pepper on MLK Jr and the 9/11 Truth Movement
"...rally behind this effort...!!!"
90 SECOND VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAk9AdnYm68
"seminal" (definition)--> "containing or contributing the seeds of later development"
9/11 is the seminal event of our time. It is the event that should radicalize the people of this country. If any one event would, it is this one.
It is you who are the torch-bearers with respect to that truth. And you have to continue to bear that torch and try to get it into the mainstream, and not be discouraged when you don’t.
And not be discouraged when you get discredited, and when you get attacked and when you are ignored, because that is the nature always of prophesy and prophets in their own time.
I ask you not to mourn the passing of democracy and of liberty in this country. Don’t mourn it, because mourning takes energy. It is negative. Don’t mourn the passing of democracy – Organize. Organize to restore it wherever it is possible for you to do so.
Steel your spines.
Inspire your children. Then when the moment is right, rise again as though from the ashes, and rebuild this great land. --William F Pepper
Pepper has guts
and brains to boot.
A truly outstanding individual.
Concerns
>>"I cannot imagine any among us who if, for any reason, were to become an impediment to the successful completion of our mission, would not recuse themselves. Were that ever to happen"
Actually, that Edgar Mitchell has already impeded the mission is without question, so it is clear that the issue of recusal is not so simple and inevitable. He should have recused himself as soon as the questions and concerns began appearing all over this site and several others. And if the concerns of the activists in the movement do not count, what concerns do?
The other difficulty here is that by the time evidence of the "impediment" were to appear, say, when the NY Post publishes a screaming headline about the UFO commissioner, the damage is already done and cannot be undone by simply recusing.
Here's some damage already in the works:
Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years
Last updated at 1:44 AM on 24th July 2008
"He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astrona...
From his wikipedia page:
"Mitchell has publicly expressed his opinions that he is "90 percent sure that many of the thousands of unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, recorded since the 1940s, belong to visitors from other planets"[5] and that UFOs have been the 'subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn't come out'."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell
How is the person publicized for these types of claims not going to be an automatic anchor on this investigation? At best it is a distraction, at worst a grenade waiting for the pin to be pulled. His UFO section is larger than his Apollo section on his wikipedia page for a reason -- people get focused on the issue of UFOs and who does and doesn't believe and on and on. It will be a magnet for the debunkers. Why would he not recuse himself now?
>>"As far as the named Commissioners are concerned, we all understand that nobody will ever enjoy universal public support."
That's very different from what we're talking about with Edgar Mitchell. Many people have had and continue to have big concerns with him, just as they did with the involvement of Les.
And like clockwork, here it comes
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/ufo.conference/index.html
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
This is how they took out Kucinich
Russert administered the coup de grace himself before an audience of millions:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/31/kucinich-i-saw-a-ufo/
With Mitchell the new Commission is DOA.
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
Like clockwork, indeed
And it was like clockwork last year when the effort to get this initiative on the ballot was receiving a bit of local press in NYC. Right in the midst of that came a high profile piece on Mitchell (tied in with the X-Files sequel, if I remember correctly), announcing unequivocally that aliens are among us.
What is this guy doing on the list of commissioners in the first place? I don't recall him ever being involved with the 9/11 issue. What are his qualifications? He was an astronaut 40 years ago and currently speaks out about the alien presence on Earth whenever he gets a chance?
Something isn't right here and this letter does nothing to reassure me.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
I agree, YT
When you read the ballot initiative, it has obviously been crafted to fail at the polls, after a great deal of effort and money is put into it getting it there.
The only silk lining in this sow's ear will be if they can get enough signatures and get it on the ballot, and thus concretely demonstrate the public's desire for a new investigation. That will, however, be short lived when it goes down to defeat at the polls for a plethora of reasons.
The swiftboating of Sen. Kerry will seem like punting on the Thames compared to what the NY political hacks will do to this.
This may look like a hunting dog to some, but he won't catch anything and we'll get all wet pulling him out of the water.
I recommend steering donations to Richard Gage's efforts at the AIA convention at the end of this month.
I'm sorry to be negative, but this is just how I have felt ever since I first read the initiative over a year ago.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
News from AE911Truth :
News from AE911Truth : Special Thank You and the Next Step - Richard Gage, AIA
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Background
Thanks for this.
For a background on UFOs, please read Vallee's Messengers of Deception, Vesco's Man-Made UFOs, 1944-1994: Fifty Years of Suppression and a transcript of John Judge's 1989 radio interview on them from his book Judge for Yourself. Also, Dave Emory's Lecture: The Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon and the “ET” Myth is a great resource that can be found here: http://spitfirelist.com/?p=520
For a background on William Pepper's sometimes poor ability to identify disinformation, see:
From Peter Dale Scott's Road to 9/11, Introduction end notes:
"Most of what Pepper writes about army surveillance of King is documented and corroborated (cf. Steve Tompkins, "Army Feared King, Secretly Watched Him. Spying On Blacks Started 75 Years Ago," Memphis Commercial Appeal, March 21, 1993 [http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/1993/mar/21/army-feared-king-secretly-watched-him/]). Unfortunately, Pepper also transmitted the claim made to him that the 20th Special Forces Group had a sniper team in Memphis on April 4, 1968, to ensure that King was murdered. I believe from my own research that the sniper team story was disinformation from high sources in order to discredit Pepper. In particular, an alleged authorizing cable, citing Operation Garden Plot, is to a trained reader a self-revealing forgery."
From Lisa Pease's Real History Archives:
"Remember what happened to William Pepper? He believed some Ayers-like informants on the MLK case and made a central case against a former military man whom Pepper believed (and wrote) was then dead. So on national TV, what happened? The "dead" guy walked out onto the stage. His living didn't negate all of Pepper's work in reality. But in the popular mind? Pepper was the guy who had 'gotten it wrong' on TV. I fear strongly the same will happen to those who pursue this line of inquiry."
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2006/11/did-cia-kill-bobby-kenne...
Here are Lisa's comments regarding a disagreement between Peter Dale Scott and William Pepper at the Making Sense of the 60's conference in 2008:
http://www.blackopradio.com/black403b.ram
Her comments on Pepper begin at 23:30.
Here is an excerpt about William Pepper from Joan Mellon's talk from this same conference:
"A digression about sources. From about fifty hours of taped interviews, I could not use any of what a New Orleans figure named Gordon Novel told me. With a soldier of fortune named Gerald Patrick Hemming, the percentage of the truth to fabrication was 50-50. Knowing of my interest in Colombia, Gerry told he he had been imprisoned on Gorgona. (This was an island off the western coast of Colombia, named because of the preponderance of poisonous snakes wandering there. I didn’t believe him. This seemed like bragging. No, it turned out to be true. Smuggling drugs and not paying off the right people in Medellin, Gerry found himself on Gorgona.
Gerry told me that Robert Kennedy had addressed a group of Cuban exiles at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida in the summer of 1963. I needed corroborating witnesses; Gerry promised to name some, but couldn’t, and I broke off all contact with him. I forgot about this matter until a researcher named William Pepper told me the same story. His source, Pepper said, was an aging, very ill documentary filmmaker who had been a close friend of Robert Kennedy’s. He had won eight Emmys! Pepper said. And no, he couldn’t give me this dying man’s name.
As a film historian, I could reach any documentary filmmaker, and I called about ten people. None had ever heard the Homestead story. Then I contacted people close to Bobby Kennedy: Peter Edelman; John Seigenthaler; one of Robert Kennedy’s daughters; Ed. Guthman; Frank Mankiewicz; George Stevens; and Joey Gargan, a Kennedy cousin; the list goes on. None had ever heard of the Homestead story. Seigenthaler suggested I call the Kennedy library and ask to see the appointment book of Bobby’s secretary, Angie Novello. I did. They searched. 1963 was missing!
I went back to Pepper and insisted that he name his source – and it turned out that the source was…Gerald Patrick Hemming! In the course of the same conversation, Pepper told me that Bobby had flown to Dallas on the evening Oswald was arrested, and talked to Oswald in his cell! But I must not use this revelation! So historians must be wary, especially in this field."
http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html
Man Made "Aliens" - The ET Myth.
http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/Flying%20Saucers.htm
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
Deep Background
christ4sale, I have annotated your "Background" post. Annotations blockquoted, in italic (I apologize for the length, but this is no doubt the proper place for this post);
"For a background on UFOs, please read Vallee's Messengers of Deception, Vesco's Man-Made UFOs, 1944-1994: Fifty Years of Suppression and a transcript of John Judge's 1989 radio interview on them from his book Judge for Yourself. Also, Dave Emory's Lecture: The Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon and the “ET” Myth is a great resource that can be found here: http://spitfirelist.com/?p=520 "
For a background on William Pepper's sometimes poor ability to identify disinformation, see:
From Peter Dale Scott's Road to 9/11, Introduction end notes:
"Most of what Pepper writes about army surveillance of King is documented and corroborated (cf. Steve Tompkins, "Army Feared King, Secretly Watched Him. Spying On Blacks Started 75 Years Ago," Memphis Commercial Appeal, March 21, 1993 ( http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/1993/mar/21/army-feared-king-secret... ). Unfortunately, Pepper also transmitted the claim made to him that the 20th Special Forces Group had a sniper team in Memphis on April 4, 1968, to ensure that King was murdered. I believe from my own research that the sniper team story was disinformation from high sources in order to discredit Pepper. In particular, an alleged authorizing cable, citing Operation Garden Plot, is to a trained reader a self-revealing forgery."
From Lisa Pease's Real History Archives:
"Remember what happened to William Pepper? He believed some Ayers-like informants on the MLK case and made a central case against a former military man whom Pepper believed (and wrote) was then dead. So on national TV, what happened? The "dead" guy walked out onto the stage. His living didn't negate all of Pepper's work in reality. But in the popular mind? Pepper was the guy who had 'gotten it wrong' on TV. I fear strongly the same will happen to those who pursue this line of inquiry."
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2006/11/did-cia-kill-bobby-kenne...
Here are Lisa's comments regarding a disagreement between Peter Dale Scott and William Pepper at the Making Sense of the 60's conference in 2008:
http://www.blackopradio.com/black403b.ram
Her comments on Pepper begin at 23:30.
Here is an excerpt about William Pepper from Joan Mellon's talk from this same conference:
"A digression about sources. From about fifty hours of taped interviews, I could not use any of what a New Orleans figure named Gordon Novel told me. With a soldier of fortune named Gerald Patrick Hemming, the percentage of the truth to fabrication was 50-50. Knowing of my interest in Colombia, Gerry told he he had been imprisoned on Gorgona. (This was an island off the western coast of Colombia, named because of the preponderance of poisonous snakes wandering there. I didn’t believe him. This seemed like bragging. No, it turned out to be true. Smuggling drugs and not paying off the right people in Medellin, Gerry found himself on Gorgona.
Gerry told me that Robert Kennedy had addressed a group of Cuban exiles at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida in the summer of 1963. I needed corroborating witnesses; Gerry promised to name some, but couldn’t, and I broke off all contact with him. I forgot about this matter until a researcher named William Pepper told me the same story. His source, Pepper said, was an aging, very ill documentary filmmaker who had been a close friend of Robert Kennedy’s. He had won eight Emmys! Pepper said. And no, he couldn’t give me this dying man’s name.
As a film historian, I could reach any documentary filmmaker, and I called about ten people. None had ever heard the Homestead story. Then I contacted people close to Bobby Kennedy: Peter Edelman; John Seigenthaler; one of Robert Kennedy’s daughters; Ed. Guthman; Frank Mankiewicz; George Stevens; and Joey Gargan, a Kennedy cousin; the list goes on. None had ever heard of the Homestead story. Seigenthaler suggested I call the Kennedy library and ask to see the appointment book of Bobby’s secretary, Angie Novello. I did. They searched. 1963 was missing!
I went back to Pepper and insisted that he name his source – and it turned out that the source was…Gerald Patrick Hemming! In the course of the same conversation, Pepper told me that Bobby had flown to Dallas on the evening Oswald was arrested, and talked to Oswald in his cell! But I must not use this revelation! So historians must be wary, especially in this field."
http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html
Response to Reprehensor
Hi Reprehensor,
Thanks for your candid response. I think that we are actually in agreement with many of these issues and with our general opinions of these individuals that have been discussed. I for the most part stand by my statement about William Pepper having “a poor ability to identify disinformation.” Maybe that is too broad a statement and I should have said “IS HAVING a poor ability identifying disinformation.” I should have said that my general opinion is that William Pepper has done a great service to the King Family and that most of what he has uncovered in the King Case is first rate. On the other hand, I do think that he should be far more critical of others involved in NYCCAN and should have been the same in the NYC Ballot Initiative. I will address Pepper at the end and respond to some of the points that you raised in your response.
Joan Mellon:
So now, Mellen is ok? When I posted an interview with her last October, you made no comments or criticism of the interview, but instead posted a link to a critical review of her book, "A Farewell to Justice". http://www.911blogger.com/node/18136#comment-19914... - but now that you have found a snippet of her writing that works for you, I don't see you criticizing her. So, when her arguments are suitable, you sample her, otherwise you just work to cast doubt on her abilities as a researcher, hinting to the readers of the blog that she should be read very critically... except when you need to use her observations to make a point?
Yes, Mellon IMO is fine FOR THIS, but let me separate two things here. First, I trust Joan to tell her own story and experiences accurately. I actually like much of her work and I think that she is correct about Garrison’s legacy. Unfortunately she plagues her work with a near-hatred of JFK and RFK. I sighted Jim DiEugenio’s review because I think that it is a good critique of this bias and of the sources she used to exercise it. In short, I think that I can endorse someone discussing a specific personal experience and not agree with her political biases.
After thinking about this for a while, I actually think that this is not that big a deal for Pepper because he was only talking privately with Mellon from what I can gather and in private, I think we all speculate in ways that we never would in a public forum or in a book, etc. Maybe Pepper should have been more skeptical of Gerry Patrick Hemming, but it doesn’t look good on Mellon’s part because she revealed the contents of a private conversation.
John Judge:
I fully agree with you that John makes mistakes. As a long time listener and supporter of John, I can say that he definitely has issues with getting names correct (one of his lectures on 9/11 he was referring to Montague Winfield as Winthrop Montague and Mahmood Ahmad as Mormar Ahmed), he says things that I can not verify (I have never been able to find a source other than John that the original British edition of Orwell’s 1984 was titled 1948) and he says things that are inaccurate (like the examples that you provided and about Flight 77 making a 270 degree turn around the Pentagon). That is why I always corroborate what I hear and read from other sources as any of us should. I believe these mistakes to be honest and more due to forgetfulness than to any malicious intent (Not that this is Pepper’s issue). I think that John’s overall instincts about issues and people within the movement are right on (A major issue for Pepper). I have had several email conversations with him, so some of this might not be as apparent in his lectures that are widely available.
The reason I mentioned him is that he did an interview on KPFK in 1989 that I have a recording and transcription of that I feel is a good overview of what UFOs really are and what the implications of being a promoter of them as extraterrestrial craft are. Too me, this is a good overview, but it still should be corroborated. It is meant to provide context for why Edgar Mitchell should NOT be a part of this commission. A transcript of this interview is in John’s book Judge for Yourself.
Does Judge display a "poor ability to identify disinformation"?
No, as I do not think that the mistakes that John tends to make are the same type of mistake that William Pepper is making. John is occasionally getting a name wrong, a fact wrong or a source wrong. John has a very good track record of steering clear of people that could undermine him or our movement later. To me, 9/11 Citizen’s Watch and most of the conferences John has participated in are good examples of this.
Dave Emory:
I fully agree with you about Dave Emory after 9/11. Actually, if you listen to his lectures before 9/11 and after 9/11, it almost sounds like a different person. To hear his lectures on the Clinton Administration, Waco, the Militia Movements or UFOs (all from the mid to late 90s), he is easily one of the best authorities on these topics. He actually said that he believed Monica Lewinsky to be part of a right-wing element of Mossad. Could you imagine him saying that today? Emory’s format in his lectures, as in his radio shows, involves him largely reading from books. Emory reads from Jacques Vallee and Renato Vesco in the excellent UFO lecture, which IMO is an even better overview of UFO history than the Judge interview on KPFK and additionally provides more context to why Edgar Mitchell should be off the commission. I think that a well read, critically thinking person would benefit significantly from listening to this lecture. And just because I like his UFO lecture does not mean that I support much of what he has done in recent years.
If Emory is an earnest researcher who has made a few mistakes, why can we not extend this courtesy to William Pepper, who is surely human?
I certainly do not know if he would qualify as an earnest researcher at this point. He probably would not after 9/11, which I think was his clear turning point. On the UFO lecture by itself, I think he would and that is why I recommend it.
But if you really want to steer clear of Judge and Emory, then just read the Vallee and Vesco books and get the information from its original sources.
Peter Dale Scott:
Thanks for the information on Peter Dale Scott. I am fully aware that he is human and capable of mistakes. But he has a good track record of correcting himself and saying publicly when he has been incorrect.
Why can we we not say that Pepper is a good man, who is misled at times, like Scott (and anyone else who has fallen prey to a pathological liar)?
I think that everything that you said here is true of Pepper. My reason for highlighting Pepper on this and not the others, despite all of their flaws, is that Pepper has probably been most visible of these individuals through his work on the MLK case and because of his visible position in NYCCAN. Now the military aspect of the MLK case is one of the most controversial parts of it. Parts of it are well documented and are almost definitely true and parts of it are far less credible. Scott is saying that the notion of a sniper backup team is likely an elaborate disinformation effort designed to discredited Pepper when needed. The whole story relied on individuals who Pepper could not meet with directly, with the exception of Jack Terrell, and reporter Steven Tompkins was required to function as the intermediary. Tompkins does not even agree with how Pepper used the information that he [Tompkins] retrieved from his military sources. With sources like these, this is not something Pepper should have provided as a solid addition to what we know of the narrative of MLK's assassination as the addition was portrayed in Orders to Kill and An Act of State. This eventually was used to discredit Pepper on ABC’s Turning Point hosted by Forrest Sawyer, which aired June 19, 1997. Here is an account of this by Jim DiEugenio in Probe Magazine:
Predictably, Sawyer constructed a trap for Pepper in the second half of the program. Towards the end of Pepper’s book he details the tale of an Army special forces group sent to Memphis in April of 1968 to surveil King. Working from interviews conducted by reporter Steve Tompkins, Pepper writes that they received a special briefing and were told to actually terminate King. They would have if he would not have been fired upon already. According to Tompkins’ sources, one of the leaders of this group, Bill Eidson, later died. Sawyer took Pepper through this part of his book, questioning his methodology, and then produced Eidson and a cohort. Although Pepper held up fairly well through this elaborate set-up, he had been sandbagged. Strangely, and although the sequence was probably edited to favor Sawyer, he doesn’t seem to have seen it coming. Tompkins was also on the show and he implies that Pepper went too far with the material he had given him. But also, neither Tompkins nor Pepper appear to have checked out their military intelligence sources with the utmost scrutiny.
So for last year’s 40th Anniversary when interviewed on NPR he brings up the sniper backup team as if it definitely happened. Of all the solid things he could have said about the King case in this short amount of time given to him by NPR and he chooses that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CSpD2zm8Q
To me, someone recognizing the responsibility of being the attorney to James Earl Ray or the King family would have left the more speculative aspects of this case on the drawing board rather than to publish them, which put him in a very vulnerable position. This same uncritical approach to NYCCAN might be leaving other vulnerable doors open if NYCCAN takes off.
Now Truthmove, the organization I have been a part of, has been very critical of Les Jamieson and his actions in NY 9/11 Truth (see our other posts on his distribution of anti-Semitic material, the big tent, etc.). For the 2007 Anniversery of 9/11, we could see ahead of time that the Ready for Mainstream conference was going to be a mix of credible and not credible presenters and we felt that we should warn the credible people beforehand. Another Truthmove forum regular and I were able to obtain the email addresses and send out emails to two of the presenters, one being Pepper. The other person, when he heard that Webster Tarpley was presenting, cancelled. Pepper on the other hand, spoke about disinformation, but at the same conference Tapley had his infamous meltdown about the Kennebunkport Warning and Alfred Webber spoke about exotic weaponry. Did this experience have any effect on Pepper’s affiliation with the organizers of NY 9/11 Truth? No, he ended up forming the 9/11 Ballot Initiative with them.
Luckily it looks like Les Jamieson is no longer part of the ballot initiative or NYCCAN. If Pepper is as concerned with disinformation as his Ready For Mainstream or Chicago conference speeches suggest, he should be drawing attention to Mitchell as well, but instead is saying that we can't please everyone. It is naive to think that given the history of the HSCA and the Garrison investigation that this ballot initiative and the possible commission that could result from it are not and will not be infiltrated. There should be sections of the NYCCAN webpage that have a goal of keeping people on their toes concerning the possibility of infiltration and nothing like that is to be found anywhere.
Finally, I think Edgar Mitchell should not be a part of the Commission, and I will write to the NYC CAN email address to suggest that he step down on the very day the Ballot Measure passes (should it pass).
Could you turn something regarding this topic into a headline on 911Blogger.com so it gets more exposure? It is a major issue that Mitchell is a part of the commission and I doubt nearly as many people read the comments where this issue has been raised. Given the history of the Ballot Initiative with Les Jamieson in a key position, I see it as a must to warn people about these very likely possibilities.
p.s. Could you change my name to Christs4sale?
Well said
William Pepper's endorsement and counsel should lay to rest most doubts people have about this initiative as his track record of honest truth-seeking is beyond reproach.
It would be too bad if concerns about some people on the commission harming a new investigation would itself be the braking force, so let's all unite for a big push on this as it's one of the biggest chances the movement have ever had for that new investigation we've all been fighting for these years.
path to freedom
I first met William Pepper in West Hartford at a 9/11 event with family members, first responders, researchers.. and Cynthia McKinney came to hear William Pepper. The rest is history, if we are fortunate to have a future. A referendum vote in 2009 is critical for truth, justice, and freedom.
Thank you.. and all those serving and supporting this campaign for a real independent investigation and report.
jonathan
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Now's Not the Time
As a New York City resident, it is my understanding that any change to the petition would require starting over. Bear in mind also that signing a petition does NOT equate to voting on the resulting referendum.
The time to argue over any proposed commission members is AFTER the referendum gets on the ballot.
The important thing now is making sure the voters get to decide. Not liking one out of 8 names on a list that is subject to change later anyway is a poor excuse to deny NYC voters our right to make a new investigation happen.
yes
i agree with this 100%..
the key is in the integrity of the whole commission and board of directors for NYC CAN.
Arguing otherwise is like spinning one's own wheels.. and not getting far. my check is going soon in the mail.. and i plan to be in nyc this 9/11 to support a YES vote on nov. 3rd!
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I'm not saying...
every person with an Edgar Mitchell stick up their ____ is an infiltrator, but it is obvious the Edgar Mitchell situation has been blown way out of proportion, and I suspect some of it is pushed by infiltrators who want to disrupt the most promising thing this movement has going.
"Once the collapse initiated, the video evidence is rather clear. It was not stopped by the floors below. So there was no calculation that we did to demonstrate what is clear from the videos."
-John Gross, National Institute of Scientific Treason
Hmmm
When it comes to potentially disruptive individuals in an initiative as important as this, you can't be lenient. You can predict this stuff, it's like clockwork. As soon as some infiltrator or lunatic opens his/her mouth, throw them out, distance yourself, and move on.
dark side of 911blogger
i can partly understand why some at 911blogger insist that UFO witnessing should be a topic on this list.. under the statement by William Pepper..
it is similar to cointelpro actions to discredit or create disunity in groups.. but more likely has its basis in fear and post traumatic stress syndrome.
dealing with such an issue like 9/11 reality brings up fears in each of us.. some believe so strongly in how we each have been discredited, that they insist in expressing their personal fears in an exaggerated self-projecting form or in a way to protect oneself.. or because of their belief that it will fail based on their fears. this does not make a person into an agent, but it can make them act as one.. unconsciously.. however, due to people like les jamieson, ted walter, other volunteers who collected or paid for someone to collect signatures, william pepper, all the board of nyc can and those sincerely wanting to serve as commissioners, and without question, most likely with an overall determination to hold a fair and proper investigation of 9/11..
fear can be like a splinter in one's own eye.. and can distort a vision.. and a reality on what this issue is about.. this is not an investigation of ufo. so the projected fears should be removed from this topic.. but we all have our blemishes.. 911blogger, too.. but on the whole.. it is much more behind positive change than holding it back.. just as an imperfect group of commissioners wanting to give an authoritative investigation its moment beyond the current political-media cover-up.
so i appreciate the dialog.. and the majority now fully behind this project.. because in difference than the AE911truth campaign that is petitioning Congress for an investigation, this campaign NYC CAN is bringing the power to the people in a referendum vote this november 3rd. time to go for it.. and lay the fears aside.
jonathan
this link goes to a great one page letter to download and spread around to take action.
http://files.meetup.com/300645/NYCCANGrassrootsLetter.pdf
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