Fake 9/11 Video Making the Rounds

I assume that this video is fake (see top video, labelled "Live Animation").

The video shows the fireball erupting out of one of the Twin Towers before the second plane hits.

Does anyone have the CBS DVD "What We Saw"? If -- as I think -- the video footage is not on the CBS DVD, that would show that the linked-to video has been faked by a disinfo agent or trickster. That would be a reminder that we should not pass on videos as real that have not been authenticated first.

If, instead, the video is contained in the DVD, that would be important information also.

..if it's 'fake' , prove

..if it's 'fake' , prove it.
For me it's clearly authentic.

http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
CPlanet "3rd" aircraft also visible on CNN footage

youtube.com
or here

"... 2nd crash video that shows a white plane flying off in the upper right hand corner..."

compare with other qualities at Killtown's 'second attack' collection

see also
9/11 Scholar apparently resigned over "8:58 AM plane" (07/02/06), "The Flying Elephant"
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006/07/911-scholar-apparently-resigned-...

Speaking of

This did not deserve a

This did not deserve a thread!
A fake video thread? Come on!
Sorry GW.

no, i think it did deserve a

no, i think it did deserve a thread. so we can have people like Nico on record as saying this is a real video.save these responses GW.

This is giving nico the

This is giving nico the thread he always wanted. Now we can spend the rest of the day going back and forth with nico on this.

Hey GW, How about posting

Hey GW,
How about posting this as a thread?
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982

Bullshit line #1: For me

Bullshit line #1:
For me it's clearly authentic.

You are talking about the

You are talking about the fireball delay?

The problem is that the video is out of sync. That doesn't make it 'fake', but turns into a 'screw up'.

The original was shown LIVE on WABC7 and FOX NEWS at the same time. It's not out of sync at the live broadcast.
The complete list of the original (non delayed fireballs) is at 911tvfakery.blogspot.com, killtown list.

The only 'fake element' is the black aircraft silhouette impostering a plane, while it is a CGI.

Hey Nico. I'm going to be

Hey Nico. I'm going to be in NYC on 7/23 at St. Mark's Church. I hope to see you there.

this video is sooo fake,

this video is sooo fake, cmon. we don't need this at 911Blogger.

OT: i read some post at another site that CSPAN will be airing the LA 9/11 conference tonight. has anyone heard about this? CSPAN.org has no information about this at all.

casseia: I may not have said

casseia:

I may not have said that so clearly in my rant. Please allow me to say it another way.

Transponders (especially a "Class C" Altitude Encoding Transponder) like those a part of "minimal equipment" on board these aircraft, function as a constant reminder of "good on-going communication" between pilot and ATC. Changing their setting, same as turning them off, instantly sets off alarms at ATC if ATC did not instruct the pilot to make a specific change.

The Encoding Transponder replies back to ATC with the return radar bounce. With every sweep of the ground based radar, each Class C Transponder sends back an Identification signal as per the instruments setting, ALONG with the cock-pits' altitude readout. IF, the return signal (leave alone any change in the Indent. code or power disconnect) grossly conflicts with the ground based radars' ability to discern altitude of raw radar blip, the controller advises the pilot that he may not know his altitude with accuracy.

Point is, the ATC (and fucking positive for the DOD) is not dependent on a properly set or encoding transponder in a cock-pit. That's exactly the point, the ACT confirms constantly what they know to be the altitude, with what the pilot thinks is his altitude. DOD has absolutely no dependance on an aircrafts willingness to be interrogated (actual ACT term for constant feed-back from Class C transponder) for the DOD's air defense radar to know something is in the air, and at what altitude.

They knew, OR at least they were absolutely capable of knowing exactly where these aircraft were, and what altitude they were at. Why weren't they looking? Someone's ass needs to fry! ("under the radar" is old school.... DOD fixed that long ago).

ATC and DOD are not dependent on the transponders what-so-ever. A gross fucking lie, if ever I heard one.

I first saw this posted by

I first saw this posted by Amanda Reconnaissance, I mean Reconwith.
Now with Nico putting his paws all over it, IÂ’m certain itÂ’s doctored footage.
WasnÂ’t Nico the same person who said the planes were holograms?

The funny thing is... when I

The funny thing is... when I read the "Flying Elephant" article from the scholars, I KNEW Nico would jump all over that because it's based on some footage that shows a third plane at the WTC. I'm terrified to even touch on it because the hologrammers jumped on it.

For Nico to say, "I knew it

For Nico to say, "I knew it all along" is interpreted by my brain as "Jon, run... run as fast as you can".

Nico made one comment about

Nico made one comment about a DIFFERENT segement of film. He was referring to our last conversation about the white plane. Someone had asked for that link.

This CNN -fake?- is bizarre to say the least. It would have to be, otherwise why didn't we see it earlier? I actually think it's cool, because, once again, no reason in the world we can't see ALL of the native camera originals and -feeds!

nope, i jumped on it,

nope, i jumped on it, because i thought you are talking about the "elephant plane" which was declared as fake as well.

This was a confusion on my side.

The "fireball delay" is another footage, which we found some weeks ago and analysed it in the appropriate way.
We wondered ourselves, why it was circulating around.

We assume, it wasn't 'faked' to confuse the water on our research, but is simply out of sync.

The LIVE broadcast of WABC7/FOX NEWS/CNN had no screw up, so it doesn't help either the one or other side to make an argument.

There are indeed some 'satire' fakes around but they're clearly labelled as satire. I posted them on my blog as well..

My new DailyKos diary,

My new DailyKos diary, entitled

Le Monde diplomatique: "9/11 - an Inside Job?"

has been posted at

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/5/152450/0414

Please read, vote, and recommend! (Everyone can vote, even without registration.)

Thanks, Erin -- that added

Thanks, Erin -- that added detail was helpful. How about the argument that once transponders were off, the planes, just like, got lost, because there were just so many planes up there over the NE. Like, oh my god, lots and lots of planes! So many blips on the radar... can't...keep...up...

I'm thinking ATC and DoD pros would probably be pretty good at tracking them -- you know, in case we were ever in a war or something.

meanwhile on planet earth,

meanwhile on planet earth, large amounts of CO2 are released into the atmosphere . . . .

http://www.citizenswatch.org

http://www.citizenswatch.org has some interesting posts

http://www.911citizenswatch.o

The problem is that the

The problem is that the video is out of sync. That doesn't make it 'fake', but turns into a 'screw up'.

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 3:21 pm | #
oh, so all that bullshit you promote non-stop isnt fake, its only "screw ups"?

Known 9-11 disinformationist

Known 9-11 disinformationist photographed pal-ing around with STING TV:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4029389/8369789/163259079.jpg
http://www.wingtv.net/images/dctruthconvergence.jpg

See a pattern here?

From that angle, you can

From that angle, you can make a similar stop-action video where the plane backs out of the tower after the explosion.

We did need at least one

We did need at least one thread on this, so it can be debunked and sent to the dustbin. Nico, can you give us a CGI 101 as to how many camera angles are out there and what is fake? Otherwise, your research just sounds like one big clusterf---.

this video does not even

this video does not even deserve a post.

it is fake, end of story, move on.

Chris wrote: "...oh, so all

Chris wrote:
"...oh, so all that bullshit you promote non-stop isnt fake, its only "screw ups"?

I explain carefully, which footage is doctored and which isn't.
Are you going to do my job now??

The 2 LIVE Broadcasts of the second attack include two contradicting CGIs in shape, speed and simulated flight path.
One was shown on ABC7/FOX NEWS/CNN/NBC at same time, provided by a feed of a WESCAM helicopter.

The other conflicting LIVE Broadcast was by FOX5 LOCAL, showing a completely different CGI, an aircraft silhouette impostering a plane, but coming from the same direction, even if the Towers are now filmed from the front.

These 2 LIVE footage contradict then also with all other NON-LIVE footage.

This is already smoking gun enough.

I have the luxury also to analyse screw-ups or the satire planes, but i don't need them to make my point.

And i am also analysing authentic footage which does not contain any plane at all at time of second hit.

If this is too confusing for you, then you should more carefully read my blog.

That's right, caddeia: Like

That's right, caddeia:

Like I said, ANY change in the transponder (especially turning them off) merely turns ON bells and lights at ATC. Yet they are not dependant on ANY cock-pit device to continue tracking azimuth and altitude of [now] Unidentified Flying Object. (that'll give the real tin-hats something to scream about)

Only two ways I can reconcile this in my head; TOO MANY false blips inserted (only by an intentional act), or criminal negligence. Either way, Ass-Clowns are still on the loose.

Known 9-11 disinformationist

Known 9-11 disinformationist photographed pal-ing around with STING TV:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VO...9/ 163259079.jpg
http://www.wingtv.net/images/ dct...convergence.jpg

See a pattern here?
disinfo agent exposer | 07.05.06 - 3:43 pm | #
____________________

Which one is Nico?

just to keep the real

just to keep the real tin-hats from going too crazy (bless their hearts)...

Although the air-craft is no longer submitting to transponder interrogation, the controller knew what it was just a moment ago, and should have his eyes completely fixated on this blip.

Jonathan Gold wrote: "...Hey

Jonathan Gold wrote:
"...Hey Nico. I'm going to be in NYC on 7/23 at St. Mark's Church. I hope to see you there..."

That is good news.
I will debate you in front of the audience, as original co-founder of ny911truth.org.
I will prove, that you are spreading disinformations with the help of your government contact Keith Phucas.
Furthermore we will show the public that you are a planehugger regarding pentagon and other objects.
Furthermore i will prove, that you have been either deceived or brainwashed by orwellian 9/11 truth speakers of representing a limited hangout.

See you over there :)

Known 9-11 disinformationist

Known 9-11 disinformationist photographed pal-ing around with STING TV:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VO...9/ 163259079.jpg
http://www.wingtv.net/images/ dct...convergence.jpg

See a pattern here?
disinfo agent exposer | 07.05.06 - 3:43 pm | #
HAHAHAHAHAHA, birds of a fucking feather.......

Apparently, Reynolds Dixon

Apparently, Reynolds Dixon resigned from st911.org. He has taken the threat very seriously.

As Cathy Carger (9/11 Truth Action, v911t.org) reported via an email of Dixon,
he wrote:
"...I assume something in the "3rd Jet" essay is hot. I have received a
very specific threat against my family (knows my children's names) and
a strong suggestion that I pull the essay from the Journal site and my
membership in st911, which I am doing...

...No doubt we are getting close, and this is why the mainstream smear
campaign is ramping up.
Let the clearest, calmest, least threatening voices speak, if they are
willing.
Goodbye, good luck and God keep you all..."

Known 9-11 disinformationist

Known 9-11 disinformationist photographed pal-ing around with STING TV:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VO...9/ 163259079.jpg
http://www.wingtv.net/images/ dct...convergence.jpg

See a pattern here?
disinfo agent exposer | 07.05.06 - 3:43 pm | #
====================
What's STING TV?

"Which one is

"Which one is Nico?"
MikeJr.
__________--

Far right sitting here:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL910/4029389/8369789/163259079.jpg

Center of sign kneeling here:
http://www.wingtv.net/images/dctruthconvergence.jpg

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/0

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/07/05/teaching-911-denial-at-the-university-...

go here and help Barrett out with the rightwing drones.

911citizenswatch.org??? Gee..

911citizenswatch.org???

Gee... I can't decide which bullsh*t LIHOP thread to read first - the ones about how al-Qaeda could have been stopped before 9/11 or the ones about where the 7/7 bombers "bought their anti-Western literature."

Get real. Stop buying into this phony opposition.

"What's STING TV?" Cloak &

"What's STING TV?"
Cloak & Swagger
_____---
This should explain why they're now known as STING TV:

WING-TV HIT PEICE RESPONSE BY: Sonny Crack
http://www.revereradio.net/e107/news.php?extend.19

Here's their website:
http://wearenarcs.com/

"That is good news. I will

"That is good news.
I will debate you in front of the audience, as original co-founder of ny911truth.org.
I will prove, that you are spreading disinformations with the help of your government contact Keith Phucas.
Furthermore we will show the public that you are a planehugger regarding pentagon and other objects.
Furthermore i will prove, that you have been either deceived or brainwashed by orwellian 9/11 truth speakers of representing a limited hangout.

See you over there"

I hope you do. :) I REALLY hope you do.

I will furthermore not

I will furthermore not respond to any "anonymous" faceless coward, who had no productive past in this movement anyway.

For further info on 911tvfakery.blogspot.com and its focus:

This morning i was on vyzygoth radio show.

A MP3 backup file should be up later this day or thursday, July 6th.

Nico... PLEASE show up.

Nico... PLEASE show up. PLEASE.

The vote is going on well at

The vote is going on well at DailyKos, as usual. Please stop by:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/5/152450/0414

Now, does anyone have a link to a verification of thermate in WTC steel? I've also heard it has been confirmed in two universities. I'd appreciate all information about this.

STING TV are closely

STING TV are closely affiliated with the vyzygoth radio show too. See the pattern here?

Vyzygoth: WING TV Wednesday
http://www.vyzygoth.com/

Conceivable that a well

Conceivable that a well trained and cognitive Air Traffic Controller (they ARE admirably skilled people, but not hold-harmless in this affair for making ME tell you this) would be able to 'manage' say 10 'bogies' before becoming overload.

There is a far amount of 'overlap' between separate radar consoles, and a redundancy and cross check between ATC personal. Yet overload of MANY controllers seems to have played a very real part.

Intentional? Sure looks that way.

Nico, that is a tight

I see DailyKos has been

I see DailyKos has been listening to Malloy. I took the poll. I see it is overwhelmingly in favor of a new investigation.

ugh.... compressed video as

ugh.... compressed video as evidence?

Jeezus, those fuckers at

Jeezus, those fuckers at DailyKos work fast (although mixed in with the trolling is a very cute picture of a kitten.)
Everyone go vote.

Erin,
Yeah, the war-games false radar blips. When did they discontinue those that morning? Anyone know offhand?

Look, how nervous Jonathan

Look, how nervous Jonathan Gold is?

Why should i not show up?
Is that another threat?
I had already an invitation regarding my terror drill- and wargames research and spoke.
I will also speak a little bit at their "7/7" event and i'm still waiting for an appointment by Frank Moralez to have an own evening on "9/11 TV Fakery", possibly now early August.

You can debate me on my past since 9/11 as well.
I'm sure it will be exciting for everyone of us both :)
http://911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html

"Look, how nervous Jonathan

"Look, how nervous Jonathan Gold is?

Why should i not show up?
Is that another threat?"

Nooooooooooo Nico. It's not a threat. I look forward to seeing you.

I mean, it's not everyday

I mean, it's not everyday that you get to meet someone who actively participates in the slander of people who spend almost every waking hour fighting for this country.

"...WasnÂ’t Nico the same

"...WasnÂ’t Nico the same person who said the planes were holograms?..."
Cloak & Swagger

Never. I believe since Day 1, that at least one footage from CNN ("amateur camera team"), was faked, which wasn't shown live, but later that morning as an exclusive.

I watched all available footage over the last few years several times and finally was sure, that most of it was doctored with a CGI.

You are abusing the word "fake", i try to define it. The problem is on your side, because i can also show authentic amateur footage which doesn't show any plane at time of second attack.

Then there is also the "elephant plane", most obviously a decoy plane to confuse the witnesses and also was possibly used as a "backup plane".
I didn't declare this as fake either.

You are confusing the issue, not me.

Can you explain why 9/11 Scholar Reynolds Dixon was threatened over this and had to resign?

And how does that fit with the general support for the 9/11 Scholars?
Do they look away into another direction (Kevin Barrett) and allow another sacrification within the 9/11 scholars?

If someone is sick, then it's you, not me. I worked with video tools my whole life and i worked for 12 years at TV to be experienced enough to distinguish fakery, scripts, staged sceneries and illusion from the reality.

But maybe it's you who need some reality check first and find out, who REALLY runs the show in this movement.
That's not me. That's the orwellian cultists around 911truth.org and they know 'indeed' what they're doing :)

More about who STING TV

Nico is totally whacked out,

Nico is totally whacked out, but this truthling dictionary is kind of funny.
http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html
What does it say about Flocco that even Nico says you can't trust him?

Jon & Nico, please! We all

Jon & Nico, please! We all need our day in court.

I've known Nico since the beginning. He has no backers, no agenda, no reason to lie about anything, let alone collude with Victor Thorn. He is an investigative journalist by training and it seems he's a lot more interested in seeing this resolved than 98% of your fellow Americans.

In the process of uncovering connections and leads, Nico has interviewed and consoled more people than you can imagine, offering us his respects, time after time. Victor is not one of Nico's 'friends,' any more, or less than he is to me or you Jon. What I don't get, about Nico, is how the heck he is to survive if WE don't / won't eventually rise-up and start a revolutionary assault on OUR hopelessly skewed system? Meanwhile, his country faces nigh unto the same issues and causes. Germany, France, Italy, -all of them towing the official line. Now they are after Bechtel's unlimited cash-ops to build more Nuclear reactors! It's a nightmare without end. That's why I sincerely hope we see the stock-market crash overnight, because nobody wins as we get closer and closer to the NAU- Fascist lock-down. So, Nico, tell Victor I said we'll be happy to look after all y'all's asses when the sh*t hits the fan.

casseia: I have no idea how

casseia:

I have no idea how that "story" played out one way or the other. Its appearance in the public discourse should have been cleared up [crystal] by ATC. They apparently did/have not. Ass-Clowns!

No need to ask me why I won't fly anything ATC dependent under our current State. I'm VFR (Visual Flight Rules) all the way! Towering-storm-cloud conditions, be that it may.

Dylan wrote: "...this video

Dylan wrote:
"...this video does not even deserve a post.
it is fake, end of story, move on.
dylan | Homepage |..."

Dylan's credibility stopped to exist since he hooked up with the Naudet Brothers.
Then we have the deceived past of LC when they hooked up with CIA-IN-Q-TEL affiliate Karl Schwarz.
You should remove our team8plus stuff on Cleveland to protect this part as reliable :)

The better Naudet Research is btw. still up at
http://911foreknowledge.com

Maybe Dylan has time to explain, how a remote controlled plane could have hit the South Tower?

Also, can you finally confirm if you want to bring the "pod" (cartoon disinfo detail) back into v3??

Look how much Nico devoted

Look how much Nico devoted to me...

UQs aka Unanswered Questions
"Unanswered Questions" is a bizarre and also one of the oldest, very dangerous species in 9/11 truthling land, which tried to survive throughout the whole 9/11 truthling evolution since 2001/02.

The UQs operate like parasites within many truthlings to behave like a host of the truthlings.
The only purpose of the UQs is to contact the 9/11 truthlings to make sure, that none of any of their questions EVER get answered at all.
The UQs was once a very popular 9/11 "ueber-tribe" led by Kyle "America isn't ready for the truth" Hence, but then somehow dried out and successfully beaten by other 9/11 truthling tribes.

Then during 2005/06 the UQs recovered with a new 9/11 truthling leader named Jonathan Gold. The UQs once again insisted, that it is not of their "business" to find any answers, but ask a lot of questions, until everyone fells asleep or is infected with the 'limited hangout' worm. While Gold insists he is not genetically connected with Hence
and only 'spoke with him once or twice', it is apparently the virus of the "Jersey Girls", close to Hence, who convinced Gold to take over the UQs, especially if they have someting to do with the Limited Hangouts (->), or a very nasty sub tribe called "Able Danger Limited Hangouters". These ADL Hangouters claim they have even more unanswered questions than the UQs.

Unfortunately for everyone of these UQs, most of these "other questions" are also already answered.

However during 2005/06 the 'Unanswered Questions' desperately still try to dominate other 9/11truthlings by asking the same old questions from 2002/03
or developed allegedly new questions, however ALSO already answered.

The "unanswered questions" are infected with some very persistent truthling virus and there isn't any effective vaccine against them yet.

Though infected and poisoned, the UQs also never seem to die
which turned them meanwhile into a kind of superior 'truthling zombies'.
The grandfather of these "unanswered questions" is an obscure student called MalcontentX, somehow implying with his nickname that he was the only UQ who ever made some sense.

Addendum: Some spooks (->) actually tried to deceive the UQs with some clear answers, among them Karl Schwarz.

However the old leader and hardline questioner of the UQs, Kyle Hence,
once himself deceived by a spook into the 9/11 truthling movement,
fought bitterly against Schwarz until both became meaningless, but the questions remained.

It can be expected, that UQ's new leader Jonathan Gold also very soon will be confronted by another yet unknown spook.

9/11 truthling specialists predict that these 'Gold-spooks' might sit in the Pentagon and will be very close to the Able Danger limited hangouters.

Maybe Gold will be even turned into a "candidate" (->) to lead some "idiots" for a while or some other bizarre crossover experiments with other community tribes are planned...

Rumour also has it that the UQs will start another season of their once very popular 9/11-"REALITY TV" show called "C|Span".

Addendum 2: Jon Gold doesnt want to talk about Controlled Demolition.
He wants to let others talk for him, which suggests that he might be a "sucker" (->), especially played by the ADL UQs.

Gold instead talks frequently about the pentagon, to tell others NOT to talk about it.

Gold also appeared to have been very happy when the new penta art frames produced many new so called 'unanswered questions' and declared this as a "historical day".

(Here is a fascinating 'interview' between UQ Jonathan Gold and AD limited hangouter and perp Keith Phucas (Times Herald), which shows that noone of both is winning any argument.

More fascinating, they're both asking these questions, which lead to many new questions. Even their voices and 'truth healings' are barely too distinguish. Gold is the one who is slurping his coffee.

Haupt is insane TS Gordon.

Haupt is insane TS Gordon. Period.

TS Gordon, thanks for your

TS Gordon,
thanks for your support.

For the historical record:
TS Gordon was one of the respected members of the "9/11 Science and Justice Alliance" (2002-2006).

I was co-founder of this group, together with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King, veteran controlled demolition researcher at plaguepuppy.net

The findings of this group inspired 911physics.net, WING TV, the former Hufschmid/Walter tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill of the Green Party, Professor Jones and the 9/11 Scholars.

TS did the layout for a brochure for an event of most of our members for Jimmy Walter's "confronting the evidence" (2004).
The main focus was planned on 'controlled demolition',
But the event was itself sabotaged with a manipulated line-up by Nic Levis, Bryan Sacks and others.

INN Report, who filmed the event was deceived as Walter was and he removed most of the organizers out of this event, until he found out, who really manipulated him.

PS:
WING TV is indeed not on my side, what 9/11 TV Fakery depends, but we have prominent supporters within the 9/11 scholars, including Rick Siegel, Webster Tarpley, Morgan Reynolds, July Wood and many many others.

Furthermore Jimmy Walter and many other individual activists and researchers worldwide.

A few posters have said:

A few posters have said: "this video does not even deserve a post."

I completely disagree. Bravo, GW. This kind of fake, devisive. distracting B.S. needs to be exposed to the light of day. It's well worth a thread, as well as any other crap posing as 911 fact.

Thank you.

Funny, how someone keeps

Funny, how someone keeps deleting my comments once in a while at DailyKos... I'm now copying my text before posting.

This was what was deleted last:

The U.S. Minister of Transportation Norman Mineta told in his detailed testimony to the 9/11 Commission that Vice-President Cheney was in the White House command bunker at 9:25, talking with his subordinate about the plane approaching Washington. Mineta's testimony appears in the Commission's transcript, but has been cut from the Commission's video archive.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_20...

Cheney's presence there at that time is confirmed by other sources as well, including a White House photographer and the New York Times. Richard Clarke's account suggests that Cheney went to the command bunker before 9:15.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20051205150219651

Mineta's testimony was also confirmed by ABC News:

"Vice President Cheney and National Security Adviser Rice, in their bunker below the White House, are told by an aide that an airplane is headed toward Washington from 50 miles away. The plane is Flight 77. FAA deputy Monty Belger says, 'Well We're watching this target on the radar, but the transponder's been turned off. So we have no identification.' They are given further notices when the plane is 30 miles away, then ten miles away, until it disappears from radar."

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3601

The FAA memo submitted to the Commission also showed that flight 77 was being tracked while it approached Washington:

"Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA command center, FAA headquarters, DOD, the Secret Service and other government agencies. The U.S. Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD on a separate line. The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest, including Flight 77."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_20...

What did the 9/11 Commission do?

It completely ignored all this evidence and said that Cheney arrived at the command bunker at 9:58 at the earliest and claimed that the strike against the Pentagon came as a surprise.

An inspirational quote, a

An inspirational quote, a day late:

"With freedom, all things are possible. Technology, health,
wealth and knowledge are all facets of power. Each of these
improve the lives of human beings. The fruits of liberty are
everything good; and bring peace, prosperity and joy.
You live after the era of wars, and the only remaining step in
the pattern of liberty is to answer the question held in the minds
of people around the world. The lies of millennia have not
stopped the unquenchable thirst for freedom that grows within
the hearts of every person on earth. They are poised and ready to
take the freedom that is rightfully theirs. They need only hear
that freedom is possible, that freedom is real.
You are the key. To teach the people of earth the value that
they have within themselves you need only speak, and tell them
that every good thing is theirs to have. You need only tell them
that the glory of liberty is real, and that it belongs to them.
This war is already won. Evil has already been crippled.
Every human being on earth is ready to rise and let the chains
that held them crumble to dust. This world will be free. If you
can see your own value, then stand tall. Ye are called unto
liberty." The End of All Evil - Jeremy Locke

Alex, since we both agree,

Alex,
since we both agree, that this "fireball video" is somehow not helping our case, can we start talking about the real 'fakes'?

Let's begin with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ65iKJGr_M
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roc8mwO5Udk
both also vlogged at
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
http://911CGIwatch.blogspot.com
see also
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#photos

Two conflicting simulated flight paths.
Any explanations?

The technology just doesn't

The technology just doesn't exist to do live motion tracking and compositing that Nico talks about, so all of his theories are simply impossible. Betacam video is just not sharp enough to get an accurate motion- track from a moving camera, so it requires multiple passes to get a clean composite. This assumes that you already have video of the plane rendered out and ready for live compositing - which means that different networks using different planes is absurd. Even with 'military technology' or computers a hundred times faster that what I have, nothing that Nico describes would be remotely possible in a live broadcast. I won't even get into the on- the fly rotoscoping that would be required to mask the planes behind buildings...

On an unrelated note, the video in question does show the explosion erupting from the corner of the North tower as the South tower is hit. The fireball has also been moved out of sync in this edited version, but the original very clearly shows a bomb erupting in the first tower as the second is hit.

Of course, I immediately

Of course, I immediately reposted the above text once it was deleted from Kos. ;-)

And *again*... Someone

And *again*... Someone really hates that piece of text...

I've just finished my

I've just finished my long-overdue report: "The Controlled Demolition of the WTC, and National Security Breach" - A material 'deposition' by TS Gordon"

Next it goes to print, notary, and certified mail to: Senate Investigating Committees, State/Natnl., FBI-multi, Kean, etc, Then, I will post it on my site.

This includes some relevant pictures at the end, none of them new, but none of them have been presented in this way before. I do have assorted witnesses, but I don't presume to have a 'case' all because of this.

Lately, I'm working on 'tesla' concepts, but not as a real scientist, I just want to learn basic, adaptive electronic principles, just to make use of the assortment of junk I've collected. Hopefully, (see Captain Midnight) I'll make my mark on DirecTV! :)

I don't know What The Fuck

I don't know What The Fuck happened that day however, 3-4 "Kamikaze-Pilots-for-Islam" is harder to accept in place of digital over-ride of fully integrated auto-pilot systems.

Pilots have been complaining for years about the encroachment of (FAA/DOD) mandated "up-grades" in fly-by-wire dependent flight controls. "Too easy for a CPU crash to cut the pilot out of the loop or take control away from the man in the front seat."

You know, "to prevent some crazy hijacker from crashing the plane into a building. Wouldn't want that, would you?"

casseia, thanks for your

casseia, thanks for your support.

That Mia Dolan character really is horrible...

nico, im curious since you

nico, im curious since you have labels for everyone else what do you label yourself?

looks like an open and shut case of extreme narcissism to me.

This is clearly faked and

This is clearly faked and only worth mentioning just to stop those with single digit IQs from trying to spread it as real.

and Daily KOS is pure garbage site, they refuse to listen to anything about 9/11 or election fraud.

Ummm those are the 2 most important issues in the USA currently and these morons refuse to acknowledge it?

they can go to hell.

I said already i won't

I said already i won't respond to "anonymous" cowards.

For the record, this article shows, how a high tech-high res camera system of WESCAM was used for filming an empty landscape and the towers, while uploading a vecor-keyed CGI in real time. It's simple and no rocket science.
CGIs for TV live broadcasts had been used since the mid 90s.

Camera for only live footage identified as military system
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC_cam_identification.html

The contradictions of opposing simulated flight paths, speed, shapes and behavior had not been explained by ANY of the NYC planehuggers and i am still waiting for Chris' response on that as well...

Nunyabiz wrote: "This is

Nunyabiz wrote: "This is clearly faked and only worth mentioning just to stop those with single digit IQs from trying to spread it as real."

I guess that pretty much is what the proponents of the whole CGI/"no-planers" are arguing in regards to the commonly accepted videos of the second hit...

'Rotoscoping' -yes, this

'Rotoscoping' -yes, this would take some way-out technology at best. The 'live-insertion' system was available through Snell& Wilcox, UK, which was a virtual hot-bed of fun to visit at NAB, in May of 2002. Black suits everywhere. ...Where, how they might do the plane, I can't say, I hate all animation and 3D. It's the 'rendering-time' that causes us to discredit that thought above.

I'm telling you, (and Steven Jones,) I saw, and touched the material that they used. It burns your hand. The 'plane' has to evaporate on contact. Put your heads on that problem and then debate about the planes.

911citizenswatch.org is not

911citizenswatch.org is not the opposition.

the opposition look like TV preachers and have little american flags on their lapels.

they are trying to get Kevin Barrett axed.

infighting smells of agentry

"...nico, im curious since

"...nico, im curious since you have labels for everyone else what do you label yourself? ..."

I WILL answer this.
I am a "limited digital hangouter", guilty for not supporting the issue many years earlier, but was handicapped with several other projects plus a hack on my old computer system during early 2002, which destroyed all my video tools.

I also was naive enough to believe, that we could convince the 9/11 truthlings with classic debatery and arguments. Gerard Holmgren is much better on this than me, therefore i concentrate since last 2005 on re-visualizations of our evidence.

What the argument depends, you can still read this here:
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html

9/11 WTC Aircraft 'Witnesses'
http://911closeup.com/nico/witness_contradictions.html

Conversations with a spook Pt.2
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/SKYKING_open_debate2.txt

casseia, it seems I can no

casseia,

it seems I can no longer post comments. I'd appreciate if you responded for me for a while. :-)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/5/152450/0414#c130

It would be great if a

It would be great if a couple of "truthers" let Mr. John Lawrence, Editro of www.conservativejoe.com, know exactly what we think of his hack-job entitled "The Government Did It".

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/lawrence070506.htm

...and you can also call me

...and you can also call me "cartoon hugger" and "cartoon nazi" (as inspired by "soup nazi", SEINFELD) :)

I hunt the fake truthers...

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 aka

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 aka asshole:

You have failed in your disinfo mission to set up a "honey pot" that cartoon planes struck the Pentagon! You are a fraud & a fool.

The vote has GONE from

The vote has GONE from DailyKos! Holy gosh! When over 90 percent supported my view...

They must be pretty desperate over there...

"They must be pretty

"They must be pretty desperate over there..."

There must be a limited amount of gatekeepers over there. How many?

i admire you, nico, i've

i admire you, nico, i've never seen anyone so determined in believing this fakery bullshit. I admit, the idea of CGI on 9/11 actually sounds cool to me, but, like, come on, man...

911citizenswatch.org is not

911citizenswatch.org is not the opposition.
the opposition look like TV preachers and have little american flags on their lapels.
they are trying to get Kevin Barrett axed.
infighting smells of agentry
bozo | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 5:10 pm | #
____________________----
I'm talking about "phony" opposition. The sites that LOOK like they're questioning the administration on 9/11, yet they support the al-Qaeda fairytale. It's total LIHOP bullshit.

But yes, this Truther in-fighting is classic "divide and conquer."

African American, I read

African American, I read your post where you said you dad doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job. Perhaps you could watch Loose Change 2 with him?

The contradictions of

The contradictions of opposing simulated flight paths, speed, shapes and behavior had not been explained by ANY of the NYC planehuggers and i am still waiting for Chris' response on that as well...
Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 5:07 pm | #
keep waiting "nazi", i dont like to engage in conversation with delusional assholes.

and Daily KOS is pure

and Daily KOS is pure garbage site, they refuse to listen to anything about 9/11 or election fraud.

Ummm those are the 2 most important issues in the USA currently and these morons refuse to acknowledge it?

they can go to hell.
Nunyabiz | 07.05.06 - 5:03 pm | #
wanna be a part of the establishment press and make a lot more money? you MUST ignore election fraud,9/11, and any other "conspiracy theories" that happen. KOS wants so bad to be a part of the "in" crowd they have gone overboard with the censorship. same thing happend at C&L. i once was able to post 9/11 truth there. not so much now.

"......Where, how they might

"......Where, how they might do the plane, I can't say.."

It's a simple graphic, hand designed.
It could have parked at any US Air Force graphic data base.

What counts, is the upload software and the WESCAM multimedia system was able to use it in real time:

9/11: 16 CGIs which fooled the world
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/CGI/CGI_aprilfools.html

we're talking about this LIVE OBJECT here:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC1_CGI.jpg
(ABC7/NBC/CNN/FOX NEWS)

vs. this LIVE vector keyed 'insert' on FOX5LOCAL, "filmed" ~ 8 miles away without any EWS=Extreme Wide Shot or ECU=extreme close up:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/CGI/FOXh_CGI.jpg
(reverse to the left side, i did the right mirror to show proportions and other details in this article)

Names of pilots and camera operators are unknown.

And here is my own "satire fake", an aircraft silhouette, allegedly 'crashing' into WTC7, as inspired by WABC7 and i borrowed the CGI from the CNN unknown amateur team, falsely linked to Naka Nathaniel, who only did a slideshow of the footage for NYT:

http://911closeup.com/nico/UUU7.html
It shows how easy it is to produce and fool the people and i did it as 'sloppy' as WABC7 did.... :)

You know those Nazis who

You know those Nazis who fled Germany & escaped justice after WWII. Two of them spawned Nico Haupt aka asshole, and now he is here illegally in the U.S. covering-up for the 9/11 Nazis. You may not be so lucky, Haupt.

shut up, nico, just shut up

shut up, nico, just shut up

You can be sure, that

You can be sure, that "anonymous" is another deceived ACTIVE or PASSIVE cointel-pro pig :)

Chris wrote: "keep waiting

Chris wrote: "keep waiting "nazi", i dont like to engage in conversation with delusional assholes."

?? If Nico (et al) are delusional assholes, I´d think it would be a relatively minor matter to refute their claims, instead of name-calling? I mean... for something to be delusional, it surely has to be wrong.. as in the basic sense of simply untrue... wouldn´t you say?

I am waiting for answers on

I am waiting for answers on my questions.
There are a lot. CHris and Co. are possibly just waiting again, until "dz" will erase all comments or censor the rest.

"Every 9/11 truth 'activist' and -researcher is equal, but some of them are more equal"
ANIMAL FARM 2001-2006

As much as I find the no

As much as I find the no planer folks severely damaging the 9/11 Truth movement(what, is there only like 8 of you?) and highly poisonous, I FUCKING HATE DAILY KOS. Let me say that again.

I am not mad at Rushblogs, Fox news, etc. I FUCKING HATE LEFTGATEKEEPERS LIKE DAILY KOS. I no longer make ANY distinction between them and right wing GOP Bush supporter blogs...Actually I'd say they are worse, as they are KEPPING the Truth from coming out.

FUCK Chomsky
Fuck Amy Goodman
Fuck Michael Moore
Fuck Bill Maher
Fuck Richard Clark

And fuck you Daily Kos, Smirking Chimp, and Crooks and Liars. You guys are so close to the right wing it's not even funny.

Same goes for Anonymous and

Same goes for Anonymous and Geggy... the lack of reasoning is quite astounding... makes me wonder..

I think people like Nico

I think people like Nico Haupt who deliberately spread disinfo b.s. to make the truth movement look foolish are serious criminals in their own right!

pocky, whats worse, those

pocky, whats worse, those that believe in the lies of 9/11 but actively campaign against the illegal war, the illegal wiretapping and everything else illegal and immoral this government does? or those that believe the lies of 9/11, and cheer on every illegal thing this government does? yeah, you hate the left more though right pocky? fuck outta here.......

Hey Kofod, now you are

Hey Kofod, now you are definding an obvious disinfo agent like Haupt?

like i said, not a thread

like i said, not a thread goes by without pocky bashuing what he sees as "the left". the horrible horrible "left".yeah pocky, give the bloody flag wavers a pass.

Rumpl4skn, you're wrong

Rumpl4skn, you're wrong about 911CW, and that's all I'll say.

"There must be a limited

"There must be a limited amount of gatekeepers over there [DailyKos]. How many?"

I don't know, but if you enough people register and are civilly disobedient, what can they do?

There must be some mechanism that prevented me from posting comments after the regulars did something -- a certain number of negative evaluations or what? Does anyone know the details?

And where did the poll go? Actually, now that I looked, I no longer found the polls in my previous diaries either.

Isnt it apparent: The

Isnt it apparent:

The disinformation artists GIVE THEMSELVES AWAY BY THEIR ACTIONS.

They attack everyone in the truth movement, they obsess over "the Jews", they promote totally bogus theories that have been debunked by almost all in the movement, and they attack well respected speakers in the movement.

You have to sorry for WingTV and the no planers. Whether they are paid disinfo artists or not, they are akin to the idiots protesting outside of funerals. They know that IF they can makle the 9/11 Truth movement look bad, they will get the government off the hook. I'm not saying its COINTELPRO, but the people at Wingtv and other exposed disinfo artists most likely think 9/11 Truth is a fun game, and dont give two shits about the victims or this great country.
Notice how they badmouth over the people who ARE getting the truth out.

I think, "dz" should better

I think, "dz" should better reveal the IP address of "anonymous" or only allow registered members to post.
But maybe "dz" doesn't care either, who's spamming hostility on his forum...

Notice the Left Gatekeepers

Notice the Left Gatekeepers all use the same mantra, the same focus-group tested buzzwords: "9/11 will distract us from the real crimes of the Bush administration."

Yes. Let's not allow the willful murder of 3,000 U.S. citizens get in the way of investigating a "real crime."

Nico said >>>>Furthermore we

Nico said >>>>Furthermore we will show the public that you are a planehugger regarding pentagon and other objects.
Furthermore i will prove, that you have been either deceived or brainwashed by orwellian 9/11 truth speakers of representing a limited hangout.

And, the disinfo agent reveals his true agenda. Thanks for playing.

There was nothing for the

There was nothing for the perpetrators to gain in using cartoon planes! They only had everything to loose in getting caught with that unproven b.s. technology.

They utilized drones to hit WTC. They were even going to swap drones + imposter passengers in Operation Northwoods 45 years ago!

Take a break guys watch a

Take a break guys watch a movie
Farenheit 420 [High Society]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1027533927127396614&q=CIA

Rumpl4skn, you're wrong

Rumpl4skn, you're wrong about 911CW, and that's all I'll say.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 5:35 pm | #
____________________----
I'm wrong that every topic on there is nothing but weak LIHOP?

Show me one that isn't, and I'll stand corrected, Jon.

Or is it just 95% of them?

The far left sucks on 9/11

The far left sucks on 9/11 truth. The far right sucks on 9/11 truth & everything else also.

Since Chris and others

Since Chris and others cannot explain discrepancies between

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ65iKJGr_M
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roc8mwO5Udk

i am waiting now for evidence, what exactly should be the "disinfo" on
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com ?

Anonymous wrote: "Hey Kofod,

Anonymous wrote: "Hey Kofod, now you are definding an obvious disinfo agent like Haupt?"

Stupid "question"... like: "so, are you still beating your wife?"...

But, Hell yeah I am,(although he doesn´t need anyone defending him I guess), I think his posts merit attention, just like any 911 Truth research does.

If the only thing you guys can come up with is: "you´re a nazi/agent/asshole", then there´s only 3 possibilities:

1) He's right
2) You´re wrong

If he is right, I can see why you don´t want to debate his findings..., although I think you should reconsider...

if it´s just you being wrong, he could still be wrong too.. but then it would be VERY wise, to check it out, and prove him conclusively so, instead of just calling names.

Why attempt to use cartoon

Why attempt to use cartoon planes when real drones work just fine?

And for coward

And for coward "anonymous":
Where was the 'disinfo' regarding my past with this movement?:

http://911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html

(the 3. combination of

(the 3. combination of course being 1+2) :-)

It must have been a cartoon

It must have been a cartoon at the Pentagon too.

"I'm wrong that every topic

The far left sucks on 9/11

The far left sucks on 9/11 truth. The far right sucks on 9/11 truth & everything else also.
Anonymous | 07.05.06 - 5:40 pm | #
pretty much.

Damn right GW, nice one on

Damn right GW, nice one on showing this BULLSHIT up for what it is!!! I mean what the f*ck is going on here, this sh!t isnÂ’t even convincing 99% of the 9/11 sceptics out there. How many people who still believe the official fraud are EVER going to be stimulated to be sceptical by that total BULLSHIT!!

Blatantly it's fake, the sooner someone proves it the better because no doubt the only purpose for producing something like that is to harm the credibility of the mountains of genuine valid concerns about that day. Worst of all though, in that explosion people died, the shear disgust of manipulating such a tragedy is just beyond repulsive, what kind of shamelessly disrespectful sh!t is that!

And for coward

And for coward "anonymous":
Where was the 'disinfo' regarding my past with this movement?:

You either did a few good deeds to establish fake credibility, or you've lost your mind. Either way, I feel sorry for you as a person.

quick! i need statements

quick! i need statements from 9/11 family members(Jersey girls,bob mcilvaine etc.) suggesting it was an inside job. im going to work at this bullshit website: http://wizbangblog.com/2006/07/05/teaching-911-denial-at-the-university-...

against some thick skulled righties. one of them said "i wonder what the family members would think of you conspiracy nutjobs".

Explain the drones to the

Explain the drones to the "no-planers".

I am currently just here to explain the 9/11 TV Fakery?

Where did your alleged 'drones' depart, how did they enter a too small hole?
Why did the wings not break apart?

Don't even waste your time with fruitloop- or any other diversion tactics:

They didn't use drones because the risk factor was too high.

My question to any "remote controller":
What about the "elephant plane"?
Why didn't it hit the South Tower? :)

And if the findings of the 9/11 TV fakery are so much 'hurting' the movement, why is US Mainstream Media not writing about to discredit it?

My guess is that the far

My guess is that the far left will see/admit 9/11 truth someday & the far right will never see/admit 9/11 truth because they are generally evil morons.

It must have been a cartoon

It must have been a cartoon at the Pentagon too.
Anonymous | 07.05.06 - 5:44 pm | #
_________________________--
Why do you think they invented "cartoon wars" this year? : )

Rump4skin... Watch this, and

Rump4skin...

Watch this, and this, and tell me what you think.

Nico,your hardly worth an

Nico,your hardly worth an answer, so i'll just re-post what i said earlier.

you only apologized because you were caught! haha, just kidding, its no big deal.i know Nico has done work on 9/11 other than CGI in the past, but now all he does is poison everywhere he goes with constant CGI CGI CGI!!!!!!!he shows up with questionable sources at best and screams like its gospel. this is not, and should not be at the forefront of exposing the lies of 9/11 to the general public and mainstream media.when there is so much info indicating inside job, there is no need to scream CGI from the roof tops, no matter how strongly you feel about the subject. i recognize that the Pentagon is a touchy subject as well, and many in the "9/11 truth movement" believe it is a poison pill meant to make us look bad at a later date when the other 84 tapes are released. i happen to disagree, but i recognize that going around screaming only about my beliefs on Flight 77 and the Pentagon,and nothing else, is not very smart considering how much other evidence is available.its worth mentioning, but not worth making your main/only argument. Nico doesnt get it, he never will, disinfo agent or not.
Chris | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 1:18 pm | #

I don't feel sorry for

I don't feel sorry for "anonymous".
He's part of the 'gang of 4', as in Jon Albanese, Max + Julian and Nic Levis.

And all of them represent limited hangout drivel and an attempted coup to replace Les Jamieson at ny911truth.org

Chris wrote: "..you only

Chris wrote:
"..you only apologized because you were caught! .."

Caught in what?

They didn't use drones

They didn't use drones because the risk factor was too high.
Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 5:48 pm | #
_________________________
There's no "risk" in pulling off a 1,000' altitude, 5 mile-long CGI trick in front of 10's of thousands of witnesses and a dozen TV cameras without the slightest visual glitch?

Or am I not getting the concept here?

quick! i need statements

quick! i need statements from 9/11 family members(Jersey girls,bob mcilvaine etc.) suggesting it was an inside job. im going to work at this bullshit website: http://wizbangblog.com/2006/07/ 0...nsinmadison.php

against some thick skulled righties. one of them said "i wonder what the family members would think of you conspiracy nutjobs".
Chris | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 5:47 pm | #

^ Dude find Donna Marsh OÂ’ConnorÂ’s speech on 911podcasts!

Goddamn nico ! I just looked

Goddamn nico ! I just looked at those pictures of you.It looks like you should take a bath man. How can anyone take you serious when you look like a fucking homeless person?

Chris wrote: "..you only

Chris wrote:
"..you only apologized because you were caught! .."

Caught in what?
Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 5:51 pm | #

^ Pedalling BULLSHIT!

Nico Haupt aka

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001,

why are some of your comments directed at me? i have left your comments alone, and have even been out of town since last friday morning.

you are welcome to make your comments here just like anyone else, although it would be nice if you could stop referring to those that disagree with you as 'limited hangout', 'disinfo', 'planehuggers', etc. etc., although you are often called names as well, so i guess it is a catch 22 in that i can obviously not moderate at all without being called into question by someone or another.

DZ IS BACK!!! YAY!!!

DZ IS BACK!!!

YAY!!!

Chris; Donna Marsh O'Connor

Chris;

Donna Marsh O'Connor at the U.N
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=7&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=3...

In fact is this ain't on google video yet I'm get it up on there.

Someone take up a collection

Someone take up a collection for Soap and razors. Send them to Nico!

hey rumpl4skin: "There's no

hey rumpl4skin:
"There's no "risk" in pulling off a 1,000' altitude, 5 mile-long CGI trick in front of 10's of thousands of witnesses and a dozen TV cameras without the slightest visual glitch?

Or am I not getting the concept here?"

I don´t you are... neither did I for a long time! I´m no expert at all, but CGI means "Computer Generated Image", and I think the "no-planers" point of view is, that what we´re seing in the videos of the second hit, is a pre-prepared fakery... the "plane" was inserted live into the camera recording the "hit"...

Meaning that "altitude" and "miles" aren´t relevant... it´s like the dino's in Jurassic Park.. they look real on screen, but in real life they´re simply not there..

I think you should check out the links Nico has provided; at least to qualify your opinion on why he´s wrong..

Best

DBLS, do you have any

DBLS, do you have any transcripts of what she said? i dont trust these morons to watch the video.thanks.

Chris wrote: "..you only

Chris wrote:
"..you only apologized because you were caught! .."

Caught in what?
Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 5:51 pm | #
that actually wasnt directed at you. if you read closely, you can tell the comments are ABOUT you,not directed TO YOU.

Jon, i know you can help me

Jon, i know you can help me with this. got any good qoutes from 9/11 family members susggesting inside job?

Rumpl4skin

Rumpl4skin wrote:
"...There's no "risk" in pulling off a 1,000' altitude, 5 mile-long CGI trick in front of 10's of thousands of witnesses and a dozen TV cameras without the slightest visual glitch?..."

We caught all their glitches.
That's why i am here.
But the risk factor is still smaller,
since it never was presented in either one of the most powerful 9/11 activist groups, neither in US Mainstream.

They will use TV trickery again, but this time it will be so sophisticated, that it will be barely to recognise.

Welcome in the real matrix:

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
4) Virtual Warfare

Then there is also the Advanced Disaster Management Simulator (ADMS(TM)) to conduct a Security Officer Training demonstration exercise.

As Environmental Tectonics Corporation wrote on on April 4, 2006 this "simulation exercise was funded through a contract from the University of Central Florida's Center for Advanced Transportation Systems Simulation and involves a terrorist bombing of a major commercial break bulk and container terminal at Jaxport.
ADMS will allow Jaxport responders to exercise their emergency plans under joint command utilizing NIMS (National Incident Management System) protocols...

...ADMS simulates emergency incidents such as terrorist acts, Weapons of Mass Destruction, hazardous material spills, multi-vehicle road accidents, fires and natural disasters and simultaneously trains entire response teams in the four C's of disaster management:
Command, Control, Coordination and Communication.
ADMS authentically simulates the dynamic elements of the environment (people, vehicles, threats) that are significant in a disaster situation - and the outcomes of actions taken provide authentic feedback, resulting in real skill building...

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617.10

Purdue: Virtual Baghdad for War Game Iraq
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2126817,00.html
April 10, 2006

AMERICAN researchers have started building a “virtual Baghdad”, a highly sophisticated computer simulation of the city that not only pinpoints the ages, religious views and socioeconomic status of its citizens, but also attempts to predict how they may behave.

Six students at Purdue University in Indiana are scanning English-language websites that provide an Iraqi perspective on the occupation. The US Defence Department has given the students 700 keywords to search for, and anything that turns up is added to a massive database. The end result will be a “war game” that should allow the US military to spot the green shoots of insurgency, or to predict how a neighbourhood may respond to a military operation.

...“We want to be able to get into the head of the regular Iraqi person in Baghdad,” says Stacy Holden, assistant professor of history at Purdue. She is working on the project with Simulex, a company that specialises in creating computer simulations of environments. Simulex plans to deliver the war game to the military in June...

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/14238027.htm
Sat, Apr. 01, 2006
"..Rashmi Chaturvedi works for Simulex Inc., which hired the Purdue students as subcontractors with the companyÂ’s Department of Defense dollars. Simulex, based near Purdue in West Lafayette, will take the information the students gather and create the program for the military by June..."

http://www.simulexinc.com/
What happens when you take military war-gaming technology, inject it with the latest discoveries in management, economics, and psychology, and apply it to business, political, and social situations? The answer is SimulexÂ’s Synthetic Environments for Analysis and Simulation (SEAS), the result of ten years of research conducted at Purdue UniversityÂ’s Krannert School of Management, in association with the United States Department of Defense and several Fortune 500 companies...

"Sister Project" ?

http://www.defense-update.com/products/v/VR-PTSD.htm
Mar 27, 2006

Developed by Virtually Better, with funding from the Naval Research Office, “Virtual Iraq” VR environment suitable for therapy of anxiety disorders resulting from the high-stress environment.
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Peter, Thanks for your

Peter,

Thanks for your reasonable tone. On a personal note, I can assure you that I look at almost everything I can so that I can try to at least understand the inner-arguements in the 'movement', but beyond that I try to stay out of it! ;)

dz, thanks for letting the

dz,

thanks for letting the debate 'rolling'.
fair enough this time :)

"...^ Pedalling BULLSHIT!
Dem Bruce Lee Styles ..."

Dem should explain, what this "BS" is.

Peter Kofod wrote: "...I

Peter Kofod wrote:
"...I think the "no-planers" point of view is, that what we´re seing in the videos of the second hit, is a pre-prepared fakery... the "plane" was inserted live into the camera recording the "hit"...

Meaning that "altitude" and "miles" aren´t relevant....."

And he's right on the money !

thx :)

Btw, I dont think Nico is a

Btw, I dont think Nico is a disinfo artist. He seems like a legitimate 9/11 Researcher that just went off the deepend.

I think it's VERY possible there was some technical live feed glitches, and maybe some doctoring to later released footage to hide some stuff, or cosmetic, or whatever. Nico and company have found these(good for you) and have run with it...not realizing that glitches and doctored footage LATER on does NOT mean there was some "hologram plane".

I want to ask the no planer/hologram folks 5 questions:

1. What made the massively loud plane engine noise heard in every news footage and amatuer footage of the 2nd plane heading in?

2. Were Amatuer footage never seized by the government "also" doctored with fake cgi planes?

3. Is every plane part "planted" on the streets of Manhattan and ajacent
rooftops?

4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?

5. PROVIDE ONE EXAMPLE of hologram missile technology. Just a picture, something.

How did every new yorker get "duped" into seeing planes fly into buildings?

Now that said, the 3rd, 4th plane, C-130, helicopter whatever is important to study.

IF we are to believe it was demolition, than we HAVE to believe it was either remote control real planes or remote control drone 767's. You cant have hijackers flying into a wire building without a prepositioned flight path. Am I right?

Anyways, I dont mean to say pointed words at Nico...I just dont understand why he obsesses over "no planes" when he himself has done some great work investigating alot of solid leads.

FINALLY, LIHOP is not disinformation...its a stepping stone. We forget sometimes what a hard pill for most people accepting "MIHOP" is.
And about WingTV, we must be doing somethign right if they are paid disinfo artists!

"Hey Nico. I'm going to be

"Hey Nico. I'm going to be in NYC on 7/23 at St. Mark's Church. I hope to see you there.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 3:22 pm | # "

LOL I am not going to say what that means for certain. But for a casual reader that could look like

Jon Gold: "Bring your boxing gloves, Nico. I'm going to punch you out and shut your nonsense up already"

lol

DBLS, do you have any

DBLS, do you have any transcripts of what she said? i dont trust these morons to watch the video.thanks.
Chris | 07.05.06 - 6:02 pm | #

^ Shit dude no, someone should write one though.

http://news.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fn

http://news.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fnm%2F20060705%2Fpl_nm%2Firaq_usa_abughraib_d...

Panel orders Abu Ghraib documents from Pentagon

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. congressional panel has ordered Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to turn over documents on the probe into abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison after the Pentagon failed to respond to an earlier request.

The House Government Reform Committee issued a subpoena to Rumsfeld last week and said the Pentagon must produce a raft of documents, including all drafts of the report on the Abu Ghraib investigation, by the end of business on July 14.

As for 9/11 Family members

As for 9/11 Family members on the record about inside job: There was some 9/11 family members at the 9/11 cofnerence. Understandably a lot of them are more comfortable not "going there" publicly, but in talking to some 9/11 family members they say privately a lot more than we know know deep down it was as we call "MIHOP". But its definately mopre acceptable to say incompetence/LIHOP.

And Chris, I AM LIBERAL. Come on. Thats why its upsetting see leftgatekeepers like Daily Kos call us all nuts. The right wing cant help it, but the leftgatekeepers say in one breath they want to expose the Bush regime, yet cover up their election fraud and 9/11 claims. We already know the right wing is corrupt as all get out, thats why I dont even bring it up.

http://gallery.tn420.org/imag

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001:

Nico Haupt aka ewing2001: "Dem should explain, what this "BS" is."

Nico doesnt get it, he never will, disinfo agent or not.
Chris | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 1:18 pm | #

^ True words LOL!! Nico, youÂ’re damaging EVERYBODYÂ’S credibility(including your own), clear enough?

DZ: "Peter, Thanks for your

DZ:
"Peter,
Thanks for your reasonable tone."
You´re welcome, Anytime. :-)

DZ: "On a personal note, I can assure you that I look at almost everything I can so that I can try to at least understand the inner-arguements in the 'movement', but beyond that I try to stay out of it!"

Sounds fair to me; especially when you´re running this site. Wouldn´t want it any other way.

Pockybot:
"I think it's VERY possible there was some technical live feed glitches, and maybe some doctoring to later released footage to hide some stuff, or cosmetic, or whatever. Nico and company have found these(good for you) and have run with it...not realizing that glitches and doctored footage LATER on does NOT mean there was some "hologram plane"."

Actually this is one of the most reasonable post I´ve ever seen from a "planer" to a "no-planer"... that deserves credit... I´ll leave your 5 questions to people more up-to-date than myself, but I think you (and MANY others!) should realize, that practically NO ONE is talking about holograms! What is the issue is, are video(s) - there aren´t as many as most people think! - doctored... meaning are the videos showing something different than what you or I would have seen, had we´ve been standing somewhere in NYC that morning... agree or disagree, but that´s not in any way impossible!

As a matter of fact (sorry for bringing in "personal" stories), I live in Denmark, pretty close to the Baltic states... when Soviet Russia invaded the 3 mini-states there upon their declaration on independence, video-images beamed across the world showed a Soviet flag on top of a national monument there... the "problem" is, that it was a fake! In "real life", it was STILL the Estonian flag up there, but for propaganda purposes, the Soviets "inserted" their own flag into the TV-images.. and everybody bought it... this is almost 20 years ago... with the technology of 2001...

I agree with you Jimmy, he

I agree with you Jimmy, he really does need a mistress to help him with his wardrobe. I'll do you one better; I actually offered Nico a $2,300. a month apartment at Westbeth for a (limited) free stay, -he wouldn't take it. (Maybe he's secretly staking-out the subways all nite, just in case they try another 7/7.) ((BTW, Nico; DrZ in NYC has left this option open to me for a long time: "Maybe you need a few months of Urban Hell to set you right!"))

My response: Just send me a kaiser-roll with a schmere, and two caufees-reglar! Nico and I are about the same, good call, Don Pardo.

Chris - Patty Casazza said

Chris -
Patty Casazza said of the commission, "I was looking for an investigation into September 11, 2001. That is not what we got." And, later, that "[t]he word 'cover-up' doesn't even seem to do it justice." While I don't think she's ever indicated that she thinks it was an "inside job", I think that if you can convince people that there has never been an adequate investigation, their next question will be, "Well why not? What are they hiding?"

On the questions of

On the questions of "pockypot"
(i assume he's not related with 'blink', just for clearing up some curiosity on my side?)

"....I want to ask the no planer/hologram folks 5 questions:..."

Better also check some answers here:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ

"...1. What made the massively loud plane engine noise heard in every news footage and amatuer footage of the 2nd plane heading in?..."

Not true. BOTH live broadcast footage had no sound of incoming object in it.
It's not on WABC7 and NOT on FOX5LOCAL.
There is also amateur footage, which actually HAS sound in it, but no SOUND of any incoming object.
See also the famous footage with the bird, some sirens and nothing more.
Clip on my blog...

"....2. Were Amatuer footage never seized by the government "also" doctored with fake cgi planes?..."

Apparently not or only a few i am aware of. I posted amateur footage with NO PLANES in it on my blog.

First of all you have to know that also CAMERA PLANET/NY TIMES "seized" a lot footage.

And THEY doctored, even also with multiple soundtracks of actors, who are saying exactly the same. Ask for a staff list of CAMERA PLANET and then we know, who doctored over there.

"...3. Is every plane part "planted" on the streets of Manhattan and ajacent rooftops?..."

Yes, as also at Pentagon and "5 years later" in Shanksville.
Ray Ubinger proves at 911foreknowledge.com, that a few parts had been even pre-planted and shows the spots in his "spook corner" around Vesey Street, Church and Murray....

"...4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?..."

Explain what you mean with cut out in this context.
BOTH ABC7 and FOX5 didn't show any 'plane' hitting the towers, but vanishing behind the North Tower, then followed by a real, but loudless explosion and authentic fireball, forced also by internally planted explosives (+ "X")

"...5. PROVIDE ONE EXAMPLE of hologram missile technology. Just a picture, something..."

I am not representing any hologram technology.
Keep that to the hologram dancers who still try to confuse the issue.

I'm representing the evidence of simple CGI inserts.
Everyone can "draw" them.
It's a simple graphic silhouette and no rocket science to do it.

There are dozens and 100s of TV editor software for live upload and vector keying. No real planes, just graphic plane inserts. No live plane, no 'bluescreen', which was still a wrong notion late 2005, before i found out how easy vector-keying is....

"...How did every new yorker get "duped" into seeing planes fly into buildings?..."

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
6. What about all these witnesses?

"...Now that said, the 3rd, 4th plane, C-130, helicopter whatever is important to study..."

I studied those too, but outside my blog. The US Military Helicopters did exist, proven on Rick Siegels footage.
I also proved the WESCAM chopper, furthermore we have another unidentified cHopper, who did the FOX5 CGI.
And we have apparently a real decoy plane, called the "elephant plane", accidentally pointed out by 9/11 scholar Reynolds Dixon.
He had a wrong spin on it by calling it "3rd plane", but he was too close to the CGI evidence.

His family was threatened and he had to resign but noone in this room seems to be concerned about it, instead collecting votes for Kevin Barrett.

How sick is this?

Do you really think, the 9/11 perps would it make easy for us to promote the 9/11 TV Fakery??

That's why they control the controlled demolition now, because it's still easier for the media perps to turn it into a limited hangout and red herring as well. They can, they will and they have the power to get away with it....

http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006/07/911-scholar-apparently-resigned-...
9/11 Scholar apparently resigned over "8:58 AM plane" (07/02/06)

Chris- Lorie van Auken said

Chris-
Lorie van Auken said that Richard Clarke "gave top shelf credibility to what many of us in the victims' rights commmunity had suspected for months - that the Bush administration seemed to allow 9/11 to happen."

see the hostility of a

see the hostility of a limited hangout 9/11 truthling orwellian, who have no argument at all:

"...Jon Gold: "Bring your boxing gloves, Nico. I'm going to punch you out and shut your nonsense up already"..."

We can do the boxfight after we present our argument in front of the audience of St. Marks Church.

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.80
"Perception Management" -Pt.1

Neocon journalist deceives '9/11 truthling':
Keith Phucas From The Times Herald Interviews Jon Gold
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10110
Friday, May 12, 2006
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/phucasgold911.mp3

More on Keith Phucas
(*thx to Alex Constantine)

"No doubt, high technology will continue to play a key
role in the nation's security and its new war." -
Keith Phucas
http://tinyurl.com/mxbd8 (zwire.com)
High spies
KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff 10/01/2001

...
The background of Times Herald-
how Robert M. Jelenic and JRC (Journal Register Company) took over

Alex Constantine wrote:
"...Journal Register Co, owns the Norristown paper
that Keith Phucas works for, w/ CEO Robert Jelenic,
brought in by the investment firm of Warburg Pincus to
run the ailing newspaper chain..."

...i furthermore found this:
7 months after the first attack on the Twin Towers (February 26, 1993)
the takeover of independent papers began...

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3246
AJR, May 1999
Continuation of The Selling Of Small-town America

...Kathy Morris, controller at the Times Herald in Norristown, Pennsylvania, from 1993 to 1996, recalls the time Jelenic demanded a monthly bottom-line figure by 8:30 p.m. on a Friday night--two days early...

...While Journal Register may have merely chipped away at some papers, the Times Herald in Norristown, a suburb of Philadelphia, got the ax.
On JRC's first day at the helm, September 27, 1993-

...
Limited Hangouters have 9/11 truthling Jonathan Gold under control

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/114831352586038024/
via http://911blogger.com/
May 24, 2004

Rep. Curt Weldon's office just called me for my lunch appointment...

Have front page article, will travel.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.22.06
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/

Dem wrote: "..^ True words

Dem wrote:
"..^ True words LOL!! Nico, youÂ’re damaging EVERYBODYÂ’S credibility(including your own), clear enough?
Dem Bruce Lee Styles |..."

I thought right now i am only 'damaging' my own reputation?
Whereelse in US Mainstream did i damage anything? Where is the media rant about 9/11 TV Fakery???

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
14. Does this not damage the 'movement'?

The meme, that particular research could hurt the movement, has existed since "Day 1" (=the commencement of the 9/11 research movement).
This weak kneed excuse was once used to to sabotage research regarding the alleged attack on the Pentagon, then to the controlled demolition, then to cell phone analysis, then to the video research in general.
Actually during 2002, this meme was planted by Kyle Hence (9/11 Citizen's Watch), a former sailor** closely associated to Jonathan and George Soros.
Hence also coined his most famous quote:
"America isn't ready for the truth yet."

It seems to me that any

It seems to me that any discussion of a picture (still photo, real film, digital film, movie film, video, digital video, or CGI) must carry with it, in a formal inquiry and even in a public discussion, some in-depth discussion of provenance, chain of custody, technical review by experts, etc., or else it is simply not worth the time. If any supposed imagery that was faked, hoaxed, manipulated or created in a studio was broadcast or published by an MSM source, there is also the need to document that in some detail, backed up with times, recordings, logs, testimony etc. Saying it is so does not make it so. Any image portrayed by anyone within a film or web site or other means must thus be able to be backed up by such documentation, later if not now. Otherwise, it is just entertainment, and there's enough of that already available.

Pilots have been complaining

Pilots have been complaining for years about the encroachment of (FAA/DOD) mandated "up-grades" in fly-by-wire dependent flight controls. "Too easy for a CPU crash to cut the pilot out of the loop or take control away from the man in the front seat."
You know, "to prevent some crazy hijacker from crashing the plane into a building. Wouldn't want that, would you?"
Erin S. Myers

Erin,
First I would like to say I have been appreciating your posts here at 911 blogger, been out of town and have found your recent posts a refreshing addition. You mentioned in one post that you were asked (?) by Mcgovern , Ray and others to get involved (you wanted to see them ask this while looking them in the eye.) Whats your backround and history?. Is my understanding of your previouse posts (i.e McGovern ect.) correct?

As too the above post by you, Morgan Reynolds mentioned in Chicago that Von Buleuw said that Germany demanded that Boeing remove the remote control option technology / hardeware (which they found was standard issue on these planes) in the all of the Luftansa planes that Germany had ordered. Do you have any insight or verification of this?

Nico... so let me get this

Nico... so let me get this straight... you think I purposefully contacted Keith Phucas because of his right wing views as opposed to the fact that he covered Weldon's Able Danger work, and I thought he might be interested in looking deeper into 9/11? Is that what you're saying?

Nico, are you jealous I got

Nico, are you jealous I got on the front page two weeks in a row, and you didn't? Is that what the problem is?

Incidentally Nico... I had

Incidentally Nico... I had no idea what Keith Phucas' political views were when I contacted him, and not until our "debate".

But feel free to come and

But feel free to come and "confront me", and make a fool of yourself... I look forward to it.

Nico, "...4. What caused the

Nico,

"...4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?..."

Explain what you mean with cut out in this context.
BOTH ABC7 and FOX5 didn't show any 'plane' hitting the towers, but vanishing behind the North Tower, then followed by a real, but loudless explosion and authentic fireball, forced also by internally planted explosives (+ "X")

i think he was asking about the gauge in the building:
http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/summaryimages/wtc1holenew.jpg

this is one of my bigger questions as well.. steven jones showed a photo of the buildings during a sunrise and you can see clear through the buildings (except the core).. i cant find the image right now, but to make a hole in the shape of a plane would i assume require shape charges, which should be pretty noticable right?

Chris- Patty Casazza also

Chris-
Patty Casazza also said that "these Commissioners - virtually all Washington insiders - never really intended to find blame, and at this point we find that extremely troubling." Beverly Eckert said of the Commission that "information is being concealed." Bruce Dell told a New York Times reporter, on the day of the Commission's final hearing, that he had given up hope of getting answers from the Commission, and that he had brought to the hearing a collection of victims' photographs to "let them look at these faces of the innocent people who were murdered." You should let the people on that website know that we independent 9/11 researchers are trying to provide the victims' families with what they've been asking for all along: answers.

A *request* for those of you

A *request* for those of you who can comment on my DK post:

"Why do you think that whether or not a building is "pre-wired" makes a difference? "Pull it" is not a demolition term. If Larry Silverstein said "pull it" the demolition people would not know what he's talking about."

Please show this lying Dolan bitch this:

http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls/controlled_demolitions.mp3

A transcript:

Female receptionist; Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI): Good afternoon, Loizeaux Company.

Jeff: Um, sorry, do I -- is this Controlled Demolitions?

CDI: Yes it is.

Jeff: Ok, I was wondering if there was someone I could talk to briefly -- just ask a question I had?

CDI: Well what kind of question?

Jeff: Well I just wanted to know what a term meant in demolition terms.

CDI: Ok, what type of term?

Jeff: Well, if you were in the demolition business and you said the, the term "pull it," I was wondering what exactly that would mean?

CDI: "Pull it"?

Jeff: Yeah.

CDI: Hmm? Hold on a minute.

Jeff: Thank you.

CDI: Sir?

Jeff: Yes?

CDI: "Pull it" is when they actually pull it down.

Jeff: Oh, well thank you very much for your time.

CDI: Ok.

Jeff: Bye.

CDI: Bye.

dz: http://kiewit.oregonstate

I AM LIBERAL. Come on. Thats

I AM LIBERAL. Come on. Thats why its upsetting see leftgatekeepers like Daily Kos call us all nuts. The right wing cant help it, but the leftgatekeepers say in one breath they want to expose the Bush regime, yet cover up their election fraud and 9/11 claims. We already know the right wing is corrupt as all get out, thats why I dont even bring it up.
pockybot | 07.05.06 - 6:12 pm | #
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It's understandable when an individual takes up a sincere cause, any cause, and puts on the blinders to everything else. TheyÂ’re simply trying to keep focus. It happens.
However, to spew outright condemnation of the VALID evidence being presented by the 9/11 truth movement and label such people presenting the info. as tinfoil hatters and the like, IMO, those people attempting to muffle such evidence really aren't what they claim to be, and their quest for the truth is a farce. Like most ill fated hypocrites, they simply are not aware of their ways. Or, they are awareÂ…andÂ…
Prognosis?
I don't know if they're disinfo. agents, I don't know if they're hardcore rightwing spies, I donÂ’t know if theyÂ’re paid in drugs and brainwashed child sex laborers. Whatever the case, they aren't looking for answers; they already know everything they need to know. And for whatever reason, everything else must be silenced in the most severe and often cruelest and irrational of ways. They practice this like a code.
Who other than somebody that's "trained" would attempt to wield such censorship over truth?
Not any real Americans I know.

Mia Dolan is an agent. i

Mia Dolan is an agent. i know that accusation gets thrown around way too much. but she is absolutely an agent.

thanks Jeremy.

thanks Jeremy.

thanks DHS.

thanks DHS.

No problem. Hope those help.

No problem. Hope those help.

"Whereelse in US Mainstream

"Whereelse in US Mainstream did i damage anything?"
Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 | 07.05.06 - 6:42 pm | #

Go listen to Jim Fetzer's last interviews with Colmes and Laura Ingraham, they both ask him "So you do think planes actually hit the buildings right?". Please try and recognise the massive damage this "no planes" shit is causing.

Has anyone ever looked at

Has anyone ever looked at this brilliant PDF?

http://tyrannyalert.com/9-11%20fairy%20tale.pdf

Mia Dolan is an agent. i

Mia Dolan is an agent. i know that accusation gets thrown around way too much. but she is absolutely an agent.
Chris | 07.05.06 - 6:58 pm | #
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Does she get paid in drugs and brainwashed child sex laborers?

haha, seriously though, she

haha, seriously though, she is ALWAYS right on top of defending the governemnts story. shes way too quick not to be an agent of some sort.

and pocky, not that global

and pocky, not that global warming is always a left/right issue, but didnt you just get done saying Al Gores movie is "lame"? and your constant vitriol for the "left" ,akes me wonder how liberal you really are.i would have sworn you were a conservative.(not that theres anything wrong with them. the real ones anyway.)

"Mia Dolan is an agent." But

"Mia Dolan is an agent."

But how then does she do such a bad job? She says that "pull it" is not a demolition term when it can be easily proven that it is. (Again, please correct her using the link and transcript above. Thank you!) And so on...

*makes

*makes

she doesnt have to be right,

she doesnt have to be right, she just has to muddy the waters like she always does. sadly she seems to do a flawless job everytime.

i pooled together some stuff

i pooled together some stuff a few weeks ago for anyone interested:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/fig_2_29a.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45448482@N00/137024702/in/set-7205759412022...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/happynullipara/128837255/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gudguds/16518078/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiro_oshima/127764926/in/set-72057594105816...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43341735@N00/125613005/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djtweed/124495095/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djtweed/124496190/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/srahn/121580344/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/indieflickr/119512456/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43341735@N00/125613006/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/p-fotos/115964451/
http://www.swulinski.com/9-11/My911.html
http://www.thomaslockehobbs.com/wtc/wtc03.jpg
http://www.thomaslockehobbs.com/wtc/wtc05.jpg
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7122232302003240689

i think that any real arguements over CGI or hologram theories must address things like what i link to above, otherwise they will come off as only looking at those things that support their arguement and not explain why the counterarguement is not sufficient. i just post the above not to argue a side, but just to show the data which exists which must be considered in any arguement over the subject.

with that said, to each his own, i could really care less what anyone specifically believes, much as i am sure that many could care less what i think as well ;)

Vesa! Are you still around?

Vesa!

Are you still around? I went out for a latte and a bagel and while I was gone you got banned at Kos!

I can't believe the Kos merchandise store doesn't sell special Kos kneepads -- I think they'd be a best seller. The way they worship that man is just wrong.

I'm going to try to post the "pull it" thing and something about Sibel Edmonds, and then I'm going massage a gallon of hand sanitizer up to my elbows.

"she [Mia Dolan] doesnt have

"she [Mia Dolan] doesnt have to be right, she just has to muddy the waters like she always does."

I guess so. Still, I want to see her proven wrong when she categorically says the following:

* * * * *

"Pull it" is not a demolition term. If Larry Silverstein said "pull it" the demolition people would not know what he's talking about.

The only people who think "pull it" is a demolition term are the 9-11 "truth" advocates. Well, they are lying about this just like they are lying about a lot of things. And if you are reading those sites and spreading their misinformation, I would say your goal is not to find the truth, but to spread lies.

* * * * *

casseia or anyone else with the right to post at DailyKos, please show her that *she* is lying here using the Killtown link I posted above.

After this, I won't be going back and bothering you with these kinds of requests. :) In fact, I'll be away from this forum for a few weeks (summer holiday).

Mrs. Jouet wrote: "...If any

Mrs. Jouet wrote:
"...If any supposed imagery that was faked, hoaxed, manipulated or created in a studio was broadcast or published by an MSM source, there is also the need to document that in some detail, backed up with times, recordings, logs, testimony etc...."

We backed it up.
All original sources are available,
including on the websites from CNN, FOX, ABC, Camera Planet and now endlessly mirrored at YOUTUBE + Co.
Furthermore tons of original footage at 911chronology.com

Ok, casseia, thanks!

Ok, casseia, thanks!

I really didn't expect to be

I really didn't expect to be banned, although I was prepared for it. I definitely didn't expect the poll results to be removed. It's *so* transparent...

...sorry the last comment

...sorry the last comment wasn't cookied and also came from me.

Jonathan Gold wrote:
"... Nico... so let me get this straight... you think I purposefully contacted Keith Phucas because of his right wing views as opposed to the fact that he covered Weldon's Able Danger work, and I thought he might be interested in looking deeper into 9/11? Is that what you're saying?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 6:47 pm | #

Gravatar Nico, are you jealous I got on the front page two weeks in a row, and you didn't? Is that what the problem is?..."

Jealousy? Are you nuts? I would be embarrassed. We actually debunked Able Danger as a complete limited hangout disinfo to reinforce the official negligence spin of the 9/11 plotline.

How they deceived you, you have to figure out. I just gave you a hint and actually i didn't give up my hope on you yet.

It's YOU who is in denial on this not me.
YOU met with Phucas, not me and he's a pro war neocon and believes in the Laden-Boxcutter myth...

>>>I want to ask the no

>>>I want to ask the no planer/hologram folks 5 questions:
_____
1. What made the massively loud plane engine noise heard in every news footage and amatuer footage of the 2nd plane heading in?

2. Were Amatuer footage never seized by the government "also" doctored with fake cgi planes?

3. Is every plane part "planted" on the streets of Manhattan and ajacent rooftops?

4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?

5. PROVIDE ONE EXAMPLE of hologram missile technology. Just a picture, something.

How did every new yorker get "duped" into seeing planes fly into buildings?

> IF we are to believe it was demolition, than we HAVE to believe it was either remote control real planes or remote control drone 767's. You can't have hijackers flying into a wired building without a prepositioned flight path. Am I right?
_____

Dem wrote: "...Go listen to

Dem wrote:
"...Go listen to Jim Fetzer's last interviews with Colmes and Laura Ingraham, they both ask him "So you do think planes actually hit the buildings right?". Please try and recognise the massive damage this "no planes" shit is causing.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 7:03 pm ..."

As far as i recall, Jim believes that remote controlled planes hit the Towers and he pointed that out.
So this 'damage' is on his side.

But Colmes seems to know our research.
Too bad that Fetzer is not on our side what that depends....I guess, Colmes deceived him into re-confirm Fetzers remote controlled view....

> I want to ask the no

> I want to ask the no planer/hologram folks 5 questions:

> 1. What made the massively loud plane engine noise heard in every news footage and amatuer footage of the 2nd plane heading in?

Trick question.

There IS NO PLANE NOISE in most second hit videos.
Sometimes it's conspicuously missing, like in the Naudet Second Hit Cartoon.
http://911foreknowledge.com/n2hit.htm
and here:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/1.htm
tho you can hear the helicopter real clear afterward, and jet planes are noizier than helicopters by far.

The Ghostplane Video
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane
features authentic second hit audio.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/ghostplaneaudio.mp3
There's no plane noise in it, and the reporters are talking about explosions amd people running up the street. No mention of a big ole plane flying overhead.

2. Were Amatuer footage never seized by the government "also" doctored with fake cgi planes?

A lot of Second Hit Cartoons have Camera Planet Lineage.
What is "government" and what is not is a misty process when dealing with media companies.
http://google.com/search?q=mockingbird+project

3. Is every plane part "planted" on the streets of Manhattan and ajacent
rooftops?
Yep.
There's even planted debris visable in the the background of the Brave New World clip taken at Church and Murray while the first hit is happening.
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
http://911foreknowledge.com/debris

> 4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?

They are so identical I'd say it's a laser cookiecutter, only half kidding. My favorite guess is space based weaponry.
But for what I can back up with documentation, I stick with what is visable: small (duck size, probably) drone UAVs
http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav
blowing explosive A-Neutronic air-fuel bombs into flashframe-charged air
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/beamweapon.htm
http://missilegate.com

> 5. PROVIDE ONE EXAMPLE of hologram missile technology. Just a picture, something.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/humanunderground.htm

This is another trick question.
I was won over by the TV Fakery arguement for how they accomplished the second hit more than a year ago.
I get nostalgic for Bluebeam (hologram) theory sometimes, but unless somebody can provide some reliable witnesses who actually saw the second plane, I can't even claim people got bluebeamed.
So far the witnesses seem to be cousins of central casting Halloween Terrorists.

> How did every new yorker get "duped" into seeing planes fly into buildings?

Back in a more innocent age, that they were faking what we see on the news seemed impossible. This was before Fat Bin Ladin, Sembrinka, Postage STamp Bin Ladin, and the Plump American Puppy miscast as a skinny Afghanistan stray.

Not everybody got duped:
http://911foreknowledge.com/debris/itsabomb.htm

Shock and Awe Trauma Conditioning did it.
Seeing the TV planes over and over on TV until they were blazened inside people's eyeballs.

People "see" with their imagination more than their eyes anyway.
The first hit has no plane in it.
It seems like a plane musta been there when it plays full speed, but the effect vanishes as soon as the footage is slowed way down or turned to stills.
http://missilegate.com
It's pure hand is quicker than eye trickery.

> Now that said, the 3rd, 4th plane, C-130, helicopter whatever is important to study.

Hoohah.
After all the intentional and accidental misinformation, that's good to hear.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/eh
was first discovered by Terrorize.dk http://terrorize.dk
in the Camera Planet Sample Reels.

> pockybot | 07.05.06 - 6:09 pm | #

So weird, all of my answers

So weird, all of my answers just disappeared from my post. Try again?

But how then does she do

But how then does she do such a bad job? She says that "pull it" is not a demolition term when it can be easily proven that it is,
Vesa

Speaking of Left Gate keepers and really bad disinformation / 911 hit pieces:

The most recent issue of In These Times (the left of the Nation magazine for "progressives')
Their is hit piece on the 911 truth movement, which is just infuriating its so pathetic. Its called, " The 911 Faith Movement". by Terry J. Allen.

Its not on their website the last time I checked (afraid of the progressive bloggers with free minds?) but if any one can scan this and post it, I reccommend they get bombarded with educated, respectful and irrate comments to the editor.

If this is the so-called far left, we are in big fucking trouble!

I've been pacing and mumbling profanities about this article for days now, since I made the mistake of bringing this latest edition on vaction with me.

(Whats really interesting is the cover story for this issue is "Behind The Scenes with Progressive Powerbrokers: What Everyone Knows (but no will say) About Funding the Left": It lays out all of the elite establishment funding which creates the the left gate keepers and obviousely this pathetic hit piece on 911....which is included in the same edition!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean its so bad,,....its almost hard to respond to....I can't believe they even printed it...mumble...mumble..pace...pace..profanity...profanity....)

Hey GW, How about posting

Hey GW,
How about posting this as a thread?
http://www.911truth.org/ article....060405112622982
MikeJr. | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 3:19 pm | #

Has anyone ever looked at this brilliant PDF?

http://tyrannyalert.com/9-11%20f...airy% 20tale.pdf
DHS | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 7:03 pm | #

This is the sort of thing that we should be promoting, not flinging around accusations t each other. Let the disinfo merchants out themselves. Don't feed the trolls.

Thanks Rosalie, I'm too

Thanks Rosalie, I'm too tired to fight. You too Nico, have a great night. I'll be up by 3:00.

dz wrote: "..."...4. What

dz wrote:
"..."...4. What caused the very clear cutout of planes on both towers?..."

....

i think he was asking about the gauge in the building:
http:// www.questionsquestions.ne...wtc1holenew.jpg..."

thanks for heads up.
This is actually forensic research and not part of 9/11 TV Fakery.
The answer has to come from the no-planers.

Since i am here in this room representing the 9/11 tv fakery i don't need to answer, because i don't need the forensic evidence to make my point.

But since i am loyal to no-planers as well (which also includes the possibility that 'nothing = x' hit the towers, i can only speculate, that any kind of unknown military and much smaller formation (s) plus internal explosives damaged this hole.
Definetely not a remote controlled plane, not UA175 and no real plane.

The forensic argument was made a long time ago and was answered here:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
23. What hit the South Tower?

In These Times? never heard

In These Times? never heard of it before. looks like someone(Terry Allen) is trying to impress the big boys.

dz wrote: "...i think that

dz wrote:
"...i think that any real arguements over CGI or hologram theories must address things like what i link to above, otherwise they will come off as only looking at those things that support their arguement and not explain why the counterarguement is not sufficient...."

There is no "or".
It is about CGIs

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
27. So you're telling me a hologram hit the towers?
You didn't read carefully enough. Start from above again.

I present visual evidence as in form from conflicting footage and description of the technique.

The other side of the argument was made years ago:

1 No planes hit the Towers
2 TV fakery took place.
3 The remote control-planers are WRONG.
4 The cartoon-pod detail is disinfo.

That is all what counts to make a case, but the 9/11 truthlings resist and i described here, why:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html

Nico- WESCAM is a CAMERA

Nico-
WESCAM is a CAMERA MOUNT. It is not a camera 'system'. The camera mounted to the gyro was a regular TV video camera. WESCAM mounts are one of the more common brands to use in TV news. The fact that this is one of your central arguments is absurd.

Live pixel- accurate motion tracking is impossible, and live rotoscoping is impossible. CASE CLOSED.

Yes, TV networks have been superimposing their logo over broadcasts for years. This is entirely different from processing live video, determining camera motion, rendering out a CGI plane, seamlessly compositing it while masking out the plane as it passes behind buildings, and reinserting it back into a live broadcast. The software required for such a process is years beyond any video system in the world.

And on top of that, to think that Dick Cheney would rick his entire life's mission on some computer geek with entirely untested and impractical technology...

I've had that video in my

I've had that video in my collection for quite a while. I've always assumed it was a fake, but held onto it just in case.

In other news, I've delivered lots of flyers today, what has everyone else done except argue?

Thanks for Rosalee Grable to

Thanks for Rosalee Grable to show up,
one of the real 9/11 truth heroes of this movement.

We will continue to document the orwellian 9/11 truthlings to expose them here and in the future, once all crimes against humanity will be treated:

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/HaloScan0705.com%20-%20Comments.htm

Nico, I understand you argue

Nico,

I understand you argue the CGI aspect, but there are others that argue the hologram aspect, which is why i said 'CGI or hologram' as that data would pertain to either arguement.

i also understand that much as those that argue flight 77 didnt hit the pentagon, that they cant answer questions like 'well where are the passengers', so i dont expect you to answer everything by any means, just looking for some insight.

WESCAM is a Camera mount AND

WESCAM is a Camera mount AND provides multimedia tools.

Anonymous is wrong and here is the evidence for the WABC7 camera shoot:

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC_908_WESCAM.jpg

W-ABC Camera Type Identification
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC_cam_identification.html
Identification of the W-ABC Camera System

dz wrote: "...I understand

dz wrote:
"...I understand you argue the CGI aspect, but there are others that argue the hologram aspect, which is why i said 'CGI or hologram' as that data would pertain to either arguement.

i also understand that much as those that argue flight 77 didnt hit the pentagon, that they cant answer questions like 'well where are the passengers', so i dont expect you to answer everything by any means, just looking for some insight...."

Wrong.
Hologram was analysed as a 'backup' during 2002-04 and since then broke apart because of the overwhelming evidence and 'simplicity' of CGI-fakery.

There is actually one minor voice who still supports the hologram claim and that is Dr. Stephan Grossman, who we debunked as another URANTIA plant, a cult itself infiltrated by US Intelligence since the 50s.

Some other small voices still speculate about a combination of CGI and Holo.
I remain neutral on this.
Potential use of Holo or last minute scew-ups would not INTERFERE with our findings anyway.

What Pentagon footage depends, that's also not my case, but the variety of fakery is abstract since the 'remix' of the 'art frames' some weeks ago: From simple photoshopping to a combination of augmented reality (AR + VR)

Dz, another personal

Dz,
another personal question and don't take it personal.

Can you finally confirm if you are "working" for Roger Peters or IF RP and DZ is one and the same person?

thx :)

Nico, There is actually one

Nico,

There is actually one minor voice who still supports the hologram claim and that is Dr. Stephan Grossman, who we debunked as another URANTIA plant, a cult itself infiltrated by US Intelligence since the 50s.

well, i dont want to speak on anyone else's behalf incase i am wrong, but the video clip you posted the other day from Rick Siegel showed a helicopter coming from behind the building and suggested that a bright white light on the side of it was the helicopter projecting a hologram of a plane.

there is at least one other user on this forum who has suggested holograms in the past, however i don't want to speak on anyone else's behalf.

in any event, i digress.

Nico, I am Roger Peters, as

Nico,

I am Roger Peters, as I was when you first asked me on the Yahoo groups almost a year ago ;)

however, I choose to use the internet name of 'dz' as i have since the late 90's.. with that said, i would appreciate you continuing to refer to me as dz when possible.

dz wrote: "...the video clip

dz wrote:
"...the video clip you posted the other day from Rick Siegel showed a helicopter coming from behind the building and suggested that a bright white light on the side of it was the helicopter projecting a hologram of a plane...."

I cannot speak for Siegel, but he never claimed that. He thinks, this flash signal implies a weapon for the controlled demolition.
I respectfully disagree btw, and think it is a reflection of the sun on the belly.
But since this investigation is still ongoing and also blocked by the majority of the 9/11 truthlings i am open-minded for any additional explanations, if they can be proven.

I think the helicopters used a simple remote control for the conventional part of the collapse. 2 Choppers passed the Towers at exact same time of collapse. That shouldn't be a coincidence.

But then there is also the unconventional part of the controlled demolition and ask yourself why Prof.Jones is not going there anymore.

This suggests, he could be deceived or planted into a limited hangout against the 'exotic' weaponry, i.e. nanothermite:

During early 2006, i informed the 911Scholars about unconventional weaponry,
who could have additionally forced the collapse.

I'm not sure, why Professor Jones didn't go a step further with his latest
paper, but in case, it gets lost again, here are all my sources.

The suspects for "nanoenergetics" aka superthermite as part of the unconventional part of the controlled demolition can be located at the "Center for NanoEnergetics Research" (created in Spring 2001, only a few months before 9/11), the commercialized Department of Defense Contractor "NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc." (also founded during 2001), Sandia and Lawrence Livermore.

Center for NanoEnergetics Research
http://www.me.umn.edu/~mrz/CNER.htm
CNER is an Army funded center created in the spring of 2001 and exists at four university sites, with the University of Minnesota as the lead institution.

http://www.me.umn.edu/~mrz/CNER.htm
External Advisors-Collaborators

Dr. Alex Gash,Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL)
Dr. Carl Melius,Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL)
Dr. Andrzej Miziolek,Army Research Laboratory (ARL)
Dr. Betsy Rice,Army Research Laboratory (ARL)
Prof. Mintmire Oklahoma State University

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/nanotech/nano_exchange_safety.html
...Very little is known about the safety risks presented by engineered nanomaterials. From currently available information, the prevalent safety risks are most likely to involve catalytic effects or fire and explosion hazards....

"....Although insufficient information exists to predict the fire and explosion risk associated with nanoscale powders, nanoscale combustible material could present a higher risk than a similar quantity of coarser material...
...The greater activity of nanoscale materials forms a basis for research into nanoenergetics. For instance, nanoscale Al/MoO3 thermites ignite more than 300 times faster than corresponding micrometer-scale material...

http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2005/11/28/story1.html
November 25, 2005

A Texas company that has developed a powerful alternative to conventional lead-based munitions says it will commercialize and market its explosive compound through a spin-off company it plans to establish in New Mexico.

During a recent visit here, executives from Nanoenergetics Inc. said New Mexico's research and testing assets, economic incentives, growing private investment scene and accessible political leaders make it an ideal place to establish their new startup.

Nanoenergetics is being spun off from Austin-based Nanotechnologies Inc....

http://www.nanoscale.com/about.asp
Unique nanoparticles, reactor technology and enabling applications
NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. is a leading manufacturer of precision-engineered nanoparticles, with average particle sizes between 10 to 50 nanometers. Our expertise is in metal and metal oxide powders that are pure, discrete, spherical, and highly crystalline nanoparticles. NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc.'s materials allow customers to build new classes of products that we have labeled ANEASM, or "Advanced Nanoparticle Enabled ApplicationsSM".

NANOTECHNOLOGIES Inc. management team
http://www.nanoscale.com/about_team.asp
Dr. Dennis Wilson - Chief Technology Officer, Chairman of the Board and Founder

Dennis is co-founder of NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. and co-inventor of the proprietary process. He received his Ph.D. in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Texas in 1977, and has more than 30 years of experience in industry, government, and university research. Dennis' expertise is in hypervelocity physics, plasma dynamics, aerothermodynamics, and materials synthesis...

...Dennis has eight years of technology management as founder and president of Applied Sciences, Inc. He has also served as director of special projects at the Institute for Advanced Technology. In addition, Dennis has been awarded a NASA Faculty Research Fellowship on three occasions, a DoE Research Fellowship twice, and an AFOSR Research Fellowship...

Darrin Willauer - Vice President, Engineering
Darrin joined NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. in 2000 and is responsible for engineering development activities for all projects and research programs.
...project engineer with Dowell Schlumberger,

Dr. Kurt Schroder - Chief Scientist
Dr. Schroder joined NANOTECHNOLOGIES Inc. in 2000 and is a co-inventor of the core processes. He holds an S.B. in Physics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a Ph.D. in Physics from the University of Texas at Austin. He has over 15 years experience in plasma physics and pulsed power and has worked for industry, government, and academia. Kurt has numerous publications, 2 patents, and several patents pending in the following technology areas: vibration reduction and impact physics in hammers and sports rackets; blackbody radiation diagnostics and magnetic fluctuation measurements in tokamak plasmas; and onboard optical telemetry systems and launch package design and diagnostics on railguns.

http://www.cnanotech.com/pages/resources_and_news/press_release_archive/...

Houston, Texas, January 24, 2002 –
Carbon Nanotechnologies, Inc. (CNI) said today that it has stepped up efforts to develop applications utilizing single-wall carbon nanotubes for defense and national security purposes. CNI has engaged the noted consulting firm of Technology Strategies & Alliances (TSA), headquartered in Burke, Virginia, near Washington, D. C., to assist in the strategic market development of national defense directed products. The company believes that an accelerated research effort will bring new and significantly improved products to market that can enhance national defense.

“The U.S. Department of Defense, the Navy, Air Force, Army, and NASA have been involved for some time in extensive research using single-wall carbon nanotubes or ‘Buckytubes’,” said Bob G. Gower, President of CNI. “We believe that Buckytubes can significantly enhance the ability of defense products to shield, absorb, or otherwise modify electro-magnetic signals, key needs in many mission-critical areas...

Molecular Nano Weapons: Research in China and Talk in the West
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/27/101732.shtml
Friday, Feb. 27, 2004

The Impact of Emerging Technologies
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/01/wo/wo_gartner012105.asp?p=1
January 21, 2005
Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs...

...With funding from the U.S. government, Sandia National Laboratories, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory are researching how to manipulate the flow of energy within and between molecules, a field known as nanoenergentics, which enables building more lethal weapons such as "cave-buster bombs" that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs such as the "daisy cutter" or MOAB (mother of all bombs)...

dz wrote: "...Nico, I am

dz wrote:
"...Nico,

I am Roger Peters..."

thx for this confirmation.
Fairness should allow to tell you, that i was working on a dossier on 911blogger.com since you recently censored us, which i found rather irritating.

I will not release this dossier yet,
but might confront you on some issues in a seperate list, once you're open minded on this.
The main facts are already forwarded to close correspondents.

It refers to your own background, which is interesting. As far as i found out you live(d) in a hotel for $3000 each month, which is also listed in various real estate lists.

You 'backed up' by a T-Shirt Company, which was established during 2001 in Leipzig, Germany.

One of their US addresses are linked to an unidentified Air Condition Company.
I have more, but do you wanna comment now on this?

I hope, you see the urgency to clarify your own credibility,

thx

nico

BTW, if anyone can prove one

BTW, if anyone can prove one way or the other that the main video linked to in my post is faked/real, please post your info at GeorgeWashington.blogspot.com, so I don't have to keep checking back here.

Thanks.

Nico, It refers to your own

Nico,

It refers to your own background, which is interesting. As far as i found out you live(d) in a hotel for $3000 each month, which is also listed in various real estate lists.

You 'backed up' by a T-Shirt Company, which was established during 2001 in Leipzig, Germany.

One of their US addresses are linked to an unidentified Air Condition Company.

incorrect, incorrect, and incorrect. i have no connections to any of those three things you are referencing, unless the t-shirt company you are referring to is spreadshirt.com who we sell our 911blogger logo shirts through - who i have no other connection to, and from whom i have not made a single dollar from.

i would GREATLY appreciate you emailing me directly as none of these things are accurate.

Fairness should allow to

Fairness should allow to tell you, that i was working on a dossier on 911blogger.com since you recently censored us, which i found rather irritating.

btw, i never censorred you (or 'us' as you put it), i did delete a bunch of comments from a thread the other day, but your posts were not the majority of those posts, and i did not delete all of your posts.

I hope, you see the urgency to clarify your own credibility,

do you not see how statements such as these, along with your desire to nail down who i am as a person and all of my historical background could be viewed as a form of intimidation? i do not feel i have any need to clarify my own credibility as i have done nothing that should bring into question my credibility. i hope you can understand how statements like this might be misconstrued as a strong arm tactic.

dz, thanks for the quick

dz,
thanks for the quick reply.

Most of my research results are indeed referring to spreadshirt.com, founded by Lukasz
Gadowski, Matthias C. Spiess and Michael Petersen, with Spiess linking to SIEMENS and INFINEON, a DOD contractor. Not that this is a problem, because many siemens contractors are of military nature.

What Spreadshirt depends, they have an address at your 'hotel' in Baton Rouge, Louisiana but also offices in Spain, Switzerlan and another address in Greensburg, PA .

The reverse phone check links it to
Ice Qube Inc. 911 South Main Street, Greensburg PA US 15601 which is
Hazardous Duty Enclosure Air Conditioners.

They also have another address in Westmoreland, interestingly that is very close to Shanksville.

If you give me your current email address, we can analyse this more open-minded . I can be contacted at nicohaupt2@yahoo.com

dz, i am out of my desk

dz,

i am out of my desk pretty soon and i think i owe you some new respect, that you let the debate rolling.

What my research on you depends, yes it can be defined as intimidation, but the entry facts had been described on your own website as well, as also at spreadshirt.

Since i was intimidated on this list as well and accused as nazi, "illegal" or disinfo agent i guess, i have the right to check these backgrounds as i once also did on 911truth.org, Karl Schwarz and other suspicious characters in this movement.

If we wouldn't have done this, we would never have been able to reveal other fakes like Ruppert + Co.

This is just fair.
My bio is here, you can look for any intimidating stuff as well, which is your right:
http://911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html

More at 911tvfakery.blogspot when i worked for PSEUDO in NYC, which is itself a controversial entity but i never denied my association with it.

"...along with your desire to nail down who i am as a person and all of my historical background could be viewed as a form of intimidation?..."

nico, emailing you now.

nico,

emailing you now.

Nico......you have gone too

Nico......you have gone too far this time......(or maybe I should say again).......publishing all that bullshit on your 'investigation' into DZ and 911 blogger in the comment section....the fucking comment section.?!!!!!!!...WTF!!!!!!!!
His personal email and contact is readily available, this is blatant intimidation and slandering......

I've given you the benefit of the doubt before.....but now you have clearly shown your true colors........Fuck you Nico!!!!!! and your crusade to destroy good people and this movement through rumour and inuendo.

DZ don't tell him a fucking thing...(Treat me nice or "lll spread rumours is Nico is saying...Fuck him)

....and DZ , you still have an order of wings coming to you.

HOLY SHIT! Nico Haupt

HOLY SHIT!

Nico Haupt investigated dz?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And EVERYTHING was wrong?!?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I don't know what to say...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I just shit myself.

I just shit myself.

so dz lives in Hotels for

so dz lives in Hotels for $3000.00 a month? damn dz, i didnt know you rolled like that. haha.

Hold on... I have to wipe my

Hold on... I have to wipe my ass... be with you in a few minutes.

Ok... so Nico Haupt took it

Ok... so Nico Haupt took it upon himself to investigate dz (Roger Peters), the owner and founder of www.911blogger.com.

Jesus... I've talked with his girlfriend. I helped them get out of the hurricane areas when Katrina hit. I shared a room with him in Chicago. I've talked to him on the phone. I agreed to put my site on his, and vice versa. I may not agree with some of Blogger's policies, but the people behind it are TRUE Americans and Canadian bastages.

This pretty much takes the cake Nico. Who in their right mind would devote so much time in trying to somehow "discredit" dz or anyone else in the movement?

I pity you. I really do.

Chris et.. nothing was

Chris et..

nothing was "wrong".
Dz and me cleared that out.

The background on the T-shirt company was correct and has nothing to do with him. I'm sure it is also important to tell him these facts to protect himself.

Our private conversation was civilized and respectful.

He's doing a good job, what i cannot say about " Radical Pragmatist " who allows the slander on my very own person without any backup, why i just asked some harmless questions to dz.

We had an important debate today in this room and the results are that the planehuggers had nothing to debunk on 9/11 TV Fakery and lost the argument again.

I respect dz for not shutting down or censoring the debate.

over and out for today.

PS:
My interview at http://www.vyzygoth.com/ will be up pretty soon and all i have to say will continue at
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com

There is no single disinfo over there.

oh, so you just made that

oh, so you just made that shit up about dz living in hotels and slandered him on his own site? nice.

There's no "risk" in pulling

There's no "risk" in pulling off a 1,000' altitude, 5 mile-long CGI trick in front of 10's of thousands of witnesses and a dozen TV cameras without the slightest visual glitch?

Or am I not getting the concept here?
Rumpl4skn | 07.05.06 - 5:51 pm

Rumpl, you hit the nail right on the head!!! Thank you! One minor glitch, & the whole operation would have been sunk. They would NOT have risked any failure like this.

I agree with you Jimmy, he

I agree with you Jimmy, he really does need a mistress to help him with his wardrobe. I'll do you one better; I actually offered Nico a $2,300. a month apartment at Westbeth for a (limited) free stay, -he wouldn't take it. (Maybe he's secretly staking-out the subways all nite, just in case they try another 7/7.) ((BTW, Nico; DrZ in NYC has left this option open to me for a long time: "Maybe you need a few months of Urban Hell to set you right!"))

My response: Just send me a kaiser-roll with a schmere, and two caufees-reglar! Nico and I are about the same, good call, Don Pardo.
TS Gordon | 07.05.06 - 6:30 pm | #

LOL! All i'm saying is that maybe Nico Should clean himself up a little so people might take him more seriously. It just ain't right when the guy looks like he just climbed out of a dumpster. Sorry Nico but............Damn dude wash yourself and shave. You look like a grunge video extra.

Wow, why is Nico looking up

Wow, why is Nico looking up the personal information of anyone who says they dont believe the no plane theory?

The 9/11 truth movement is pretty interesting. On one end you have the "gross incompetence to almost LIHOP"...on the other extreme end, you have...well Nico and a few others.

Is it possible some photos, videos, etc were later retouched? Sure. Is it possible absolutely nothing hit the towers? I dont think so.

However, as much as Nico's name calling, playing detective on people etc is not cool, I will say this:

Nico and others make some interesting arguments in shooting down the remote controll/plane swap scenario. I often say if you believe controlled demolition you have to accept remote control or swapped plane with remote control. Why?

Because you cant have real hijackers smashing into where the chargers are. IF you think the hijackers were in control of 11 and 175, then you cant believe in controlled demolition.

If you believe in no plane, well anything is possible. And I agree with Nico on this: the hologram argument IS stupid...tho I am a bit disturbed how in almost every footage of the second plane the left wing and back end flicker out...as if, well...I wont go there. I maintain that they are planes of some sort. and will add I didnt know that SOME witnesses claim it was bombs rather than a 2nd plane.

I also want to apologize for name calling to people on here. If you want to believe in no planes, thats cool...but PLEASE do not spend so much time attacking 99% of the 9/11 Truth movement. Calling us "truthlings" giving a limtioed hangout is pretty insulting.

first.. I am getting

first..

I am getting dis-enchanted with the US-american 911 truth movement.

There ARE truely exciting avenues of research.. but they are not being followed.

In short: anything physical (immutable), hollywood-deception-video-evidence (expensive) and face-voice-testimony (duh!) is worth keeping EXTREMELY GOOD TRACK OF.

I am missing a database of SUCH THINGS.

Thompsons timeline is a good attempt.

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I have officially requested http://911truth.wikia.com/ and
in a few days it shall open
for our common good.
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One more thing, at least

One more thing, at least Nico and the no planers and US agree on one thing: WingTv are bunch of disinfo fuckers that are disinformation artists.

Btw, there should be a band called "Nico and the No Planers"...or "Harrison Ford and the Get Off My Planers".

Btw, I know where the remote control theory started: the Lone Gunmen March 2001 pilot on Fox, Alex Jones, and Lt Col Donn Grand-Pre

also understand that much

also understand that much as those that argue flight 77 didnt hit the pentagon, that they cant answer questions like 'well where are the passengers', so i dont expect you to answer everything by any means, just looking for some insight.
dz | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 7:47 pm | #

dz, sorry to interrupt this Nico Haupt investigating you lunacy.

However, some people are leaning towards the idea that most of the passengers were govÂ’t imposters as called for back in Operation Northwoods. The real planes would have landed, & drones would have struck the targets.

One thing IÂ’ll tell you is they didnÂ’t honestly ID any passengers who slammed the Pentagon @ 530 mph & exploded.

This Nico Haupt "private

This Nico Haupt "private eye" shit is extremely disturbing. Why is Nico trying to dig up dirt on dz of all people? Very suspicious.

I remember the New York Magazine article in which Nico is of course quoted saying that the passengers were poisoned with gas. Nico always manages to say something foolish to make the movement look bad.

He's doing a good job, what

He's doing a good job, what i cannot say about " Radical Pragmatist " who allows the slander on my very own person without any backup, why i just asked some harmless questions to dz.
Nico

Nico...don't feign innocence......what do I have to back up? I was responding to your post and the fact that you decided to clarify your 'harmless questions' about DZ in the comments sections before emailing him directly......backup??? You attack everyone that doesn't agree with you with name calling and derogetory labels...thats a fact.
(I admit others have done the same to you, but that doesn't make it right or productive,....what are we in fucking kindergarten?)

I have never called you any names...our previous exchanges have been cordial and informative, I asked pointed questions, you responded and I responded sometimes critically but respectfully based on the information you provided..

I don't know you personally, I am criticizing your actions, which went beyond the threshold of respectful discourse once again........ but this time it sounded like intimidation and slander. That is completely unacceptable and I do not have any regret for calling you on it.

I don't agree with the

I don't agree with the Repugs' illegal alien crackdown, but in Nico's case, I think the INS should investigate whether he is here legally.

Nico Haupt = cartoon hugger

Nico Haupt = cartoon hugger + truth disrupter + trouble maker

I look at it this way,

I look at it this way, anybody who would leave their native country for a life in New York City is either chasing a mirage, hooked on entertainment, squandering their family's inheritance, or simply desperate to get laid! Since Nico doesn't fit neatly into any of those categories, I decided the minute I met him that any exchange of info we might share would probably be beneficial for both of us. I discovered three interesting and admirable qualities. First, he has an inherent 'gravitational-pull' for mystery and intrigue. Second, he had gone as far as I've ever seen any American go in search of the root of contemporary culture, thus I could relate this to my personal youthful quest to visit every single art-reproduction image I could find. {Remember, I have 20/20 vision, but couldn't read until I was 23. I've never read a complete newspaper, but have judged everything by the caption beneath these images, and I have studied nearly 1/2 million magazine images and art books in all.}

As I was saying, the third remarkable attribute I discovered was Nico's wanton ability to address the moment, (being in his Nexus,) without a care in the world about dragging around a security-blanket, like so many of us other adult children. As to his actual ability to sustain through a raging fire, or a New Orleans, these would all contribute to one's abitity to remain secure, so I would say he's more trustworthy than your average middle-class brats, above.

Cities are a deadly force on some folks. After my third trip through the Whitney Museum, I decided I had seen enough. There's no space, no air, no water, no hope for most. One day I was sitting atop the loft in Bklyn, watching the heroin deals on one corner, while the cops were milling about their station at the other end of the block. I wondered, what would it take for anyone in a moment of desperation, to simply go ahead and jump?

That's when I moved to Woodstock. It was a blast. My point to all of you is sometime you need to realize it's time to simply get out. Call this country toast. It will never again live up to our spiritual, or emotional needs. No place to raise a child, or enjoy your days in what we all must admit has become one really sick joke on the world!

I'm going to South America to sell organic fertilizer. I need to teach, and to heal the earth. Hopefully, I'll learn to bake a fine baguette, and maybe to judge my life not by what I own, but by what I can give back to the children, and to the child-within. It begins with a 'purge' Three days with nothing but 6oz of lemon-water. Try that and then call me a silly romantic. But, when Greenland melts, and it won't be long, at least you can say you knew someone once who really was connected to the earth, who saw his own life and was drawn to attend to that aether.

I was informed that I will live to be 55. I have just 3.5 years to go. Thank you all for your courageous patriotism. My next post will be my last.

Tom-Scott Gordon, WTC Photographer,
Emery-Roth Architects, 1989.
-no forwarding address

Correction: I HAD good

Correction: I HAD good vision. :) Reading all this crap has forced me to wear specs, but at least I learned that you have to be able to keep the letters in the right order in order to make sense. (I'll let you decide that! :) )

Peace

...hundreds of comments in

...hundreds of comments in this thread. Sorry no time to read them all. But it sure appaears as if, collectively, some need was felt to dilute/bury [comments in] this thread.

It seems like thewebfairy.com was "out in front", from the beginning, on collecting/presenting 9/11 videos online.

I liked that it had a collection of vidoes showing the 1st WTC impact "flash frame", which I'd recorded off-the-air after dark on 9/11. (That was, for me, the tie-breaking piece of evidence in determining whether I went to bed that night blaming "Muslim hijackers" or not.)

But a preponderance of illogical behaviors at thewebfairy.com over the years have led me to conclude that there is an insidious ulterior purpose to that web site: to mix far-out-looking-but-valid evidence of high-tech foul play (ie, the "flash frame") with complete nonsense, in an attempt to get people to, on behalf of the perpetrators, disregard the far-out-looking, valid, slam-dunk, big-lie-breaking evidence.

Kind of an intentional "poison one's own well" or "throw the baby out with the bathwater" deal.

webfairy.com also helps fill another role: to be seen as a leading, but not too rigorous or believable, opponent of the plane-huggers. (The plane-huggers pretend to oppose the govt, and then a fake/pretend opponent for the plane-huggers is needed...)
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I've decided to take it upon

I've decided to take it upon myself to investigate somebigguy.

Somebigguy... how long have you been dressing up in women's clothing?

Somebigguy... how long have you been beating up old ladies just so you can take their purse?

Somebigguy... I see that you have $1,000,000.00 in your bank account. Where did you get that money?

Alex Jones recently hosted a

Alex Jones recently hosted a faked Pentagon impact video, i cannot recall who the person was that created it.

Regardless, I constantly run into people that use the faked Pentagon video as "proof" that a plane hit the pentagon.

Alex may not have created it, but he was responsible for it's mass distribution, and therefore part of the disinfo campaign.

Unfortunately we are witnessing the same tactic once again.

Come on guys, use your heads!

"and therefore part of the

"and therefore part of the disinfo campaign"

So you're saying that there is absolutely no proof in the world that a plane did in fact hit the Pentagon, and that spreading a movie around that depicts that is "disinfo"?

If we ask the wrong

If we ask the wrong questions, we're very unlikely to ever get the right answer.

Asking whether or not "a plane" hit the buildings is asking the wrong question. (The behavior of govt-friendly agents such as Jim Hoffman exemplify this form of misdirection, by acting like we should all be satisfied that the government's wild tale of 9/11 must be correct if any evidence of any plane parts at all are found, which is complete utter nonsense. That is another way in which govt agents love to try to get us dogs all barking up the wrong trees, making a lot of noise which will never advance the investigation.)

The important question is whether the government-claimed, particular, purportedly-hijacked-by-Muslims, civilian Boeing commercial passenger airliners are what hit the buildings.

The important answer is, "No. The government's version of events of 9/11 is all a huge horrible multi-level-deep lie".

In the case of the Pentagon, the only imagery of the attack reveals that it was not (IOW, it was too small to possibly be) a 757 involved, which establishes that it was not the government-claimed, particular, purportedly-hijacked-by-Muslims, civilian Boeing 757 passenger airliner. (oops...)

In the case of the 1st WTC impact, the only known imagery of the attack reveals that it was not the purportedly-hijacked-by-Muslims civilian Boeing 767 passenger airliner seen slamming into the North Tower! (oops...)

So, in order to believe government's version of events, one must repeatedly ignore the evidence and/or believe government institutions more than one's own eyes!!!

To distract from the slam-dunk govt-lie-killing evidence we do already have, fake 911 truthers will pathetically create fake videos, or try to get us to worry about 'other' videos which we have never seen... (In that sense, thewebfairy.com is as much a wolf-in-sheepdogs-clothing site as is wtc7.net -- both are run by people who try to get us to ignore the big-lie-killing evidence by trying to get us to concern ourselves with answers to the wrong questions, and endless factional bickering regarding them. The only reason I prefer to point out the treachery behind wtc7.net than behind thewebfairy.com is that wtc7.net tends to conceal all the best govt-lie-breaking evidence, while thewebfairy.com presents some of it and then tries to diminish its believability by acting wacky in other ways, and I do not wish to aid thewebfairy.com in its goal of diminishing the believability of the valid govt-lie-killing visual evidence included among all the chaff on display there.)

The evidence that the entire government fable of 9/11 is all one huge horrible lie is all around us! (And so are govt-friendly agents, working in plain sight to help the govt, even as they pretend/appear to be opposing it. Fake opposition fools most of the people most of the time...)
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Here's the fake one

Here's the fake one referenced in this thread:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/

Here's the real one:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/6890079223131056/crash/

Pockybot wrote: "tho I am a

Pockybot wrote:
"tho I am a bit disturbed how in almost every footage of the second plane the left wing and back end flicker out...as if, well...I wont go there. I maintain that they are planes of some sort."

Maybe they are real planes (of some sort)... but real planes with real wings... doesn´t flicker out, do they?

I very much thing we need "to go there"... It shouldn't be the only thing in our minds, there still a lot of other stuff that´s critically important, but so is this, and if we refuse "to go there", just because we don´t like the implications... well.. there isn´t much TRUTH(meaning following the evidence whereever it may take us) left in the TRUTH movement, is there?

Anyway, this thread is growing old. Thanks for a (mostly) intelligent and constructive discussion.

Best