well i sure as hell aint giving The Times any more money than i have to. anybody got the whole thing yet?

Whole thing...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11591

When there are "registration only" articles, come to the YBBS... I'm registered most everywhere for the most part.

On the sex offender list, too, Jon?
;)

Check out the following good article about Barrett here:
http://www.channel3000.com/news/9560741/detail.html

Be sure to click on "Watch The Show" just after the first paragraph, for a 20-minute interview with Barrett by a remarkably fair interviewer.

you know geo, same guy who says David Ray Griffin is the spawn of the devil.

The fact that Kevin's name in the NYT OPED and that it is not a hit piece indicates to me that the door is cracked a little bit open.

Maybe the writer found a way to introduce the subject and still make it past the gatekeepers at the NYT.

The trick is to get the information out there.

Hey Chris, dont bring me into the middle of that.

Jon can do what he wants, his posts and BB are a big help.

And my posts on DRG agree with most of what DRG and JOn say,I just suspect that his one world agenda leads to a leap of faith. a false conclusion.

Lets debate that instead-the conclusion-was it a bloated CIA bureaucracy that did it , or a group of private operatives tied to Saudi Arabia and MI6.

Were not supposed to debate-but we can share evidence prop and con.

Hello brothers and sisters,

I need help truthing over at "Crooks and Liars". The first post I put up today was deleted in less than a minute. And all the rest of my posts following that were also deleted.

I find it very strange that someone is monitoring and deleting all 9/11 posts at a moments notice. Anyway, please help me out on this thread if you can:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/22/open-thread-179/

Here's the link anonymoused to protect your
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.crooksandliars.com...

If anyone decides to help me out, don't waste your time writing out a long post, because it will be zapped before you can make another. I'm blasting them with stuff like links to 9/11 articles and documentaries.

Also, if there are any hardcore researchers out there that can dig up personal info on the person that runs that website (John Amato) please post it here :) . I'm interested in knowing what his backround is. I'm convinced he's working for the criminals that did 9/11. Let's expose that bastard!

I thought the article was fair, but completely avoided the question which the author raised, viz., "In short, whether something is an appropriate object of academic study is a matter not of its content — a crackpot theory may have had a history of influence that well rewards scholarly scrutiny — but of its availability to serious analysis."

So, what does the author think re 911 in an Islamic studies course? Is it "available" to serious analysis? (And, I'm sure the author would agree, is it PRESENTED in such a way as to make this abundantly clear?)

Well, neither the author nor myself has taken Barrett's course, so we can't say for sure whether or not serious analysis is PRESENTED responsibly, but judging from
Barrett's interviews on the subject, he gives every indication of approaching the subject in this fashion. I would have have preferred the author say so, also, but I don't have a big problem with him not doing so. (Even if it strikes me as a little cowardly...)

The question of whether you CAN approach the subject in a serious, analytic way should be answered in the affirmative - what, after all, are Professor Griffin's books about if not serious attempts to address these issues?

I think, though, it should be admitted by everybody that a lot of the 911 information is poor on verification. Part of this is because it's often impossible to get not only a straight answer, but even a relevant question out of the US government. (By "even a relevant question", I'm referring to the fact that the 911 commission wouldn't even ASK certain questions, including, IIRC, about 2/3 of the questions submitted by the Jersey Girls.) E.g., both CT'ers and OCT'ers refer to the fact that most of the WTC steel was shipped off to China and India, but nobody checks to see if "souveneirs" were kept or if, perhaps, some or all of it was dumped in the ocean and never made it to it's alleged destination.

Even more amazing is that NOBODY is confirming, or disconfirming, the work of Hopsicker . Hopsicker recently posted an article (" 5.5 Ton Cocaine Bust Reveals New Details of the 911 Attack" madcowprod.com) tying Atta to the US military-industrial complex yet AGAIN, which furthermore presents leads to actually solving the the case. The US government is doing NOTHING about this information, but neither is the rest of society. Not the "alternative press", not the 911 Truthers, not the "debunkers".

How, then, do we know that Hopsicker is correct, or not? In science, independent verification is essential. I see no reason why we should have to rely on the honesty of just one man - any man. This is no knock against Hopsicker, BTW. It is, in a sense, a knock against everybody else!

These are no trivial issues, because if you are going to teach a course such as Barrett's, you have to decide whether or not to mention Hopsicker. Through no fault of either Barrett's or Hopsicker's, Hopsicker's research is unverified.

Personally, I would include it with the appropriate caveats. Furthermore, part of the story of 911 is the ensuing COVERUP, and the lack of action by the US government to jump on Hopsicker's leads and find the evil-doers is certainly relevant to this particular aspect.

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All in all, I'd give the article an "A".

Who called me a pornographer?

geo slandered you and anyone else who has ever looked at porn as pedophiles.(he went by the name Enemy of LIHOP in the Ellsberg thread).he was going on about the fact taht you posted on Howard Stern.

No problem-except for the Misogyny and exploitation part-i.e. Dyncorp.
Enemy of LIHOP | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 7:46 pm | #
so you eqaute adult women having sex with adult men for money on film,legally i might add, with CORPORATE CHILD SEX RINGS? you cant be serious........
Chris | Homepage | 07.23.06 - 12:11 pm | #

It is apparently quite legal to put removeable stickers on U.S. currency!!!

As part of the campaign, NBC will pay retailers with stickered $1 bills, which cashiers will then distribute to customers with their change. The sticker will drive recipients to a Three Wishes section on the NBC Web site NBC.com/Three_Wishes and encourage consumers to use the marked dollars to fulfill another person's wish to coincide with the show's theme...

http://promomagazine.com/news/nbcthreewishes_090805/index.html

2. He has disgusting friends that miss his thousands of posts on Stern Planet(which he's luckily deleted)
"All Gold9472 posts disapeared. It's like he never existed. Doc and spicabella only had a few dozen posts but Gold had thousands."

http://sternplanet.com/boards/ sh...hlight=Gold9472

3. He discredits and embarasses the movement when he mixes his private behavior with the 911 message.

http://sternplanet.com/boards/sh...ead.php? t=11942

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This is a member of the 911 truth steering committee?

but now hes saying he values your site and posts, so hey? what are you gonna do right?

geo, this is how moles act. they try to create division and attack people. that isnt very "christian" of you.

And there is the not as legal permanent way too: http://www.cruelty.com/money/

I read those posts.

There are no refrences to JG and pedophilia.

Chris, take this argument off the blog if u want.

Youre not doing anyone a favor

I just watched the Barrett interview. I would like to thank Kevin for doing an excellent job. I just wish everyone in the country could and would watch it. Only a brain dead Bush backer would still believe the official 9/11 "sham" report after listening to Kevin. Thanks again Kevin, job well done!

Speaking of Hopsicker....

We need a citizen-funded media that proactively seeks the truth, and at least attempts to do some of the work that the US Government is supposed to do, but does not. I have written a proposal for just such a media, wherein small automatic disbursements could be made from subscription fees to fund specific investigative reporting topics of interest to the subscriber.

THIS INTOLERABLE SITUATION RE LACK OF VERIFICATION DOES NOT NEED TO BE PERPETUATED.

Please check out the entire (but short) thread at

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=76406

and forward to anybody who might be interested.

Gentlemen,

Take the porn debate to a different site, please.

when you need a password to read any article on the net that requires registration, go here:

http://www.bugmenot.com

a database of passwords for free use.

Here here reprehensor

Chris:

this is how moles act. they try to create division and attack people.

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Stop republishing LIHOPs irrelevent stuff and stick to 911

More--it is legal to put removable stickers on U.S. currency!!!:

NEW YORK — Money talks, and now promotes as well: Dollar bills are the medium being used by two independent media specialty companies to reach viewers for new TV shows.

50,000 U.S. bills

New York-based Media Kitchen affixed 50,000 one-dollar bills with peel-off stickers stamped with the air date, time and channel of Traffic: the Miniseries to promote the three-part cable special for its client, USA Network. The bills went into circulation Jan. 8 at bars in New York and Los Angeles.

http://www.why-war.com/news/2004/01/19/adsaffix.html