Confirmed: The Pakistani General Who Wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta Met with Wolfowitz, Feith and Other Neocons the Week of 911
GeorgeWashington Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:18pm
In response to a Freedom of Information Act Request submitted by Kevin Ryan, Mick Harrison and Paul Smith, the government has disclosed documents confirming that Pakistani ISI General Ahmed - the guy who wired 100,000 dollars to lead hijacker Atta -- met with Wolfowitz, Feith, Peter Rodman (PNAC), and others the week of he week of 9/11.
All credit goes to Kevin, Mick and Paul. I'm just reporting on their efforts.
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Substantially re-written:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/07/confirmed-pakistani-genera...
Probably Regarding U.S. Decisions To Act Upon Afghanistan
The U.S. decided just before 9/11 to take action against Afghanistan. Pakistan would seem to be part of the equation.
Interestingly, Wolfowitz is notorious for not being interested in the topic of "terrorism" just prior to 9/11. Seems Iraq was also on the minds of some during this time.
Good job...
To all involved. Everything is classified in the document.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030325-11.html
Does that document say that Tommy Franks met with him as well?
I always found this to be interesting from Franks.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010602140951/http://www.house.gov/hasc/open...
"The Central Region is of vital interest to the United States. Sixty-eight percent of the world's proven oil reserves are found in the Gulf Region and 43 percent of the world's petroleum exports pass through the Strait of Hormuz. The developing energy sector of the Central Asian States, with the potential for discovery of additional oil reserves, further emphasizes the importance of the Central Region to America and the world."
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nice
by putting a line thru Feith's name, are they saying he wasn't there? They put a line thru all the "confidential" headings
I wonder if US rep (6), redacted, was Condoleeza "he was CERTAINLY NOT meeting with me!!!" Rice?
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://911truth.org/images/resources/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%2...
Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
90% of the whole thing...
Is classified. It's so we feel secure nationally.
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it's not working for me, and what are the 3 characters?
all those blanked out parts make me feel less secure, especially knowing some stuff about the names that aren't redacted- i suppose some of those invisible public servants might say i'm unAmerican
Page 13 at the top: SECRET/***/NOFORN/ORCON the scribbled out 3 letter whatever it is, is partly visible- I'd say the
1st letter is L almost for sure
2nd - C or G ?
3rd - S - see pg 2 also for this one
What would this be- is it necessarily an agency, or is it a code? Might the characters be numbers?
pg 13 is the most clear that i can see, but bits on other pages are slightly visible.
9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://911truth.org/images/resources/Family%20Steering%20Cmte%20review%2...
Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
NOFORN...
Not Releasable to Foreign Nationals/Governments/Non-US Citizens
ORCON...
Dissemination & Extraction of Information Controlled by Originator
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I have to agree about the "blanks"
That always looked spooky , and not in a good way. It produces anxiety in people, not security. It's bollox anyway--like police investigations, once it's over and you have the perp, it should be ALL available to the public.
Mind they probably drag out some poncy excuse like " well, its never really over thats why we can't tell you everything".
*sigh*
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By the way...
It may be better to say he allegedly ordered Sheikh to transfer the $100,000 to Atta. Believe me, there is enough information to suggest that it did happen... but it is still alleged.
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"Believe me"
"Believe me, there is enough information to suggest that it did happen.."
Sorry, but i dont really like to just "believe" people on such things, i prefer to see some actual evidence.
Why should i speculate on someones 'believes' ?
This whole story seems really dubious to me.
Ok then.
Don't believe me. Do your own research.
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OK
Yes, ive done my own research. And i came to the conclusion that this story is highly dubious from a to z.
Its very speculative, and the sources are dubious too. Not even to mention the conflicts of interest ....
Also, as Danse points out below, even if it were true, what does it mean?
It seems quite weird to me that someone who thinks the demolition of the towers is 'speculation' would consider this whole story as bulletproof.
Sounds like a double-standard to me.
Because...
I've done the research, and it doesn't seem very speculative, and the sources don't seem dubious. Nor did I say it was bulletproof. What is EXTREMELY apparent is the 9/11 Commission's obvious cover-up of this story.
Incidentally, when's the last time a hit piece, or documentary designed to debunk something mentioned the allegation that Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed ordered Omar Sheikh to wire transfer $100k to Mohammad Atta, and showed that it didn't happen? Never?
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"incidentally, when's the last time a hit piece, or documentary designed to debunk something mentioned the allegation that Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed..."
I dont know, probably never because nobody really cares about this story?
It doesnt really challenge the 911 myth of freedom-hating muslim hijackers, there isnt all that much to "debunk" here.
And even if true, it doesnt really mean all that much. So why bother.
It sounds more like useful confusion and somkescreen to me.
Anyways , Jon, your "see they dont 'debunk' this because they can't - unlike CD which can be debunked so easily" argument is getting really really tiring.
It seems to be all you got, but its obviously totally flawed, as many people have pointed out again and again.
Mmhmmm...
"I dont know, probably never because nobody really cares about this story?"
Which is why the families submitted a question about this very subject to the 9/11 Commission in the hopes that they would answer it. Which is why this story has shown up in 90% of all 9/11 related books written, as well as 9/11 related movies made.
"It doesnt really challenge the 911 myth of freedom-hating muslim hijackers, there isnt all that much to "debunk" here."
It's the Real Thing.
"And even if true, it doesnt really mean all that much. So why bother."
Doesn't sound to me like you're someone that's really interested in the truth about 9/11. Maybe you're just someone that likes to bother me?
"It seems to be all you got, but its obviously totally flawed, as many people have pointed out again and again."
Pakistan's connection to 9/11 is all I got? Controlled Demolition isn't used against us at every opportunity? Something tells me that your idea of flawed, and my idea of flawed are two totally different things.
Now em7, as Reprehensor told you, stop being my gadfly.
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"Pakistan's connection to 9/11 is all I got? "
No Jon, we know you also have the august 6 warning and all that ..
I was talking about your tiring "see they only debunk CD but never the foreknoledge or the wire transfer" 'argument' that you bring up *all the time*.
Not once did you reply to a critique of that argument, and there were dozens.
See, if you keep on applying such obvious double-standards , like accepting all sorts of dubious stories as 'proof' as long as theres some muslims involved - and on the other hand labeling and attacking people as '"theorists who dont really want the truth" when they talk about the obvious demolition of 3 buildings - you have to expect that some people will disagree with you. Persistently and strongly.
You keep on posting the SAME STUFF over and over again. Since years. Thats why some people disagree over and over again.
Your "muslims did 911 and US allowed it to happen" stories just dont fit in with *what we know*, that those 3 buildings were blown up, and thats why many people believe that your stories are misleading.
Now you can post your 'ah so you you know exactly what happend i dont' stuff that you usually do in such a situation.
So to pre-answer: no, i dont know exactly what happend, but i can apply common sense, which is why i know that 3 buildings were blown up.
So you're saying...
That I've never said 9/11 was not a Muslim crime, a Zionist crime, a Neocon crime, etc... but a crime, and should be treated as such?
And no, we DON'T know that "3 buildings were blown up", but go on thinking that you know that. If thinking that you are 100% correct makes you feel safe living in this crazy world, then by all means.
With regards to your statement about "august 6 warning and all that," what's all this stuff?
My New News section which has 1000's of articles posted.
My 9/11 Truther Forum which has 1000's of articles posted.
My 9/11 Truth Archives which has 1000's of articles posted.
My Who Is? Archives which has over 160 people listed.
My blog here, which incidentally, has more posts than any other person on this site.
My blog at visibility911.com which has more posts than the owner of that site.
My youtube account which has some VERY popular movies.
9/11: Press For Truth which I had a hand in the creation of.
em7... what have you got other than an anonymous name?
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em7, if I may: The more you
em7, if I may:
The more you think you know, and the less you think, the more you'll think you know.
However, the more you think, the more you'll know the less you know.
Think about it.
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absurd
"And no, we DON'T know that "3 buildings were blown up", but go on thinking that you know that. If thinking that you are 100% correct makes you feel safe living in this crazy world, then by all means."
Thats absurd Jon. Its the sort of thing theyre telling us in "debunker" movies, "conspiracy theorists just feel better believing what they do" sort of crap.
Interesting to see youre using the same sort of tactics when it comes to the obvious demolition of 3 buildings on 911.
"em7... what have you got other than an anonymous name?"
So is this a 'i have more blogs online than you' competition?
Or is it a popularity contest?
Admittedly, im a truther-nobody on the internets. But ive got common sense. And i dont judge people by the number of blogs they posted, but by its content.
It is already well known that you posted more misleading smokescreen blogs about 9/11 than anyone else, whilest at the same time desperately trying to steer people away from the obvious demolitions (which did more to grow awareness in public than anything else). Whilest always using the family members as shields so people cant criticise you.
No need to repost all that.
I think you are confusing
I think you are confusing common sense with preconceived notions.
If I told you that sperm could be made from the bone marrow of a female's leg, you'd say "that's never happened before!" but then I'd tell you that it happened once
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/257432
Same thing with CD. Just cuz it never happened before, doesn't mean it is necessarily CD. You have no proof. You have some videos and some testimony. But nothing concrete (pun intended) to take action with.
Thus, you will go in circles for 50 years. Do you have time for that? Is that productive?
What is your GOAL? Endless debate?
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According to you...
Anonymous internet troller named em7, I have in my arsenal Pakistan's connection to 9/11, the August 6th PDB, and all that...
I proved you wrong. 1000x over. Have a nice day.
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em7
This is a lie;
"It is already well known that you posted more misleading smokescreen blogs about 9/11 than anyone else, whilest at the same time desperately trying to steer people away from the obvious demolitions (which did more to grow awareness in public than anything else). Whilest always using the family members as shields so people cant criticise you."
It seems to me that the only reason you come to this site is to pick fights with Jon Gold. Jon has posted tons of informative, useful blogs, quite a few of them here, and that's a fact.
This has been going on "since years" and I'm sick of it. Go find someone else to stalk and draw into arguments, and do it somewhere else.
Thanks.
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Felt. Thanks
Felt. Thanks Rep.
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You may not know anything but
DRG, Steven Jones, Richard Gage, and a whole lot of other professionally experienced, science-based people do know for a fact: the towers were destroyed with pre-planted explosives. People with a lot more experience and knowledge of such matters than Jon Gold. So although he may not know anything about how the towers came down, that ignorance doesn't transfer to the rest of us.
> but go on thinking that you know that. If thinking that you are 100% correct makes you feel safe living in this crazy world, then by all means.
What an odd concept. You form your beliefs based on how safe something makes you feel (?!) I guess that could explain a lot.
I voted you up...
Because I think you guys are doing a great job attacking me. Keep it up.
BTW... Can you give me the name of someone involved in planting the explosives?
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thanks for the vote, Jon!
But I'm not attacking you, just pointing out that your (self-proclaimed) ignorance does not necessarily carry over to the rest of the population. I'm sorry you view this as an attack.
And I'm glad you asked. The arrow of suspicion clearly points at Larry Silverstein, Jerome Hauer and the men of Urban Moving Systems.
They got some splainin to do.
right tahooey
no offense, but i am aghast that so many supposed 911 truth people would still not accept demolition! i'm in a state of disbelief! what do they think happened?
What about Dr. Steven JOnes's research, etc...the thermate signatures in the microspheres??? pulverized everything...it's been a while since i've been here, and i'm sorry about that. it is important for there to be an informative and compelling 911 blog site..i have met some of the best on 9/11 blogger. but now some have been banned, which is a shame.
great work on FOIA request.
Thanks to Kevin, Mick and Paul for getting the information released albeit highly redacted.
It does show that the Neocons were meeting with someone who likely was a financial backer for Atta.
Wolfowitz, the guy who continues to fail miserably at every job he gets, continues to get more important and powerful positions within the US government. What a fucking weasel! He obviously knows too much to be cut loose.
please get this info to Kucinich
maybe he will craft another article of impeachment. Hey, the 911 truth movement should also craft its own articles of impeachment to follow on from Kucinich's 35.
How many pork chops did Atta buy?
And has anyone figured out why he was gambling on Abramoff's Casino boat?
These are questions every bit as pressing as the details of the alleged wire transfer itself.
Perhaps the meetings were related to the following:
“The intelligence director told me that [Armitage] said, ‘Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age’,” President Musharraf said. “I think it was a very rude remark.” The claims come at the end of a week in which relations between the US and Pakistan have sharply deteriorated, and days ahead of the publication of President Musharraf’s memoir, In the Line of Fire, which will be serialised in The Times from Monday."
Pakistan is clearly on US/Israel's shit list, or at least warning list, therefore it would be wise to tread carefully with alleged documents and rumors about Pakistan.
What do you mean by this?
"therefore it would be wise to tread carefully with alleged documents and rumors about Pakistan."
Would you explain?
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Well, for one I would mention the fact that Pakistan is bound by India to the east, Afghanistan and Iran to the west, China to the north and the Arabian Sea to the south.
I'm trying to think of an "Arab" or "Islamic" country that wasn't involved in 911. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine (Palestinians shown "celebrating" the attacks on 911 on National Television when viewers were most vulnerable; celebration was filmed months earlier; luckily the footage was ready to roll on 911; in truth, Palestinians didn't celebrate [though a few Israelis did;])
Who else? Iraq and Iran, of course. Google "Iran was involved in 911" and be shocked at the number of results.
'US mulling over attack on Pakistan'
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=52271§ionid=351020401
Imagine for a second that you read a newspaper headline reading "China mulling over attack on US." Mulling? What are we fucking insects?
It's insane. I don't buy the Pakistani wire transfer -- what self-respecting general would wire money to a some idiot coke-head? Sounds like a blackmail story: play along or get "bombed back to the stone age". Ok, let's say he did wire the cash. What for? How many Korans and flight manuals did Atta really need to leave at the airport? These are some of the questions we should be asking.
"(Palestinians shown
"(Palestinians shown "celebrating" the attacks on 911 on National Television when viewers were most vulnerable; celebration was filmed months earlier; luckily the footage was ready to roll on 911; in truth, Palestinians didn't celebrate"
The networks were very quick-on-the-draw with the "celebrating Palestinians" footage.
If it can be proven that in fact this "celebration was filmed months earlier" or any time other than 9/11 this would be a smoking gun for the premeditated scapegoating of the Palestinians.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
"Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."
Can someone locate the "celebration" clips and verify the time/date of their creation?
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
(Palestinians shown
(Palestinians shown "celebrating" the attacks on 911 on National Television when viewers were most vulnerable; celebration was filmed months earlier; luckily the footage was ready to roll on 911; in truth, Palestinians didn't celebrate...)
this is simply not true. the celebrations happened.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
Celebrations of ... ?
Annette Krüger Spitta of ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama claimed that while the footage was indeed correctly dated, reporters may have partly staged one of the scenes;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks
Pakistan...
Is not on the "shit list" of this administration, and never has been. Pakistan policy is run through Cheney's office. This Administration loves using Pakistan's ISI to work alongside terrorists (Kucinich introduced article 21 for impeachment having to do with that). To me, the wire transfer is an intricate part of the 9/11 attacks. I think Armitage's threat was for "show" because after 9/11, the media was asking "tough" questions about what to do regarding Pakistan's relationship to terrorism. America, Saudi Arabia, Britain, Israel, and Pakistan are all partners in crime.
Edit: I wonder if that other site run by the "Zionists control the world/the Holocaust never happened" camp still maintain accounts here just to vote me down.
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It's not just you, Jon
The "haters"--I could get used to using that just for the irony--have many targets. Basically anyone they can't bully.
But then they take the risk of revealing themselves to the site admin every time they vote. I suspect they don't bother visiting anymore--why would they? That would be lame if they really think we're such bad people.
Besides, they've found their bliss at jewmoonhoax.com, a magical place where they're free to lie about anyone they want and we're free to ignore them. ;-)
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Some of those sites...
One in particular, get the content for their site by monitoring what people say here. Who has the time to worry as much as they do about what other people are saying?
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Hmmm.. forgot about the "content deprived"
But like you say, dunno where they get the time.
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Looks like you might be right--LOL!
INCOMING!
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Jon, I'd like to hear more about the 100K....
" To me, the wire transfer is an intricate part of the 9/11 attacks."
I've always felt that way, but Jon, do you believe the 100K is just a straight payoff for "terrorism"--or is there a more complex explanation?
How does the General's directing 100K to Atta work? Is this window-dressing to provide an appearance of sponsored terrorism to the19 highjackers? My instincts feel there are layers of crime and complicity involved. General Mahmood Ahmed may be another pawn in the big picture?
I suspect, the situation is so fluid and complex in Pakistan, it's nearly impossible to unravel! That's the way the perps like it!
...don't believe them!
Two pieces of
Two pieces of information.
1) Bob Graham confirms the meeting of Pakistani ISI General Ahmed in Washington, (alleges the 11th)
He alleges in the Intelligence Committee's staff operates in cramped quarters on the fourth floor of the Capitol (facilitates security requirements)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1336637849690703670&hl=en
2) The Pentagon room designation that held a meeting on September 10, 2001 about one of the six points in the FOIA request.
DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
PAUL D. WOLFOWITZ
1010 Defense Pentagon
Room 3E944
Washington, DC 20301-1010
(703) 692-7150
wolfowitz and feith
Just a little more confirmation on who the bad guys are.
"And even if true, it doesnt really mean all that much. So why bother."
Noam Chomsky in the house?
It doesn't mean that much that the people who created Al Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist networks (ISI), in partnership with high ranking US officials, financed the 9/11 terror attacks, were caught red handed, and have sloppily covered it up ever since?
No, who cares?
Whatever.
Carry on...
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"It doesn't mean that much that the people who created Al Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist networks (ISI), in partnership with high ranking US officials, financed the 9/11 terror attacks, were caught red handed,"
Caught red handed?
Financed the 911 attacks???
Now thats what i call speculation. What about some evidence for this claim ??
It seems to me evidence is not needed as long as the story involves superman-muslims who can overcome the laws of physics.
stop spinning every thread
stop spinning every thread into something controlled demolition related. There are too many CD threads on this website the way it is. Contribute something useful.
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