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Richard Gage, AIA, debates Mark Roberts, Tour Guide: NY TV: "HardFire"
The TV show "Hardfire" debate with Richard Gage, AIA, and Mark Roberts is now posted on Google Video. It is in 2 parts — each about 28 minutes in length.
Description: In this two-part program, Richard Gage, AIA, San Francisco Bay area architect and founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, debates Mark Roberts on the events of September 11, 2001. John Clifton, past chair of the Libertarian Party of New York, hosts. Originally (to be) aired July 15 and July 22, 2008. Taped June 18, 2008. Buy a high-resolution copy of the program on DVD, MiniDV, or VHS at the program's web site: www.Hardfire.net
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Amazing.
Richard Gage's eyewitnesses are mistaken, but Mark Robot's witnesses are honest......suuuure. Mark Robot's various blogs (which he keeps many anonymous names surely) are nothing but ad hominem attacks and never once does The Tourguide offer any scientific analysis about the claims he makes... he just attacks people behind the veil of his computer screen, but acts like a nice, reasonable human in person.
I think it's clear that there are no experts who can explain away building 7.
Somebody also needs to teach The Tourguide the concept of Plank's Constant. Steel cannot glow yellow or gold, unless a temperature is sufficient to do so. It just doesn't appear that way on a lark.
I wonder...
... if Mark Roberts happens to be Petgoat?
No, I think Petgoat is a dude from Cali.
I think Leftwright who blogs here knows Petgoat personally.
The real Petgoat
the real petgoat is Brian Good from SanFrancisco as exposed by William Rodriguez last February. He also uses the name Contrivance on Wikipedia and Puntaxsweeney on youtube. The strange thing here is that he works with Richard Gage! it is alledge that Mr. Good infiltrates groups with the excuse to help them as a volunteer. Once inside he attacks activist from within. He showed erratic behavior towards Rodriguez last year and is, allegedly, currently vandalising his page on Wikipedia. Ask Rodriguez, since he exposed him last february. Why Richard supports this guy is beyond many in the movement. Besides that, Richard was powerful and direct, you could see Roberts frustration. Great thing is that Roberts called himself the expert who knows the oral histories better than anyone else in the WORLD! Guess what, we could issue a challenge to Roberts since we know some of the actual people that transcribed the oral histories and will love to go face to face with hiim on this claim. By the way, they are not members of the 9/11 truth movement.
Uhhh
Anyone think of dropping Richard Gage a line on this??
Perhaps give him a phone call??
Please go ahead
I know he is aware of this whole thing ( Gage ). Even people in California told him. Brian Good used the 9/11 architects computer email to send emails to willie's supporters, attacking him. I don't think Rodriguez will support Gage until he disconects from this guy. I may be wrong so don't quote me on that part as correct.
Rodriguez
needs to get behind Gage 100%.
"..the real petgoat is Brian
"..the real petgoat is Brian Good from SanFrancisco as exposed by William Rodriguez last February. He also uses the name Contrivance on Wikipedia and Puntaxsweeney on youtube. The strange thing here is that he works with Richard Gage!..."
This is disturbing information.
Can you pls provide some proof of this? Do you have any links that prove Brian Good is the petgoat and is indeed working with Gage?
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it
is true
Mensa217 is correct. One correction , I really support Richard Gage. and consider him a friend. I won't tell him who to hang around with.
Love this exchange with low life Roberts.
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Thanks for the correction Willie!
that is why I sid "is alledge" to keep it within the board rules. constitutional911, I have no problem to prove it and also to publish his emails to several people . I only need the permission from those "people" to publish them here. Since most of it is public information, I have no problem with it. But first, why don't you contact Richard Gage and ask him? I think he will tell you the whole truth. I admire Gage and his sincerity and know he will also stand by this information.
Thank you, William Rodriguez, for being a class act
and focusing on what's important. And even more thanks for all your continued hard work.
I hope that you are getting enough rest and are able to spend enough time with your wife.
Yes, I know Brian Good pretty well and have worked with him on events in the past. He built the 8' x 12' 9/11 Commission Report with holes in it that many of you have probably seen.
Several of us tried to dissuade him from his unfounded attacks on Mr. Rodriguez to no avail, I'm afraid to say. We also pointed out the potential hassle to Richard Gage, but left it up to him as to how to handle it. Richard is a true Christian, a great guy to work with and I'm sure that he will handle this with care and kindness.
While there is a back story or two here, it has been my experience to focus on the positive and let the "human elements" work there way forward as they almost always do in the end.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” - Thomas S. Szasz
“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.” - Mahatma Gandhi
I try to be wise and strong whenever possible.
I was under the impression that "Mark Roberts" had left the country, I guess he just took a long seminar in OCT talking points before returning to his inanity.
Love is a verb, brothers and sisters, let's get busier!
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
What's important is truth.
Logic helps. Col. Sparks attacks me for my inability to prove that something doesn't exist.
I had some excahnges with "petgoat"--
--whoever he his. What was odd about the prat is no matter how many times you asked him to document/reference his allegations he wouldn't. He'd dance around like a debunker on one hand --" I can't prove something that's not true", --- but, like a no-plane-troll, expected you to go on his say so.
What a wanker.
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It pisses me off......
Roberts calling Gage a liar. Who's this asshole think he is? In regards to the molten iron Gage needed to show
Goss from NIST lying out his ass.
Gage is an intelligent gentleman. Roberts is an asshole.
So one question for Mark. Yes you are no expert. You say your quoting experts from the official fairy tale.
Why won't they debate our experts? Sorry make it two questions.
Don't you think this is interesting enough for a major debate with major prime time media coverage?
I would also like to add where are the photo's of the roaring fires in WTC#7 ? Hell for that matter where's the video from the Dept of Transportation at the Pentagon?
I wouldn't expect a tour guide to have the common sense to see that buidings don't collapse like Mt Saint Helens.
Ok Mark let's say fourteen seconds for the collapse. Still too damn fast bonehead !
Let's build a JUGGERNAUT. [Build ae911truth.org]
JUGGERNAUT: "a force regarded as unstoppable, that will crush all in its path."
One thousand architects is a JUGGERNAUT. One thousand architects and engineers is a JUGGERNAUT that will roll right over the few dozen government sponsored experts and make them squashed baloney.
Less than 2 minutes.
Can you imagine 1,000 architects and engineers supporting the fact that explosives were used? Come on...Who can fight that?...what is the opposition gonna say?...Debunkers and the media can not counter a 1,000 architect JUGGERNAUT. Congress will have to take notice or suffer embarrassment. Presenting 9/11 TRUTH to the public will become a cake walk with a 1,000 ae911truth.org JUGGERNAUT.
Support Richard Gage. Email every architect and engineer that you can find.
Good idea TomT
Obviously WTC7 was brought down by explosives. Silverslime even admits this on film. "The building was pulled." I have two sons that are engineers and they both agree the building was pulled. I don't think it would be that hard to get 1000 engineers to point this out.
Me Too, Great idea Tom T and maddog
We could have an engineer recruitment drive.
We will have to overcome the fact that many companies may retaliate against their employees for supporting the 911 Truth position, even though it must be obvious to them that it is the correct one. I have run into that with some architects and engineers that I know. They don't want to jeopardize their jobs and substantial income. There is a collective RED ROVER among large architectural and engineering firms, similar to the collective resistance to advertising on progressive radio stations by large corporations. They don't want to rock the status quo boat for fear of retaliation against them by BushCo and friends.
What did he say?
Did Mark Roberts actually say that WTC7 did not resemble a controlled demolition? Then what kind of collapse did it resemble?
Everyone who watches the collapse of WTC7 thinks that it looks like a controlled demolition. This is just more nonsense from a "debunker".
Mark Roberts, a self-described "generalist" and sick-o
Mark Robert's use of the "Ad Hominem" debate form reveals a serious personality disorder.
Is he currently on medications?...or a suicide watch-list?
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Follow the rent
Who's funding the debunkers? Mark's a smart guy, but too smart to be just a local tour guide unless he has a trust fund or owns the business. I'll bet he works for Langley. I will admit that he's good at his spin task until you scratch a little deeper. Richard should weed out the few glaring errors that get repeated over and over (no floor pans found), despite evidence to the contrary. Any common idiot can see that the structures were taken down with some help- look at the dust clouds alone. We've become a nation of ad men (liars). Hold your own Richard, history will be on your side as long as honest souls have the chance to write the last word.
nah
I think you're giving him too much credit. If his past was completely fabricated, why would they choose to make him a "tour guide" (something I've never even seen him admit in any of his public appearances)? Seriously, can you think of any *worse* professions, in terms of scientific credibility? Garbage collector & DMV clerk are the only two that come to mind.
I was glad to see Mr. Gage
I was glad to see Mr. Gage talking about 9/11, however, seeing Mark Roberts was nearly unbearable. Mark Roberts is a tour guide and he's debating an architect, it just doesn't match. anyway, Mr Gage, as always, deliuvers the Truth pitch perfect. Mark Roberts needs to get a life.
Why pay demoltions experts huge sums of money & spend
weeks/months of planning & preparation to implode a skyscraper when you can just pelt it with some debris & set a few fires to accomplish the same thing ???
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Oh
THAT only happens on September 11 2001.
And never never again.
Its a NEO-CON DEMOLITION MIRACLE DAY- LOW COST AL-CIADA SPECIAL.
19 guys and NORAD - US Space Command etc bunker down.
Cobalt Blue Skies and Dumbed Down Public.
And the dumbed down public STILL believes it.
Sheesh.
Cheney Double Delusion Halliburton & Co Special Burgers that many have swallowed wholesale.
Well some of us never ate it and others threw up a long long time ago.
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Cosmo Kramer
was a better "ny tour guide" than this guy.









Ah...
The Controlled Demolition debunker who tried to get on John Feal's good side to bad mouth us, and convince him not to associate with us. Didn't Michael Jackman confront the Tour Guide on the ISI during a show of Hardfire, and for some reason, that clip didn't make it online?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?