David Ray Griffin in LA - June 4, 2008

Via Hot Potato Mash

Tuesday, June 10, 2008
VIDEO EXCLUSIVE: David Ray Griffin On New 9/11 Evidence

Professor David Ray Griffin, who is one of the leading voices in the 9/11 Truth Movement, spoke to a capacity crowd in Los Angeles on Wednesday, June 4, 2008. Below is Griffin's talk - covering mostly new evidence about 9/11 - divided into three parts...

Part 1 (9:32)

"If we do get a real investigation or a trial there is simply no doubt of what the verdict will be because now the evidence that 9/11 is an inside job is now overwhelming." - David Ray Griffin

In Part 1 Professor Griffin begins with inconsistencies between the statements made by Ted Olsen (Solicitor General of the United States) about his wife Barbara Olsen's cell phone calls from Flight 77 and that of the FBI. Additionally, Griffin talks about the impossibility of using cell phones at high altitudes.

The last half of Part 1 is spent discussing the odd and unlikely behavior of Mohammed Atta and the inconsistencies in the government's story about Atta.

Continued...
http://www.hotpotatomash.com/2008/06/video-exclusi-1.html

Alex Jones gives a speech

Alex Jones gives a speech before the second showing of his upcoming documentary, 9/11 Chronicles, at the Alamo Ritz in Austin Texas (05-18-2008). Alex discusses what inspired him to make the film - the organic growth of 9/11 truth groups across the nation - and how the government and media have embarked upon an organized campaign to demonize such groups in the eyes of the public. Alex communicates the necessity of standing up to bullies before it's too late to reverse the course of tyranny and how the good people in society need to reclaim power in order to affect real change. In the second half of the speech, Alex takes questions from the audience on a number of different subjects. The video has been shortened in order to comply with YouTube's time limit. You can watch the entire video at http://www.PrisonPlanet.tv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pdjUs_Jug

"The enemy is aware, on every front, that truth is rising,"

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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

For those who have not seen the above AJ video

One of the BEST Speeches I've heard in a long long time.

Especially what starts at 10:20 onwards.

Your are the Defenders.....

You are the Guardians....

You are the Servants of Liberty....

Whatever you may feel about AJ - like him or hate him... at least listen to what he is saying.

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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Griffin's Cell Phone Argument is Misleading.....

David Ray Griffin continues to put forth a misleading line of argument regarding the "cell phone" calls. David discusses the difficulty of cell phone calls at higher altitudes. This is completely irrelevant because most of the calls were made on airphones. Despite Griffin's claims to the contrary in Chapter 17 of 9/11 Contradictions, neither the FBI nor the 9/11 ever claimed that all, or even most, of the calls were made on cell phones. That was done strictly by our controlled media-- perhaps as part of a disinformation campaign to persuade 9/11 skeptics to reject all the phone calls. That is unfortunate because the phone calls as a whole do NOT affirm the official story, and in fact contain bits of information quite damning to that official story, like the reports from Betty Ong and Tom Burnett of guns in the possession of the hijackers.

Griffin is being misleading when he says the FBI say "it didn't happen" regarding the phone calls. On June 1, a letter was posted on the Blogger, written by Griffin, which included this:

"Moreover, some central pillars of the official account have been demolished by the FBI. It has said it has no hard evidence that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attacks, that there were no cell phone calls from passengers to relatives from any of the planes, and that Barbara Olson's famous phone call from Flight 77 to her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, never happened." (emphasis added)

This statement, though perhaps technically true, is misleading. The FBI exhibit does not label the cell phone calls from CeeCee Lyles (UAL93) and Renee May (AAL77) as cell phone calls; but neither are they labeled airphone calls. Griffin seems to be suggesting none of the calls took place whatsoever, a position which the FBI does not hold, and which does not follow from the known facts.

Despite Ted Olson's lies, the phone calls as a whole are credible evidence pointing to real hijackings performed by real people-- some of whom were portraying themselves as Arabs for the purpose of framing Arabs, and inciting America into wars against Muslim countries in the Middle East.

I have written a detailed critique of Chpt. 17 of Griffin's book, and of what I call the Cell Phone Myth, and submitted it to the Blogger. To me the Myth is the idea, advocated by Griffin, that the majority of calls were made on cell phones, and therefore must have been somehow faked. This is a myth because, as I said above, the idea that most of the calls were cell phone calls was disseminated solely by our controlled media, and by Hollywood films.

I have great respect for David Ray Griffin. I am in no way questioning his character or integrity. He is the undisputed leader of this movement, and for good reason. However, internal dissent and responsible criticism are necessary within any truthseeking movement. I sincerely hope the managers of the Blogger choose to publish the essay I have submitted, entitled:

"David Ray Griffin and Cell Phone Calls: Serious Logical Errors in 9/11 Contradictions".

-Andy Kornkven

Yes

Griffin has so many good points to make and makes them extremely well -- it's too bad he opens with a controversial position and -- AFAIK -- does not mention that many do not agree with the "no Boeing" or "no cell phone calls" claims, or that it is controversial w/in the researchers.

>>Despite Ted Olson's lies, the phone calls as a whole are credible evidence pointing to real hijackings performed by real people-- some of whom were portraying themselves as Arabs for the purpose of framing Arabs, and inciting America into wars against Muslim countries in the Middle East.

Yes, the importance is that many possible scenarios exist and so asserting that only one of them must have occurred only puts us in a position to be "debunked" when further evidence comes out.

It would have been easiest to use real people who thought the plan was one thing, then simply keep them in the dark on the whole plan and they serve as automatic unwitting agents of the plan.

This isn't rocket science. Extreme measures of missiles, military planes in full view of the public, faked voice data, faked debris, dumping of passengers, no passengers, etc. are not necessary when the more simple explanation of just finding a few people who really wanted to do some damage and then misleading them, is easily feasible. You just set the stage and let them walk through the plan. Simple.

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You just set the stage and let them walk through the plan.

"You just set the stage and let them walk through the plan. Simple."

Remember that this was a huge set-up producing enormous political consequences. Would you rely on "a few people who really wanted to do some damage" that they would act as planned? Of course not, don't be stupid.

I find it unbelievable

I find it unbelievable that people can vote for this BS.

David Ray Griffin - Audio Archive

Monday May 12, 2008
Michel Chossudovsky talks with David Ray Griffin about his newest book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press

Monday May 5, 2008
Mike Malloy calls David Ray Griffin, "One of our rare guests". Philosopher/theologian Dr. David Ray Griffin joined Mike for a discussion of the events prior to the bombings and terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Those familiar with the 9/11 Truth Movement are well acquainted with Dr. Griffin and his points of view regarding those horrific acts against the people of the United States.

Tuesday February 19, 2008
Charles Goyette, recently honored as "Best Phoenix Talk Show Host", talks to David Ray Griffin about his new book 9/11 CONTRADICTIONS: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press.

Thursday February 7, 2008
KPFA Flashpoints Host Dennis Bernstein interviews David Ray Griffin about his newest book 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press.

http://www.radiodujour.com/guests/griffin_david_ray/index.html