The Times Herald Covers 9/11 Skeptics Jon Gold and Dr. David Ray Griffin


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Hijacked truth? - The Times Herald

While the 9/11 Commission Report inquiry has its share of critics, Jonathan Gold's misgivings about the official findings go far beyond skepticism. In fact, the 33-year-old Plymouth Meeting resident is convinced the report is covering up Bush administration complicity in the deadly terrorist attacks.

Gold's unorthodox view has caused many jaws to drop and heads to shake. When asked for proof, he calmly rattles off a long list of like-minded people, and what he called a growing body of "evidence" that the government orchestrated the attacks as a pretext for the global war on terror.

"There's so much evidence out there," he said.

For those who scoff at him, he recommends comparing the official Sept. 11 account to the Cooperative Research Center's Sept. 11 times lines, reading David Griffin's "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" and entries on 911Truth.org just for starters.

A quick glance at the Internet's voluminous material critical of the 9/11 Commission Report published in 2004 could be this generation's Warren Report.

Gold was not always a skeptic, admitting his conversion to Sept. 11 truth seeker was a gradual process. But by 2002, he was convinced the official story was a monumental cover-up.

His suspicion grew with the Bush administration's initial reluctance to cooperate with a probe into the Sept. 11 attacks, and when former Sen. Tom Daschle was asked to limit the scope of the investigation.

Considering nearly 3,000 people had been killed, Gold was irked it took the Sept. 11 survivors - dubbed "The Jersey Girls" - 441 days to persuade the administration to hold public hearings on the disaster.

"If you had a loved one murdered, would you want the police to wait to investigate the crime," he asked.

There are still too many unanswered questions and inconsistencies, according to 911Truth.org, an advocacy group that wants to expose what its media coordinator Mike Berger called "the government's official conspiracy theory" that took the nation to war.

"The reason we are doing this is, we believe the attacks were used to justify our unpopular foreign policy decisions," Berger said.

As a member of 9/11 Truth's steering committee, Gold spent many hours on the Internet reading about the disaster and writing for his online bulletin board, yourbbsuck.com, but eventually gave up the committee duties because it was too time consuming.

The truth adherent's views vary, Gold said, but many believe that the World Trade Center towers were rigged with explosives to ensure their collapse, that the Pentagon may have been hit by a missile instead of an airliner and that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville after it was shot down.

"I believe it was shot down," Gold said.

The 9/11 Truth site questions why the U.S. air defense system failed to intercept the airliner that struck the Pentagon, and why Bush lingered at the Florida school after hearing of the Trade Center was hit. Some say the president's dawdling is just more proof that he had prior knowledge of the attacks.

Griffin, a retired professor Claremont School of Theology in California, studied the day's timelines and the official report, and concluded jet fighters that should have scrambled within minutes to intercept the hijacked planes were ordered not to take off.

By the time F-16 jets from Langley Air Force Base, in Hampton, Va., were in the air at 9:30 a.m., it was too late to pursue Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon eight minutes later. The base is more than 100 miles from Pentagon.

Though the 9/11 Report details delays and confused communications between the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) during the hijackings, Griffin sees something sinister.

"I was struck by the contradictions of why there were no (fighter jet) interceptions," Griffin said. "I think it was just an old-fashioned stand down order."

Justification for allowing the terrorist attacks was foreshadowed, Griffin said, in "Rebuilding America's Defense," written in 2000 by the neo-conservative group, Project for The New American Century.

The project's members included Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and current United Nations ambassador John Bolton.

"It's kind of scary when you think about it, because these are the people now in power," Gold said.

Griffin said the "neo-cons" anticipated going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq long before the Sept. 11 attacks to ensure a steady supply of oil.

"This was a perfect fit for a neo-conservative plot ... to get absolute military authority," he said.

Temple University psychology professor Frank Farley called the Sept. 11 skeptics' notions ridiculous.

"It just doesn't pass the test of reasonableness," he said.

Government conspiracy myths have a long history in popular culture, Farley said, but now kooky ideas spread like wildfire with the millions of Internet users online and few qualified authorities to vet outrageous claims.

"The Internet just feeds (conspiracy claims)," he said. "In a world of information overload, it's getting harder and harder to separate the wheat from the chaff."

Farley predicted the explosion of misinformation would only get worse over time. Spencer Meredith, a political science professor at New York's Rochester Institute of Technology, was more optimistic.

"The impact of this is negligible, and long-term it's marginal," Meredith said.

People who believe the government is malicious and highly capable of wrongdoing are more inclined to buy into Sept. 11 conspiracy theories, Meredith said.

"It starts with a mistrust of government," he said. "They don't like Bush."

For anyone doubting Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon, Arlington County Fire Department Chief Scott McKay begs to differ. He and Arlington firefighters were the first on the disaster scene on Sept. 11 and worked on shoring up the collapsed structure.

"Inside the building, there was a (airline) nose gear with wheels and passenger seats," he said, as well as human remains.

As for the World Trade Center towers, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) spent more than three years analyzing the collapses, according to Michael Newman, a NIST spokesman, and published its "Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Towers" in 2005.

To perform the evaluation, the federal agency used 236 pieces of steel from the ground zero site, studied thousands of video and still pictures of the catastrophe and simulated the impacts and fires in several laboratories.

The study concluded that the airliners' extreme impacts severed the buildings' perimeter support columns, and the subsequent fires weakened other exposed steel.

"(The crashes) dislodged so much of the fire-proofing material (on the supports), that it left a lot of steel vulnerable to the fire," Newman said.

If the fire-proofing had not been torn away, the towers would have remained standing, he said.

The NIST report did not find any evidence that the towers had been sabotaged with explosives, as 911 Truth advocates have suggested.

"These folks have a right to their opinion," Newman said. "But we spent three-and-a-half years on the investigation and wrote recommendations, and we stand behind them."

Keith Phucas can be reached at kphucas@timesherald.com or 610-272-2500, ext. 211.

Congratulations to Jon Gold for putting forth the effort to get his local paper to cover the subject matter!

Note: You can find the audio of the interview with Jon Gold used for this article here.

Good on you Jon. please be

Good on you Jon.

please be suspicious, please be careful, please publish on your board EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOU... Don't take this lightly!

Whats The Truth - How Indeed Did The Twin Towers Collapse

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they spelled your website

they spelled your website wrong (forgot the S)

Also Jamie McIntyre wrote me back

Apparently the photos of wreckage he has were displayed Saturday night on CNN's ON THE STORY at 7pm

The replay is at 1pm SUNDAY...

DID ANYONE CATCH IT???

DHS, hrm.. ill email a

DHS,

hrm.. ill email a couple ppl and see if they can grab it.

I emailed Keith

I emailed Keith Phucas:

first thanks for your article, it is very fair and balanced, good journalism.

The NIST report is a farce, they even admit that they had to change variables to get their fitting theory, but without making them openly. That' not the scientific way, last time I checked it though it was not. They say they found no hints for the use of explosives, but present only this sentence as evidence.
I do not trust them.

To inform you more, please visit following links and read the following text:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=7&med=0&ord=Name&strt=5&vid=3...

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451

http://www.teamliberty.net/id243.html

Thanks

Sitting-Bull

Germany

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December 2001: Scientific Journal Describes ‘Eutectic Mixture’ in WTC Steel A sample of WTC steel eroded and corroded due to eutectic formations. [Source: FEMA]
The Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society (JOM) reports that the examination of a beam from the remains of WTC Building 7—which collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11 (see (5:20 p.m.))—has revealed “unexpected erosion” of the steel. The article states: “The formation of the eutectic mixture of iron oxide and iron sulfide lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel. This strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached around 1,000?C, forming the eutectic liquid by a process similar to making a ‘blacksmith’s weld’ in a hand forge.” [JOM, 1/2002] The New York Times will call this “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” [New York Times, 3/2/2002] FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study, released in May 2002 (see May 1, 2002), will add that the same “unusual erosion patterns” have been observed in a sample of the remaining structural steel from one of the twin towers. It will state, “This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion.” FEMA is unable to explain this phenomenon, saying, “The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion ... are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. ... It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure.” [Federal Emergency Management Agency, 6/1/2002] Despite FEMA’s call for further research, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) will make no mention of the eutectic formations in its final report into the WTC collapses, released in late 2005, following its three-year investigation. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 10/2005 ]

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The NIST had found themselves in quite a pickle after the NIST's Metallurgical Results had attested to temps of less than 250c in Oct of 2004. The reason: the findings had contradicted their initial findings that the steel was adequate (representative) for the needs of the investigation (whole technical investigation), and more importantly, at the same time the findings had contradicted their "Fire Weakening" hypothesis.

So what did the NIST do? Magic.

They, with a slight of hand, had changed their "adequate steel sample" from being adequate for the investigation (whole), to it only being adequate in determining the quality of the steel (final report).

The NIST did this even though in June 2004, before the "Steel temperature results" the NIST had clearly stipulated..

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june_04/chapter2.pdf

The collection of steel from the WTC towers is adequate for purposes of NISTÂ’s investigation (i.e., chemical, metallurgical, and mechanical property analyses as well as a substantial damage assessment and failure mode examination) to examine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the impact of the aircraft and ensuing fires.

As you can clearly see above, the NIST clearly states, the collection of steel was adequate for the needs of the investigation (whole) - Chemical, Metallurgical,and Mechanical property analyses as well as a substantial damage assessment and failure mode examination.

Moreover, the NIST details exactly what the Metallurgical Investigation consists of in other papers describing their investigation..

http://www.nist.gov/testimony/2002/wtcplan.html

Collection and Analysis of Forensic Evidence: structural steel, material specimens and other forensic evidence to the extent they have been collected or are otherwise available; metallurgical and mechanical analysis of steel to evaluate quality and estimate maximum temperatures; analysis of fire and elevator control panels.
Hence, "The collection of steel is considered adequate for the needs of the investigation above"

Just in case more evidence is needed to ascertain the details of the investigation...

NIST is implementing its technical plan to address these issues (see http://wtc.nist.gov /). A primary objective of the investigation is to determine why and how the towers collapsed after the initial impact of the aircraft. As part of this investigation, the Materials Reliability and Metallurgy Divisions in MSEL are studying more than 200 structural steel pieces from the WTC site. Progress in this study is outlined here..............

.......Task 3: Property data to support studies of structure performance and airplane impact modeling. Fourteen grades of steel were specified in the design of the WTC towers. All grades have been characterized for room-temperature mechanical properties, and initial high-temperature test results are complete. Testing at high strain rate is underway to determine the effects of strain rate on the mechanical properties of the outer columns, the inner columns and the spandrels. Chemical composition and metallographic examinations have been completed on the majority of the steels. Creep, or time-temperature-dependent behavior of some steels will be studied after the high temperature properties are developed.........

Task 5: Metallographic analysis of steel to estimate temperature extremes. Microscopic, macroscopic and metallographic analyses are under way to determine the maximum temperature excursions seen by the steel.

Hence as was stated before regarding task's 3 and 5...

---The collection of steel is considered adequate for the needs of the investigation above"---

So, as you can clearly see, the Metallurgical aspect of the investigation which the steel was adequate for, had consisted both of determining quality, and determining steel temperatures.

Last but not least, lets turn to the NAIL in the coffin.
The "Nail in the coffin" is evidence of the fact that the NIST had actually discussed changing their initial findings from the steel being adequate for the investigation to it being adequate to only part of the investigation (determining quality).

Note, this discussion had taken place on the very same day the results of the steel being less than 250c had been presented - Oct 19th 2004.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/ncstmin_oct19-20.htm

C: As John Barsom said, the statement is not accurate. The validity of the model question from yesterday speaks to this issue. I do not believe that we have enough forensic evidence. It may be okay to establish steel quality. There was no effort by the Building Performance Study team to systematically look at the steel.

C: The use of the term “adequate” needs to be revisited. There is no core column test to support the hypothesis. The floors came down, the slabs were pulverized. This was unprecedented. Exterior columns and core remained. The floors group will attack this finding.

In summary, the NIST had only focused on one, and only one conclusion throughout its entire investigation, and that one conclusion being the assumption that fires were the cause of the two buildings collapsing.

That is the sole reason the NIST had ignored the metallurgical analysis results of the WTC structural steel . Over and over again, the wtc steel indicated temps of less than 250c, which inturn naturally indicated fires not being the cause for the collapses, yet the NIST kept on with their assumptions and computer generated simulations via their assumptions, that the steel had attained temps of 550c, even though there was not one piece of metallurgical evidence in support thereof..even going so far as tweaking their initial findings of the steel being adequate to it being inadequate in the final report, thus bolstering their POS, lying computer generated garbage.

so I guess no one watched

so I guess no one watched CNN's "On The Story" Saturday 7PM show?

I will wait for the 1PM Sunday replay then.

I agree that "What's the

I agree that "What's the Truth" is a great movie. After the giant disappointment of "Everybody's gotta learn sometime," this movie really delivered. This is the first one I can officially endorse.

In other news, Jamie McIntyre is a dead-end. He didn't change his story, he was just misunderstood. He truly believes that a plane did hit the pentagon, and set up the "no planers" as a laughing stock on national TV.

He showed 3 of his pictures, one of which is of the big piece of debris we're all familiar with, the other two of which consisted of a broken piece of glass that he claims is from the cockpit, and of many tiny pieces of debris covering the ground around the pentagon, which many of the wide shots did not pick up.

My feelings on the matter are expressed very well by Michael Moore's quote in the aforementioned "What's the Truth." Something fishy happened at the pentagon that the government doesn't want us to know about, but that doesn't mean that 77 didn't the pentagon.

road66, Wow, man. Keep us

road66,

Wow, man. Keep us informed!

OT: http://www.propagandamatr

OT:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentif...

I was at Barnes & Noble today and I picked up a 9/11 photography book that had a photo of a steel worker cutting one of the vertical beams at the same angle of the beam in the photo on this article. Just thought we should consider this.

Congrats Jon!

Congrats Jon!

The US Dollar, Middle East

The US Dollar, Middle East Oil, Zionism and the News Media

http://blogs.albawaba.com/Alexanderjames/2067/2006/05/18/44695-the_us_do...

I was at Barnes & Noble

I was at Barnes & Noble today and I picked up a 9/11 photography book that had a photo of a steel worker cutting one of the vertical beams at the same angle of the beam in the photo on this article. Just thought we should consider this.
T-Bone | 05.21.06 - 3:05 am | #

whats up t-bone??

do you have a link for the pic or is it just in the book???

Hey I think that as much as

Hey I think that as much as he presented the 9/11 truthers side fairly, he really 'slammed' it at the end with NIST, some misc. facts about 236 pieces of steel studies and the thousands of photos and then some eye witness (firefighters) testimony.

The gist is 9/11 truth is presented as speculation, the other OT fact. This appears to me to be a powerful hit piece.

hit piece: And of course no

hit piece: And of course no WTC7.

Man, you guys are up early.

Man, you guys are up early. East coast?

Great job Jon!!!!!!

Great job Jon!!!!!!

East Coast maybe ... ... but

East Coast maybe ...

... but in Western Europe it's afternoon already ;)

Oui, je sais! Quand j'avais

Oui, je sais! Quand j'avais quinze ans, ma famille et moi habitaient a Strasbourg. Ou etes vous?

From Phil

From Phil Jayhan:

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13995

I went to a hawaiian luau tonight and had a lot of fun. Got some great footage of the party although it didn't have anything to do with 9/11. Firedancers, Hula girls, sizzled pig dinner, etc... You know, the usual.

And something very interesting happened just when I was getting ready to leave. Then I met a man who for now will remain nameless, and gave him the presentation on 911. He didn't seem blown away after the initial shock of it, and in hindisght seemed like he already knew about it. (Speculation)

He asked me if I knew who Bill Clintons Father was, and I said I knew. He asked me how I knew, and I told him I was an investigator. So he said, well, who was it. When I told him itwas Rockefeller, he seemed pretty surprised and asked how I knew.

And he apparently is very close to some in the inner circle. i.e. He is close friends with Bill Clinton. Was friends with the Kennedy's. (Jack & Bobby) And was friends with many other Presidents. He also worked as an associatte with Joseph Salk. (Salk Vaccine)

When he was getting ready to leave, his limo couldn't be there for about an hour, so I offered him a ride home. When we got there he invited us in, both Doug & I. So we went in to see his Art collection. Original Picassos all over the place. Original Monets. Original Salvador Dalis. (He was friends with Dali) Signed pictures from the Pope of whom he has had an audience. (John Paul) He has many works which came straight from the Russian Hermatage Museum.

He is going to England next month to be knighted by the Queen. And has also been asked to go to Malta where he will become a 'Knight of Malta'

When he told me he was going to a party tomorrow given by those who own the Palm Casino in Vegas, I jumped in and asked if I could come with, and he said yes. I was surprised to say the least, although this guy is super friendly and seems genuinely gratuitous. When we went to his home, he told me I was the very first stranger (first time meeting) that he had ever let in his home.

The reason I wanted to go to the party was to brush with the elite and, well, er, give them the talk about 9/11, although I don't think that will happen tomorrow, but who knows?

Bill Clinton has been inside the same home I was in tonight, (In the past few weeks as a matter of fact) as well as many other elites. There are many signed pictures of Clinton thanking him for his help.

But anyways, I will be going to this function tomorrow with him and hope it will open some good new positive doors for 9/11, and perhaps open the doors for some good interviews for the new movie.

But I just wanted to tell you guys how strange an evening it was. Every night this week that I have given the 911 speil, I have had a strange encounter.

Last night, me and Brad ran into a person who actually has seen the REAL PENTAGON VIDEO FOOTAGE never before seen by the public. And we interviewed them (not on tape) and was very credible. I got his number as well.

I'll let you know how the function/party or whatever it is I am going to tomorrow went when I arrive back from it. But it was so much fun, and coincidence combined, I thought you would all enjoy about hearing it.

Every night it is something totally different, and beyond coincidence. Kind of weird.

"Last night, me and Brad ran

"Last night, me and Brad ran into a person who actually has seen the REAL PENTAGON VIDEO FOOTAGE never before seen by the public. And we interviewed them (not on tape) and was very credible. I got his number as well."

Er, any indication of what it showed?

road66 Great post. So yeah,

road66

Great post. So yeah, dude, tell us ... you got my attention. What did he say he saw? I'm curious ...!

Stuart

Strasbourg est de l'autre côté du pays ... moi étant à La Rochelle, une ville cotière assez touristique, autrement dit le paradis ... et je pense que ça doit être la mer qui conserve ma bonne santé mentale ...

I am thankful for 9/11 if

I am thankful for 9/11 if only for the fact that it has kept me from watching or reading Jewish controlled media. And always remember that the Jewish controlled media is not imbedded with the Pentagon, but rather it is in bed within the Pentagon. To separate the grain from the shaff just mention that there were no planes on 9/11.

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html

http://www.911hoax.com/Table_Contents.asp

Thanks, Jon!! Amusing how

Thanks, Jon!! Amusing how reporters (or their editors) feel the need to "balance", simply by finding an opposing view no matter what it's based on. "It just doesn't pass the test of reasonableness," said a psychology professor. Classic! A consensus reality psych perfessor! Send that man the "bomb in the building" video.

It's always good to be reminded that WTC7 would still be standing if the insulation wasn't knocked off. And that all the people-and-gag-orders-and-money-trails histories need not even be addressed. As the smoke clears from all the desperate conditioned-responses, the facts remain yet again too great a burden even for the Times Herald.

Thanks to Keith Phucas for getting a version of his article to print!

Dem Bruce Lee Styles,

My wmv definitely has extremely low sound during that one minute segment I mentioned (Manny Torres family, 1:06:40 to 1:07:40). I tried it in Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player.

I'm itching to burn this masterpiece to DVD; any guestimate when you'll finish tweaking? Sorry I brought up the apostrophe!

Monsieur le Prof, J'espere

Monsieur le Prof,

J'espere qu'il y aura un jour quand je peux le voir!
Salut,
S.

road66 Great post. So yeah,

road66

Great post. So yeah, dude, tell us ... you got my attention. What did he say he saw? I'm curious ...!

Stuart

The one who met a VIP at the party was Phil Jayhan not me dude..hehe

Check thread at this link:

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13995

"The one who met a VIP at

"The one who met a VIP at the party was Phil Jayhan not me dude..hehe"

I know. I was talking about your town!!!

"The one who met a VIP at

"The one who met a VIP at the party was Phil Jayhan not me dude..hehe"

I know. I was talking about your town!!!

Let me clarify stuart. The whole update including the comment about the guy who supposedly saw the "real pentagon video footage" was made by Phil Jayhan from letsroll911.com

I just copied and pasted his update here. I'm still waiting myself for Jayhan to tell us more about his comments.

Oops, that's letsroll911.org

Oops, that's letsroll911.org :)

Thanks everyone... just so

Thanks everyone... just so you know, this made the FRONT PAGE!!!

WOOOOOO!!!

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/heraldjon.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/heraldfrontpage.JPG

I must say that I was quite

I must say that I was quite disappointed with this article. I started reading it with great expectations after learning about Jon getting interviewed, etc. But when I had finished reading the article, I felt it presented the skeptics' views only to debunk them towards the end.

No mention of the fact that NIST still hasn't released a report on WTC 7. On the contrary, the article gives the impression that a definitive report on the WTC disaster as a whole has already been released.

No mention of the fact that NIST doesn't actually discuss the "global collapse" at all in its report, or of the several other criticisms of it.

No mention of Mineta's testimony. Instead we get this:

"By the time F-16 jets from Langley Air Force Base, in Hampton, Va., were in the air at 9:30 a.m., it was too late to pursue Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon eight minutes later. The base is more than 100 miles from Pentagon."

Isn't this bypassing the question of why fighters were not scrambled from a nearer air base?

"They don't like Bush."

Yeah right. That explains everything.

I agree wholeheartedly

I agree wholeheartedly vesa... especially when you listen to the LONG conversation I had with him.

"When asked for proof, he calmly rattles off a long list of like-minded people, and what he called a growing body of "evidence" that the government orchestrated the attacks as a pretext for the global war on terror."

I don't think that's true at all... I went through Sibel Edmonds, Mineta's Testimony, etc... etc...

So, if Phil Jayhan's account

So, if Phil Jayhan's account [ http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13995 ] is not fictional, then what he's just written is that he--one of Loose Change 2E's producers, is openly associating with people in Elite circles, who personally spend time with Bill Clinton--who vacations with regularly and is virtually a full member of the Bush Crime Family.

Interesting.

And some people actually have the audacity to accuse me of being a shill for saying that Loose Change is a purposeful disinformation intelligence operation.

Just so everyone knows...

Just so everyone knows... someone on my board just wrote this...

"You just made a Sunday edition of a newspaper that reaches from anywhere in Philadelphia to Allentown. I even think I've seen it in Harrisburg at various places I've stopped on my way to work. Many, many, many, many people are going to be reading this article.

I mean, the number of subscribers... + everyone who just buys the Sunday paper for coupons and classifieds..... this article is going to be a big deal."

Nice. Now that we're being

Nice. Now that we're being heard let's try not to implode as a movement, agreed everybody?

WOOho0ooo!! Just one

WOOho0ooo!! Just one correction for the picture: "Gold is just one of an increasing number of millions of Americans, as well as people around the world, who have studied the facts and grown suspicious of the government's position...".

That's what it would say if

That's what it would say if we were writing it Frank. ;)

Except Phil Jayhan was a

Except Phil Jayhan was a producer on the first Loose Change, not LC2E.

Front page? Thats amazing!

Front page? Thats amazing! Good work Jon Gold.

Even though the article was negative at the end, I think it was way more positive than the usual hit-piece drival.

Many Many people will look into the issue more closely having read this, and not with a 'pentagon plane' starting point.

NICE.

That was in response to

That was in response to Orez's post.

Frank, I've just sent Dz the

Frank, I've just sent Dz the corrected version, sorted out those apostrophes etc. Going back to the Manny Torres' family members, I actually tested it on two different pc's from the podcast host, and it sounded fine, it was about exactly the same level as Donna Marsh OÂ’ConnorÂ’s speech at the UN. So I really don't know what was up at your end dude, it could be your d/l got corrupted somehow. Try downloading again maybe that would sort it?

This goes out to everyone, who else experienced the same dip in the sound as Frank, at the point where family members of deceased fire fighter Manny Torres, say what they think about the 9/11-Commission report?

Dem Bruce Lee Styles, Thanks

Dem Bruce Lee Styles,

Thanks very much, I will download the new one and let you know (somewhere in one of these comments). :+:

Thanks Matthew.

Thanks Matthew.

Frank, I think I've just

Frank, I think I've just worked it out. The sound seems to be coming from the left channel only for that segment. I'll see what I can do....

you mean the media failed to

you mean the media failed to mention WTC7 YET AGAIN? what a surprise. i would have DEMANDED they put something about WTC7 in the article.good job anyway.

Jon: what's a shill like you

Jon:

what's a shill like you doing in an article like that? ;-)

I agree with Chris. Jon, I

I agree with Chris. Jon, I assume you did specifically adress WTC 7?

And did you underline the serious criticisms of the NIST report? It is not enough to point to Jones's paper. Journalists may not have the resources to wade through long technical articles. YOU have to be able to compress the central technical points for them yourself. If they then go on to read the paper, that is a bonus. But you can't count on them doing it.

For anyone doubting Flight

For anyone doubting Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon, Arlington County Fire Department Chief Scott McKay begs to differ. He and Arlington firefighters were the first on the disaster scene on Sept. 11 and worked on shoring up the collapsed structure.

indeed. did chief mckay point out that the collapsed structure didn't even collapse for quite some time after it was struck by blob77?

Good job overall, Jon!!! But

Good job overall, Jon!!!

But why no mention of WTC-7? Has it been deemed off-limits to even mention that building now??? Is the inexplicable implosion + the "pull-it" video just too much for them to handle??? What are your thoughts on this?

"I agree with Chris. Jon, I

"I agree with Chris. Jon, I assume you did specifically adress WTC 7?

And did you underline the serious criticisms of the NIST report? It is not enough to point to Jones's paper. Journalists may not have the resources to wade through long technical articles. YOU have to be able to compress the central technical points for them yourself. If they then go on to read the paper, that is a bonus. But you can't count on them doing it."

The entire discussion is available to listen to. I went over what I thought were the important points. He obviously didn't cover everything I talked about... the conflicts of interest in the commission, the secret service, the family members ordeals, and so on and so on... I spoke to him about the environmental disasters as well. Dr. Griffin and I agree that this is a bad article from the standpoint of presenting evidence, but as far as listing sites (minus the misspelling of mine... grrrr...), and the very fact that it's on the front page, and makes people aware of the fact that there is a controversy, that there is a movement, says that this is a good thing... here's what someone already sent me...

"Wow. Holy shit. I haven't seen any of this 9-11 stuff before this week. I cannot find the link to Cynthia McKinney - and if she was rocking the boat on this - that's why she was hassled last month at the Capitol and roughed up and arrested. A little slap on the back of the head?

Please get me the link to her. Between her and Feingold, I will try to get traction. Anything else I'm missing? I spent all weekend with dozens of articles on this and they just keep coming. Tom"

"(The crashes) dislodged so

"(The crashes) dislodged so much of the fire-proofing material (on the supports), that it left a lot of steel vulnerable to the fire, Newman said.
If the fire-proofing had not been torn away, the towers would have remained standing, he said."

I find *that* a ridiculous statement. Still, I bet that even if WTC-2 had collapsed completely in just, say, 15 minutes (instead of the already absurdly short time of 56), he would use the same argument. Do these people really believe what they are saying? That's what I'd like to know.

Last week I learned that there was a 3-hour fire in one of the WTC towers in 1975. The fire was much hotter than in 2001, with windows breaking because of the heat. Strangely enough, the building didn't collapse even partially... Oops, sorry, I forgot that any partial collapse was always bound to cause a total collapse, with everything disintegrating into dust, in the WTC buildings.

"I haven't seen any of this

"I haven't seen any of this 9-11 stuff before this week"

How long has the 9/11 Truth Movement been around? How many hearings, articles, books, etc... have been written/taken place? How much of an impact did 9/11 have on the United States and the world?

HOW DARE THIS HAPPEN IN A COUNTRY WHERE "FREEDOM OF THE PRESS" IS OUR RIGHT!!!

Dem Bruce Lee Styles, That

Dem Bruce Lee Styles,

That would make sense, and reminds me of my mistake in forgetting to mention that I watched it on a pc with an amplifier that has one speaker channel blown out.

Way to go Jon! Maybe a hit

Way to go Jon! Maybe a hit peice but youd never know it from the front page. Good sites mentioned also.

Thank you.

Thank you.

"(The crashes) dislodged so

"(The crashes) dislodged so much of the fire-proofing material (on the supports), that it left a lot of steel vulnerable to the fire," Newman said

This statement clearly demonstrates that this guy doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. Clearly he's a fool or a shill.

I appreciate your efforts,

I appreciate your efforts, Jon. Personally, I think it is much more important to carefully cover the utter improbability of the three buildings' total collapses, even at the expense of things like the environmental disasters resulting from the attacks.

"I believe it was shot down, Gold said."

This sentence in the article gives the impression that you just take this on faith (I'm not saying you do).

"The reason we are doing this is, we believe the attacks were used to justify our unpopular foreign policy decisions, Berger said."

Of course they were, regardless of who carried out the attacks. This in turn gives the impression that the representative of 911Truth is saying that they do what they do simply because the attacks were used as legitimation. I hope that's not what he meant...

Aren't interviewees allowed to check that their views are portrayed without distortion before articles are published?

Vesa, this obviously would

Vesa, this obviously would have been a better written article if I was the one writing it... today is a good day.

Good job overall, Jon!!! But

Good job overall, Jon!!!

But why no mention of WTC-7? Has it been deemed off-limits to even mention that building now??? Is the inexplicable implosion + the "pull-it" video just too much for them to handle??? What are your thoughts on this?
Anonymous | 05.21.06 - 12:27 pm | #

Jon, your thoughts re: no WTC-7 please?

"But why no mention of

"But why no mention of WTC-7? Has it been deemed off-limits to even mention that building now??? Is the inexplicable implosion + the "pull-it" video just too much for them to handle??? What are your thoughts on this?"

No one is deeming anything "off-limits", and I referred people to Professor Jones' paper. You want to talk about Controlled Demolition, talk to Professor Steven Jones, Jim Hoffman, Dr. David Ray Griffin, Dustin Mugford, Dylan Avery, and MANY others.

You want to talk about the stand-down, Whistleblowers, the PNAC, and a multitude of other things, you talk to people like me.

Again, I did not write the article.

Okay, relax. You did good,

Okay, relax. You did good, man!

Ok Frank I think I've

Ok Frank I think I've managed to fix it, I'm just pressing out the wmv now, I should have it upped on megaupload in about three hours or so. I'll post the megaupload link in here as well as send it to dz, so that you can have a check and test it's cool, if you could do that dude? Thanks for all the feedback either way man!

And Jon, I thought the article was damn good job, but you got the front page as well LOL!! Great achievement dude!!

Great job Jon! U're an

Great job Jon!
U're an example for everyone.

Thanks DBLS and Frank.

Thanks DBLS and Frank.

Good job Jon, all tho I

Good job Jon, all tho I liked the audio interview better. :)

Hey turn it on CNN. They're

Hey turn it on CNN. They're going to talk 9-11 after the break!!!!!

Do you see what they're

Do you see what they're doing? They're making the Pentagon the ONLY "Conspiracy Theory" within the 9/11 Truth Movement...

You take care of this

You take care of this "Conspiracy", and that's all there is... right?

"Bring the facts to bare..."

"Bring the facts to bare..." go *&^$ yourself.

Welp... that's it... the

Welp... that's it... the Conspiracy is solved. Time to get on with my life.

DAMN IT.

DAMN IT.

Why did they take only one

Why did they take only one question from the crowd?

I wish I was there!!!

I wish I was there!!!

"Why did they take only one

"Why did they take only one question from the crowd?"

Because they were only dealing with one theory. The only theory didn't you know.

uuuuuuhhhh... I only see the

uuuuuuhhhh... I only see the Pentagon... nothing else... uuuuuuuuuhhhhh... nothing else happened that day... uuuuuuuuuuhhhhh... where is my Fox News channel.... uuuuuuuuuuhhhhh...

Sucks ass man.

Sucks ass man.

Well... the good thing is

Well... the good thing is the people, unless they are COMPLETELY blind, will see that the way they're focusing on this one issue, in and of itself, is suspect.

One can only hope.

"No one is deeming anything

"No one is deeming anything off-limits, and I referred people to Professor Jones' paper. You want to talk about Controlled Demolition, talk to Professor Steven Jones, Jim Hoffman, Dr. David Ray Griffin, Dustin Mugford, Dylan Avery, and MANY others."

And as I said, they won't do it, especially if they are only going to interview a couple of people. I'm not a structural engineer or a physicist, but I can sum up the major points about the collapses etc, having read Jones' paper and a few others.

I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated. Can't help.

Perhaps someone could email the author of the article the link to my Finnish view of WTC 7, implying that an increasing number of foreigners find its "investigation" ridiculous:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

I don't think I have the energy to contact him myself.

a piece of metal, a piece of

a piece of metal, a piece of glass, and some fragments scattered on the ground.

I'm convinced. I am no longer a 911 Skeptic. How foolish I have been to question my government.

Seriously... those pieces of

Seriously... those pieces of glass cleared up my questions about P-TECH, and most assuredly those pieces of metal cleared up my questions about Sibel Edmonds.

And that picture of the

And that picture of the debris on the helipad cleared up everything regarding Indira Singh, and the Wargames. It was a double whammy.

John: It also explained

John:
It also explained Norman Mineta's testimony quite thoroughly.

err Jon

err Jon

"Congress shall make no law

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

thank God we can go back to

thank God we can go back to real news now, like Angelina Jolie's baby and the paparazzi's obsession with her.

Well, reporters are now

Well, reporters are now getting pressured from the DOJ which is an extension of the White House.

thank God we can go back to

thank God we can go back to real news now, like Angelina Jolie's baby and the paparazzi's obsession with her.
DHS
_______________--
Dido.

"Perhaps someone could email

"Perhaps someone could email the author of the article the link to my Finnish view of WTC 7, implying that an increasing number of foreigners find its "investigation" ridiculous:"

Thank you, Vesa. I totally agree that the "investigation" of WTC-7 was utterly preposterous! It is a boldfaced lie. Even you guys in Europe know this. We really need to keep hammering on WTC-7!

If the true culprits are

If the true culprits are allowed to get away with 9/11, they (and there successors) will become so emboldened, I canÂ’t even imagine what they will try in the future.

Jon, I never heard of P-TECH

Jon,
I never heard of P-TECH before. Did a little digging. Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

"We really need to keep

"We really need to keep hammering on WTC-7!"

Do that. And, based on the feedback I've received, I do think my WTC 7 page quite succintly highlights all the problems in the case. I'll be glad if you guys can utilize it.

Mike Jr., For more P-Tech go

Mike Jr.,

For more P-Tech go here
http://911busters.com/a911-Commission.html
and watch both videos with "Indira Singh", about an hour's worth total. Indira's presentation will make much more sense if you watch Ruppert's "Command and Control" video first (then the total should be about 90 minutes for all 3 videos).

"Front page? Thats amazing!

"Front page? Thats amazing! Good work Jon Gold.

"Even though the article was negative at the end, I think it was way more positive than the usual hit-piece drival."

Here's a message from the real world. Jon Gold got his butt kicked by truth and reality. To hide in the sand and believe any publicity is good publicity is worthless.

You just made a fool of yourself Jon Gold. You can't run away from that fact.

LOL!! http://www.thoughttrawl

"You just made a fool of

"You just made a fool of yourself Jon Gold. You can't run away from that fact."

Thank goodness for people like you who highlight the lack of objectivity and common sense present in our society.

Thanks for the good laugh.

And great job Jon.

"Jon Gold got his butt

"Jon Gold got his butt kicked by truth and reality. To hide in the sand and believe any publicity is good publicity is worthless.

You just made a fool of yourself Jon Gold. You can't run away from that fact."

Is that blood on your hands sticky?

At least my conscious is

At least my conscious is clear of any guilt. I wonder what hell will be like for Kheiron.

"whats up t-bone?? do you

"whats up t-bone??

do you have a link for the pic or is it just in the book???"
inside | 05.21.06 - 6:50 am |

Hey Inside,

It was in a pictorial book at Barnes & Noble. I can't recall the name. next time I am there I will get the name of the book.

Jon, I particularly like the

Jon, I particularly like the way the newspaper went large with your article on the cover!!! Well done!!!

Clarifications Regarding

Jon, also, if you search

Jon, also, if you search 9/11 questions on Google news, your article comes up at #1 search hit: http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16670601&BRD=1672&PAG=46...

yeah... today was the first

yeah... today was the first day I did a search for 9/11 news on google, and my name came up. Surreal.

Jon, you rock.

Jon, you rock.

To all, I did it today guys.

To all,

I did it today guys. I gave my pastor my letter and video. No turning back now.

Thanks GW.

Thanks GW.

Good T-Bone.

Good T-Bone.

Interestingly enough, the

Interestingly enough, the sermon was on the "unexpected God", meaning how God can bring things in your life unexpectedly. Kind of rang true for him. I don't think he was expecting this at all. I know some of you aren't religious, but it was a very cool momment for me today.

Frank I had some crap to

Frank I had some crap to sort out so I've been set back a few hours dude, I'm gunna stay up and get this shit out the way, but it's going to take funking ages, so don't wait up for it dude, check back tomorrow in this thread and the link should be up.

"wtc 7--not the pentagon is

"wtc 7--not the pentagon is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

"wtc7--not the pentagon--is the smoking gun of 911truth"

I think the whole story is

I think the whole story is the smoking gun personally.

And the 9/11 Report is

And the 9/11 Report is Exhibit A.

what you did was definitely

what you did was definitely worth celebration!!

totally own the front page---

the detractors are the ones who are 'ridiculous'

Jon, that is awesome, front

Jon, that is awesome, front page news!!!

Gotta love it, except for that ugly guy holding the sign...

"Jon, that is awesome, front

"Jon, that is awesome, front page news!!!

Gotta love it, except for that ugly guy holding the sign..."

Except for that, and the mounds of information the article left out, it was a GREAT piece.

sbg... look what our good

sbg... look what our good friends made for me...

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/331/gold1cq.jpg

YT: "Except Phil Jayhan was

YT: "Except Phil Jayhan was a producer on the first Loose Change, not LC2E."

Okay.

I'd read at a different Google Video link for LC2E [ http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7599/screenshot24lp.jpg ] that he was one of the producers. The names [green text] are different at this upload of LC2E at Google Video [ http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1181/screenshot17yy.jpg ]

So whoever uploaded the first LC2E file that I'd seen at Google Video put incorrect information. Not my fault.

Regardless, both versions of Loose Change are obviously part of a disinformation intelligence operation. So, take my original comment in this page, change the "one of Loose Change 2E's producers" to "one of Loose Change's producers"; same result.

- Ø®£Z -: "So, if Phil Jayhan's account [ http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13995 ] is not fictional, then what he's just written is that he--one of Loose Change's producers, is openly associating with people in Elite circles, who personally spend time with Bill Clinton--who vacations with regularly and is virtually a full member of the Bush Crime Family.

Interesting.

And some people actually have the audacity to accuse me of being a shill for saying that Loose Change is a purposeful disinformation intelligence operation."

But thanks for clarifying that, YT (no sarcasm).

"I agree it was a good

"I agree it was a good article but it was lousy for you Jon. I'm glad that the journalist got both sides of the story. Reason won again."

Actually, I've gotten a lot of compliments, and emails thanking me from people who don't have blood on their hands like you.

Thanks everyone. As far as

Thanks everyone. As far as why it made the front page... it had to do more with the release of United 93, than the Pentagon footage. This story was decided on before the Pentagon video was released. The content of the article is shoddy at best considering everything I and Dr. Griffin talked to him about, but the fact that it's on the front page, and the fact that it lists good sites, is a good thing.

The Times Herald reaches at

The Times Herald reaches at least 1mil readers.

Yes... PTECH, Singh, the

Yes... PTECH, Singh, the war games, Sibel, the Azerbaijani "Chamber of Commerce", the foreknowledge of Iranian intelligence, al-Qaeda in Baku, the old Iran-Contra gang now dba PNAC, Poppy's business in poppies, the Hopskicker stuff, Plame-gate, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham, Porter Goss, Total Information Awareness, Rumsfeld, the missing trillions, bio-warfare, Danny Casolaro's "Octopus", and what was going on in the NSA pre-9/11, during 9/11, and post-9/11. It's all there, all tied together, all threads going back to the same place and the same small group of men. And it's all been documented. And it can be summed up in one equation:

High and widespread corruption + espionage for and by international crime syndicates + betrayal of US governmental interests (i.e., the people's interests) for big bucks = treason.

In the end, 9/11 was just an "action" in the middle of it all. It doesn't matter if it was a Greyhound bus that backed into the Pentagon, or how fast three buildings fell in NYC.

The only thing that matters is that we bring to the American people these truths. The only thing that matters now is what we're gonna do about it, and how fast we can do it, because the last door is now slowly closing on its big hinges. It's down to a matter of weeks.

So quitcher bitchin and choose now.

Me, I'm in with the folks who are working for "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Alright Frank, Dz has got

Alright Frank, Dz has got this already but here's the link if you want to check this right away;

(Final Corrections)What's The Truth - How Indeed Did The Twin Towers Collapse.wmv
239.82 MB

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AWHISYAU

I know for a fact that the sounds coming though both channels at my end dude, so it should be cool at yours.

I'm rarely a poster but a

I'm rarely a poster but a hardcore observer to this website and I most congradulate Mr. Gold on his efforts.

Okay Jon What I don't get is

Okay Jon What I don't get is why were you front page news?? What made this weekends 9-11 Truth any different than all the weeks of the past 4years? Something is not right. Don't get me wrong I have been saying this should be front page news this entire time.....but why all of a sudden it is? We know that the video is exactly what we have been looking at in the 5 frames released a year ago.....Any idea

Jon, congratulations on the

Jon, congratulations on the front page!

I had listened to the interview that you recorded of you and Phucas. So it's really nice to see that he at least tried to report part of what you discussed fairly.

How large is the Times Herald's readership?

Kudos John Gold ! I told you

Kudos John Gold ! I told you before.....you da man.

Congratulations

Congratulations Jon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Jimmy and RP.

Thanks Jimmy and RP.

Jon, You should post a brief

Jon,
You should post a brief rebuttal of his "opposing view points' with links on your website. No personal stuff, Just a 'thank you" for the article then just a factual rebuttal of his points and links for further research. You might have already done this, but I couldn't find it.

On a side note: My friend just called me to ask whether the gotee and shaved head was a cause or efffect of becoming involved in 911 Truth. You'll find this funny when we meet in Chicago.

The bald head only happened

The bald head only happened within the last 2 years... I grew the goatee sometime after 9/11, but I don't think it had anything to do with 9/11.

I told my friend that our

I told my friend that our shaved head and gotee is a sign of Wisdom taking a physical manifestation.

Like the long earlobes and the other 32 physical signs that is said to come with full Buddahood.

He wasn't convinced.....but he was impressed by my Buddha Belly which is a direct result of too much time behind the computer investigating and promoting 911 Truth.......
(and of course the beer, which can offer a platform of calm and tranguility from which we can look fearlessly at the Truth)

The professor at Temple is a

The professor at Temple is a psych prof? How can that be when Harry Milgram's studies showed that people will do anything under authority to the point of killing others (100%) and the Stanford studies showed that people that are given power will abuse it, even on people they know? It just doesn't stand to reason. The other fact that should be obvious to any psychology or sociology professor at the college level is that war has often been fought using false flags. Remember the Maine! The Spanish-American war was prepped by the media (William R. Hurst especially) to the point when the Maine blew, the US went to foreign lands and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The professor must not know much history or follow US foreign policy either.

Many people in similar positions as the prof in the article are: a corporate shill (corporate sponsership at Universities are relatively new and insidious - ask any medical specialist), an administation shill, an unqualified expert, or a combination.

Looking at history, I have found a standard operating procedure that the US follows to grab a country's economic wealth and resources. They have been honed since Iran in 1953. It hit full stride in Vietnam. The breaking up of thef former Yugoslavia went practically unnoticed. Liberia did go unnoticed. Vietnam, El Salvador and many parts of Central America provided expertise on torturing the citizenry to death. Military support has practically been an on going exercies since the Carter administration.

1: get desired country hooked on money
Using economic hit men from large corporation, promise funds to build up country for capitalism from IMF, World Bank, other banks and corporate financing. Once established, tell country that credit is bad and jack up interest rates and force monetary and idealogical concessions.

2: create Chaos from small armed sqirmishes to death squads that are financed, armed and trained by NSA (CIA and Defense special/black ops). NSA will start the slaughter to bring about ethnic tension through confusing killings, torture... Later, the US psychopaths will have trained local military/police units made up of the countries worst killer and ratchet up the killing.

3: add military operations to armed, divide and conquer chaos. If necessary, the military will make their presence on the ground and possibly permanent. Expect all illegal weapons use from cluster bombs, defoliation agents and napalm as well as new weapons of mass suffering such as depleted uranium, smaller cluster grenades...

Some people are shocked at what has happened and some don't think it is possible for the US to do so. However, any conflict that has involved the US has followed the same pattern for over a half a century. I would recommend to people to read what the structure of the National Security Act has done to the checks and balances of America and research what this group does.

Moyers "The Secret Government" PBS video, done in 1987 is very good and can be found at video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2397496401234089687&q=secret
Created in 1987, it shows that the NSA has been used for the expansion of the American Empire, operating outside of the legitimate part of the US government.

Another major problem is that the media and political groups are bedfellows. Colbert told it like it is and the press couldn't handle it. That is the big news of the year so far. Our free press is bought and paid for to pimp for our government rather than investigate it and keep it honest and keep Americans informed.

you the man jon. I was away

you the man jon. I was away from my computer this weekend but I had to come back and show you some love. Way to go buddy.

Thanks.

Thanks.

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