If they show a video of the pentagon being hit it will discredit the 9/11 movement to the people who are not familiar with it...especially since the "missle/no plane" theory is usually the only one mentioned in the MSM. No one is going to want to listen to the real solid evidence after the no-plane theory have been proven wrong.
I'd have to agree with Jim Hoffmans analysis...the evidence is not strong enough.

Wilson you're right. This is why we need a complete compendium of all the people who think that the pentagon plane/no plane theories are irrelevant. This way when anyone tries to use that straw man argument, we'll be ready with a mile long list of reasons why it's bogus. If we do it right we can turn that attack right around and stick it back in their faces.

Just think about it. Does a missing flight 77 explain anything at all? It would be just more evidence of a cover-up, and we already know it's a cover up.

word.

P.S. Love the 911Blogger.com. Mostly wise people here.
The Northern Frenchy | 05.18.06 - 12:55 pm | #

the MOST Wise people are here.

we need our northern brothers and sisters to come to our aid.

and . . . 911blogger has made me feel less alone and more powerful.

Loose Change mentioned by caller on C-SPAN's Washington Journal this morning. They were asking callers to comment on the Gen. Hayden hearings and some guy called in and made some basic comments about how our country is in trouble and then slid in that people need to check out Loose Change on the internet.

"Loose Change mentioned by caller on C-SPAN's Washington Journal this morning. They were asking callers to comment on the Gen. Hayden hearings and some guy called in and made some basic comments about how our country is in trouble and then slid in that people need to check out Loose Change on the internet."

How YOU doin'..

DHS,

the MOST Wise people are here.

heheh.. and the MOST crazy people too..

sorry, had to be said.

much love to our viewers :)

But DHS... there it is... plain as day? Are you saying that our news outlets remove incriminating stories from their servers? That's crazy. Loco. Insane.

OT: I need opinions. This is the letter I am going to give to my pastor this Sunday. Any suggested changes?

Dear Pastor Rik,

I have been in anguish over the past 4 years over a subject that not many want to talk about these days. I have come to the Lord for guidance and feel He is leading me to write this letter to you. I have an incredible drive in me that I canÂ’t ignore anymore and I feel it is time for me to do something about it. It is amazing how things are lining up in my life to bring this information to you and the good people of FBC Poway.

As you may know, I am a former member of FBC Poway and a former member of the FBC Poway Praise Band. I fell away from the church at a time when it was going through some difficulties that have paved the way for you to become Pastor. During this time I have been on an incredible journey that has led me back to your church. I have been in prayer about this issue and all indications are that I am supposed to pass this on to you for you to make a judgment.

I am not sure where you are in your walk in regards to 9/11, but I am sure you can at least recognize that this event is playing a significant role in many of the policy decisions of the current administration. I feel the Lord is pushing me to reveal what I have learned about this horrible event. I have wept before the Lord many times and cried out to Him asking, “Why Lord? Why me? Why do I know what so many do not?” He is still counseling me on this issue, as it is a heavy burden on my heart. Some of my family has come to realize that the questions I, and many others raise about 9/11 are valid and need to be discussed. Others do not want to hear it and I don’t blame them. I believe that the Lord loves justice and does not want His people to be deceived. I feel the best way to get this message across is for you to watch, prayerfully and with an open mind and heart, the DVD I included with this letter, as there is so much information and disinformation out there.

After attending the “Shroud” event a few weeks back I came to realize you are not afraid of controversial subjects and I commend you for that. This is one of the events that have led to this letter and it is amazing to see the path the Lord is showing me. I have put this off for too long for fear of ridicule, but I am not afraid anymore. I pray that you will consider organizing a showing of this video to FBC Poway in the near future if you feel it is the Lords will. I understand this is the mother of all controversies, but it is too important to ignore. The “9/11 truth movement” is growing rapidly and has now humbly come to your church for you to welcome. If you have any questions for me, or want to discuss this in any way, my door is always open.

Jon:
Our media wouldn't do such a thing! I'm calling Homeland Security on you, traitor!

By the way,
LC2E is pretty much locked in on google video. Now it's time to push Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime into the top 10 (at least).

Looks like I gotta go upstairs and get those 700 computers crankin'.

I pointed that out because those two tidbits, to me, are smoking guns.

T-Bone:
go for it. any man of the cloth who practices what he preaches will welcome you.

T-Bone,

letter looks good, i hope you are giving him a griffin dvd, those carry a lot of weight in the christian community i would guess.

DZ,

I don't have that one but i will tell him about Griffin and point him to the lecture online. I am going to give him 9/11 Revisited

DZ,

I don't have that one but i will tell him about Griffin and point him to the lecture online. I am going to give him 9/11 Revisited

T-Bone,

sounds good.. i would definately follow up with griffin's appearance on CSPAN, or if at all possible his recent speach regarding christianity and 9/11.

dz,

Both of those are at ST911.org, right?

T-Bone... nice letter though I'm not really qualified to comment on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/ap_on_go_co/cia_chief

hrm, i know you can order them from 911truth.org and from mujca (at least the CSPAN appearance).. if you can burn your own CDs and handle conversions and such you can find griffin videos at 911busters.com i believe.. and on video.google.com..

his speach about christianity and 9/11 is on 911truth.org in transcript form, i dont know if anyone will release a video or not.

so hayden won't answer any open questions about detaining people, or torture, and also says he'd like to work on reducing the "intelligence errors" that lead up to the war in iraq...

but it's over, we're there, that was the whole point. we wanted to get there. we got there. there isn't any need to work on fixing "intelligence failures" because the point was to get there regardless of the intelligence.

thats what i think anyway

9/11 Joke of the Day:

A man turned to the woman seated next to him on an airplane
and said, “What’s that book you’re reading?”

“The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin.”

“What’s it about?”

“It’s about how some sector of the Bush Administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks
so they could invade the Middle East.”

The man’s jaw dropped, his face slowly turned red, and he said “That’s
so ridiculous it’s not even worth discussing.” Silence.

The woman said, "Okay, then. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat grass.
The same stuff. Yet a deer excretes little pellets while a cow turns out
a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you
suppose that is?"

"Jeez," said the man. "I have no idea."

"Well, then," the woman said, "How is it that you think
you know what happened on 9/11 when you don't know shit?”

dz,

If I can download it, I can make my own DVD movie. I actually made a 9/11 film I call "Revelation 13" with Win DVD creator. Would like some of you to see it if anyone wants a copy.

I'm in north central Alberta. I'm e-mailing contacts I know in T.O. about the screening.

I will host an event here this summer. I still get a lot of eye-rolls when I mention 9/11 hoax but I'm determined.

Cormorant,

That was friggen funny!!!

T-Bone:

upload the ISO (if

DHS,

Do you mean my movie?

T-Bone: yes.

Updated CNN issue on Prison Planet

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2
006/180506attacksheen.htm

oops
Touch Me

Here's what I don't get...

Why didn't they doctor one of these latest frames with a 757? They only had to do it on ONE frame, and then say there aren't any other films that caught the hit. End of Story.

This would have been the perfect opportunity to do for two reasons.

1. As we saw, the media was ready to put an end to this "conspiricy stuff", so even if the frames were anaylized and proven to be faked, that info would have never seen the light of day (remember the bin laden tape).

2. The quality of these frames are ridiculously shitty. A perfect opportunity to fake it.

Because they didn't fake any of these frames, this all leads me to believe that they're setting us up.

Ian:

no big deal, there are many other issues out there, and this whole pentagon ordeal will wake more people up and they'll see all the other stuff.

So if they want to debunk things 1 at a time, let them. I bet they can't debunk them all.

C-Span is bombed regularly with the Truth. Gotta love it!!

Yes, and some Canuckers helping out now and then wouldn't hurt either.
somebigguy | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 1:11 pm | #
yeah, and the hosts usually dont like it very much. i love seeing the anger on Brians face when people bomb him with 9/11 truth, hes always like "do you have anything else?".hahaha.

DHS, i see what you're saying. i'm just worried about the "honey pot" theory.

http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=9002

Bowing to the Police State

Ray McGovern | May 18 2006

Is Congress aiding and abetting the creation of a police state? Recently, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., helped to give the CIA and NSA unprecedented police powers. By inserting a provision in the FY07 Intelligence Authorization Act, Hoekstra has undermined the existing statutory limits on involvement in domestic law enforcement. This comes after revelations in January of direct NSA involvement with the Baltimore police in order to "protect" the NSA Headquarters from Quaker protesters.

Add to this the disquieting news that the White House has been barraging the CIA with totally improper questions about the political affiliation of some of its senior intelligence officers, the ever widening use of polygraph examinations, and the FBI's admission that it acquires phone records of broadcast and print media to investigate leaks at the CIA. I, for one, am reminded of my service in the police state of the USSR, where there were no First or Fourth Amendments.

They Found Jimmy Hoffa?

T-Bone, there are a couple of great Griffin lectures here.
http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/

As well as this lecture, 9/11, American Empire and Christian Faith
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060501003040487
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060430225908335

Not to mention, good old 9/11 Myth and the Reality, available right here:
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/20060330_David_Ray_Griffin_32k.mp3

I just checked Google Video. "Loose Change" is #1!!! Great news.

I just checked me, and I have to go #1!!!

Off Topic:
Monkey Business

Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!

Maclean's magazine, Canada's answer to Newsweek, has a 2-page piece on Scholars for 9/11 Truth in its May 15 issue. I suspect that's where "Strombo" got the idea it was okay to report on LC.

Jon youve outdone yourself.I nearly shit myself , reading that , unexpectedly.

OMG....Hayden says if they had wiretaps before 9/11 (which I thought someone said they had) they would have caught two of the attackers. New options for spreading more truth but shooting themselves in foot twice. I dont get it.

Randi's comment on the ratio of patrioits to loyalists , during the revolution to King George ,'1 to 5'.I'm sure the truthers have reached that mark . We fight with info today ,so we can't let the "Internet=kiddyporn+alqueada" forces disarm us of our most powerful(nonviolent) weapon.

Inside,

I can mail you a copy sometime. I'll e-mail you so you can give me a mailing address.

Loyalists to Patriots/Rebels -

ever see that movie the Patriot? the guy who played Capt Wilkins (adam baldwin) - the local citizen who joined the evil villain Col Tavington's Dragoons and lit the church up with the supportive citizens inside? Well, today, many rabid right-wingers strike me as being like that.

I wonder what will be this movements Boston Massacre? Because, ultimately - if this breaks out, really breaks out, this nation will split and split violently IMHO.

There will be bloodletting.

You know, I think it largely comes down to courage...

If you have courage (from the French "with heart"), then you're willing to see the really stinky mess in the garage and clean it up.

You have faith you can clean it up, because you've cleaned up other really stinky messes, or seen other people do it.

Now Americans don't have much faith that you can throw out a bunch of murdering psycho liers (no offense intended). Why? Because we don't have experience of past successes.

Sure, the Founding Fathers through out the British, that was WAY back in the day, hundreds of years before we were born.

French revolution? Ancient history.

WWII? A little less ancient history, but that was different. The WWII generation was fighting "the good war", and never knew that our own government probably let Pearl Harbor be attacked in order to justify the U.S. entry into WWII to help out the British, etc.

So we have no experience of having fought and won tyrants. Moreover, we Americans have led a very pampered life for the past years. We complain if our tv goes on the fritz, or our team loses the game, or we can't afford that new, nicer whatever, or if our boss is mean. Those are all little, insignificact things.

But we haven't had to defend our borders or our liberties.

So we're all lazy and timid, but we don't know or admit it.

We like to pretend we are like the Founding Fathers or John Wayne (the cowboys had to rough it a little, unlike us).

But we have no experience of successfully standing up to tyrants, so we have no faith that it can be done, so we're afraid and terrified and have our knickers in a bunch.

If courage is acting "with heart", we've lost heart. And without heart, we cannot face the truth of 9/11, or lying to start wars, or fascism and dictatorship.

So how do we regain our heart? Well, let's start with what gets our hearts beating.

Do we care about our kids, our significant others, our parents, our friends? Do we care about the freedom to choose what we want, instead of having the dictator choose for us?

If not, what DO you care about? Because that is where your heart is, that is what will give you courage. I

And even if you haven't experienced success in standing up to tyrants, remember that the Founding Fathers did. They were just men, not gods. Sure, they were persistent, but that's because they CARED about something: freedom.

If they can do it, we can do it.

George Washington , can you give me , a Canadian , some more insight into the american patriot's life , and the press , before and during the Revolution ? Are there close parallels to be drawn between then and now?

Jason Leopold from truthout.org reported that the wiretaps started before 9/11... however, Jason Leopold also just reported that Karl Rove was indicted. Where's the news on that?

Inside,

Better yet, maybe we can meet for coffee sometime since we live right by eachother and I can give it to you in person. Whichever is better for ya.

Sorry George , you read my mind as I was writing that question , and beat me to it.

Here's the way I see at least some of the tide turning in my simple little mind. In the movie, Bug's Life (It's pretty profound) there are the Hoppers and the Ants. And the one little lone ant (forget his name) was often ridiculed but eventually, in a moment of truth, saw that the ants were more powerful than the Hoppers, and of course, the Hoppers knew that all along and kept the ants frightened.
I often use this example to remind my kids to question everything. What we need though is a happy ending. I hope that it will be.

Off topic , but imagine a debate between the real George Washington and Bush on live tv. (Not that a debate with our George wouldn't be just as entertaining);)

Well said, GW

C.K. 4:24 pm

The title, "Loose Change" is a reference to the missing 2.3 trillion dollars that the pentagon couldn't track prior to 9/11. Then the story had disappeared off the face of the earth on the day of attack.

yeah geggy, a lot of damning stories(enron,missing trillions etc.) all broke right before or after 9/11.funny how that works out huh?

"The title, "Loose Change" is a reference to the missing 2.3 trillion dollars that the pentagon couldn't track prior to 9/11"

Didn't Rummy admit that $2.3 trillion was missing on 9/10/01, and then the next day's events totally eclipsed it? I coudn't make up stuff this outrageous if I tried!

exactly Anonymous. and im pretty sure the Enron scandal broke either the day before or after 9/11.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to remove the old, first version of Loose Change from Google video, etc? When one types "Loose Change" in Google, the original Loose Change is the second in the link list, with the pods and all...

oops. sorry, i was over at C&L telling them what we think of them deleting all 9/11 comments.

PATHETIC!

youcall youself a truth movement, and tell jokes about HOW ONE MUST READ, or know shit... yet nobody is reading or discussino the WONDERFUL MARCUS ICKE ARTICLE.

I think it is the second best 911 truth article ever written, the first one is the Steven Jones paper.

Why ignore it? Because you are afraid of the consequences?

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/

isn't it fundamental IF IT WAS TRUE?

Can one of you kind Canucks direct me to where the Mclean's artilce on the 9/11 Scholars is. I can't find it on Mclean's website. Thanks.

it was 2.6 trillion...

.3 trillion is A LOT of money.

i'd be happy with .000001 trillion (is that a million bucks...?)!!

WAY TO GO DYLAN!!

ANYBODY WHO'S SCARED OF THE "HONEYPOT" IS A POOOSIE

it is a million bucks

u2r2h:

these are 2nd level issues, just like pentagon/controlled demolition.

1st level is prior knowledge and complicity. That should be our focus.

oops. sorry, i was over at C&L telling them what we think of them deleting all 9/11 comments.
Chris | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 6:11 pm | #

i love your persistance over there chris!

Has this piece of filth been indicted yet or not? http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/thumbs_rove_lg.jpg

U2R2H,

Just glancing over the info you posted. Even if it were true, it's a hard sell to the average American. One flaw I see is the "impossible reflection". The unknown surface looks like a car windshield. The author says the surface apears verticle. He also says "In order for the reflections aloft to be seen by the video camera the reflective surface would have to be angled at around 35 degrees to 40 degrees from the horizontal plane ". which kind of supports the windshield hypothisis.

Inside,

Better yet, maybe we can meet for coffee sometime since we live right by eachother and I can give it to you in person. Whichever is better for ya.
T-Bone | 05.18.06 - 5:27 pm | #

i told you i left san diego in 95.... im right outside of berkeley now... i could never live down there again after living up here... poway is very very closed minded and other things if you ask me....

email and we will talk... ill be down there on the 24th of next month maybe we could hook up then...

oops. sorry, i was over at C&L telling them what we think of them deleting all 9/11 comments.
Chris | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 6:11 pm | #

i love your persistance over there chris!
Ian C. | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 6:35 pm | #
yeah, it helps that i move from computer to computer at work so they dont even bother to ban me anymore. hahaha. i just saw some people over at C&L bitching at pockybot about bringing up 9/11 and the fact that C&L doesnt cover it.i didnt see pockys comments though, so they must have already deleted what he said. the censors over there are lightning fast.imagine getting paid for that.i would feel less guilty being an executionor. and im anti death penalty.

Inside,

Ah yes. Now I remember. i misunderstood what you meant by leaving San Diego. I'll try and e-mail you tonight at the address you gave me. Gotta do it when the wifes not looking. She doesn't like all this 911 stuff.

It's great that someone of the '911 thruth movement' makes it to the "big screen". However, it's a shame that he encourages the 'no plane theory'. What if the FBI shows one of the other 83/84 video's where you can see a plane flying in the Pentagon? The 911-thruth movement won't be taken serious then.

Prisonplanet.com warned us for this.

Sorry, GeorgeWashington, but I don't think Maclean's has posted the article to their website yet.

FYI, the article is titled "Hijacking the truth on 9/11." The subheading reads: "Once found only on fringe websites and in Arab marketplaces, conspiracy theorists about that day are popping up among serious academics."

It's on pages 40-41 of the May 15 issue, which has, appropriately enough, Canadian soldiers on the cover.

It's generally a fair depicttion of 9/11 Scholars. It focuses on the Canadian scholars, but also quotes Fetzer and Jones. Like so many mainstream stories, it does not get to the nitty-gritty science of 9/11.

As an aside, I should note that Maclean's used to be an innocuous, casually liberal magazine until February 2005, when a far right wing editor, Kenneth Whyte, was appointed. Since then, Canada's most widely circulated magazine has become a neocon rag. I add that for context. I'm not sure how that colours the 9/11 Scholars story, which, FTR, appears in the "Education" section of the magazine.

The EmperorÂ’s Plane Is Very Smartly Dressed

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of the emperorÂ’s plane crashing into the military headquarters building in full regalia.

The images, recorded by Pentagon security cameras outside the building, were made public in response to a December 2004 Freedom of Disinformation Act request by Sartorial Watch, a public interest group whose motto is “let’s put some teeth in fashion law.” Some still images from the video, which a few crazy conspiracy theorists had employed to argue that the plane was naked, had previously been leaked and publicly circulated.

The airplane is smartly dressed in a classic black-and-white tuxedo and specially tailored chartreuse matador pants as it crashes into the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly a magnificent white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of gray-black smoke, as the audience breaks into sustained applause. The groundswell of wild cheering following the planeÂ’s magnificent entrance leaves no doubt that the audience has witnessed a glorious display of sartorial splendor, as eyewitness accounts by military-industrial-complex drones had already amply confirmed.

Traveling at an estimated 350 mph to the tune of Strauss’s The Blue Danube Waltz, the emperor’s plane is seen wearing a magnificent royal purple bow tie beneath its windshield, while a black beret perched smartly above the cockpit gives the Boeing airliner a jaunty “je ne sais quoi” look. The perfectly-tailored tuxedo clings alluringly to the muscular contours of the plane’s fuselage, providing a striking accent to the white silk sleeves around the giant airliner’s wings.

The video’s release was intended to quell obscene speculations by conspiracy theorists, who are obsessed by perverted fantasies about the plane’s alleged nudity. One such lunatic was reported to have greeted the video by remarking, “Clothes, hell! I don’t even see an airliner!” before being hauled away by Homeland Insecurity agents.

Osama Bin Laden, who is said to be devouring William Blum books in his cave in Afghanistan, could not be reached for comment.

* * *

Kevin Barrett
Coordinator, MUJCA-NET: http://mujca.com
Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth

T-Bone,

I am very interested in seeing your DVD. I am an ordained minister and like the title you have chosen. Let me know what I should do to get a copy?

Thanks

It's great that someone of the '911 thruth movement' makes it to the "big screen". However, it's a shame that he encourages the 'no plane theory'. What if the FBI shows one of the other 83/84 video's where you can see a plane flying in the Pentagon? The 911-thruth movement won't be taken serious then.

Prisonplanet.com warned us for this.
BeursBengel | Homepage | 05.18.06 - 7:30 pm | #

maybe jones alex should make his own dvd and have people pass it out for free... or has he and no one cares for it...

alex jones makes us look crazy if you ask me...