The common link between those who attack Prof. Jones' solid work and those who implicate Truthers in the Times Square event, is that both also advocate the 'No Planes' nonsense.

In fact, the attacks upon Jones were nearly simultaneous to the time that the same attackers began peddling the 'No Planes' and 'Space Weapons' junk.

Another prominent 'No Planer' was appointed to the Dept. of Labor during Bush's first term and also was hired at Texas A&M at a time when the current Secretary of Defense and ex-CIA director was president there.

Attacking Jones, peddling the crazy-like-a-fox 'No Planes' junk and implicating Truthers in terrorist activity are potentially potent campaigns that have apparently been well considered by those with more sophistication than Haupt.

as an intelligence asset. Not by name, of course, but the implication is unmistakable.

This comes as no surprise to me.

Where is Mr. "Roberts" these days anyway? I was really hoping to meet him when I make it out to NYC.

Let's hope that Mr. Haupt has finally crossed the line and will do some time (or get deported).

Violence is NOT the answer.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Hi C911 -

Once again, I agree with you . . . I'm somewhat surprised to see how this has been voted down . . . but maybe I shouldn't be, since it shows how these deep gov't sponsored programs work (to persuade people).

Or Nico's having a mental breakdown (or both - if deliberately triggered by outside forces).

I guess I've fallen down the rabbit hole and can't get up (out). : )

Betsy

"We only see what we know."
-- Johan Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

Our battle is in the Court of Public Opinion.

Global Public Opinion of Historical Proportions.

With huge ramifications.

So how we conduct ourselves is going to make an Significant Difference.

The Msg and the Method. Equally Impt.

Our Relationship with Mainstream America and how they Perceive us is Important.

Perception is as Important as Reality.

WAC NYC has some very mature heads. Luke and Tom Fotti are cool and level headed people and we have to make sure we further support their strategy for Non-Violence, Building rapport with the NYPD etc and grassroots 911 Truth Activism.

Obviously someone is worried about their success so they have manipulated a degenerate who may have his own personal agenda to attack and smear them as well as the movement.

We have to keep winning Hearts and Minds and setting a good example in dealing with foul mouth crazies like Nico (who I still think needs rehab for his own good) is important.

How we react is going to demonstrate whether we are made of the Right Stuff.

Its a test. And we have good people on the ground. Lets support them in their efforts to deal with issues and pests / distractions like Haupt.

I guess "higher ups" like Giuliani,McCain, the Clintons are not too happy being confronted by WAC and may be trying to get even.

This is a Problem. It is also an Opportunity.

Lets WIN in the Court of Public Opinion.

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C911, these are very good posts. The one that got voted down is a very good post, IMO. Thanks. I will bookmark these, and refer to them every now and then.

I think perhaps the reason that people have voted this down is because ideas of "spirituality" are commonly understood to be "subjective" and most of the folks active on this site put a lot of time and energy into the "objective" aspects of truth-seeking.

Some people (such as myself) believe that there are other truths that do not lend themselves to the scientific method. Science can answer questions about the processes of the physical universe. It cannot answer the simple question, "Why does any of it exist in the first place?"

I think that there is a deep spiritual dimension to a study of Empire and shadow politics. David Ray Griffin addresses some of these issues in his book, "Christian Faith and the Truth about 9/11". I would love to discuss these ideas with folks who have an interest in it. If I was in internet wiz kid, I'd set up a special website where these ideas could be discussed.

"I think that there is a deep spiritual dimension to a study of Empire and shadow politics"

Exactly.

The old boys network from the Order of Death - Skull and Bones, the Bohemian Grove who ARE NOT just frat boys having a "good time" would also have to agree.

By their very actions.

Some of us do not believe in the spiritual dimension.

But a number of our "e$teemed leader$" apparently do.

Many "Chri$tian" leaders are actually dabbling in the Occult and are very very different from the public personae of good conservatives.

Hence the peodophilia etc. The mass murders. The lies. The cynicism.

Hence the "endorsement" of George W. Bush by many "Con$ervative Chri$tian Leader$".

You can tell a Tree by its FRUIT.

And the FRUITCAKE Presidents and the Secretary of Defenses by the yardstrick of Constitutional History and Common Sense.

An interesting read for informative purposes.

Nevertheless, I more than welcome critique of any sort.

Objective analysis is important as we have to prove our case from the scientific / engineering point of view.

Spiritual aspects are certainly subjective and that should be the case.

Precisely why we must agree to disagree.

One can preach but can one walk the talk?

Certainly applies to myself too.

Dr Griffin is right on on on his analysis about Christian Faith and the Truth about 911.

Perhaps others can consider blogging on this, on occassion, to facilitate discussion and review.

It may even benefit the skeptics.
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Everyone believes in the non-material world, because everyone thinks - and thoughts are non-material. Everyone wants to be happy, satisfied, fulfilled etc. -- and these are non-material states of mind, which we attempt to bring about by manipulating the material world (doing things - like baking a cake or me typing this - for example).

We who realize that the official conspiracy theory is a myth are subject to feeling outrage, depression, and we are subject to thoughts like "seeking justice," and perhaps lower thoughts of revenge or wishing ill would befall others. Our spiritual struggle to stay positive must go hand-in-hand with our material world struggles.

Anyway - whether or not one labels thoughts, feelings, desires, fears etc. as "spiritual" or not - these "non-things" make up a large portion of our conscious experience of Life.

I could go on and on about this - but I will lose everyone's interest - so I'll stop. My only point is that the non-material aspects of Life are front and center whether we realize it or not.

Personally, I have a great deal of interest in the spiritual dimension, but I only feel inspired by those spiritual beings who manifest love and compassion and teach in the light of day in the "village square."

I have no interest at all in the "spiritual teachings" of those who operate in secret.

The hocus pocus of the dark side is boring - even if it "works" -- or especially if it "works."

Yeech.

We need to know however to at least to identify these dark elements especially when they masquerade as the "Good Side".

I have a specific aversion to "Fake Chri$tian Con$ervatives" who are deep into some of these dark Order of Death Occultism crap.

Yeech indeed.

Better to stick to the Light of Truth.

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"Nico gives us no-planers a bad name" - no you give yourself a bad name by supporting patent and offensive absurdities like "no planes hit the WTC". The disinfo campaign has failed by the way.

The buildings were holograms.

(Does this get me off the FEMA camp list?)

As Michael Moore asked: "Was it all just a bad dream?"

The controlled demolitions were CG too.

But as for the 9/11 truth fakery? That's pretty transparent.
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That's disinfo--to distract from the fact there were "no buildings". Or people. All the witnesses were holograms too.

On a serious note, I thought Nico was emailing me rubbish, but turns out it's a different no planes stalker:

http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2008/04/911-stalker-update-its-not-ni...

So hard to keep them straight....
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no President Bushes and Dick Cheneys.

And Neo-Cons for that matter.

But seriously, the Real Problem is No Common Sense.

When we don't have CS we will fall for all kinds of BS.
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^ Caught those s.o.b's faking the Towers right there! Anyone who’s going to deny it just can’t handle the idea that those Towers were PLANETED folks! It just defies the laws of physics to think otherwise. Obviously they wouldn’t just collapse without any resistance. I mean a plane hitting the Towers with little resistance because it’s travelling at 500mph, with wings full of jetfuel making it like a battering ram at that velocity, crashing into buildings designed to absorb exactly such an impact is one thing. Clearly the planes were faked to, but the faked buildings is what its all about! I know all the “lielings” and "reality huggers" will come here talk trash, make easy arguments that I’ve got no reply to, but they can all just go slush their drivel, who cares about facts when your dealing with such a serious subject as 9/11?

I thought you people were just misguided fools but it now appears that you truly are being employed to discredit and attacks us - the sane people who want to improve America.

However, I won't lower myself to your level and will remain professional at every step of the way. My question to the community is "How do we work together to prevent this insanity from spreading?"