"For the time being"?

Even if you were right about your analysis, that doesn't explain why Ron says things like this:

Quoted from Screw Lucy:

Asked about whether the Troofers should abandon the "9-11 was an inside job" rhetoric, he replies:

"Well, it doesn't do me any good, so if they care about me they should."

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so much for Ron Paul and 911 truth.. I really don't think he answered that question correct.. he should by now know how much real questions there are and he should have returned a real question too them.. like why wasn't building 7 in the report, what happened with the money.. you don't have to be a inside job conspiracy nut to have a question.. jeez, not even the dust is mentioned.. sad day for truth. He knows.. just listen to the clip posted (thanks AJfan) so why? could he answer that and not with that stick your head in the sand approach by this article. Sure Fox would love to putt him in a "box" but so what? does truth have to move for Fox? hell no! I've pretty much had it with this softy approach.

How difficult is it to say "Millions of Americans, including many 9/11 family members, are demanding a truly independent investigation into 9/11 - with no conflicts of interest and no avoiding the difficult questions. I don't advocate any theories about 9/11 but I do support a new investigation." Apparently it's too difficult for Ron Paul.

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I totaly agree!

He's done - Ron Paul sells out and proves that what the people think and want has nothing to do with who really owns all these politicians. In a way FOX did us a favor - they drew that line in the sand - and all Paul's rhetoric just stood there - so now we know where he really stands. Truth is not something that bends to accomodate strategy and convenience.
And btw - maybe "they" actually want a "Revolution" - they seem to be taunting and daring us to everyday with each new shocking outrage/headline. They are ready to bring the hammer down the moment it starts. I don't know what the answer is - we are screwed either way.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

.....so why tip-toe and pander around to them? Don't we believe that that majority of at least semi-informed Americans know what is going on - and wouldn't they have been energized to see Paul step up to the plate? Those hardcore 30% FOX'ers are never going to change their view - no matter how careful and diplomatic you waste your time catering to them. Ron Paul had a key moment to break through the corporate media veil - and let the People know he was for real - no matter what the TeeVee tries to say reality is.
Yes - FOX/ABC/CNN/NBC would have a "field day" with him afterwards - but who is left that even goes to these picnics?

I see your point and respect it, but at what point do we decide we aren't going to apologize anymore for appearing like kooks and wackos? Will we wait until things "really get bad" and then stop being politically correct?
Don't get me wrong - I ask myself this question when I opt to not share my beliefs with someone who I suspect I might "offend". But at some point - we shit or get off the pot and rename it the "Truth When Convenient" movement.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

... how large a proportion of voters he is alientating by his comments?

Is he stupid or what?

Didn't he even appear on Alex Jones' show?

The best way right now to advance those odds is to help him win the primary. Red State and Free Republic are places you might start commenting. On 9/11, he's just like everyone else.

Paul has shown himself very capable of arguing views out of the mainstream. He could easily have said that he supports a 9/11 investigation. He could have removed himself from the belief by saying that the questions need to be resolved for the good of the country. Open government, accountability, national unity -- there's all sorts of ways he could have come out looking fine on this issue, without offending his supporters that don't question 9/11. He could have made the debater look like a fool, if he really "knows" and supports an investigation. And he could have gained supporters that do question 9/11.

Ron Paul has some baggage--allegations of racism---that this movement should not carry. On that issue, he is a kook, as far as I'm concerned. If he was arguing for an investigation, I could see overlooking the baggage and his lame explanation for it. But he's not. And like you say, the odds of him becoming president are overwhelming.

Those "allegations of racism" are part of an obvious smear campaign, if you believe RP is a racist and that ANY of those words are his then check yourself because you've just absorbed a little brainwashing from the mainstream media.

Look at the seething HATRED!

Of course it's a smear campaign, but the words went out in his newsletter and he is responsible for them. He did a great job of spinning them into a positive argument against the drug war, which shows he could have done that with his support by 9/11 truthers if he wanted to. It seems he considers his 9/11 truther support more embarassing than his neo-Confederate racist support.

>>Of course it's a smear campaign, but the words went out in his newsletter and he is responsible for them.

With one sentence he could have disassociated himself. He has chosen not to for a reason. Whatever that reason is, he is keeping the "smear" alive by staying silent on his support from the white supremacists.

Jeeze, DBLS! Are you so dogmatically libertarian that you will apologize for any dishonest and racist behavior as long as the person espouses your libertarian views? And you have the nerve to accuse Victronix of "going nuts over Ron?" I think it quite clearly is YOU who is going nuts over Ron.

"And Victronix you support McKinney so don’t act like you’re not bias in anyway, I support all the candidates that are fighting the good fight I don’t pick and choose based on skewed “Left vs. Right” divide and conquer garbage."

Actually, DBLS, McKinney was the only Congressperson who told the truth about 9/11, and is the only presidential candidate today who is telling the truth about 9/11. What's wrong with supporting McKinney? I think your statement above reveals how much of a hypocrite you are. Only someone who is completely biased and blind to the "skewed left right divide and conquer garbage" as you are apparently, would dogmatically stand by a liar and coward such as Ron Paul, while belittling someone who supports the only honest candidate. It's interesting, DBLS, that you also dogmatically cling to Alex Jones, another racist fearmonger who's sensationalistic bull shit anti-immigrant crap is so over the top that he's discredited himself to all but the most hardcore blind libertarian/christian/right-wing types who don't give a bleep about the damage these kinds of people do to the targets of their bigotry.

How long are you going to apologize for a liar and a coward, DBLS? Just what would Ron Paul have to do for you to stop "going nuts" over him, I wonder?

It's not SLANDER about the racism. The 20 years worth of newsletters containing hugely racist statements are OUT. Look them up yourself. I've already seen what I need to see. The man himself may or may not be a racist, but he's allowed his newletter to be a TOOL for the racists if he isn't. That's no better.

Here's just a tiny bit of coverage on it, but since this article much more has come out --

http://911review.com/articles/bov/RonPaul_08.html#0.1_01000009

I was not lying or intentionally trying to spread misinfo about the man. Perhaps this latest racism charge is overblown. If so, I will apologize. I'll have to look into it in more depth. However, this isn't the first time these issues have come up for Ron Paul. He's got an unfortunate history of befriending and accepting money from white supremacists. I guess that this is partly due to the unfortunate reality that the libertarian/patriot movements seem to be infested with these kinds of supporters. Perhaps he needs to distance himself from these types of people more convincingly. He's also made some pretty questionable statements in the past, such as this:

"I think it's safe to say that 90-95% of black men in [DC] are criminal."

After the 1992 LA riots, Ron Paul displayed a particularly embarrassing lack of empathy and awareness of the racist treatment of African-Americans by the justice system and other institutions.

My main beef with Ron Paul, though, is that he is a total coward and is obviously not worthy of our trust, besides the fact that his "libertarian" solutions would take us backwards into feudal capitalism, not forward to a civilized, democratic society.

>>And Victronix you support McKinney so don’t act like you’re not bias in anyway

Actually, everyone supports someone in an election -- a bias inherently exists for each and every person in an election -- so that's a baseless position on my own posts. Whether I supported Hillary, Ghouliani, Nader or anyone but Paul, I still would criticize Paul on the positions I do.

Everybody pls see this : http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20071215/News/112150044/-1/NEW...

"Paul told the LVN earlier that the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 without a declaration of war by Congress was the most egregious violation of the Constitution in the last 20 years. But when asked why he hasn't supported the impeachment of President Bush, Paul responded that impeachment is the duty of the opposing party, and he would have to consider if a president willfully or ignorantly deserved impeachment before making a decision."

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RP thinks impeachment is the duty of the opposition. and he has to consider if the President was willfully breaking the Constitution,

This is the one of the worst examples of political meandering and obsfucations I have heard of in recent times.

This very disturbing position RP has on impeachment added to his defacto position on 911 Truth exposes him to be just another Republican effectively supporting the TREASON and HIGH CRIMES of HIS FELLOW REPUBLICAN Party members.

Frankly, I am disgusted.

The 911 Truth Movement, which Jason Bermas says in a recent interview is the base of support for the RP campaign, is giving this candidate too much slack.

He should be confronted by WAC and the rest the same way the other candidates have been.

The double standards that GCN, WTPRN, the entire Alex Jones network has on RP excusing his lack of enthusiasm on pursuing 911 Truth and his complete indifference to impeachment, hiding behind those terrible words above, indicate the Truth Movement has seriously been comprimised.

Pls wake up people. I used to be a RP supporter but there is something very very seriously wrong about the purpose of his campaign, evident in those words of his above.

We need to hold him and his entire campaign accountable on both 911 Truth and Impeachment.

Political meandering by another Republican supporting the defactor Party Line- "No Impeachment, no 911 Truth" is the last thing we need.

I hope the Loose Change Crew, the WAC crew, all supporters of RP will realize the time for hard questions and hard re-examining of this man has come. We are 10 mths away from any opportunity to effect REAL CHANGE and Truth into the elections.

There is no way RP can keep ANY of his campaign promises - get rid of the IRS, the Federal Reserve, downsize the military-industrial complex if he cannot handle Impeachment and 911 Truth.

That comes 1st and will lead to the rest once the TRUTH blows wide open.

Frankly, I think we are being taken for a ride and people like Alex Jones are doing a great deal of harm not asking RP the hard and obvious.

We are getting propoganda from the 911 Truth Movement on a false premise of Hope For America via Ron Paul, on a candidate , that totally does not support the basic Foundational tenets of the 911 Truth Movement, i.e. it was an Inside Job.

Pls do your research on what RP has said on Radio to non GCN audiences of his stand of 911 truth.

He says totally different things on GCN Radio shows and other MSM shows. Very disturbing.

HE is a Blowback candidate for 911 Truth even though he appears to be better than all the Democrats and Republicans put together.

Support for his campaing is going to blow up in our faces in the mths ahead.

If RP is the best the Truth Movement can come up with, this movement is near its end.

We better start re-evaluating our position and political strategy and stop playing this CHARADE of lies that allows the RP campaign to continue harnesing support from the 911 Truth movement on false promises.

There will be no real investigation on 911 Truth from ANY "No Impeachment", No "Inside Job" Establishment Candidate.

What the RP campaign has done is to effectively dilute any real support for genuine 911 Truth Political Activism in the 2008 elections.

We have been HAD people. Let's stop making excuses for this man and his campaign.

There is no way the Federal Reserve is going to be removed until a candidate emerges with the COURAGE to FACE 911 Truth.

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There are college speeches out there on the Internet where you can view Ron Paul saying things like "I definitely believe there is a NEW WORLD ORDER". He was saying these things in the 90's, probably before you even got wind of his name.

The Media could easily get him on these kind of statements. But noooo, they choose 9/11, because it's the big taboo, even more so than the "NEW WORLD ORDER" speeches.

SO guys like yourself abscond and hide under the table because they have DICTATED to you what is "acceptable" and "off limits". The only reason you choose to remain silent about it is because you have been trained like a dog to see it as "embarrassing", or at the most something that doesn't bode well with the masses.

And all this crap about Ron Paul "waiting" for the chance to show us all his real feelings.

Holy Hell

Wake up dude...Ron Paul is NOT a fucking "truther". Has he not made that clear? He will NOT lead us to the land of milk and Truth Honey. For Christ's sake...let it go already. In fact, in all honesty, it's not looking like ANYONE in this God Damned Government wants to hear it. STop this wishful thinking that someone will help us on the inside. It's childish and it only sets false hope for others.

By the way, how good is your Japanese?

Can you assist in translating this: http://911blogger.com/node/13340

Thanks.

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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it