Hi stallion4,

I've just written directly to the author of the video and I've got this reply:

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Dear Jan,

Thanks again for your attention to my video. Originally it appeared
as a video response to video posted by gentleman identified himself as 'burnvictim77' who expressed his doubts about WTC7 explosions and
requested proof of demolition. So I cut out a portion of his video exposed
falling core sections (3:10):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtYrArNibHo

Frame by frame analysis of falling core columns brought to my attention absolutely unexpected finding identified as squibs on a top floors of
WTC7 appeared before core columns section reached WTC7 level.

Since there are lots of falsified videos and still on web, I decided to look
for original footage first. All I was able to find was another youtube video
released by '911truthiness', squibs are seen there at 0:21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JHzuVywQ8

I reviewed tons of other footages from all media networks, however, I could
not not find nothing else what would provide solid confirmation. The problem
was (the way I see it) caused by WTC1 eye-catching collapse; camera
operators focused on tower, zoomed it and WTC7 on all other footages
simply got out of frame. An I failed to find original footage which definitely
would have better resolution.

However, well known amateur video footage provided by 'Bob and Bri',
made from different angle, and released by 'darimon':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOzOtkAkhI

provided me with confidence that there really were squibs. Huge clouds
are seen coming from WTC7 top floors at 3:05 and those clouds match
from timing perspective first footage.

So, despite my concerns about quality of first footage, I considered both
footages matching and decided to release my video. I purposely did not
mention in my video clouds seen from 'Bob and Bri' footage with a hope
other viewers will confirm that. And eventually one visitor did.

I hope original digital version of first footage would help a lot.

Please let me know if you got any question or concern. I would really
appreciate if you share your opinion.

Very truly yours,

Chen

P.S. Sorry about possible typos, stylistic and grammar errors.
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I checked the videos and it realy looks like there are the squibs at WTC7 corner. What I've understood from the Youtube discussion the authors are waiting for the master copies of the videos to confirm the results. But because they've most probably used the publicly available source I think it is at least partialy credible. I think if the findings are true - it is a major breakthrough. It would be good to confirm the results independently. If the video is genuine, there are probably more copies showing the same sitting on the net. I unfortunately have no idea where could the other copies be. I just think, that if somebody would find the same somewhere it could be an valuable confirmation.
The implications about the core remains I find so conclusive that there is probably no more proof needed - because there are at least three videos to my knowledge showing the same. Although more would be appreciated.

Feel free to contact me at tumetuestumefaisdubien@gmail.com with any additional questions.

Jan

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Still need to examine more angles.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HGXZMQ76
The original (cut directly from the archive.org footage without re-encoding) is available at: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RLCLJ51H

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.

Sorry, I haven't seen anything in your photos to support the dismissal. Can you be more specific?

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http://www.911blogger.com/user/4756/track
Thanks! Welcome to the forum.

The burden is on you. Your defending the unverified claim. Make some measurements.

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.

for my comment subject :))

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Actually as you can see 10 of 27 stills you provided clearly display core columns; 5 of 27 clearly display perimeter columns; columns are barely visible on others. I guess you'd better check your own materials before you make any claim.

http://governmentterror.com/images/5122.jpg supports nothing

more at: http://nasathermalimages.com/#%5B%5BWTC1%20Demolition%20Images%5D%5D

#1 - supports nothing
#2 - supports nothing
#3 - supports nothing
#4 - extends claim, displays perimeter columns
#5 - supports nothing
#6 - supports claim, displays core columns
#7 - extends claim, displays perimeter columns
#8 - supports claim, displays core columns
#9 - supports claim, displays core columns
#10 - supports claim, displays core columns
#11 - supports claim, displays core columns
#12 - supports claim, displays core columns
#13 - supports claim, displays core columns
#14 - supports claim, displays core columns
#15 - supports nothing
#16 - supports claim, displays core columns
#17 - supports nothing
#18 - supports claim, displays core columns
#19 - supports nothing
#20 - supports nothing
#21 - supports nothing
#22 - supports nothing
#23 - extends claim, displays perimeter columns
#24 - extends claim, displays perimeter columns
#26 - extends claim, displays perimeter columns

I see you registered just to make this comment. Thank You!
http://www.911blogger.com/user/4761/track

It's clear what section we are talking about as the video highlights it.
Feel free to measure and post the distances between the cols seen in the large piece visible on the left of http://governmentterror.com/images/5122.jpg .

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.
http://nasathermalimages.com

What I see at the photograph are definitely the perimeter columns connected on each floor. I must face the reality. It looks that it even can be the same chunk as in the Chen's video. Thank you for posting the comment. The false claims must be dismissed as quick as possible.

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It looks like some of the photographs show core columns and some show the perimeter columns, from your list even in some cases I'm not sure if what show the photographs are not in fact the perimeter not the core columns (#9). To be honest as I see it now from examination of the photographs It seems to me there is a possibility that in the video it is a fallacy of low resolution, and what looks like the core columns could be the connections of perimeter columns on each floor. I've sent link to the video to the ae911truth and they promised to evaluate the Chen's claim. So I'll send your list with the photographs to him or direct him to this discussion. He said that he plans to do the reedition of the video after having more material (especially from critics), so I think this photographs with your list could be quite valuable for him. - I think that on the end we are looking for truth, not some unsuported claims or making hoaxes. More eyes see more and more people know more photographic material to support or dismiss the claim. So from my point of wiev it is welcome. Anyway I also registered to this blog for posting the video :) Especially because the WTC7 squibs should be independently confirmed with other videos if there is any available. - For suporting the hypothesis of WTC7 demolition it would be realy valuable.

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Hi, my name is Chen, I am 'Pull it down, Larry' creator.

The mastership of engineering is to build something nobody was able to build, the mastership of composing is to compose something nobody composed before, and mastership of investigation is finding something nobody was able to find. That's why my virtual studio is called 'buckeye studio'.

Dutch writer Hans Christian Andersen hundreds of years ago wrote a story about king, who was walking across the streets naked claiming he was wearing modern costume, his servants were cheering him and stating how beautiful his costume was, and one little girl who claimed 'King was naked'. That story actually describes one psychology issues - sometimes human beings cannot admit they saw what they really saw for numerous reasons. Servants had a job, they had fear, they were supposed to be politically correct, otherwise they would be fired or imprisoned. Small girl did not have a job, she did not have any fear and she would not be imprisoned. That's why she told a truth. And the opposite were lies.

The same with columns. People see core columns blown away, however, they cannot admit. So they find pictures displayed perimeter columns and claim core columns perimeter columns. What actually is a lie. Both core columns and perimeter columns were blown out, so both are displayed on numerous pictures. However, when somebody sees core columns - he or she should admit that. Just in order to maintain decency and honesty.

Whether towers were demolished or not, core columns should be called core columns and perimeter columns should be called perimeter columns. The rest is a subject of new 9/11 investigation demanded by 9/11 movement.

I did not promise to re-edit 'Pull it down, Larry', but I am gathering evidence every day and working on second edition which will extend first edition. No single piece will be cut off.

Lies always lead to failure and disaster, I hope my opponents understand that. And I hope they understand little girl was much smarter.

Using crap low res footage.

Repeat after me. YOUTUBE IS NOT A SOURCE.

Find the WTC7 squibs in real full res footage. Then you'll have something. I looked and they are not there as far as I can see.

Also please MARK AND POST the core cols your talking about. The ones in the movie are clearly perimeter cols as can be seen here: http://nasathermalimages.com/images/5122.jpg

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.

Listen to jkeogh, Chen.

IMHO the WTC-7 squibs seen in your video look like they were added. I'm not saying you added them, Chen, since the source video that you say you used from Youtube may have already had them. Perhaps I'm wrong and they're real explosions/squibs, but we need to establish if they are real by comparing it with other versions of the same video.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!" -Dr. Frank Greening

Sorry, I never listen to liars. Calling core columns perimeter columns is lie, so jkeogh discredited himself.

About source video - URLs to two videos were provided, you can watch them at any time. One of those videos is video posted by guy who requested a proof of WTC7 demolition.

You watched my video, but if you watched it carefully, you would find squibs visible on second footage, 'Bob and Bri'. I purposely did not mention it in video, just in order to check how careful viewers are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JHzuVywQ8

So from looking at that video I'll say you definitely have something. But do you have a higher quality video, something not from Youtube?

RE: Bob & Bri footage

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the WTC-7 squibs/explosions in the Youtube clip you provided above...

(video of North Tower demolition begins 3 minutes into vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOzOtkAkhI

Do you have a link to a high-quality download of this video, not something from Youtube or Google video?

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!" -Dr. Frank Greening

Stallion,

Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate confirmation on your side. I watched tons of recordings publicly available on web, on numerous sites (not youtube) gathered original prime networks recordings (such as CNN, Fox News etc), but unfortunately I could not find it. I believe if somebody (person or organization) requests original recording from that network directly, it is definitely going to be big help. That's simply beyond my ability.

Clouds are visible coming from top floors of WTC7 at 'Bob and Bri' footage at 3:05. Please have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOzOtkAkhI

Truly.

Thanks again, Stallion. I believe you understand that falsifying video materials is inappropriate action if not a crime. Truth may not rely on lies. 9/11 movement does not need any lies. History Channel, Popular Mechanics may discredit themselves, it is up to them; 9/11 movement - cannot. Too much is at stake, not just reputation or credibility.

I understand your frustration with core columns. You saw core columns in my vdieo, you saw core columns on hundreds of pictures, even on pictures you provided, and there is nothing you can say. That's why you claim those are perimeter columns. That's how you ridiculed yourself out. That's why you are getting rude.

If you want to support or make any claim, you are supposed to a little bit smarter and do not debunk yourself what you actually did. Following are pictures you provided clearly displayed core columns:
http://governmentterror.com/images/1531.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/6165.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/5834.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/6590.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/5490.jpg

Some pictures clearly display perimeter columns. Both types of columns were blown out, so both were caught by photographers.

And you should not mention any low res anymore. Remember, those are pictures you posted, not anybody else.

Good luck with your self-debunking.

http://governmentterror.com/images/1531.jpg - When I download the picture and enlarge it I can see what is most probably the tiny perimeter columns
http://governmentterror.com/images/6165.jpg - I can't discern, but from the logic I can come to the conclusion it is the same section as in the previous image and in the image http://nasathermalimages.com/images/5122.jpg where the perimeter columns are clearly visible
http://governmentterror.com/images/5834.jpg - dtto
http://governmentterror.com/images/6590.jpg - undiscernable for me - the image is too low quality
http://governmentterror.com/images/5490.jpg - undiscernable for me - the image is too low quality

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Please be advised all images were posted by jkeogh who later claimed they are low quality. You can find better quality images if you wish of course. However:

http://governmentterror.com/images/1531.jpg - When I download the picture and enlarge it I can see what is most probably the tiny perimeter columns
- CORE COLUMNS VISIBLE LEFT FROM TOWER, NO NEED TO ENLARGE
http://governmentterror.com/images/6165.jpg - I can't discern, but from the logic I can come to the conclusion it is the same section as in the previous image and in the image 5122.jpg where the perimeter columns are clearly visible - CORE COLUMNS VISIBLE LEFT FROM TOWER, NO NEED TO ENLARGE
http://governmentterror.com/images/6590.jpg - undiscernable for me - the image is too low quality - CORE COLUMNS CLEARLY VISIBLE RIGHT FROM TOWER
http://governmentterror.com/images/5490.jpg - undiscernable for me - the image is too low quality - CORE COLUMNS CLEARLY VISIBLE OVER AT&T BUILDING

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/kahn/wtc1b.jpg - after enlargement perimeter colums barely, but discernable
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/nt_col2698.jpg - after enlargement perimeter colums barely, but discernable
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/nt_col0865.jpg - after enlargement perimeter colums barely, but discernable
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/nt_col1531.jpg - after enlargement perimeter colums barely, but discernable
http://nasathermalimages.com/images/5122.jpg - perimeter colums discernable

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/juice/JBR_0007425.j... - image from the west, proving no debris could possibly hit the WTC7 in the upper part. - especially not in case of gravitational collapse of WTC1 - where one couldn't expect the high lateral velocities of the debris - it is simply too far for it to reach upper part of WTC7 - so at least the main purpose of the Chen's video - to debunk the claim the WTC7 was hit by the WTC1 debris in the upper southwest corner I find confirmed.

all images from 911research must be copy-and-paste because 911research apparently don't allow them linked from other pages.

http://www.stage6.com/user/Tha_man_from_space/video/1057262/ - Bob and Bri hi res (something like clouds around the southwest corner of WTC7 barely visible - but in frame-to-frame analysis there is definitely something.)

I must also add, that I again watched this two videos (Chen used as sources):

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtYrArNibHo aded to youtube by burnvictim77 on July 25, 2007
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JHzuVywQ8 aded to youtube by 911truthiness on April 28, 2007

booth I've downloaded and examined in frame to frame analysis - they booth contain the clearly visible squibs in same positions - and in my oppinion at least look they coul'd be authentic.
So again I would urge to search for the master or the other sources, because if confirmed - it would be a realy major breaktrough.
And even in case it would be dismissed - we would learn another bit about the video fakery and disinfo around 9/11.

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Please feel free to request original footage from media network. I guess 911blogger.com has enough power to do that.

There were both perimeter columns and core columns blown out, however, when people see core columns they should not call them perimeter columns.

Again, I have to state the difference between court trial and preliminary investigation. Court trial requires tangible evidence. Preliminary investigation uses numerous leads in order to obtain tangible evidence supported one of numerous versions. Publicly accessed videos I mentioned and my video I directed considered a lead to tangible evidence. The rest is just technical part which is supposed to be conducted by professional investigators able to get an access to any source. That's why we demand new 9/11 investigation.

So jkeogh, repeat after me:

I, JKeogh, will never tell Chen or anybody else what to do or what not to do.

And I think with this style you'll just quickly lose credibility.

I think the jkeogh picture http://nasathermalimages.com/images/5122.jpg shows the same pattern of the bottom part of the section as the first "core columns" section in your video - and thus what you show in the video is probably the perimeter section. I can be wrong, but that's what I now see.

Other question are the squibs. If we'll find the full res with it, or other videos to support the same - then it could be taken more seriously. But with a low res video nobody can go to the court. I hope you at least see there are serious doubts, so it would be good to clear them or it has I'm afraid no value. We need probable cause not just some fairy-tales about little girls.

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It was not me who filmed north tower collapse. It was not me who photographed sections of core columns blown out:
http://governmentterror.com/images/1531.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/6165.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/5834.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/6590.jpg
http://governmentterror.com/images/5490.jpg
But it was jkeogh who posted them on his website and claimed those were perimeter columns.

I did not deliver opinion, I delivered evidence. So I do not need any credibility especially in a light of jkeogh considered credible after he called core columns perimeter columns and ignored his own posts. IMHO he does not even have courage to admit he was wrong.

Pattern... interesting approach... You know what? Open core columns pictures above in five separate windows, and launch my video in another window, and see how perfectly those pictures match video.

No, of course low quality video may not be considered an evidence in court. However, you have to understand the difference between court trial and preliminary investigation (conducted by detectives). Evidence delivered into court room supposed to be strong evidence, tangible evidence. Evidence gathered during preliminary investigation, even not strong, considered a lead to further investigation. The goal of further investigation is to find strong evidence supported detectives' version or find out version was wrong.

I recall one criminal case. Couple years ago young girl was kidnapped, and CCTV recorded man who was pulling her across gas station. Could that evidence be brought into court room? Of course not. Did it eventually lead to murderer? Yes, it did. Murderer was caught and prosecuted. So the same here.