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FOIA Appeal Denied: FBI Again Refuses To Confirm Identity Of 9/11 Planes

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Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 7:18am.

Aidan Monaghan

In an effort to end speculation surrounding the events at the Pentagon building on September 11, 2001, a Freedom of Information Act request was made of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, seeking confirmation of the process by which recovered debris belonging to the 4 aircraft used in the 9/11 terrorist attacks was identified. This request was denied. An appeal of that decision has also been denied. Court action is pending.

According to the FBI, "the material requested is located in an investigative file which is exempt from disclosure pursuant to Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A)."

This subsection reads: "could be reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings."

The FBI has publicly declared that certain civil aircraft were involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. It apparently was not believed by the FBI, that disclosure of that information would jeopardize any September 11th "enforcement proceedings".

It is unknown why disclosure of aircraft identifying data - that is presumably the basis for the FBI's current public opinion regarding the 9/11 planes and which was likely provided by the Federal Aviation Administration or the National Transportation Safety Board - could then jeopardize FBI "enforcement proceedings".

"The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent Federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States."

http://www.ntsb.gov/Abt_NTSB/history.htm

The NTSB acknowledges that it provided assistance to the FBI, regarding its investigation of the civil aircraft reportedly used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001:

"The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI."

(See NTSB source links provided below)

The FBI currently lists American Airlines flight 11, United Airlines flight 175, American Airlines flight 77 and United Airlines flight 93, as those used to carry out the 9/11 attacks:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm

The National Transportation Safety Board lists the above flights on September 11, 2001 as being provided by the following aircraft, that were listed under the Federal Aviation Administration registry as follows:

American Airlines flight 11 - N334AA

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa

United Airlines flight 175 - N612UA

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa

American Airlines flight 77 - N644AA

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fa

United Airlines flight 93 - N591UA

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA065&rpt=fa

Original FOIA request denial:

Original FOIA request:

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Good work Aidan

I been following your progress. Keep their feet to the fire my friend. Great work...

Rob

http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

Submitted by rob balsamo on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:27am.
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Thank You

I plan to proceed with the court action recommended by the appeal denial.

The public has a right to know precisely what happened at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, if the government is able to provide an answer.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:34am.
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I'm curious

why was the sentence that described section of law used to sue govt redacted?

Submitted by nuggets on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 11:56pm.
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My guess

It's probably because they did not want to provide free legal information. They probably think that those who challenge them should "to do their own homework" (i.e., why help your adversary to enable an act that "could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings").

Which is a crock. According to the US Constitution, the federal government is supposed to be subservient to the people, not the other way around. Last time I checked, they work for us.

And this is precisely why the growing number of Americans who believe their government is untrustworthy view it with more and more suspicion each and every day.

9/11 was an inside job.

Submitted by quicknthedead on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 12:38am.
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Oops ...

It was done in error by me.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 5:13am.
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I've had similar trouble

obtaining something as basic as a police report. They throw out the same umbrella statute each and every time. It's really irritating. But by all means, don't let their stonewalling stop you. Sue away, please.

Submitted by Mekt_Ranzz on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 10:00am.
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Couldn't the feds

Couldn't the feds essentially hand over fake parts or non-recognizable parts in the event of a demanding court action... It seems that the FBI can cover this up regardless of a court decision...

Submitted by Runner701 on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 10:08am.
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Have Also Sought FAA Records Of 9/11 Plane ID Info

Hoprefully, the FAA can provide info relevant to this request.

Since the info sought is pre-9/11, there is no excuse to conceal this info, that can serve as a reference in the event the FBI ever does reveal the ID info being sought.

I'm curious to see if the FAA will be as unresponsive as the FBI.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 7:36pm.
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Let us know how we can support you

The mere fact that you are doing this, together with their obvious stonewalling, is helping us move closer to a day of reckoning. You are out front and you have our respect and support.

Submitted by peakdavid on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 10:09am.
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Thanx.

I'll provide an update ASAP.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 9:30am.
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are the feds truthers ?

Does this mean that the Hoover-boys are still investigating 9-11 ?
Why ? Because they know we are right ?
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"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya

Submitted by Peter on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 2:36pm.
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Appeal

Please appeal this to a federal court ,pro se, if need be. I presently have a pending NIST request for photos and video of the close up south side of Building 7 and the interior lobby areas. I await the inventory list, and the appeal for a fee waiver was acknowledged, and I also await that answer.

Submitted by Ferric Oxide on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 8:52pm.
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Foot Dragging Seems To Be The Status Quo For NIST

Usually FOIA requesters are provided contact info to obtain status info.

I'd contact them weekly until you obtain a response.

NIST=NITL: Not In This Lifetime.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 9:28am.
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Destruction of evidence by the FBI or others should be punished

John A MITCHELL
Herblay france

Thanks for the good photo "Aircraft Parts FBI"

Here is a photo that I extracted from the FEMA archives and put on my web site the 17/08/2002 titled '"in front of the Pentagon a skip labelled EVIDENCE" at
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/911Pho01.html#BM1
The FBI should come public with the évidence picked up at the Pentagon. Where is the reconstruction of the Boeing( or Global Hawk ? ) that hit the pentagon like was done for the Boeing Swissair 111 crash ?
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0037_Recov43b%20vol%20de%20swissair-111...

If any of the evidence is destroyed by the FBI or others we will hold partly responsable the people ( complices ? ) photographed picking up the aircraft pieces too quickly from the crime area. See
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/911Pho01.html#BM57
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/911Pho01.html#BM64
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0079_FBI_searching_for_wreckage.html

We have their photos so they can be identified and brought to testify before a court on how long they were prepared for this and who gave the orders and what exactly did they pick up. You can be sure that there must be a lot of other photos like this one.

Yours

John

Submitted by mouv4x8 on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 10:12am.
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Great Pics

Can you provide others that may be helpful?

I'll hopefully submit a formal complaint in federal district court this week.

Facts that puzzle me:

- Donald Rumsfeld is reportedly in possession of debris tied to what is alleged to be AA 77. (By what right?)
- I have images of various 9/11 aircraft debris that has been presented within exhibits for public viewing. (Apparently deemed unthreatening to enforcement proceedings.)
- The info that was presumably used by the FBI to identify the debris (from the NTSB and/or FAA) is info that was recorded pre-9/11 by these agencies. It seems the FBI would not have a legal leg to stand on in trying to argue that this info is exempt from disclosure.

Unless of course ...

The FBI never ID'd the aircraft debris.

Time will tell.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 10:42am.
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Rumsfeld's "Wonderful Reminder" of that day..

This debris was actually on his desk at one point, and he described it as a "wonderful reminder of that day." Interesting.

There is absolutely no justification in denying records that simply prove the identity of aircraft that they themselves publically stated were involved. This does not reveal law enforcement methods or intelliegence sources-- it is simply a confirmation of civilian aircraft identity!

Besides, according to the FBI itself there is no longer even a criminal investigation. By declaring 9/11 an act of war, the administration was able to kill the "criminal investigation." The antrhax attacks provided a further distraction of resources, and of course the 9/11 Commission was not a criminal investigation. There has never been a criminal investigation into the largest crime in US history. Why?

FOIA exemptions are routinely abused. This is a cover-up. And our corportate media is covering up the cover-up!

It is time to MARCH FOR TRUTH. Los Angeles? New York?

Submitted by RL McGee on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 11:10am.
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Okay I have put my links to more than 7000 high definition photo

Okay I have put my links to more than 7000 high definition photos at
, http://205.234.134.46/node/12792#comment-170637
you have to open the hidden page.
Yours John

Submitted by mouv4x8 on Sat, 12/15/2007 - 6:28pm.
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United Airlines has the wreckage of UA93

The second German TV channel (ZDF) tried to film the reassembled wreck of UA93 and they got given the runaround by the insurance company, United Airlines and the FBI:

Story, video and links:
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/09/german-tv-revelations-about-...

Aidan, you may want to phone the author MICHAEL RENZ. His statements may be useful in your court case and maybe he sends a TV crew. His direct dial phone number is:

(011) +49 6131 70-2838

general email: info@zdf.de
general ZDF phone number: +49 6131-70-1 fax: +49 6131 70-2157

Postal Address:

MICHAEL RENZ
ZWEITES DEUTSCHES FERNSEHEN
ZDF-Strasse 1
D - 55127 Mainz
Alemagne

If the (slightly right-wing) ZDF doesn't react you can also try to contact OTHER INVESTIGATIVE MAGAZINES on other germans channels. They may be interested in the story because of the german context. The 911 anniversary ZDF programme caused quite a stir.

monitor@wdr.de -- http://www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/ is a fairly fearless investigative weekly magazine, they reported about USA using Napalm in Iraq, for example, see
http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/12/usa-uses-napalm-in-iraq-war.htm...

MONITOR
Postfach
D- 50600 Koeln
Alemagne

general phone.: +49 221 220 - 0 Fax: +49 221 220 - 4800
or maybe: ph: +49 221 19711 Fax: +49 221 19710

another one (three-weekly) is Panorama

postal address:
NDR Fernsehen
Redaktion PANORAMA
Hugh-Greene-Weg 1
D- 22529 Hamburg
Alemagne eMail: panorama@ndr.de

another one is REPORT MUENCHEN

Bayerischer Rundfunk
REPORT MUENCHEN
Floriansmuehlstrasse 60
D- 80939 Muenchen
Alemagne

ph.: +49 89 38 06 - 52 63 Fax: +49 89 / 38 06 - 76 67
report@br-online.de

and ZDF's investigate magazine:

REPORT MAINZ
Am Fort Gonsenheim 139
D- 55122 Mainz
ph: +49 6131 / 929 - 0 Fax: +49 6131 / 929 - 30 50 e-mail: report@swr.de

another made in Berlin:

Rundfunk Berlin Brandenburg
Redaktion KONTRASTE
Masurenallee 8-14
D- 14057 Berlin
ph: +49 30 3031 2670 Fax.: +49 30 3031 2679
e-mail: kontraste@sfb.de

good luck!

Submitted by u2r2h on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 6:22am.
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Thank You

I plan to submit a formal complaint with the Federal courts with 24 hours.

I have also produced what I feel are compelling photgraphic exhibits that reveal debris evidence, the roles played by the FBI and NTSB in its collection and how much of this material has wound up in the possession of various non-essential parties.

Is there a mainstream media reference or transcript noting Donald Rumsfeld's possession of AA 77 debris?

(I recall a 20/20 or 'Prime Time Live' broadcast citing this info)

The information I seek is equivalent to a footnote. The FBI doesn't seem to have a compelling basis for witholding this info.

Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 9:19am.