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Simon Wiesenthal Center presents 9/11 sites alongside radical Jihadist sites to House Hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet"

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CORRECTION: Bruce Hoffman is a former, not current RAND employee. Text corrected below.

On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, a House Homeland Security Subcommittee had a hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet".* The hearing featured presentations from several groups, including a former employee of the RAND Corporation, and Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention.

Now, we wouldn't want anybody getting the wrong idea here. Here at 911blogger we are opposed to any and all terrorist activities, including STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM. Don't really care who the state is either. It's all bad.

Californians, if Harman is your representative, please set her straight. Washington state, if Reichert is your critter, don't let him absorb this crap with no static.

CSPAN has been more than fair to 9/11 skeptics. Last year they broadcast Alex Jones' American Scholars Symposium, in 2005, they broadcast David Ray Griffin, and they will probably listen to feedback regarding this broadcast.

View the hearing as a video stream here -- the pertinent section begins at the 43:31 mark, but I recommend watching the entire program, because there is so much disinformation in the broadcast itself, it's hard to know where to begin unraveling it.

Homeland Security - Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_...

Please ask the Simon Wiesthenthal Center (Mark Weitzman in particular) to stop conflating terrorist violence with 9/11 truth, and even though he has not extended the courtesy to us, be polite;

mweitzman@swcny.com

* Exact Hearing title: "Using the Web as a Weapon: the Internet as a Tool for Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism"

Remember H.R. 1955

First, the subcommitte in question is the "Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment": http://homeland.house.gov/about/subcommittees.asp?subcommittee=11

These are the same clowns that passed the H.R. 1955, "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terror Bill": http://homeland.house.gov/about/subcommittees.asp?ID=287&SubSection=0&Is...

Add it up folks, they are clearly trying to prosecute 9/11 Truthers as "terrorists".

As a member of AE911Truth, this is pretty scary.

>>As a member of AE911Truth,

>>As a member of AE911Truth, this is pretty scary.

That's what they want is fear. Don't give them that.

Bush did the same thing on the 5th Anniversary and the media did obey out of fear. People started coming out of their shells by the very next anniversary to ask what the heck happened that day. That's how they win is when people get scared and shut up.

Yes - you are right - we must never be intimidated

God bless all the truthers who have had the courage to go public and STAY public.
You all lift my spirits.

absolutely. Non-Violence

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DON'T FALL INTO THE TRAP!!!!

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We shouldn't "over emphasize" anything

as the facts speak quite well for themselves.

You're correct, this is very serious and the only real "trap" we need to avoid is excluding facts for any reason.

The more facts we have, the closer to reality we get. This is a reality based movement, our mission is to confront the myth, expose the lies and avoid speculation (in public).

The truth movement needs to remain true to its goal of getting open and independent investigations into the events of 9/11/01 and bringing the real perpetrators to justice and fully exposing their sponsors.

We have no choice, there is no alternative path forward. This is not a time for "politics" no matter how messy it gets or uncomfortable it makes certain people feel.

There is now a growing body of evidence clearly showing that Israeli elements, including members of the Mossad, were involved. This cannot be denied and should not be "under emphasized" or we risk losing our way to the truth and, ultimately, creating the peaceful, sustainable future all humans desire and deserve.

I think by now it should be clear to most people who have studied the events of 9/11/01 that those ultimately responsible for it will all have three things in common: an insatiable thirst for power, a corrupt soul and no spiritual awareness. The perpetrators will come from many places and speak a variety of languages. Thus, any ethnic, cultural or religious generalizations are simply an irrelevant distraction and a pointless diversion.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, brothers and sisters!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

I AGREE

I agree with you.

But just look at comments here. There is that chance that people will do and say just what Simon Wiesenthal accuses them of.

"There is now a growing body

"There is now a growing body of evidence clearly showing that Israeli elements, including members of the Mossad, were involved"

Why do you stress the involvement of the Mossad while leaving out other foreign intelligence agencies who were clearly involved such as the MI5 as well as the ISI?

Probably because...

MI5, nor ISI were caught "documenting the event". Mossad agents WERE.

Indeed, but we won't be

Indeed, but we won't be attacked endlessly if some of us mistake "British people" for MI5, whereas we will be if we mistake "Jews" for Mossad.

There are many who want us to conflate Jews with all kinds of things.

How would we have mistaken them for Jews?

Did they "look Jewish"? I think the identification was that they were Israeli nationals who got themselves deported back to Israel. I have no idea if they were/are self-identified Jews.

wtcdemolition.com/blog

I'm not talking about that

I'm not talking about that specific event, but the general situation of discussions of Israel and 9/11 and what happens in those and what is pushed on people or mixed with reasonable stuff.

For example, I get emails promoting Bollyn all the time. But in a recent essay of his that is talking about Israel's role in 9/11, he writes

"Zionist Jews established their media empire in the United States in the early 1900s and have been able to control how Americans think for generations."
http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10708

That will be offensive to Jewish people and has nothing really to do with Israel's role on 9/11/01 but everything to do with turning people against Zionist Jews in general. This is the classic mixing of anti-semitic stuff with legitimate questions about the role of Israelis or Mossad.

Okay, fair enough

Bollyn's conflation of Zionism and Jewish identity should be offensive to non-Jews, too. :) But when you phrase it "turning people against Zionist Jews in general" you are also improperly conflating an ideology and a religious/cultural identity. I'm against Zionists but not against Jews.

wtcdemolition.com/blog

TruthNow - If you read and understood my complete post

I think you would see that I was clearly stating that the perpetrators are from many countries and that their ethnicity, "religion" and nationality are irrelevant.

I was specifically responding to a comment that we need to avoid falling into the "Jewish trap" and stating that as long as we adhere to a policy of civil promulgation of confirmed facts we should not have to modify our public outreach approach to placate any one group.

Nine months ago I argued that we should minimize the role of the Mossad and other Israeli elements to avoid this pubic relations ugliness, I no longer feel that is wise, justified or strategically advantageous. In fact, I would argue the opposite now, we need to expose those who are working to stifle the truth and confront them directly whenever and wherever possible.

Now, with all that said, as language describes reality it is critically important. Thus, we should never confuse Jewish people with Zionists just as we should never confuse Christians with neo-cons, conservatives with Republicans or progressives with Democrats. Facts are precise; and clear, accurate language is required when describing events and people.

In answer your specific question, I would include MI5, MI6, Saudi Intelligence and the ISI as foreign intelligence agencies that have been solidly linked to the crimes of 9/11 and/or its cover-up. Many other foreign intelligence services have information that would be useful in exposing the crimes of 9/11, as well, most notably the Russian and Chinese services. Additionally, I'm quite certain that all the European intelligence services have by now concluded that al Qaeda did not perpetrate 9/11.

We need to pursue and promote the truth in as unbiased and civil a manner as possible.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Leftwright, thanks for

Leftwright, thanks for clarifying your point...and I certainly agree with everything you stated above. I just think it's critically important to fairly balance the blame out to ALL parties who were involved in the planning, orchestration, execution, and cover-up of the 9/11 attack. We have counter-intell who are more than 'at the ready' to twist our mistakes out of whack so the unwitting outside will conflate us with anti-semites, etc. This is a movement, like no other, of multi-tasking. Unfortunately it's quite a bit like the highway chase scene in The Matrix: Reloaded. We have multiple obstacles seeking to thwart our objective all at once. Among other things, this is a movement of bobbing and weaving, as well as steering, breaking, and accelerating.

First they came for the "anarchist truthers"...

I'm really wondering what possible basis you have, birdwatcher, for describing this new site as "clearly anarchist" in design. Surely it must come down to color scheme and font -- because the anarchists I know don't describe themselves as "patriotic Americans" and mostly are not for Ron Paul. I think you're using the term carelessly -- but if you're implying that it is "anarchist" in the sense that it promotes violence, then you are making a dangerous and baseless assertion.

This is a time when people need to be especially careful about who amongst us we may marginalize, because if a real threat materializes, those people are going to be the first targets. So maybe there are some lines you are going to draw to distinguish who is your ally and who is not -- fine, but please base them on something more substantial than your dislike of their design choices and the fact that they are selling t-shirts.

wtcdemolition.com/blog

public relations, identity, commercialism

The public identity and vision of the 9-11 truth movement is not a trivial matter. As the founding graphic designer of the national 9-11 truth movement, I will assure you that my concern is rooted in the bigger picture of public relations.

There is a large segment of "visually oriented" busy Americans who form their conclusions based on their quick perception from surfing the look and feel of a website. No matter the fine text at truther.org that states "The truth movement is not a fringe element" (a curious inclusion), elements of the site design work together to give a different impression to website surfers. (visual power is often a blind spot to many intellects who love the written word).

In the near future, after general public perception has been successfully swayed to relegate the 9-11 truth movement to same counterculture stature as anarchists, this will be the time when we are all in REAL trouble. Due to general "public perception" that anarchists are potentially violent, authorities have been able to target anarchists for very aggressive treatment and investigation. (Recall Geraldo Rivero's recent public reference to 9-11 protesters as "a group of anarchists!")

The mixing of credible identities will also be associated with truther.org's strategic marketing decision to use Sex (via provocative models) to sell its own truther.org t-shirts. Details will be addressed in the truther.org website analysis to be published soon.

Jan Hoyer
www.digitalstyledesigns.com
Graphics and Media for Effecting Change

Full text of H.R. 1955

The full text of H.R. 1955 was recently posted as a blog entry on this site:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12445

Disgusting how some Jews who vowed "Never Again" merely

65 years ago regarding the Holocaust seem to be aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it.

It is not helpful to use ethnic identifications of groups

There are aiders and abetters of the perpetrators among all groups, nations, tribes and religions. There are also courageous truth seekers and true patriots among all groups, nations, tribes and religions. It is not helpful to use ethnic identifications of groups - however tempting that may be.
We simply must rise above this temptation - or we will never get out of this morass.

Agreed

Agreed ^^^

But this overall means we are winning the information war... not surprising, since the lies cannot stand in an open information society. However, it means things could get real nasty soon...

Isn't "Never Again" a phrase credited mainly to Jewish people

regarding the Holocaust? Isn't the "Simon Wiesenthal Center" a Jewish organization?

Was it anti-Semitic to suggest that someJewish people who rightly say "never again" regarding the Holocaust should not aid & abet those who perpetrated the 9/11 holocaust?

Was I not just stating some factual common sense here, that you are trying to escalate into anti-Semiticism?

Good Jews need to disavow themselves from Zionist fanatics then.

No more blood for the artificial country/state of Israel, the land of endless, staged wars that feeds our military/industrial complex.

business as usual

The Simon Wiesthenthal Center was also very vocal in their opposition to any mention of the people in the camps who were wearing pink triangles rather than yellow stars. Simon says his people's suffering is sacred. The other people in the camps didn't count.

Whoa

Colombo said: "Disgusting how some Jews who vowed "Never Again" merely

65 years ago regarding the Holocaust seem to be aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it."

Please be specific before we drop a statement like this. What "Jews" are you talking about?

http://www.myspace.com/thesonsofliberty

Maybe some of these "Jews" ?

Yeah, I know that the list includes a couple of Gentiles to ...

* William Kristol,
* Robert Kagan
*Bruce P. Jackson
* Mark Gerson
* Randy Scheunemann
Project staff
* Ellen Bork
* Gary Schmitt
* Thomas Donnelly
* Reuel Marc Gerecht
* Timothy Lehmann
* Michael Goldfarb
Former directors and staff :
* Daniel McKivergan
Signatories to Statement of Principles :
* Elliott Abrams
* Gary Bauer
* William J. Bennett
* John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
* Richard B. Cheney
* Eliot A. Cohen
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Steve Forbes
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Fred C. Ikle
* Donald Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
* Norman Podhoretz
* J. Danforth Quayle
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Henry S. Rowen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Vin Weber
* George Weigel
* Paul Wolfowitz
Signatories or contributors to other significant letters or reports
* Elliott Abrams
* Kenneth Adelman
* Richard V. Allen
* Richard L. Armitage
* Gary Bauer
* Jeffrey Bell
* William J. Bennett
* Jeffrey Bergner
* John R. Bolton
* Ellen Bork
* Rudy Boschwitz
* Linda Chavez
* Eliot Cohen
* Seth Cropsey
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Thomas Donnelly
* Nicholas Eberstadt,
* Hillel Fradkin
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Jeffrey Gedmin
* Reuel Marc Gerecht
* Charles Hill
* Bruce P. Jackson
* Eli S. Jacobs
* Michael Joyce
* Donald Kagan
* Robert Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* Jeane Kirkpatrick
* Charles Krauthammer
* William Kristol
* John Lehman
* I. Lewis Libby
* Tod Lindberg
* Rich Lowry
* Clifford May
* Joshua Muravchik
* Michael O'Hanlon
* Martin Peretz
* Richard Perle
* Daniel Pipes
* Norman Podhoretz
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Randy Scheunemann
* Gary Schmitt
* William Schneider, Jr.
* Richard H. Shultz
* Henry Sokolski
* Stephen J. Solarz
* Vin Weber
* Leon Wieseltier
* Marshall Wittmann
* Paul Wolfowitz
* R. James Woolsey
* Dov Zakheim
* Robert B. Zoellick

I take it that you have done sufficient research on your own to know why those persons are relevant to 9-11 ...
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other friends

the Chertoffs, Wurmsers, P. Zelikow, David Horrowitz, Alan Dershowitz, Hellerstein, Dan Senor, The Fleishers, The Eisenbergs, The Atzmons, Lowry, Rahm Emmanuel....etc, etc.

True American patriots and lovers of justice - jew, gentile, or muslim - need to rise up! It is time.

Dancing Israeli Mossad agents, I mean "visiting art sudents"

celebrating as people died in the towers.

Lucky Larry "pull-it" Silverstein & his pal Eliot Spitzer.

Video Clip about "Dancing Israelis"...

I think the use of the term "Jew" is totally non-constructive, just as when the label "Muslim" and "Christian" is used to sterotype "persons" involved in the crimes of 9/11 or in any other derogatory statement, there are good and bad in ALL religions and non-religious groups too.

Also I can't understand how people use the term "Jew" as an ethnicity, it's not, it's a religion, the current population of Israel is made up mostly by European, Middle Eastern, Russian and Southern Asian immigrants.

The last point is, if it was a covert israeli operation... WHY would they be dancing on top of a van for all to see ? This is more smoke and mirrors in the deception... Now if you're talking about the Zionist agenda, actively pursued since the early 1900's (probably much longer than that if you call them imperialists), you are probably a lot closer to the truth.

To me they are murdering criminals and will always be...

Anyway, below is the video about the "Five Dancing Israelis"


Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

FOX Spy Ring Coverage : http://100777.com/usa/israeli_spyring

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Best wishes