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Tarpley's Rx for US 9/11 Truth Movement: Diversity and Civility in Discussion, Unity in Action

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Tarpley: Since we have the 5th anniversary I’d like to make a few comments of my own about the state of the movement in the US.
We’ve got a round table here going of the leading experts in Central Europe.
You might think to yourself it might not be possible to assemble the leading experts in the United States around the same table because of the unfortunate atmosphere that has broken out in our movement….
I wanted to propose from my point of view the following formula for how we can cooperate, because I think this is obviously what we need to do. Don’t be scandalized by the word cooperation.
We have to recognize that on the one side there is a sphere of theoretical discussion. In this any serious scientific hypothesis, historical, philosophical hypothesis can be discussed, should not be banned, should not be censored.
We don’t want people coming talking about men from Mars or the intervention of the Holy Ghost or the equivalents in other religions, but a theoretical discussion should always go on. At the same time though, we also have now a mass organizing dimension which simply was not there in past years, when people thought that the 9/11 movement amounted to a series of list serves…
In our movement there has to be a sphere of theoretical discussion, which has to be done in a business-like and respectful manner, without slander, without defamation, without ad hominem attacks on every page.
And then in addition to that we’ve got the sphere of mass organizing. Certain tasks simply have to be done, and in order to do them you’ve got to join with other people, who may not have exactly your views on this or that theoretical question.
And if you make the theoretical question a reason not to join in, in united front cooperation, then your motives are perhaps not what you might think they are.
We’ve got to organize websites, we’ve got to organize large conferences, we’ve got to support 9/11 truth candidates, like Bob Bowman, like Carol Brouillet, and Craig Hill in Vermont.
We’ve got to go for the impeachment of Bush-Cheney with the 9/11 crimes as the first item on the agenda. We’ve got to carry out drill monitoring, we’ve got to expose, denounce and shut down those weapons of mass destruction drills that threaten to go live. We’ve also got to think about what to do if the war is widened, if there is an attempt to call off the elections, to impose some kind of dictator-ship. We’ve got to begin bringing the American people to the point that we saw in Spain in March 2005, when that legendary general strike shut down the country and forced the neo-fascist Aznar to back down from his plan for a dictatorship.
So in other words, we have a political movement.
Now we have a movement where one guy says, I see a dot. The next guy says, No dot. I see a bulge, or a pod. No bulge or pod, says the other side. One says, I see planes. The other side says, I see no plane. One guy says, It’s an atomic bomb. No, a hydrogen bomb, says the next. These are of course important questions. But again, the mystery novel is a whodunit, not how-done-it, and the question of the technical means used has to take second place to the overarching political question:
Who did it? Who carried this out? And there of course, the touchstone, the basis of the movement, now I think it’s fair to say, 5 years into the discussion, is MIHOP, made it happen on purpose. That the US government or parts thereof as we wish to define it – and this can be done in many ways – executed, brought out and conducted these actions, in my view through drills, maneuvers, exercises and so forth.
This is the political basis of cooperation, and once we have the political basis, the technical questions can also be handled, but within that context of broad cooperation.
Let me ask Gerhard Wisnewski: You and I were together in Berlin, with 12 or 13 people from the German movement, and it was a very business-like discussion basically among friends, and at the end, this was the foundation of Das Netzwerk, the German 9/11 network, including a new website, and including what warmed my heart in particular, a strong endorsement of the idea of the independent international truth commission, which is obviously one of the main mass-organizing tasks that we have – an Independent International Truth Commission modeled on the Russell-Sartre tribunal, that could provide a forum not only to amplify the work of the research community that we represent, but also to have an airing, an impartial airing, of theoretical issues inside the movement. Maybe you could say something about that meeting in Berlin, a little bit of who was there, and what came out of it.
Gerhard Wisnewski: Yes, thank you Webster. We had about 13 people here from Germany: the leading people of the German 9/11 movement, including Andreas von Bülow, Matthias Broeckers, and other people who are well-known here in Germany. We tried to establish a network, a research network about 9/11, because before we were single people, individuals who wrote their books, articles, their websites, and now we try to come together in this network. I’m very sad to hear these things about the US, and these detailed discussions, this detail war on several issues. I think it’s impossible that two people are 100% of the same opinion on what happened on 9/11. There is so much information and details, and I think we should not start a war on these details because this would be exactly the thing the opposite side wants us to do now, and I totally agree with Webster that this is the second step, the technical aspects and details, and first of all, we have to do a lot of research together: Who did, and who performed this operation on 9/11? And I would be very happy if the American movement would come back also to this method of work.
Tarpley: One other person I’ve talked to in Europe about this, Simon Aronowitz in London, was telling me about a week ago: You have shop talk, you have a research discussion, which is your shop talk. But you’ve also got things like stopping the Third World War, getting the truth out to the largest possible number of people, and somehow you’ve got to make these things coexist.

Webster Tarpley broadcasting with 9/11 Truth authors Gerhard Wisnewski and Andreas von Buelow (Germany) and Thomas Meyer (Switzerland), on his World Crisis Radio Show on RBN Live on Sept. 9, 2006, from Kandern-Holzen, Germany, near the point where France, Germany, and Switzerland come together.

Quoted in 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, 4th ed. pp. 452-453

Sorry you guys have the

Sorry you guys have the wrong group - the 9/11 Movement won't be hijacked by LaRouchie's - take that shit back to Vermont or where ever.

kthxbai
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Wow, imgstacke, that was really civil and unifying.

The only thing I can say is, I completely agree with what Webster Tarpley says above, and I emphatically disagree with you.

And I'm not a "LaRouchie."

Sorry - I'm not a Big Tent

Sorry - I'm not a Big Tent kinda guy... To each his own.
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However...

I did agree with your "Weekend at Osama's" send-up in Joe's blog and voted it up.

Thanks for the laugh.

I saw it posted a while back

I saw it posted a while back - laughter is the best weapon against fear
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Unite, we have nothing to lose but infights- and infiltraitors

Last night I heard another speaker on the Cooper Union webcast, Dr. William Pepper, a lawyer who was close to Martin Luther King. Pepper said two very interesting things:

1. A movement like 9/11 Truth, as it becomes a threat to the establishment, is going to be massively targeted for infiltration.
2. One aim of the provocateurs is to make it impossible to join up with other progressive forces in a broad front.

Pepper says this is why Martin Luther King was assassinated. MLK was trying to forge a united front of the civil rights movement, peace movement, labor and other progressives. That would of course create a unified majority against the powers that be, and that is what they will try to stop at all costs.

Webster Tarpley has also been calling for this united front. Maybe he is lucky he hasn't been able to do it, so he hasn't been assassinated physically yet, but a campaign of character assassination has now begun in earnest -especially since his July 4th "Philadelphia Platform - fusing 9/11 Truth with Anti-War activism" (http://www.911blogger.com/node/9843)

In that declaration, approved by delegates representing a broad array of groups, but essentially written by Tarpley, we read,

"In her farewell message, Cindy Sheehan called on the peace movement to organize independently of the bankrupt two-party system. She also supported a new inquiry into 9/11. The peace movement needs a new strategy… we have taken Cindy Sheehan’s call seriously. We appeal to leftists, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, independents… The anti-war, impeachment, anti-globalization, labor, civil rights, veterans, anti-tax, civil liberties, honest election, and 9/11 truth movements... We call for a united front of all organizations and persons of good will based on the following:
1. Impeach, remove, and indict Bush-Cheney and their henchmen (Gonzalez, Chertoff, and Rove) as an urgent measure to avoid wider wars, including illegal NSA wiretaps, the lies and war crimes of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the misprision of treason around 9/11…."

Shall we follow the MLK and Tarpley dream of a United Front? Let's overcome the divisions not only within our own ranks, but keep trying to join ranks with other progressives.

Yet Dr. Wm. Pepper is right on both points. We are being infiltrated and targeted. You need look no further than this very blog entry. It contains a prescription we badly need, formulated in excellent terms. Why has it got overwhelmingly negative votes? 2.8 positive out of 15. Do you think rank-and-file 9/11 Truthers are responsible for this? Judging by the comments, no. Is another factor at work… Are they trying to bury the Rx we need? Will this comment here be buried too, like my earlier ones on Kennebunkport? When you read the Philadelphia Platform here on 911blogger, notice how it was defaced in the comments section? This is our elephant in the living room.

It's being said that Tarpley has not followed his own advice above. Of course, his message a year ago was about physical evidence disputes between well-meaning factions, while the recent uproar was more in the nature of gratuitous direct personal attacks. But anyway, if we always practiced what we preach, we'd all be saints and sages, and earth would be heaven. If I'd been so unfairly and maliciously attacked as he was over Kennebunkport, I would probably have reacted pretty badly.

If you think Tarpley made a mistake in assailing his critics, then take it as a warning of what they can do to us. Criticize, provoke, get a reaction. Then criticize that and provoke some more. That's one technique that's used.

The posting below labeled "Tarpley the hypocrite," which cites his reaction, is from truthaction.org, the very outfit he points to as the slander mill, and which does seem to be the key source of the "Kennebunkport Hoax" story. So maybe it's a bit hypocritical of them not to mention that, as if they were some kind of nonpartisans - because they have used exactly the technique above. Provoke a guy, get him to react, then post that reaction, to discredit him further.

I believe it was Tarpley who said, anytime you call somebody Cointelpro, you've lost. I don't know why he would break his own rule. Was he that badly provoked, or did he think it's time to speak out about infiltration, as Paul Watson of Infowars did not long ago about the problems on Wikipedia, or Dr. Wm. Pepper predicted yesterday from experience in the civil rights movement?

How can we detect and defeat infiltration? We need to work on this. Part of it is to not blindly follow criticism of real activists posted by people writing under cover names, for a start. You can help too - don't let valuable posts be buried on 9/11 blogger, log in and use your "up arrow" vote to protect free speech on our own turf.

NY 911 Truth is to be commended for bringing a man of Pepper's calibre to their 9/11 event, very much in the united front spirit. According to Wikipedia: "Dr William Pepper was the attorney for James Earl Ray, the supposed killer of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He believes that Ray was framed by the federal government, and that King was killed by a conspiracy that involved the FBI, the CIA, the military, the Memphis police, and organized crime figures from New Orleans and Memphis. The evidence was unimpeachable. Pepper, a friend of King in the last year of his life, represented James Earl Ray, attempting to get him the trial that he never had. Pepper then represented the King family in a wrongful death civil trial King family vs. Loyd Jowers and other unknown co-conspirators. During a trial that lasted four weeks he produced over seventy witnesses. The jury took less than an hour to find in favour of the King family."

Yes, there are assassins out there. Snipers even. You can even see people who snipe about being called snipers... please don't play this destructive game, if your heart is with 9/11 truth and justice.

When Cindy's signature appeared on the Kennebunkport Warning, did the alarm go off in Cointelpro Central? "Threat of united opposition - Action required." Pressure was brought to bear on Cindy, Tarpley was baited - and here we are - a hoped-for united front broken into a bickering rabble again.

Still flogging this dead horse, are you?

Must say I have to agree with him here:

"I believe it was Tarpley who said, anytime you call somebody Cointelpro, you've lost. "

And he couldn't have demonstrated this better than here:

WEBSTER TARPLEY IDENTIFIES THE SHILLS INFESTING 9/11 TRUTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeiMj7lqqRQ

Well, I think that covers it, squire, don't you?

I don't know why he would break his own rule.

If you think really hard, sunbeam, you'll come up with the right answer.;-)

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No free speech here, just mob rule by COINTEL burial squads?

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Makes you wonder if what Tarpley said about shills might be true

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Let us know when he's apologized to Cindy Sheehan...

Dahlia, and Ann Wright. Then let us know when he's apologized to Arabesque, Cosmos, Micheal, Jon, and yours truely.

Then and only then, will we consider any calls for "unity".

Get snappy--there's a good lad.

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Exactly you guys started it with groundless attacks on Webster!

You and Arabesque and the like started the rabid attacks out of the blue on Tarpley at truthaction.org and here.
You and your gang bury all my major posts on this website and act generally like trolls.
Let's see you apologize, and I will ask Tarpley if he can
But no, you are full speed ahead on your warpath.
So it's no wonder if he thinks you might be shills.

They say we are infiltrated. Somebody must be it. Why not you?

Dr. Wm Pepper says we are going to be massively infiltrated.
So who are all these agents among us?
By their fruits ye shall know them.
You guys started this scandal, and you are obviously enjoying the hell out of it.
So why shouldn't you be suspected of being one those infiltraitors among us?

You need to pay attention, luv....

The person who started this scandal was the same person who emailed reprehensor of 9/11Blogger the text version of the Kennebunkport Warning on or around 6:00am EDT, Monday, August 27th.

You know, the one with names typed on it who were not signatories, but were meant to be taken as signatories.

Now who was the person who emailed reprehesnsor, sunshine?

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That's why they were typed, not written in, Duh!

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You what? Agreement by phone?

At 6:00am, Monday morning after it was supposed to be signed already that weekend?

We were meant to think those were SIGNATURES, luv. And I thought they were typed because they hadn't had a chance to scan them yet. That's what everyone else reasonably assumed.

Oh, and you didn't answer my question, guv--who started all this 6:00am, Monday the 27th of August?
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Your gang started malicious attacks promptly on the 27th a.m.

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Wrong

First suspicions of hoax reported Wednsday morning, August 29th, by Joan Jones on or around 9:43am:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2123&start=0&postdays=0&pos...

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If they signed & changed their mind, they need to apologize.

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Good question this:

"Why Tarpley, when he wasn't even in Kennebunkport where it happened?"

Guess he shouldn't have given the impression he was in Kennebunkport or signed the document by typing his name on the text document he emailed to reprehensor(8th down of the "signatories"):

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10905

OOPS!

Now, about that apology....

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"1. A movement like 9/11

"1. A movement like 9/11 Truth, as it becomes a threat to the establishment, is going to be massively targeted for infiltration.
2. One aim of the provocateurs is to make it impossible to join up with other progressive forces in a broad front.

Pepper says this is why Martin Luther King was assassinated. MLK was trying to forge a united front of the civil rights movement, peace movement, labor and other progressives. That would of course create a unified majority against the powers that be, and that is what they will try to stop at all costs. "

Of course many of us think this. And many of us think this was exactly the aim of the Kennebunkport Hoax -- to poison any potential alliance between 9/11 Truth and the anti-war movement. If this was really a misunderstanding, there would have been a graceful way to resolve it, by removing the names of those who denied signing it and honoring the signatures of those who did sign it. Instead, we have a shining moment in the history of 9/11 truth in which one of our "elder statesmen" resorts to calling potential allies "wretched individuals" and members of his own movement "merchants of pus." This is the poison.

Please give up with the whole "these are not real activists" shtick. Too many of us actually know these people to fall for that crap. Cosmos and I sat next to each other in the center of the front row for Tarpley's presentation at the Arizona conference and now Tarpley accuses him of being a Chechen commando? I think they make medications for this sort of thing.

OK, but why was Tarpley targeted for character assassination?

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No, it isn't obvious it's supposed to be a joke....

..after you've called someone a shill because thye expect responsible adult behavior out of him. It might be a joke AFTER he apologizes for calling us, shills, agents and poison pens, but not BEFORE.

So I hear there are loads of LaRouche tables set up at the 9/11 anniversary event in NY right now--what's up with that?
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Leonard here is not entirely wrong

nor are the rest of you entirely correct, not to mention IF there is some nefarious disinfo critters at work here I would like to remind ALL of you that you are doing EXACTLY what they want you to do which means you have let them win & take control.

I think everyone just needs to STFU about Tarpley and move on.

You are entitled to your opinion.

How coming here and trolling with non-facts that are easily refuted with links is a sign of them "winning", I don't know. It's obvious to me that's a sign they are LOSING, and have lost, hence the desparate gambit.

But, whatever.
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actually every time you open your face

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No, everytime you post a link and shut them up...

...observe the silence--they do not win.

On the contrary, if you don't post a fact when you have it--they WILL link back to that as "proof" you couldn't respond.

I have taken to heart someone elses headsup(not yours) to keep responses brief and factual. That heads up is based on information and stratedgy--not some blanket "never respond to anything ever" bollocks.

Holding people accountable for trying to fuck up our relationship with the anti-war movement IS a valid issue. Thank you very much.
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you obviously have your undies wadded up because you were named

by Tarpley which is understandable, however I have never said to "never respond to anything ever" I said to correct the original blog with factual info as soon as possible and apologize for the confusion.
Continuously going on & on about something like this is counterproductive and is exactly what disinfo freaks are paid to accomplish.
In-fighting within a movement based on faulty information.

When you find out in fact that it is disinfo just say we caught you again your tactics are not going to work here and move on.

Who's going on and on now?

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DOUBLE POST

ignore

Tarring Tarpley for "attacking" PEACE ACTIVISTS!

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